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Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.15 22:20:00 -
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Benjamin Hellios wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:howard sanchez wrote:Benjamin Hellios wrote:I'm not really complaining, I love most of what I'm seeing. My only concern is that the game is going from 'free to play' to 'sort of free to play'
Voice chat for: -Squads: free -Teams: free -Corps: not free -Alliances: not free -Between Dust and Eve: not free
Maybe I'm getting lost in the semantics, but the game is marketed as 'free to play', so technically I shouldn't have to pay for anything, including voice chat. Really Benjamin? Really!? You shouldn't have to pay for Anything? Because they said 'free to play' you shouldnt be expected to purchase anything? Done CCP has said that Aurum purchased items will be resell able for isk in the player market. Do I have that right, Dust-Mites? I think I do Did you mean that no player should have the option of spending real money on anything in this game post release? Cuz that seems mean Dirty Sanchez (hehe) people don't think things through. We live in a fast food world and if they don't see it on the way through the drive through then it doesn't exist. They don't know or care that these items are resellable, and they take all the ketchup packets because they are free. All, it is still free to play. You just have to pay for perks that are not necessary for game play. This is the same business model as other free to play games (D&D online, Ghost Recon online, Mass Effect: Infiltrator, Hero Academy, Assassin's Creed Recollection, Guitar Hero series, countless games on Facebook, Rock Band series, and the list goes on). What they are all missing is that CCP is a business, and a business' goal is to make money. They are thinking that because they get a free account that that they get the advanced stuff for free too. Just like banks - banks are businesses too - of course they charge fees, it's how they make money to survive. People are short sighted, and they feel entitled, and when that feeling is challenged that's when they get mad - not because CCP is trying to make money, but because they see the company's goal of making money is in conflict with their instant gratification and personal feeling of entitlement. And because people feel that their own personal believes can't be wrong, the fault must be with the other party involved, in this case CCP, and CCP is at fault in their world view for doing something that contradicts their feeling of control and entitlement. This is the curse of a capitalistic society, where people want everything for as little as possible so that they can also buy this and that and the other. Rant over. Society analysis over. LET'S KILL SOME DUST BUNNIES! -FD C'mon man, free to play isn't exactly a vague term now is it? I don't know what you're trying to accomplish with your pseudo-intellectual 'society analysis' but all I'm saying is that free is free, not somewhat free. Quote: All, it is still free to play. You just have to pay for perks that are not necessary for game play. If you have to pay for perks it's no longer free, it's really not that hard to grasp. You don't have to call people entitled, short sighted capitalistic nitwits just for stating obvious facts. As for corp/alliance chat, I do think it's necessary, especially when we hit nullsec. That's my personal opinion.
You can play without paying anything. Therefore, it is free to play this game. Purchasing items is optional. You don't like the term, and that is fine, but remember that it is a marketing term and it is an honest term. I, for one, will be playing this game for free. I do not intend to spend money, therefore it is free to play. You can chose to pay, and you are right it is then pay to play, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be played at no charge. |
dukeEarl
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Posted - 2012.08.15 22:24:00 -
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This build is even more boring than last build |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.08.15 22:31:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:
Understood and don't worry about p*ssing me off, I have thick skin and am capable of sticking up for my beliefs...and to the point of my beliefs, I feel it is very naive to expect things for free. As someone else said, CCP is a video game developer. Aside from enjoying their hobby/what they do for work...they need to make money. No matter how much CCP's owners (is it privately held?) love EVE and/or DUST514, they need to make money on it .
To expect a game >(greater than) MAG, >CoD, >Halo, >BF, >Socom >etc. FPS and without paying for (free to you) --- is just plan naive.
You can't question that CCP needs to make money. If you want to argue that voice communication should not be how they make some of that money, than fine, but it is fruitless and ill advised to expect not to pay anything and get the full experience of Dust514.
I agree with you on that, I know they have to make money, just not on something like voice chat. I'm not expecting them to invest millions and years on something and then just give it away, that wouldn't make any sense, it's just that one word, free, that I totally seem to be obsessing on. I realize it's naive, and a ridiculous principal, but if you're going to charge money for any part of the game, no matter how small, then don't call it free, because it isn't, even if most of it is free of charge. If you want the complete Dust 514 experience, it's not free. And now I'm pretty sure I have OCD. |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.08.15 22:42:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote: You can play without paying anything. Therefore, it is free to play this game. Purchasing items is optional. You don't like the term, and that is fine, but remember that it is a marketing term and it is an honest term. I, for one, will be playing this game for free. I do not intend to spend money, therefore it is free to play. You can chose to pay, and you are right it is then pay to play, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be played at no charge.
"You don't like the term"
That about sums it up, maybe it's naive, maybe it's stupid, but that's just how I feel about it. I don't even know why I'm getting so worked up about it, because I probably won't be using corp/alliance chat anyway.
And I promised myself I wouldn't become one of those forum warriors. The shame...the shame
But seriously I'm just gonna give it a rest now, g'day gents. *tips hat* |
Kovinis Sparagas
Final Fortress Happy Tree Fiends
58
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Posted - 2012.08.16 06:16:00 -
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Benjamin Hellios wrote:Maximus Stryker wrote:Benjamin Hellios wrote:I'm not really complaining, I love most of what I'm seeing. My only concern is that the game is going from 'free to play' to 'sort of free to play'
Voice chat for: -Squads: free -Teams: free -Corps: not free -Alliances: not free -Between Dust and Eve: not free
Maybe I'm getting lost in the semantics, but the game is marketed as 'free to play', so technically I shouldn't have to pay for anything, including voice chat. A) Technically, you can play for free, you just maybe cant get the optimal experience without paying a little for it. B) Please provide me some examples of other games where you can just talk to you corp/clan without being in some sort of group (seriously, please enlighten me, I do not play any other of the new FPS games). Once the game releases, you and 12/16/24 of your corp mates can get in a group and talk for free. Yes, you can play this game for free, I'm not argueing with that. I just think that corp/alliance chat is a necessity rather than an option. I don't mind them charging money for optional things at all. And another yes, you'll be able to communicate with corpmembers in your squad/team, but not your corp as a whole. Corpmembers fighting on different maps/districts/planets/whatever will have to pay to communicate and coordinate their actions and I don't think that should be the case.
Have you ever heard of Skype, Team Speak etc.? I heard they are free...
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Mmkk333
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
229
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Posted - 2012.08.16 06:26:00 -
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I didn't read ALL the comments, but the ones I did made me say wtf. All these people talking about how F2P isn't F2P with this, and we have our right to do that, blah blah yadda yadda yadda.
Maybe you should understand what F2P stands for BEFORE you start making these dumb*ss comments. F2P=Free to PLAY yes, let me repeat that, PLAY It is NOT F2T(Free to Talk), or F2MaC(Free to Manage a Corporation) It's FREE TO PLAY EVEN IF the fact that AUR was P2W was true, it would still be F2P, because you ARE PLAYING THE GAME FOR FREE. Stop saying it isn't F2P anymore, because it is, you just jumped to conclusions and thought that there would be no features that held any real monetary value. |
Sniper no Sniping
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.08.16 07:27:00 -
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I will post this here |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.08.16 08:33:00 -
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I no one's hating on CCP exactly.
There's a ton of nice stuff about this build, but many bad things as well - not the just the connection issues.
From my personal standpoint, the worst addition is the aim getting knocked around massively by vehicle turrets- It's game breaking to me.
Will it make it into the final game? Probably not because it's the worst idea in the history of ideas, but it makes me not want to play this build at all. We likely won't see another patch for weeks or even months.
Kind of a downer to people. |
KingBlade82
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.08.16 09:52:00 -
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Benjamin Hellios wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote: You can play without paying anything. Therefore, it is free to play this game. Purchasing items is optional. You don't like the term, and that is fine, but remember that it is a marketing term and it is an honest term. I, for one, will be playing this game for free. I do not intend to spend money, therefore it is free to play. You can chose to pay, and you are right it is then pay to play, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be played at no charge.
"You don't like the term" That about sums it up, maybe it's naive, maybe it's stupid, but that's just how I feel about it. I don't even know why I'm getting so worked up about it, because I probably won't be using corp/alliance chat anyway. And I promised myself I wouldn't become one of those forum warriors. The shame...the shame But seriously I'm just gonna give it a rest now, g'day gents. *tips hat*
but im new to the whole CCP thing and im assuming they arent the devil -very causiously- lol ive played alot of free to play games and i understand how it works now if they do something stupid like extra bullet damage for paying members, best gear cost $$$ u should complain and leave and help them lose money but if they make good on the promises i dont see a problem
this chat thing is not that big of deal but after u accept things people might take advantage and think yeah we can charge for this,that,this over here $$$ and u have a problem im glad people speak out about the small things that way we dont have to deal with the bigger greed issues keep them level headed |
JaZZa01
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
81
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Posted - 2012.08.16 10:06:00 -
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Icedslayer wrote:All i see on the forum are they F@cked this over or they don't know what there doing, how dare you charge us for private channels, Etc. -But has anyone stopped and looked at how huge and diverse the new skirmish matches are, i mean seriously they blow the old maps (both E3 and Pre-E3 Build) out of the water. Not only that i had to think "wait a minute ive seen this area before (Biomass outpost by C" -We now have persistent groups, and are able to team/squad chat. -We're able to play more than 1 skirmish map (that deserves enough praise as it is -My scout proto suit finally has the Black look like every other Proto suits -There's no more militia dropships coming in to try and smush you -We have a Intel screen that pops up when you put your reticale over a target showing Suit type, Armor, Shields, Range, Efficiency rate. What other game has that? -We can now have custom channels -RE are nerfed (well sorta) -Nanoinjectors carriers are now the biggest hero's in the game, saving you 120 000+ -And The draw distance is now three times more
So next time when you go to ***** about something, just be thankful that we have what we have. With every build so far the game gets more fleshed out and better, and remember your in a free to play BETA.
CCP keep up the good work Nothing shooter related addressed. GOOD STUFF. |
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Mr TamiyaCowboy
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
121
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Posted - 2012.08.16 10:32:00 -
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One day a long time ago, in a place called eve online.
we was told to update our client ( you know where i am going ccp /eve players). it was only a little update. a harmless few code lines. so 35'000 players said ok ccp. yet unbeknown to these pilots lay a beast that would and could kill your computer. they updated the clients, but a fatal flaw also meant the update would/could kill those PC's that had a eve client. worse still cause a massive dent in CCP's good standing with its gamers
so imagine when ccp starts reading posts on its forums saying " omg i updated and now my PC is broken" other players said " na your high on eve," then they updated.
a small line of code was used that held these words " DELETE/ BOOT.INI "
35'000 angry eve players stomped ccp, becuase they had had added a code line that directly deleted a sensitive file used by windows. after i updated i found out i could not turn of my pc until CCP could fix the problem. 5 hrs i waited for a fix, and as CCP does it came up with the fix.
ever since that fatal mistake by CCP, CCP's community of gamers deal out tough hard man love, they are open and do not beat around the bush, they do not mince words or coat them with icing sugar, they get right to the nasty nitty gritty point. what is good about this, CCP sits up and listens but also talks with its players to find the best fix for everyone. it makes them more stronger with a heavy hitting gaming community behind them.
it is not hate, its just eve love |
mr merkzdem
38
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Posted - 2012.08.16 17:22:00 -
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dukeEarl wrote:This build is even more boring than last build
id have to agree looking at battle initializing screen for 2 or 3 hours between games is mind numbing |
dukeEarl
9
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Posted - 2012.08.16 20:28:00 -
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Benjamin Hellios wrote:Icedslayer wrote:But if you don't spend anything you look like a cheap sleezeball, just saying Well yeah, that's why I'm playing a free to play game, until they started charging money for all kinds of shizznit. -"Here, want this free house?" -"Sure!" -"Kewl, if you would like a roof on it, that'll be 5 million dollars" Pretty good analogy! |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.08.16 20:37:00 -
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gangsta nachos wrote:sanchez every time i see your name i think dirty
lol I went by the name in starwars BF 1 and I was a TK because the aim assist would not assist on friendly targets on their first build so you could have a normal fight without sticky aim if you only fought friendly targets |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
648
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Posted - 2012.08.16 21:01:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:maps are the only cool thing about this build. this. hit detection still blows u dont build a house on **** foundation so why is dust being built on **** fps foundation? u get the foundation right 1st then proceed to build ur mansion not the other way around priorities for CCP is all messed up tbh u guys keep sayin "its gettin fixed dont worry" every ******* build we are told hit detection and other things are getting fixed and it doesnt happen, obv they are having serious problems solving it or it would of been done already
Fanboys wont recognize that, they will just keep apologizing until the game is forgotten. OP thinks its random hate, no, its frustration! Is it really too much too expect decent gameplay and smooth FPS mechanics?
People keep using the F2P apology also, I am sick to desth of that. "You shouldn't expect a quality, indepth game for free!" Why not? Is that not what CCP is advertising? No... That argument is very shallow. We are here to assist CCP in making a good game. If I see something I think is wrong, I am gonna first talk politely about it, then slowly raise my voice till I am yelling or it is fixed. It sounds juvenile, but I agreed to help test this game, and I am not gonna sit quitely if I see an issue get pushed aside. |
Elrick Mercer
23
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Posted - 2012.08.16 21:16:00 -
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Because after 4 builds of poop we still have poop. The maps are entirely to big for 12 v 12 even 24 v 24 combat so the maps are a fail also! |
xeto rak
Epidemic. Space Immigration
23
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Posted - 2012.08.16 21:19:00 -
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1. When you are a noob you love CCP because the game is great. This lasts 2-3 months.
2. Then you realise the cool feature got nerfed, your wallet is 6b negative due to illegal activities and you have been punished, so now you hate CCP. This lasts 1-2 years.
3. Finally you grow up and you understand the sh*t that CCP must handle due to retards like your previous you and... love is back
So to summarise:
If you hate CCP you are a piece of sh*t and ret*rd. |
noSHWAGG
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
1
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Posted - 2012.08.16 21:28:00 -
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Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:We do need the fps foundation. First high sprint speeds (outrun tanks, dropships, uber elite LAV's that I do work with), then we need scout strafing to turn into regular assault strafing, and scout strafing to be upped. I know a lot of people will be going holy shite wtf lilmamaj you can't up strafe speed on these things they are already OP. Well, they are only OP because hit detection blows. If hit detection were better everything would be better. Killing people would take skill and scout strafing wouldn't be as OP as it is now, even if it were faster.
If we were faster, tanks would be a lot more manageable. The reason most people aren't using AV equipment right now, is because 9/10 times if you can see a tank, a tank can see you, and they will blow you to pieces usually before you are able to bust a cap. If you could get to them a bit faster, maybe we would be able to destroy them. Another way for tanks to be more manageable, is by giving them a weak spot, such as over head. Maybe dropships can destroy tanks now a days, but we won't know until we learn how to fly the cruddy things(has anyone tried it holy crapps its really weird).
Anyway, once we get the fps foundation down, everything will come in smooth, and the game would run great with minimal exploits and problems.
Speaking of smoothness the game needs to be a bit more smooth tbqh. It feels bulky. Maybe that just the mass of the player like in KZ2? ^This is what the game needs badly.^ Strafe speeds bumped back up. If they fix The hit detection, Speed up charater movement and smooth out the controls the game will play great. Quick swap should be smooth, Fast and reliable. |
Cyris Fortune
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
66
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Posted - 2012.08.16 21:33:00 -
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I still don't understand this counter argument of "deeper experience = pay to play" when dust514 is being marketed as a "deep immersive AAA fps / mmo shooter that is free to play and ps3 exclusive". With a unique selling point of being linked to the eve universe were each skirmish directly effects it.
They then turn around a charge AUR "real money" for a key mechanic that has been marketed to the target audience. What makes this even more of a head twister is that there is FREE alternates medians that provide this same service type. Also these other medians are being used currently by the same player base which they are trying to charge you connect with. So in essence the dust players will be encouraged by their eve corp employers/friends to use these free medians. Meaning that this item IMHO will either "not sell" (due to other options avaible) "sell very little" ( due to its pricing). Either way this will not make as much money as expected and will cause distain amoungst the player base.
IMHO if you take away the immersive-ness of corp game play this is just a AAA Fps with a different leving system. We as FPS players have these in abundance, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Medal of Honnour, Counter strike, Halo ect.
For those who think this is not taking away from the game. This IMHO is on par with charging for a game in colour, you can play in black and white for free?
For the record I love this game and an drawn to its gameplay concept. I don't mind the micro transaction system. I personally bought 3 merc packs (me and 2friends). I will also spend "real money" in game. But not for a game mechanic and point on which it has been sold. I understand CCP need to make money, but there other ways to make money. |
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