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Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.15 20:45:00 -
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I'm not really complaining, I love most of what I'm seeing. My only concern is that the game is going from 'free to play' to 'sort of free to play'
Voice chat for: -Squads: free -Teams: free -Corps: not free -Alliances: not free -Between Dust and Eve: not free
Maybe I'm getting lost in the semantics, but the game is marketed as 'free to play', so technically I shouldn't have to pay for anything, including voice chat. |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.15 21:05:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Benjamin Hellios wrote:I'm not really complaining, I love most of what I'm seeing. My only concern is that the game is going from 'free to play' to 'sort of free to play'
Voice chat for: -Squads: free -Teams: free -Corps: not free -Alliances: not free -Between Dust and Eve: not free
Maybe I'm getting lost in the semantics, but the game is marketed as 'free to play', so technically I shouldn't have to pay for anything, including voice chat. Really Benjamin? Really!? You shouldn't have to pay for Anything? Because they said 'free to play' you shouldnt be expected to purchase anything? Done CCP has said that Aurum purchased items will be resell able for isk in the player market. Do I have that right, Dust-Mites? I think I do Did you mean that no player should have the option of spending real money on anything in this game post release? Cuz that seems mean Well yeah. I don't know what your definition of free to play is, but usually free means free. Not some of it or most of it. All of it, otherwise it's not free. Cheap maybe, but not free. If they called it 'cheap to play', I wouldn't be making an issue out of this. If you want to pay real money to get some flowers on your helmet or some fuzzy dice on your gun, fine, that's optional and your choice. But corp/alliance chat isn't exactly what I'd call optional in a game with that much emphasis on corps and alliances. |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.08.15 21:18:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:Benjamin Hellios wrote:I'm not really complaining, I love most of what I'm seeing. My only concern is that the game is going from 'free to play' to 'sort of free to play'
Voice chat for: -Squads: free -Teams: free -Corps: not free -Alliances: not free -Between Dust and Eve: not free
Maybe I'm getting lost in the semantics, but the game is marketed as 'free to play', so technically I shouldn't have to pay for anything, including voice chat. A) Technically, you can play for free, you just maybe cant get the optimal experience without paying a little for it. B) Please provide me some examples of other games where you can just talk to you corp/clan without being in some sort of group (seriously, please enlighten me, I do not play any other of the new FPS games). Once the game releases, you and 12/16/24 of your corp mates can get in a group and talk for free.
Yes, you can play this game for free, I'm not argueing with that. I just think that corp/alliance chat is a necessity rather than an option. I don't mind them charging money for optional things at all.
And another yes, you'll be able to communicate with corpmembers in your squad/team, but not your corp as a whole. Corpmembers fighting on different maps/districts/planets/whatever will have to pay to communicate and coordinate their actions and I don't think that should be the case. |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.08.15 21:22:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:
Free by way if you want to download the game, grab a gun and go shoot people...you can for absolutely zero cost to you...free
Now if you want a deeper and arguably more rewarding experience, you have to pay a little bit. You should not expect to get/play/experience a $60 version of a game for $0
I don't think we're going to agree on this and I'm not trying to troll or p*ss you off, you have your opinion, I have mine and I could be wrong in this but if CCP calls it a "Free to play, AAA shooter", then that's exactly what I'm expecting. |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.08.15 21:32:00 -
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Icedslayer wrote:But if you don't spend anything you look like a cheap sleezeball, just saying
Well yeah, that's why I'm playing a free to play game, until they started charging money for all kinds of shizznit.
-"Here, want this free house?" -"Sure!" -"Kewl, if you would like a roof on it, that'll be 5 million dollars" |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.08.15 22:06:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:howard sanchez wrote:Benjamin Hellios wrote:I'm not really complaining, I love most of what I'm seeing. My only concern is that the game is going from 'free to play' to 'sort of free to play'
Voice chat for: -Squads: free -Teams: free -Corps: not free -Alliances: not free -Between Dust and Eve: not free
Maybe I'm getting lost in the semantics, but the game is marketed as 'free to play', so technically I shouldn't have to pay for anything, including voice chat. Really Benjamin? Really!? You shouldn't have to pay for Anything? Because they said 'free to play' you shouldnt be expected to purchase anything? Done CCP has said that Aurum purchased items will be resell able for isk in the player market. Do I have that right, Dust-Mites? I think I do Did you mean that no player should have the option of spending real money on anything in this game post release? Cuz that seems mean Dirty Sanchez (hehe) people don't think things through. We live in a fast food world and if they don't see it on the way through the drive through then it doesn't exist. They don't know or care that these items are resellable, and they take all the ketchup packets because they are free. All, it is still free to play. You just have to pay for perks that are not necessary for game play. This is the same business model as other free to play games (D&D online, Ghost Recon online, Mass Effect: Infiltrator, Hero Academy, Assassin's Creed Recollection, Guitar Hero series, countless games on Facebook, Rock Band series, and the list goes on). What they are all missing is that CCP is a business, and a business' goal is to make money. They are thinking that because they get a free account that that they get the advanced stuff for free too. Just like banks - banks are businesses too - of course they charge fees, it's how they make money to survive. People are short sighted, and they feel entitled, and when that feeling is challenged that's when they get mad - not because CCP is trying to make money, but because they see the company's goal of making money is in conflict with their instant gratification and personal feeling of entitlement. And because people feel that their own personal believes can't be wrong, the fault must be with the other party involved, in this case CCP, and CCP is at fault in their world view for doing something that contradicts their feeling of control and entitlement. This is the curse of a capitalistic society, where people want everything for as little as possible so that they can also buy this and that and the other. Rant over. Society analysis over. LET'S KILL SOME DUST BUNNIES! -FD
C'mon man, free to play isn't exactly a vague term now is it? I don't know what you're trying to accomplish with your pseudo-intellectual 'society analysis' but all I'm saying is that free is free, not somewhat free.
Quote: All, it is still free to play. You just have to pay for perks that are not necessary for game play. If you have to pay for perks it's no longer free, it's really not that hard to grasp. You don't have to call people entitled, short sighted capitalistic nitwits just for stating obvious facts. As for corp/alliance chat, I do think it's necessary, especially when we hit nullsec. That's my personal opinion. |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.08.15 22:31:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:
Understood and don't worry about p*ssing me off, I have thick skin and am capable of sticking up for my beliefs...and to the point of my beliefs, I feel it is very naive to expect things for free. As someone else said, CCP is a video game developer. Aside from enjoying their hobby/what they do for work...they need to make money. No matter how much CCP's owners (is it privately held?) love EVE and/or DUST514, they need to make money on it .
To expect a game >(greater than) MAG, >CoD, >Halo, >BF, >Socom >etc. FPS and without paying for (free to you) --- is just plan naive.
You can't question that CCP needs to make money. If you want to argue that voice communication should not be how they make some of that money, than fine, but it is fruitless and ill advised to expect not to pay anything and get the full experience of Dust514.
I agree with you on that, I know they have to make money, just not on something like voice chat. I'm not expecting them to invest millions and years on something and then just give it away, that wouldn't make any sense, it's just that one word, free, that I totally seem to be obsessing on. I realize it's naive, and a ridiculous principal, but if you're going to charge money for any part of the game, no matter how small, then don't call it free, because it isn't, even if most of it is free of charge. If you want the complete Dust 514 experience, it's not free. And now I'm pretty sure I have OCD. |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.08.15 22:42:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote: You can play without paying anything. Therefore, it is free to play this game. Purchasing items is optional. You don't like the term, and that is fine, but remember that it is a marketing term and it is an honest term. I, for one, will be playing this game for free. I do not intend to spend money, therefore it is free to play. You can chose to pay, and you are right it is then pay to play, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be played at no charge.
"You don't like the term"
That about sums it up, maybe it's naive, maybe it's stupid, but that's just how I feel about it. I don't even know why I'm getting so worked up about it, because I probably won't be using corp/alliance chat anyway.
And I promised myself I wouldn't become one of those forum warriors. The shame...the shame
But seriously I'm just gonna give it a rest now, g'day gents. *tips hat* |
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