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Virex Staz
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.18 11:18:00 -
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I'm an Eve player and Dust is the first console multiplayer FPS I've ever played. I therefore suck, really, really badly.
I think I managed to get a kill once, and I've had a couple of assists, but I've died hundreds of times. I can empty entire magazines at someone then they'll casually turn round and kill me with one shot. I have virtually no clue what is going on around me. Whichever team I'm on always seems to lose, and I'm worried its my fault.
What are the most important things I need to be doing to improve my game to just "bad"?
Please include all the really obvious stuff, by the way, as it probably isn't obvious to me, and include hardware setup, pre-fight prep and combat stuff. Also, any attempt to rank the advice in terms of how much it will improve my game ("do this first") will be appreciated.
Or, if there is a page/post somewhere that has all this already, just link it and call me a moron. |
Darkz azurr
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2012.08.18 11:24:00 -
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welcome to ps3 fps 
first thing i would do is put your sensitivity to something that you feel you can comfortably control, make a new fitting with a heavy militia suit, and put on a militia assault rifle, put on some militia armor plates and militia shield extenders, to give you more survivability. when on the battlefield try to stay close to other team members and support them for now, until your better, if there semi close try firing from the hip. but do try to stay with team mates, as you can help them and they can help you. and if you see me, run ...just run  |
lordpondus
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Posted - 2012.08.18 11:24:00 -
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When the support for keyboard and mouse , I switch from DS3 controller. Then you have fitting. And use your skillpoint wisely. I am not good myself, try to play defensive, play a little coward , attack after FI is engaged of a other player, its not ideal but in the first rounds its ok. And if you see a shootout trow som grenades , friendly fire is off I think. I have also jumped in some of the ground batteries and shooting with that.
I am not good myself, but I plan to be :) |
lordpondus
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Posted - 2012.08.18 11:25:00 -
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If you see me dont run,,,, you will get a free kill :) |
Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming
154
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Posted - 2012.08.18 11:27:00 -
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Try renting CoD for a week and play the Campaign. Dunno might help. |
Jak Teston
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2012.08.18 11:28:00 -
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Here are my suggestions in the order they came to my head:
- Get used to the controls somewhere far away from the action. When I first started playing FPS games on consoles I walked around like a drunk unicyclist on a rollercoaster. Make sure you can focus on static objects reliably while walking around them at various distances.
- Stay back for the time being before you get the hang of positioning. Positioning is extremely important in FPS games. Make sure you can always get to cover easily while getting a view on people who can't get to cover easily. That way you can retreat when your situation worsens but they can't when you gain the upper hand. Even if they out-class you can fall-back and try to find an enemy that you can out-class. |
Zcorpion Delireuz
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Posted - 2012.08.18 11:32:00 -
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Well alot comes from practice, but i can say one off the obvious things and that is try and stick to your squad mates as much as possible. Run for objectives defend/attack, dont think so much about the dying aspect as the thought off it can from my experience actually make you die more. Wether your defending or attacking you, need thoose objectives. Dont let anyone call you a camper for defending and objective, its an important job.
And for aiming, i can imagine it being tricky when its your first console fps but sadly there isnt a whole lot off tips besides practice there. Ambush, decive your enemies, if you cant hit them headson flank them, thier not dead yet? Find another flank and hit them again. When u find a target you should be looking for an escape route before anything alse, its a lifesafer to enter a encounter prepared. Shoot at your enemy, and if it turns out bad follow your escape route then hit him again when he most likely follows you into your trap. And if he doesnt, no worries your alive and can hit him from another direction.
This is just some on top off my head, but theres a whole lot more than just aiming and gunning a person down. Practice and time is worth more than any tip you can get off the internet really. Not much help but feel free to ask more specific questions, good luck dust bunny!! |
Bwooticus
10
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Posted - 2012.08.18 11:32:00 -
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If your playing cautious and defensive in the militia heavy suit you should install the militia armor repairer. That way when you "run" you have a chance of getting your armor back and surviving longer. |
Atomic TBag
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.18 11:36:00 -
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I'm a veteran of fps. Probably going on 15+ years. I too have had difficulty. The game is still in development but there are a couple things you can try.
First, you say you are experienced with Eve? Then you know how to fit a dropsuit already. This is good. Treat it like you do when fitting a ship in Eve. Don't overload it. Second, I suggest you train shield and energy and a weapon or 2. I would suggest sniping. The distance may help you. Third, don't spawn in the middle of battle. Choose to strategically be on the outside of it. Stay with others too. It will take time but soon you'll find you can help your team. Fourth, learn to watch your shield and armor damage. Retreat when damaged. Armor repair really helps along with shield boosters.
I usually snipe and drop spawn points or ammo. Keep in mind the game is not fully balanced yet. It is still beta. Good luck. |
lordpondus
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Posted - 2012.08.18 11:38:00 -
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Thanks folks for the tip, I also learn things here. |
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Laz Ulian Sol
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
187
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Posted - 2012.08.18 11:58:00 -
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First things first, let's go over basics.
1. Experimentation
It's somewhat straightforward but will take a long while to really grasp. Familiarize yourself with what kind of weapons are out there. You've got these long descriptions and stat pages at your disposal so please look at just a few of the basic categories. I'm not saying memorize every single thing just looking over the available weapon types will give you an idea of what to expect. The next big step is to look around you and take note of things, familiarize yourself with the feel of the environment and what you can and cannot walk through. Before you try to get into fights you need to know the lay of the land and the equipment you'll be seeing.
Now, here is where the major tenants of experimentation come into play. You'll need to learn what works to your advantage in situations. At first you'll have no clue, which isn't a bad thing at all, you need to try the obvious things first and learn why they don't work out for you. If you charge straight at an enemy what happens? If you try and stay far away from people to pick them off from a distance, does it work out better? Common sense and logical interpretation will be your guides. If something just doesn't work no matter how much effort you put into it try something new, you can always come back to it later.
2. Learning By Example
Now, experimentation is not the only means to your learning. A major point of things is to watch your team mates and enemies. They are going to get kills and it's always good to get a feel for what the group is doing. Often you're going to find that you learn the most from your enemies than you do from the team. This is due exclusively to the fact you're watching how your opponent kills you. When you die, take note of their weapon, and where they shot you from. What worked for them that made you fail? It's not at all about number of shots, it's about how you take them; or, I should say, how it can be taken since you might ultimately be doing things wrong yourself. Always keep your eyes open and apply your observations to your experimentation. You'll probably discover 99 more ways to invent the wheel it's up to you to try the ones that work best for you.
3. Situational Awareness
This is the logical upgrade from the first two steps. After you've learned enough you will begin to predict how the battle is evolving. From weapon shapes and rates of fire you'll know what kind of weapon the enemy is using, you'll know how far away you need to be to limit their accuracy and efficiency. You can take a quick glance at a dropsuit and know if it's a scout, assault, logistic, or heavy. You'll know the kind of armor you're up against and you'll know the kind of effort involved to take them down. All of these things you will know come from experimentation and learning by example. Having a quick understanding of a situation will mean the difference between winning and losing.
4. Know Yourself
No matter how much you improve there will be people who are better than you...at something. You'll never become a demigod so don't try to be one. Focus on your goals and remember it's a game, you should be having fun. If your goal is to wipe the floor with the enemy team then give it your best effort, it won't always happen. Never settle, always strive for improvement and you'll go far.
5. Corporations
The biggest step to learning is camaraderie. When you're working together as a team you can overcome individual threats in much easier ways. You can share the tactics and gameplay that works to not only improve individually but as a whole. This is essentially an expansion on learning by example, yet it's more than that. That extra something is the support of a team, of a friend, of a brother/sister in arms. Of course they say you can never fully trust anyone in New Eden; but at least they aren't shooting you in the back...yet.
6. Don't Stop Learning
I reiterate, don't stop learning. There is always something new to learn. |
Sees-Too-Much
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Posted - 2012.08.18 12:51:00 -
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I also suck at FPSes so I quickly gave up on ever being any good and started training for dropships. I was getting decent at it before the dropship physics upgrade, and I'm sure with some practice I can do it again. |
Cricix D
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.08.18 12:52:00 -
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Is this your first time using a Dual Shock 3 controller?
If so it will take about two weeks to become accustomed to it.
I feel that it takes about a month of regular playing to become a decent FPS player (more kills than deaths).
So if you are new to everything it might take almost two months to become good. Also, Laz Ulian Sol tips are excellent as well. I can not stress situational awareness enough. It's what takes you from a good player to a great player. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.08.18 12:58:00 -
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Bring a repair tool. Stick with other players.
Keep them alive, and they will love you for it.
Also, it's REALLY easy to aim with Swarm Launchers, and you can get a Militia one right off the bat. Try those too (preferably paired with Militia SMG). Swarm + SMG with a purely Militia fit means you can AFFORD to die horribly and repeatedly - you don't have to pay to replace your militia gear every time, so you can just suicide bomb yourself while learning the basics. Stick to Militia gear while you're learning how the game works. Don't worry about winning, losing, K/D, and all that other stuff - at least not until you have the basics down. When you start figuring it all out, you'll see those stats improving on their own.
The Swarm Launcher is almost entirely intended for anti-vehicle use - it locks on, so you can pretty easily hit vehicles just by holding the button down while getting the right general direction. Let go when you have the lock-on prompt, and your missiles fire. Even the Militia version does enough damage against most vehicles that the impact will be noticeable. It won't outright kill most things (cheap Dropships and LAVs being the exception), but you can force them to hold hold position, and sometimes even retreat from you. If you're not alone, then you're going to be backing up players and hopefully drawing enemy fire first - since your teammates usually have better gear or more high-level skills than you.
If you're taking that brakceted advice to use the SMG, you need to remember to ONLY use it in close quarters - it's NOT going to hit targets at any kind of range, don't bother wasting your ammo until you're close, and when you ARE close, just spray and pray. You may not get the kill - you're using bottom-tier gear on a bottom-tier character, so if the other guy has ranked up a few things, he'll be tough to kill, but you'll definitely be able to rip into him a fair amount before you go down. And if you luck into another new person, you'll have a decent chance of getting the kill. Also, if you're staying near teammates, every bit of damage you can deal means less of a threat to your friends. Hurt the enemy, and it's that much easier for another teammate nearby to finish the job.
Wherever possible - at first it will be rare - approach enemies from behind. Get into positions where they won't see you coming. Get as close as you can manage before opening fire, then TEAR THEM APART. Even Militia gear hurts when they get the drop on you - as I said before, Militia gear doesn't always hurt much (although with the right skills it's not too bad), but it can be the difference between a kill for your teammate and both you and him going down - and sometimes someone else will get the kill before you die. You don't have to think of every encounter as 1 vs. 1. |
Max Tyrrell
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
47
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Posted - 2012.08.18 13:02:00 -
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Use cover, shoot, if you get hit go behind cover and recharge shields. Rinse and repeat, it works well, specially with team mates around you.I agree with the heavy drop suit and assault rifle too. Currently at above 2.0 ratio.
Emphasis on using cover. A merc out in the middle of nowhere is a soon to be dead merc, oh and flank if you are being aggressive. Never go full frontal, it didn't work in world war 1 and it does not work in dust. Go around the back and shoot them in the back. |
Demonic Chaos
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.08.18 13:11:00 -
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I'm not that good also but if you have the merc pack use that smg instead of militia gets more shots but otherwise about the same also train up weaponry smg and your tanking skills asap the more armor/shields/recharge you have the longer you can last and the more damage you can do the better also sticking with teammates is helpfull can also hack objectives and jump into turrets gives a lot more damage and can survive longer also taking shots at enemys with say a large missile ibstallation from a distance only need some vehicle kills or a few lucky shots to get decent sp also if you can jump into a hav with a decent driver can get a lot of sp same thing as a turret just moving shoot at every enemy you see and if anyone in vehicle gets kill all get sp |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
416
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Posted - 2012.08.18 13:33:00 -
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if you're not shooting, reload. even if you still have half the magazine left. start every fight with a full magazine.
don't crouch. for some reason every newbie fps player i've ever known has tried to spend the whole game crouching.. like, for stealth or a stable firing platform or whatever the **** is going on in their heads... all it does is slow you down and put your head at a convenient shooting height. there are exceptions of course, but yah... don't crouch.
shamelessly follow teammates. shoot what they shoot. combine your damage. anybody who bitches about stealing their kills, you respond with "well how do you know i didn't just save your life?" some of the time you might actually save his life.
of course there are some teammates you simply cannot follow, like snipers. unless you have a sniper rifle to, you are probably useless shooting from where they shoot. plus lets just be honest, most snipers are useless in their own right. the same goes for "run people over with an LAV guy" you can spot "run people over with an LAV guy" because he will be ignoring all objectives and closed off areas, endlessly patrolling the roads, looking for someone to run over in his LAV. this is not the teammate you want to be shadowing.
if all else fails, stay near an objective. any objective. even if there's not a lot of action there at the moment. in a game with multiple objectives, most players have a tendency to just run after anything they don't own. but you usually don't need EVERY objective to win. it's better to defend 2 full time, than lose 2 because you completely abandoned them to take the 3rd.
carry gear. nano hives, repair kits, drop uplinks, nanite injectors, whatever. so long as you use them.
but heads up: i would actually consider the injector more of an advanced logi tool. cuz think of it this way.. that guy has to be dead for you to revive him. so somebody had to have killed him... so you have to be able to finish that guy who killed him off before you can revive him.
nanite injectors are awesome, and can save teammates a lot of money, but mindlessly chasing revives without the ability to clear the area is a great way to get you killed and your teammate RE-killed. |
NEGA LEAVESEY
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.08.18 14:54:00 -
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Kleanur Guy wrote:Try renting CoD for a week and play the Campaign. Dunno might help.
Bad idea IMO. Will promote bad habits as the bots are tards - Its a learning curve my friend, no way around that. No great FPS'er myself but as you grow to learn the maps and nuances of the game you will get better. Keep at it. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED
TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.08.18 15:36:00 -
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omg i just wrote you a page long of awesome advice and this stupid website trashed it jumping up and down with that stupid saved draft crap...
just stay with it you'll get better...
garret covered alot of good points.. i cant believe how stupid this forum format is with its saved draft thing. absolute trash drive someone insane with that saved draft bs |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.08.18 15:49:00 -
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NEGA LEAVESEY wrote:Kleanur Guy wrote:Try renting CoD for a week and play the Campaign. Dunno might help. Bad idea IMO. Will promote bad habits as the bots are tards - Its a learning curve my friend, no way around that. No great FPS'er myself but as you grow to learn the maps and nuances of the game you will get better. Keep at it.
To get a handle on the basics of control, grabbing any cheap FPS game you can get hold of would be a good idea. They almost all use left stick for movement and right stick to aim, and mostly use L1 for aim and L2 for shooting on PS3, so as long as you can work on that in a comfortable, easy environment, it will help when you go into playing an online game like DUST.
CoD, Resistance, Brink (yes, even Brink), etc. Just pick up something you can either rent or buy REALLY cheap, give it a bit of a run so you can build up those absolute basic skills without feeling bad for hurting your teammates' chances.
A lot of us won't care, and particularly since it's only the beta right now, but if you feel awkward about it, that's a good way to avoid the problem. |
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Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
416
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Posted - 2012.08.18 15:56:00 -
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yah don't try to memorize how to kill npc's in CoD, just do it until you get over the stupid fingers |
Raynor Ragna
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Posted - 2012.08.18 16:09:00 -
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Find a teammate and stick with him. Shoot what he shoots. If theres a GIANT crowd of teammates, go with them. Those forces are nearly unstoppable. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED
TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.08.18 16:24:00 -
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Cricix D wrote:Is this your first time using a Dual Shock 3 controller?
If so it will take about two weeks to become accustomed to it.
I feel that it takes about a month of regular playing to become a decent FPS player (more kills than deaths).
So if you are new to everything it might take almost two months to become good. Also, Laz Ulian Sol tips are excellent as well. I can not stress situational awareness enough. It's what takes you from a good player to a great player.
i agree and said basically the same things but my post got trashed by save draft..
another tip is if someone gets the drop on you don't fight them, run away and take cover then go back for them. you will learn how FPS players think after some time being killed by them and know that unless they are opposed they are going to hunt you down so you can't run forever, you run until you gain the tactical advantage by zipping in and out through cover then you suddenly do a 180 and charge them when they least expect it preferably with fully recharged shields on your suit
if someone gets the drop on you you also run back and into a pack of other players where the guy is a fool if he tries to chase you through them. it's almost like a tag team wrestiling match, you break cover, charge out into the fray, spray someone down, and when you must reload you run back into the pack of friendlies until your done reloading then you rinse/repeat.. alot of deaths happen while your reloading and an expierience player well let you run out of ammo before making his own attack.
there is a whole lot of psycology involved that you will pick up over time, and then you use this knowledge to your advantage by faking out the enemy and setting him up.
yea and like he said situational awareness plays a huge roll, you constantly have to check the radar and see how your gonna plan your attack.. you will get faster and faster at planning your next move with practice.. the key is to flank people. only the best go constantly head on. because if you flank someone, now you have the drop on them giving you a huge advantage if you land your first few shots..
in FPS you dont just run around without a plan, every move you make should be for a reason unless it's chaotic and an intense gunfight moment and your just trying to break contact, but every time you make a move it should have a plan, like I'm going to move to building A hide behind build B before taking cover behind rock C. you planning will take less and less time with practice and knowledge of the map.
after a while you learn to use jump and strafe to throw off other peoples aim in face off.. |
Virex Staz
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2012.08.18 16:43:00 -
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Thanks to everyone for all the advice and encouragement. |
smartlayer
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.08.18 17:33:00 -
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Yes very nice thread learned a lot too as i'm rather in the same situation than Virex :)
a question is it possible to modify the key bidding as the default one for mouse keyboard are very hard to use |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.08.18 17:35:00 -
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Virex Staz wrote:I'm an Eve player and Dust is the first console multiplayer FPS I've ever played. I therefore suck, really, really badly.
I think I managed to get a kill once, and I've had a couple of assists, but I've died hundreds of times. I can empty entire magazines at someone then they'll casually turn round and kill me with one shot. I have virtually no clue what is going on around me. Whichever team I'm on always seems to lose, and I'm worried its my fault.
What are the most important things I need to be doing to improve my game to just "bad"?
Please include all the really obvious stuff, by the way, as it probably isn't obvious to me, and include hardware setup, pre-fight prep and combat stuff. Also, any attempt to rank the advice in terms of how much it will improve my game ("do this first") will be appreciated.
Or, if there is a page/post somewhere that has all this already, just link it and call me a moron.
No offense but you should stick to eve, higher dusters to do your will. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.08.18 18:07:00 -
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smartlayer wrote:Yes very nice thread learned a lot too as i'm rather in the same situation than Virex :)
a question is it possible to modify the key bidding as the default one for mouse keyboard are very hard to use
At the moment, there's no control remapping for any of the control schemes, but that will be coming SOONGäó |
carl von oppenheimer
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
158
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Posted - 2012.08.18 18:20:00 -
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Dust is not my first FPS by far but it is my first PS3 shooter as well and it took me months of playing to get used to aiming with controller (I was a sniper and still play that role).
Also notice that precision aiming and aiming in CQC with movement are completely different things, just because you're good with the other doesn't mean you're as good with the other one. |
Jimbo Boilstaff
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.08.18 19:06:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:NEGA LEAVESEY wrote:Kleanur Guy wrote:Try renting CoD for a week and play the Campaign. Dunno might help. Bad idea IMO. Will promote bad habits as the bots are tards - Its a learning curve my friend, no way around that. No great FPS'er myself but as you grow to learn the maps and nuances of the game you will get better. Keep at it. To get a handle on the basics of control, grabbing any cheap FPS game you can get hold of would be a good idea. They almost all use left stick for movement and right stick to aim, and mostly use L1 for aim and L2 for shooting on PS3, so as long as you can work on that in a comfortable, easy environment, it will help when you go into playing an online game like DUST. CoD, Resistance, Brink (yes, even Brink), etc. Just pick up something you can either rent or buy REALLY cheap, give it a bit of a run so you can build up those absolute basic skills without feeling bad for hurting your teammates' chances. A lot of us won't care, and particularly since it's only the beta right now, but if you feel awkward about it, that's a good way to avoid the problem.
this is totally right,,, and by far the best way to get up to scratch quick....
Dust is not a great place to learn fps controls etc,, because you're always in a crazy mad environment....
getting some bog standard fps with a solo campaign mode gives you control tutorials,, experience with aiming/different types of guns (without getting shot at too dangerously) and a general feel for tactics etc...
yes dust is different, and thats why its gonna be awesome..... but from the perspective of someone totally new to this sort of thing then it can be rather daunting i imagine,,,, once you have a feel for the controls, and used to playing on the ps3 in that way.... then you'll find dust much easier to deal with,,, and your destructive rampage can begin |
Virex Staz
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2012.08.18 19:50:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:No offense but you should stick to eve, higher dusters to do your will.
No offence taken.
In Eve I'm a bittervet; been there, done that. Class 6 wormholes became routine so back to flying around lowsec in a rifter for kicks.
If I need a planet taken then I'll have my Eve char drop a few hundred million / a few billion / whatever. I certainly won't try and do it single-handed in Dust with my pi**-poor skills.
If I need to kick back and have fun of an evening I'll die a lot in Dust and (maybe) learn a thing or two.
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