All i see on the forum are they F@cked this over or they don't know what there doing, how dare you charge us for private channels, Etc.
-But has anyone stopped and looked at how huge and diverse the new skirmish matches are, i mean seriously they blow the old maps (both E3 and Pre-E3 Build) out of the water. Not only that i had to think "wait a minute ive seen this area before (Biomass outpost by C"
-We now have persistent groups, and are able to team/squad chat.
-We're able to play more than 1 skirmish map (that deserves enough praise as it is
-My scout proto suit finally has the Black look like every other Proto suits
-There's no more militia dropships coming in to try and smush you
-We have a Intel screen that pops up when you put your reticale over a target showing Suit type, Armor, Shields, Range, Efficiency rate. What other game has that?
-We can now have custom channels
-RE are nerfed (well sorta)
-Nanoinjectors carriers are now the biggest hero's in the game, saving you 120 000+
-And The draw distance is now three times more

So next time when you go to ***** about something, just be thankful that we have what we have. With every build so far the game gets more fleshed out and better, and remember your in a free to play BETA.

CCP keep up the good work

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I'm not really complaining, I love most of what I'm seeing. My only concern is that the game is going from 'free to play' to 'sort of free to play'

Voice chat for:
-Squads: free
-Teams: free
-Corps: not free
-Alliances: not free
-Between Dust and Eve: not free

Maybe I'm getting lost in the semantics, but the game is marketed as 'free to play', so technically I shouldn't have to pay for anything, including voice chat.

Really Benjamin? Really!? You shouldn't have to pay for Anything? Because they said 'free to play' you shouldnt be expected to purchase anything?

Done

CCP has said that Aurum purchased items will be resell able for isk in the player market. Do I have that right, Dust-Mites? I think I do

Did you mean that no player should have the option of spending real money on anything in this game post release? Cuz that seems mean

I'm not really complaining, I love most of what I'm seeing. My only concern is that the game is going from 'free to play' to 'sort of free to play'

Voice chat for:
-Squads: free
-Teams: free
-Corps: not free
-Alliances: not free
-Between Dust and Eve: not free

Maybe I'm getting lost in the semantics, but the game is marketed as 'free to play', so technically I shouldn't have to pay for anything, including voice chat.

maps are the only cool thing about this build.

Well yeah. I don't know what your definition of free to play is, but usually free means free. Not some of it or most of it. All of it, otherwise it's not free. Cheap maybe, but not free. If they called it 'cheap to play', I wouldn't be making an issue out of this. If you want to pay real money to get some flowers on your helmet or some fuzzy dice on your gun, fine, that's optional and your choice. But corp/alliance chat isn't exactly what I'd call optional in a game with that much emphasis on corps and alliances.

maps are the only cool thing about this build.

A) Technically, you can play for free, you just maybe cant get the optimal experience without paying a little for it.

B) Please provide me some examples of other games where you can just talk to you corp/clan without being in some sort of group (seriously, please enlighten me, I do not play any other of the new FPS games). Once the game releases, you and 12/16/24 of your corp mates can get in a group and talk for free.

All i see on the forum are they F@cked this over or they don't know what there doing, how dare you charge us for private channels, Etc.
-But has anyone stopped and looked at how huge and diverse the new skirmish matches are, i mean seriously they blow the old maps (both E3 and Pre-E3 Build) out of the water. Not only that i had to think "wait a minute ive seen this area before (Biomass outpost by C"
-We now have persistent groups, and are able to team/squad chat.
-We're able to play more than 1 skirmish map (that deserves enough praise as it is
-My scout proto suit finally has the Black look like every other Proto suits
-There's no more militia dropships coming in to try and smush you
-We have a Intel screen that pops up when you put your reticale over a target showing Suit type, Armor, Shields, Range, Efficiency rate. What other game has that?
-We can now have custom channels
-RE are nerfed (well sorta)
-Nanoinjectors carriers are now the biggest hero's in the game, saving you 120 000+
-And The draw distance is now three times more

So next time when you go to ***** about something, just be thankful that we have what we have. With every build so far the game gets more fleshed out and better, and remember your in a free to play BETA.

CCP keep up the good work

Free by way if you want to download the game, grab a gun and go shoot people...you can for absolutely zero cost to you...free

Now if you want a deeper and arguably more rewarding experience, you have to pay a little bit. You should not expect to get/play/experience a $60 version of a game for $0

Really Benjamin? Really!? You shouldn't have to pay for Anything? Because they said 'free to play' you shouldnt be expected to purchase anything?

Done

CCP has said that Aurum purchased items will be resell able for isk in the player market. Do I have that right, Dust-Mites? I think I do

Did you mean that no player should have the option of spending real money on anything in this game post release? Cuz that seems mean

this.
hit detection still blows

u dont build a house on **** foundation so why is dust being built on **** fps foundation?
u get the foundation right 1st then proceed to build ur mansion not the other way around

priorities for CCP is all messed up tbh
u guys keep sayin "its gettin fixed dont worry"
every ******* build we are told hit detection and other things are getting fixed and it doesnt happen, obv they are having serious problems solving it or it would of been done already

But if you don't spend anything you look like a cheap sleezeball, just saying

Really Benjamin? Really!? You shouldn't have to pay for Anything? Because they said 'free to play' you shouldnt be expected to purchase anything?

Done

CCP has said that Aurum purchased items will be resell able for isk in the player market. Do I have that right, Dust-Mites? I think I do

Did you mean that no player should have the option of spending real money on anything in this game post release? Cuz that seems mean

Dirty Sanchez (hehe) people don't think things through. We live in a fast food world and if they don't see it on the way through the drive through then it doesn't exist. They don't know or care that these items are resellable, and they take all the ketchup packets because they are free.

All, it is still free to play. You just have to pay for perks that are not necessary for game play. This is the same business model as other free to play games (D&D online, Ghost Recon online, Mass Effect: Infiltrator, Hero Academy, Assassin's Creed Recollection, Guitar Hero series, countless games on Facebook, Rock Band series, and the list goes on).

What they are all missing is that CCP is a business, and a business' goal is to make money. They are thinking that because they get a free account that that they get the advanced stuff for free too. Just like banks - banks are businesses too - of course they charge fees, it's how they make money to survive.

People are short sighted, and they feel entitled, and when that feeling is challenged that's when they get mad - not because CCP is trying to make money, but because they see the company's goal of making money is in conflict with their instant gratification and personal feeling of entitlement. And because people feel that their own personal believes can't be wrong, the fault must be with the other party involved, in this case CCP, and CCP is at fault in their world view for doing something that contradicts their feeling of control and entitlement. This is the curse of a capitalistic society, where people want everything for as little as possible so that they can also buy this and that and the other.

Rant over. Society analysis over. LET'S KILL SOME DUST BUNNIES!

-FD

All, it is still free to play. You just have to pay for perks that are not necessary for game play.

I don't think we're going to agree on this and I'm not trying to troll or p*ss you off, you have your opinion, I have mine and I could be wrong in this but if CCP calls it a "Free to play, AAA shooter", then that's exactly what I'm expecting.

Well yeah, that's why I'm playing a free to play game, until they started charging money for all kinds of shizznit.

-"Here, want this free house?"
-"Sure!"
-"Kewl, if you would like a roof on it, that'll be 5 million dollars"

C'mon man, free to play isn't exactly a vague term now is it? I don't know what you're trying to accomplish with your pseudo-intellectual 'society analysis' but all I'm saying is that free is free, not somewhat free.

If you have to pay for perks it's no longer free, it's really not that hard to grasp. You don't have to call people entitled, short sighted capitalistic nitwits just for stating obvious facts. As for corp/alliance chat, I do think it's necessary, especially when we hit nullsec. That's my personal opinion.

Understood and don't worry about p*ssing me off, I have thick skin and am capable of sticking up for my beliefs...and to the point of my beliefs, I feel it is very naive to expect things for free. As someone else said, CCP is a video game developer. Aside from enjoying their hobby/what they do for work...they need to make money. No matter how much CCP's owners (is it privately held?) love EVE and/or DUST514, they need to make money on it .

To expect a game >(greater than) MAG, >CoD, >Halo, >BF, >Socom >etc. FPS and without paying for (free to you) --- is just plan naive.

You can't question that CCP needs to make money. If you want to argue that voice communication should not be how they make some of that money, than fine, but it is fruitless and ill advised to expect not to pay anything and get the full experience of Dust514.

You can play without paying anything. Therefore, it is free to play this game. Purchasing items is optional. You don't like the term, and that is fine, but remember that it is a marketing term and it is an honest term. I, for one, will be playing this game for free. I do not intend to spend money, therefore it is free to play. You can chose to pay, and you are right it is then pay to play, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be played at no charge.

Yes, you can play this game for free, I'm not argueing with that. I just think that corp/alliance chat is a necessity rather than an option. I don't mind them charging money for optional things at all.

And another yes, you'll be able to communicate with corpmembers in your squad/team, but not your corp as a whole. Corpmembers fighting on different maps/districts/planets/whatever will have to pay to communicate and coordinate their actions and I don't think that should be the case.

"You don't like the term"

That about sums it up, maybe it's naive, maybe it's stupid, but that's just how I feel about it.
I don't even know why I'm getting so worked up about it, because I probably won't be using corp/alliance chat anyway.

And I promised myself I wouldn't become one of those forum warriors. The shame...the shame

But seriously I'm just gonna give it a rest now, g'day gents. *tips hat*

All i see on the forum are they F@cked this over or they don't know what there doing, how dare you charge us for private channels, Etc.
-But has anyone stopped and looked at how huge and diverse the new skirmish matches are, i mean seriously they blow the old maps (both E3 and Pre-E3 Build) out of the water. Not only that i had to think "wait a minute ive seen this area before (Biomass outpost by C"
-We now have persistent groups, and are able to team/squad chat.
-We're able to play more than 1 skirmish map (that deserves enough praise as it is
-My scout proto suit finally has the Black look like every other Proto suits
-There's no more militia dropships coming in to try and smush you
-We have a Intel screen that pops up when you put your reticale over a target showing Suit type, Armor, Shields, Range, Efficiency rate. What other game has that?
-We can now have custom channels
-RE are nerfed (well sorta)
-Nanoinjectors carriers are now the biggest hero's in the game, saving you 120 000+
-And The draw distance is now three times more

So next time when you go to ***** about something, just be thankful that we have what we have. With every build so far the game gets more fleshed out and better, and remember your in a free to play BETA.

CCP keep up the good work

This build is even more boring than last build

Well yeah, that's why I'm playing a free to play game, until they started charging money for all kinds of shizznit.

-"Here, want this free house?"
-"Sure!"
-"Kewl, if you would like a roof on it, that'll be 5 million dollars"

sanchez every time i see your name i think dirty

this.
hit detection still blows

u dont build a house on **** foundation so why is dust being built on **** fps foundation?
u get the foundation right 1st then proceed to build ur mansion not the other way around

priorities for CCP is all messed up tbh
u guys keep sayin "its gettin fixed dont worry"
every ******* build we are told hit detection and other things are getting fixed and it doesnt happen, obv they are having serious problems solving it or it would of been done already

We do need the fps foundation. First high sprint speeds (outrun tanks, dropships, uber elite LAV's that I do work with), then we need scout strafing to turn into regular assault strafing, and scout strafing to be upped. I know a lot of people will be going holy shite wtf lilmamaj you can't up strafe speed on these things they are already OP. Well, they are only OP because hit detection blows. If hit detection were better everything would be better. Killing people would take skill and scout strafing wouldn't be as OP as it is now, even if it were faster.

If we were faster, tanks would be a lot more manageable. The reason most people aren't using AV equipment right now, is because 9/10 times if you can see a tank, a tank can see you, and they will blow you to pieces usually before you are able to bust a cap. If you could get to them a bit faster, maybe we would be able to destroy them. Another way for tanks to be more manageable, is by giving them a weak spot, such as over head. Maybe dropships can destroy tanks now a days, but we won't know until we learn how to fly the cruddy things(has anyone tried it holy crapps its really weird).

Anyway, once we get the fps foundation down, everything will come in smooth, and the game would run great with minimal exploits and problems.

Speaking of smoothness the game needs to be a bit more smooth tbqh. It feels bulky. Maybe that just the mass of the player like in KZ2?