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Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:14:00 -
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The one where he wrecks everything and everyone with a OB. Why would it matter to the Dust guy? He just gets rehabilitated in a CRU anyways... |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:16:00 -
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I agree. So I got shot not like it doesn't happen already. |
Thor Thunder Fist
Better Hide R Die
79
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:17:00 -
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I think that was more to get across that we can still betray each other then anything else. from what I've gathered EVE would lack a lot of it's "legendary" qualities if people couldn't betray each other and that to me seems like as good a way as any to reinforce that it will be in DUST aswell |
Gilbatron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
81
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:21:00 -
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you need to work with a dust guy to make an orbital bombardment happen. |
Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
639
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:22:00 -
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Gilbatron wrote:you need to work with a dust guy to make an orbital bombardment happen.
That's no where close to the point I'm making. |
Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
711
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:23:00 -
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They set bad examples for their players. :] |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:38:00 -
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The eve player wiped out all of thier gear on the field. then refused to pay the team for thier losses and recalls the warbarge stranding the soldiers planetside. |
shadis omar
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:52:00 -
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My eve buddy wants to know if he can fill up a ship with dust mercs and then self destruct at this point it this should be no surprise as eve players are psychopaths. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:57:00 -
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shadis omar wrote:My eve buddy wants to know if he can fill up a ship with dust mercs and then self destruct at this point it this should be no surprise as eve players are psychopaths.
no. you be hauling blank bodies without minds loaded. |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:06:00 -
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Yes everything I keep reading is that they the eve players just want to grief the dust players. It makes no sense to me how that will be fun for either side? OK so you killed me. I respawn and go again. Ohh you back stab our contract well OK. I died again I get back up. If you leave us stranded on a planet and that's it then there is no reason to play. If we can't controlled our own destinies and eve players can self destruct the ship with us on it what's the point of playing. I can understand that they may be able to delay us to miss a battle or something, that makes sense, but to have ultimate control of our destinies just because they control space and have billions of isk advantage doesn't sound right. There has to be a balance of some sort.
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Mr Funless
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
191
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:07:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:They set bad examples for their players. :]
There's a ccp video promoting backstabbing/stealing in EVE.
edit: found it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I&list=PLF614A7A6461E61E1&index=12&feature=plpp_video |
Rasmergan
8
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:11:00 -
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Im sure there will be some Betrayal and Backstabbing, but don't you think CCP has figured out a way to keep it from becoming one sided.
Im almost certain than has much **** as Eve Players can do to the Dust players, the same will hold true in reverse.
Have no fear. |
Mr Funless
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
191
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:15:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Yes everything I keep reading is that they the eve players just want to grief the dust players. It makes no sense to me how that will be fun for either side? OK so you killed me. I respawn and go again. Ohh you back stab our contract well OK. I died again I get back up.
Some of the fun in EVE is making the other person so miserable that they don't want to log in.
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Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:17:00 -
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I can assure you Dusters can't grief EvE players, while EvE players can do whatever. More evidence Dust is just a poor mini game for EvE. Care less about Dust every time I see any news about it. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:20:00 -
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Mr Funless wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:Yes everything I keep reading is that they the eve players just want to grief the dust players. It makes no sense to me how that will be fun for either side? OK so you killed me. I respawn and go again. Ohh you back stab our contract well OK. I died again I get back up.
Some of the fun in EVE is making the other person so miserable that they don't want to log in.
You see, that's crap to any FPS player. Winning a clan battle because the enemy didn't show isn't fun or satisfying. EvE and FPS mentality is so different... We actually play to shoot face you know. |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:22:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:I can assure you Dusters can't grief EvE players, while EvE players can do whatever. More evidence Dust is just a poor mini game for EvE. Care less about Dust every time I see any news about it.
I must be reading the same news as you. Its kinda like we are to be the whipping boys. |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:24:00 -
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What I predict happening is all the action will be in the arena were clans can go head to head and the rest of it if its not balanced nobody will play. |
Maken Tosch
263
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:28:00 -
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Actually, Dust players can back stab Eve players since they are the ones fighting on the planets. Eve Corp A hires Dust Corp A to defend a planet only to find during the match that Dust Corp A has been paid better by Eve Corp B to destroy the same district or colony that Eve Corp A was wanting to defend.
Alternatively the population of Dust 514 grows to extent over the years to encompass much of the planets in low sec and null sec and thus begin using such planets as bargaining chips when the number of unoccupied planets diminishes as planets are finite in numbers and then we start seeing Dust corps forming their own powerblocs that might even challenge Goonswarm or Test or Red Alliance or Pandemic Legion etc. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:29:00 -
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I see action on other games. You won't grind for months just for a couple of games in the arena. Yea, I see action on other games instead. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:32:00 -
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Quote:Actually, Dust players can back stab Eve players since they are the ones fighting on the planets. Eve Corp A hires Dust Corp A to defend a planet only to find during the match that Dust Corp A has been paid better by Eve Corp B to destroy the same district or colony that Eve Corp A was wanting to defend.
You see, no matter what we do, we're just EvE play things. Corp A or B. Doesn't matter. |
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HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:34:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Actually, Dust players can back stab Eve players since they are the ones fighting on the planets. Eve Corp A hires Dust Corp A to defend a planet only to find during the match that Dust Corp A has been paid better by Eve Corp B to destroy the same district or colony that Eve Corp A was wanting to defend.
Alternatively the population of Dust 514 grows to extent over the years to encompass much of the planets in low sec and null sec and thus begin using such planets as bargaining chips when the number of unoccupied planets diminishes as planets are finite in numbers and then we start seeing Dust corps forming their own powerblocs that might even challenge Goonswarm or Test or Red Alliance or Pandemic Legion etc.
Not sure I understand. We get all geared up for a battle and log in at a certain time, and our leaders tell us there is no battle? But we made a lot of isk! Hmmm sounds real fun. |
Rasmergan
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:39:00 -
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From what I read and understand, most of your Corporation fighting is going to be in Null Sec. So all your backstabbing and **** will be done there.
Your Low Sec, will be like being in the Militia in EVE. Amarr and Caldari vs. Minmitar and Gallente, so you'll be fighting other people for the Main Factions.
And High Sec will be bot games.
Now that's what I read and how I understand it. If I have to go find what I read I will, but I rather not. |
XxGreen RangerxX
13
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:03:00 -
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shadis omar wrote:My eve buddy wants to know if he can fill up a ship with dust mercs and then self destruct at this point it this should be no surprise as eve players are psychopaths.
this made me LOL not a bad idea |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:05:00 -
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Rasmergan wrote:From what I read and understand, most of your Corporation fighting is going to be in Null Sec. So all your backstabbing and **** will be done there.
Your Low Sec, will be like being in the Militia in EVE. Amarr and Caldari vs. Minmitar and Gallente, so you'll be fighting other people for the Main Factions.
And High Sec will be bot games.
Now that's what I read and how I understand it. If I have to go find what I read I will, but I rather not.
high sec most certainly wont be bots i dont think.....
we will have rogue drones tho, that is PvE. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:09:00 -
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i was trying to explain this to a bunch of EVEtard noobs on youtube bragging about making it rain fire and griefing us out of new eden.. there response was typical and generic they resorted to personal attacks when i started making the point that an AoE strike is nothing new to an FPS player, they got even more butthurt when i told them a merc has to be the one to paint the target, they also think that they can shoot at us from non orbit
the final straw was when i told them they are just a space puppet in the battle and the mercs will be the ones who decides who gets bombed.. i'm still getting fed my hate mail daily but that's what youtubes for |
shadis omar
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:13:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:i was trying to explain this to a bunch of EVEtard noobs on youtube bragging about making it rain fire and griefing us out of new eden.. there response was typical and generic they resorted to personal attacks when i started making the point that an AoE strike is nothing new to an FPS player, they got even more butthurt when i told them a merc has to be the one to paint the target, they also think that they can shoot at us from non orbit
the final straw was when i told them they are just a space puppet in the battle and the mercs will be the ones who decides who gets bombed.. i'm still getting fed my hate mail daily but that's what youtubes for
YouTube thats your problem the comments drop the IQ of the average user by 30 points.
I have seen idiots clam that 40k space marine ripped of gears of war and I don't mean the game play I mean the bulky armor and chainsaws.
Hint: 40k is from the 80s. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:19:00 -
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shadis omar wrote:TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:i was trying to explain this to a bunch of EVEtard noobs on youtube bragging about making it rain fire and griefing us out of new eden.. there response was typical and generic they resorted to personal attacks when i started making the point that an AoE strike is nothing new to an FPS player, they got even more butthurt when i told them a merc has to be the one to paint the target, they also think that they can shoot at us from non orbit
the final straw was when i told them they are just a space puppet in the battle and the mercs will be the ones who decides who gets bombed.. i'm still getting fed my hate mail daily but that's what youtubes for YouTube thats your problem the comments drop the IQ of the average user by 30 points. I have seen idiots clam that 40k space marine ripped of gears of war and I don't mean the game play I mean the bulky armor and chainsaws.
for a troll like me youtube is a haven.. the waters are rich... the noobs are endless.. have you ever experienced the passion and zeal of say, orlando bloom fans? say something like "i used to like orlando bloom until he started smoking crack" on an LOTR video and watch the magic happen... |
Majin Vejeta
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:32:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:shadis omar wrote:TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:i was trying to explain this to a bunch of EVEtard noobs on youtube bragging about making it rain fire and griefing us out of new eden.. there response was typical and generic they resorted to personal attacks when i started making the point that an AoE strike is nothing new to an FPS player, they got even more butthurt when i told them a merc has to be the one to paint the target, they also think that they can shoot at us from non orbit
the final straw was when i told them they are just a space puppet in the battle and the mercs will be the ones who decides who gets bombed.. i'm still getting fed my hate mail daily but that's what youtubes for YouTube thats your problem the comments drop the IQ of the average user by 30 points. I have seen idiots clam that 40k space marine ripped of gears of war and I don't mean the game play I mean the bulky armor and chainsaws. for a troll like me youtube is a haven.. the waters are rich... the noobs are endless.. have you ever experienced the passion and zeal of say, orlando bloom fans? say something like "i used to like orlando bloom until he started smoking crack" on an LOTR video and watch the magic happen...
+1 sir. |
howard sanchez
Conspiratus Immortalis
448
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:35:00 -
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Don't any of you play eve?
The point of those videos is to demonstrate your degree of freedom to choose in eve. And, yes, there are plenty of people across the cluster who choose to explore their darker side given the opportunity.
The sad thing, much as on more terrestrial media channels, is that everybody loves dirty laundry. You don't hear enough about the great comraderey, trust and sense of team accomplishment you build.
In fact, those heists and backstabbings wouldn't even happen without those unsung qualities.
Yes, life as immortal mercenaries will bring out the worst in, well perhaps, most of us....
But try not to lose focus on the harder metals to forge |
Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:46:00 -
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we may be an eve mini game at first but we also put a idea into the devs head the first day we were here, ship baorsing and station boarding think about that. How long will eve player dominate the aky when the huge number of anti ship defense of a planet no to mention a the resources are up for grabs they may control movement and space but how long will massive cannon dominate when a team of special force dusties can diaable a ship or shut down the siege mode of PoS? How long will we be bound planet side before we start griefing the eve people we may not be able to destory a ship bit we will one day be able to makeit hell to fly them. |
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John Surratt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2012.08.14 06:48:00 -
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Op: Because it made good video and an illustration of the the video's quote from the Highlander TV show about "choices." The point the the "EVE Future Vision" video was to sell the idea of the sandbox to gamers and stroke EVE players, as it was released at Fanfest 2011 to EVE players.
Tony Calif wrote:I can assure you Dusters can't grief EvE players, while EvE players can do whatever. More evidence Dust is just a poor mini game for EvE. Care less about Dust every time I see any news about it.
Tony, when did you become such a bittervet and where is your evidence supporting this becasue I don't see this in the dev blogs and patch notes. I have not seen anything in this game yet that counters CCP's overall design that they have talked about in the beginning. Nice article here. I also don't think 3 years of dev time and resources are consistent with mini game and if it does turn out to be a mini game for EVE, I'm going to be very pissed off, if only because of the diverted resources that could have been spent on all kinds of spaceship stuffs.
Quote:RPS: When I first heard about the idea of DUST and EVE, I felt like there was a class structure to it. You have your upper-middle class people flying ships, and then they employ the grunts on the surface. Now, that sounds massively appealing to an EVE player, but how do you sell that to a DUST player?
Thomas: ItGÇÖs actually not quite the case. ItGÇÖs not a one-way relationship. The way weGÇÖve designed it, and the way weGÇÖve iterated on the design, is that if you have a corporation thatGÇÖs pure mercenaries, pure DUST players, then sure, an EVE corp can say, GÇ£I want you to go over here and destroy this guyGÇÖs infrastructure. IGÇÖll pay you this much to do it. And if you donGÇÖt do it IGÇÖm going to be kind of pissed at you.GÇ¥ But then you can also have that DUST corp load up their war barge, go to any planet, and just attack it themselves. And they can take control of that infrastructure. ThereGÇÖs no difference between the infrastructure being deployed between the games. So a pure DUST corp can come in and just start attacking, or if itGÇÖs a virgin planet they can deploy planetary infrastructure themselves. So theyGÇÖre not slaves. They can be self-sufficient. But unless they cooperate theyGÇÖll never get the full benefits, because the orbital constructions and the surface-based constructions, they do literally need to be linked to form a space elevator, to gain the maximum benefits and impact sovereignity, so that encourages players to act together.
You used to have some decent posts, but now I'm not sure if the bitterness is trolling or if you really have become a bittervet in the last few months.
If you truly care so little, why keep posting and bad mouthing? |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.08.14 07:55:00 -
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I see a tony post i just skip it, it's just more whiny crying crappy pants post because EVE is not going to be a COD in space match shooter for his clan of pigeon holing elitists.. idk maybe he's like 14-18 years old or something with a narrow perspective of gamng.. i'm not too worried about it because CCP will go on making their game and not his watered down version, he wants a counter strike clone in space from the sound of it. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.14 08:28:00 -
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Or maybe I didn't like EvE. What's the problem with that? I don't like the way EvE players act, and the less I have to deal with people for whom winning > fun, the better. I'm allowe to be negative. Otherwise things won't get fixed. They probably wont get fixed anyway, but I have to try and sort Dust out. Look at all the **** EvE players want. Like spawn camping. I'm sorry if I'm elitest in that I want a challenge from my opponent. Not to delete his clan while he sleeps. It's an FPS yo. Shot face or gtfo?
More EvEtard personal attacks against me. Keep em comming. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.14 08:37:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Or maybe I didn't like EvE. What's the problem with that? I don't like the way EvE players act, and the less I have to deal with people for whom winning > fun, the better. I'm allowe to be negative. Otherwise things won't get fixed. They probably wont get fixed anyway, but I have to try and sort Dust out. Look at all the **** EvE players want. Like spawn camping. I'm sorry if I'm elitest in that I want a challenge from my opponent. Not to delete his clan while he sleeps. It's an FPS yo. Shot face or gtfo?
More EvEtard personal attacks against me. Keep em comming.
... To be honest you're acting like an Evetard.
Welcome to the club. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:02:00 -
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The trouble with arguing with idiots is they'll drag you down to their level. |
Iceyburnz
316
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:05:00 -
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Debacle Nano wrote:The one where he wrecks everything and everyone with a OB. Why would it matter to the Dust guy? He just gets rehabilitated in a CRU anyways...
Because the "best gear" isn't in game yet (tech 2 stuff).
If your in your best gear a build might cost 1-2 million isk per player.
That and the video is for the drama don't expect to be able to do that. |
Primus Core
Brimstone Tactical Covert Intervention
22
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:26:00 -
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So all I've heard so far is a bunch of people griping about how a game that's intended to blend two entirely different worlds is going to blend two worlds and not leave them entirely separate. I've got four words for you: shut the hell up. CCP always finds a way for everyone to get even from any direction, usually long before it gets to be a problem. All you have to do is think a little more than shoot, which is something CCP likes to highlight very heavily.
Edit: From the earlier article -
RPS: When I first heard about the idea of DUST and EVE, I felt like there was a class structure to it. You have your upper-middle class people flying ships, and then they employ the grunts on the surface. Now, that sounds massively appealing to an EVE player, but how do you sell that to a DUST player?
Thomas: ItGÇÖs actually not quite the case. ItGÇÖs not a one-way relationship. The way weGÇÖve designed it, and the way weGÇÖve iterated on the design, is that if you have a corporation thatGÇÖs pure mercenaries, pure DUST players, then sure, an EVE corp can say, GÇ£I want you to go over here and destroy this guyGÇÖs infrastructure. IGÇÖll pay you this much to do it. And if you donGÇÖt do it IGÇÖm going to be kind of pissed at you.GÇ¥ But then you can also have that DUST corp load up their war barge, go to any planet, and just attack it themselves. And they can take control of that infrastructure. ThereGÇÖs no difference between the infrastructure being deployed between the games. So a pure DUST corp can come in and just start attacking, or if itGÇÖs a virgin planet they can deploy planetary infrastructure themselves. So theyGÇÖre not slaves. They can be self-sufficient. But unless they cooperate theyGÇÖll never get the full benefits, because the orbital constructions and the surface-based constructions, they do literally need to be linked to form a space elevator, to gain the maximum benefits and impact sovereignity, so that encourages players to act together. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:37:00 -
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Iceyburnz wrote:Debacle Nano wrote:The one where he wrecks everything and everyone with a OB. Why would it matter to the Dust guy? He just gets rehabilitated in a CRU anyways... Because the "best gear" isn't in game yet (tech 2 stuff). If your in your best gear a build might cost 1-2 million isk per player. That and the video is for the drama don't expect to be able to do that.
or tech 3 weapons... |
Iceyburnz
316
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:39:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
or tech 3 weapons...
Ohhh.
I'm gonna get my gf to whisper those words into my ear tonight. |
XxGreen RangerxX
13
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:23:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Quote:Actually, Dust players can back stab Eve players since they are the ones fighting on the planets. Eve Corp A hires Dust Corp A to defend a planet only to find during the match that Dust Corp A has been paid better by Eve Corp B to destroy the same district or colony that Eve Corp A was wanting to defend.
You see, no matter what we do, we're just EvE play things. Corp A or B. Doesn't matter.
Give Dust player corps the ability to control Moon Mining. If your dust corp has control of said planet all the moons are yours as well(or heck let us fight over the moons too) and you can allow/disallow whomever you chose to have access to the resources on these planets/moons. This could make dust life very interesting.
CCP has to make our control of planets meaningful enough to hurt an eve corporations income in order to create the infusion that i think they are looking for. Wether this means making more shiny ships use planetary resources, or something else, something need to be looked at.
As an eve player if i were to not be able to pick up my planetary resources it would be at the most a minor nuisance. Not in my opinion enough of an income loss to warrant any real investment or effort in order to restore. My hope is that planetary resources will become more valuable in some way to make waging war on these planets worth the Dust players time and worth the level of involvement for the eve player as well. |
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Natu Nobilis
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:51:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Or maybe I didn't like EvE. What's the problem with that? I don't like the way EvE players act, and the less I have to deal with people for whom winning > fun, the better. I'm allowe to be negative. Otherwise things won't get fixed. They probably wont get fixed anyway, but I have to try and sort Dust out. Look at all the **** EvE players want. Like spawn camping. I'm sorry if I'm elitest in that I want a challenge from my opponent. Not to delete his clan while he sleeps. It's an FPS yo. Shot face or gtfo?
More EvEtard personal attacks against me. Keep em comming.
Ad hominem is terrible indeed, but your argumentation is one sided and a little out of place on an enviroment like this one.
You seem like a person that enjoys a lot of the shooting part. Thats needed, that-¦s good, it is an fps after all.
But trying to reduce the scope of possibilities in a game that it-¦s located in the EVE universe, may be an "offense" for the community that built around it. It-¦s like Sartre-¦s spirit descendend upon CCP games, for "Choice" is the biggest attribute these games provide.
If one wants to follow the way of the warrior, to excel at shooting people at the face, to build an elit operation corporation that lives exclusively for fighting, one can do it! They-¦ll not be EVE slaves, they-¦ll not be playing a mini game, they-¦ll be doing what they CHOSE to do.
However, there are others in the same universe.
If another one is inclined to invest in market control, and strangle your supply of weapons in a certain region and killing your hability to fight properly, or decides to infiltrate your ranks, play nice for a long time, and then make a huge mess out of an organization, rendering it useless, it-¦s also a CHOICE, and the fun of somebody.
Some may say "But this is an fps, and fps is "meant" to shoot people", but then, this would be a very, very narrow view and a simplification of the Dust 514 game.
We are mercenaries, we have high tech ground equipment so we are able to take planets under our control and grasp to do AS WE PLEASE with them. Want to make cash out of infrastructure that you built and nurtured? Go for it. Want to roleplay that you are a zealot of a certain faction, or a merciless group that take whaterver or whomever they want from the populace, IT-¦S YOUR CHOICE.
There are so many possibilities, so many types of gameplay, so many ways a person can interact and interfere with others, that whenever people try to reduce the scope of actions of this amazing universe, so it can fit *their* choices and game style, it is certainly an action that is frowned upon.
Yes, EVE players may be cutthroat bitches, they may explore every aspect of the possibilities of the game to the point where a simple thig becomes an exploit that needs to be addressed by the shapers fo reality, but they-¦re also an incredible community, eager to learn in a very empiric way "Hmm, i wonder what happens if i do X with this Y", and "big brothers" (including the prick ones) in a universe that is expanding and revealing to ourselves right now. Capsuleers are not superior, they just chose a different setting to interact and influence. We do as we please on the ground, not needing them, but getting increased rewards if we decide for a synergical action.
New eden has it-¦s own history, be it in space or planetary surface. It-¦s a single universe where we can do as we please with the tools provided for us.
Anyone trying to reduce the possibilities of choices, is actually killing this universe a little bit, when they could simply excel at what they do and mold the universe to their shape and resemblance if they were inclined to do so.
Live and let die.
If that-¦s too much for people, they can simply find other games.
In the end, it-¦s always about choice.
Best Regards |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:41:00 -
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Well said Natu. |
Mr TamiyaCowboy
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.14 12:58:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:I can assure you Dusters can't grief EvE players, while EvE players can do whatever. More evidence Dust is just a poor mini game for EvE. Care less about Dust every time I see any news about it.
incorrect, you can turn those blasters from shooting the MMC, and have them target the eve spaceship doing the OB. will the eve ship be lost, yeah it is possible if the pilot has a honor tank, and/or a total failfit.
a duster could open an eve account, infiltrate a mid sized corp belonging to a poweblock alliance. gain trust and become a director, or even gain entry to a higher tier hanger.
all that duster has to do it set in motion a certain few things and the eve player/corp/alliance looses alot more. the duster sells whatever he has gained, using it to bolster his duster/eve corp/alliance.
i bet you would care if your nice shiney NYX-avatar/moros etc etc got insta popped from the planet, takes only both duster sides to join forces on the battlefield load up the blaster cannons and PRIMARY the incoming OB ship. you think ccp would make dust that far from reach of eve players and eve that far from reach to dusters, think again.
a poor mini game, just like mining, exploration, building T2-T3 -Titans - supercaps - caps - POS
a sandbox will always change and the players are at the heart of it, it is us that finds new ways to exploit what we are given. and ccp's job to try and stop us/ fix what we break-exploit.
Eve is a dog eat dog world, like real life. if it aint your mate stealing your woman, its the neighbour or local ******** geek-hardman. eve is the same but not everyone. some of us make a choice kill or be killed, shoot first ask why later. just like an fps you do not sit and think " hmmm should i kill this dude or let him run away" , no you shoot the sucker in the back. But us eve pilots see the future, kill him now or wait till he is carrying a more expensive cargo worth billions of isk.
people dont like eve because its way to deep for them, or they just want godmode or some R1+L2 + square triangle circle circle square cross will give everthing the game offers aka cheat mode engaged. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.14 13:15:00 -
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Infiltrate EvE corps. Yeah right. You guys are tighter than a nun's bottom :D Aside from the fact we'd have to pay monthly to do so. No trial acc will ever destabilise a corp.
Mining is actually what the whole of EvE runs off... that's no mini game. I'll try and explain where I'm comming from.
EvE corps set contracts EvE corps set prices/produce our gear EvE corps fight over SOV
Dusters don't. Maybe one day we will, but certainly not until the 2013 update at it's earliest. I think some of te things I've mentioned wont be in until then anyway. We just don't have the option or ability to. This is partly due to CCP being very careful. But I don't believe I've seen anyone saying Dusters should be able to change SOV. That is the only REAL way to grief EvE players. Just look at BoB.
To be clear, I have no interest in griefing EvE players or Dusters, and I think that's the trouble. EvE win at all costs mindset vs Fps win because it's more fun than losing (usually).
@Tam Actually I didn't like EvE because the combat is too removed, and simply not engaging enough for me. Deep universe, terrible combat for a space sim. Then I met the arsehats. |
Iceyburnz
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Posted - 2012.08.14 13:33:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Infiltrate EvE corps. Yeah right. You guys are tighter than a nun's bottom :D Aside from the fact we'd have to pay monthly to do so. No trial acc will ever destabilise a corp.
Mining is actually what the whole of EvE runs off... that's no mini game. I'll try and explain where I'm comming from.
EvE corps set contracts EvE corps set prices/produce our gear EvE corps fight over SOV
Dusters don't. Maybe one day we will, but certainly not until the 2013 update at it's earliest. I think some of te things I've mentioned wont be in until then anyway. We just don't have the option or ability to. This is partly due to CCP being very careful. But I don't believe I've seen anyone saying Dusters should be able to change SOV. That is the only REAL way to grief EvE players. Just look at BoB.
Again Tony, your spreading negative information thats speculation on your part, misinformation based on what you've heard or just plain wrong.
Majority of the isk in eve comes from welfare (Mission Payouts) as well as a good portion of minerals (although less today due to various changes in the loot tables). Mining is pretty much seen by the majority of non-competative vets as a suckers profession. It has the lowest ISK payout per hour of any of the High SP professions even in null sec but its a nessicery evil if you want to self sufficiently build star ships. Doing it purely for money in high sec is a "your doing it wrong" moment.
Apart from fly spaceships, and set up space based stuff. Dust Players will be able to do everything eve players can. CCP have explicitly stated that the games will not rely on each other but will interact with each other that will make both games more engaging. That means it will be possible for Dust players to hold planets in enemy space, without getting support from other dusts it will be "tough" for eve players. It maybe won't do anything technically, but it will have social and psychological implications, as some upstart PS3 owner is making money of "their" planets.
There have been cases of four people planing stealth stations in player held alliance space and moon-shining huge amounts of isk in backyard systems. The tears were epic. So no, epically collapsing a whole empire makes for good reading in the gaming press but thats not the only stuff that happens. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.14 13:37:00 -
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It's not speculation Icy. We don't even get corps at release. Like I say the 2013 update could change a lot. Until then, we'll just have to lube up and bite the pillow. |
Naturi Riclenore
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Posted - 2012.08.14 13:39:00 -
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WOW!! Some of you just aren't getting the concept of EVE / DUST 514 and the interactions between them.
We are not playing 2 different games. EVE and DUST 514 are the SAME GAME, just different MODES of gameplay - Space vs Ground Troopers. If an EVE player wants to try and grief a DUST player, let them. The DUST player can then grief them back. AWWW that nice planet you just conquered over there - We're taking it back for OURSELVES and taking control of ALL infrastructure (meaning no more money for you EVE player)
Quote: Mining and resource harvesting are not limited to spaceship-mounted systems. The first capsuleer starbases were dedicated to running automated mining arrays that extracted many useful materials from the moons they orbited. Even now, after starbase capabilities have been expanded to running factories, laboratories and shipyards, many thousands of moons continue to be mined by harvesting systems based on industrial starbases.
Guess who can take over those planetside resources away from EVE players - DUST PEOPLE.
OHH and this:
Quote: The main touchpoint upon the launch of DUST, will be in nulsec, will be in sovereignty, will be in inflicting damage and destruction and death upon your enemies, destroying their infrastructure and their means to survive, either by means or scorched earth or by stealing their installations on the surfaces of planets. There will be more going on on the surfaces of planets. WeGÇÖve introduced mechanics allowing people to manufacture goods on the planets, but planets will play a more pivotal role in sovereignty mechanics further down the line.
UHH OHHH - Looks like DUST people are going to effect SOV.
Yes initially it won't have ALL these features. But as it carries on, you can bet these features will be added into the game. And initially, there won't even be EVE contracts, it will be from an automated system. Eventually, they will start adding in EVE player contracts. CCP is very carefull about making sure stuff works before adding it in. So we're not just lap dogs, we will make a difference. |
Iceyburnz
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Posted - 2012.08.14 13:42:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:It's not speculation Icy. We don't even get corps at release. Like I say the 2013 update could change a lot. Until then, we'll just have to lube up and bite the pillow.
I understand what your saying but I think a lot the big clan leaders have been talking to CCP, and it might be coming soon. I know Mandrill (fellow scot yay) has been in polite talks with some of the community guys about this issue.
I don't think its as bad as your predicting, CCP will not allow too many immediate or obvious avenues for griefing. To do so would invite disaster.
The guys at CCP are very smart, some are the tops of their fields. Have a little faith in their ability to design that "dream sic-fi game" we have all been wishing for. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2012.08.14 14:08:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:It's not speculation Icy. We don't even get corps at release. Like I say the 2013 update could change a lot. Until then, we'll just have to lube up and bite the pillow.
We beaten it into thier heads on the irc channel, we're getting basic corps by launch have some faith in the evetards who keep telling that no corps at launch is unacceptable.
Corp Names, Channel, Logo, Tag, and basic positions at least. Hanger, specific game mechanic tied in positions, recruiting, gamebased fourums (which keeps non members out so much better than any other online means)
Secondly Eve corps cant cross us until we can cross them they wont be able to make plateary invasion contracts until we can screw them over on those.
At launch we get conquest lite mode where the contracts are NPC handeled as are the mostly its going to be very much harder for an eve online player to screw over a match without dust 514 help for example yoru squad leader calling an orbital strike on his own team because his own team are a bunch of idiots and deserve it after getting his team redlined. The thing is he can still call that strike down regardless if there is a pilot in orbit or not. the pilot orbital is much more powerful.
Also you as a merc can double cross in so many ways its not even funny, your not even looking at it the right way. True the eve online pilot may set up the contract for you to win a match, the other eve pilot or dust 514 general may pay you much more to lose. You can even make it to the point you get advanced some isk ahead of the match and still lose it get him to help provide orbital strike use some of your spare cash to hire an eve online pilot to get paid out to attack a vunerable target in orbit as bombardment ships are horrible at space combat and then refuse to pay the said pirates you just hired.
Just remember everyone you just screwed over is going to remember, how they go about thier revenge if however... |
XxGreen RangerxX
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:07:00 -
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Naturi Riclenore wrote:WOW!! Some of you just aren't getting the concept of EVE / DUST 514 and the interactions between them. We are not playing 2 different games. EVE and DUST 514 are the SAME GAME, just different MODES of gameplay - Space vs Ground Troopers. If an EVE player wants to try and grief a DUST player, let them. The DUST player can then grief them back. AWWW that nice planet you just conquered over there - We're taking it back for OURSELVES and taking control of ALL infrastructure (meaning no more money for you EVE player) Quote: Mining and resource harvesting are not limited to spaceship-mounted systems. The first capsuleer starbases were dedicated to running automated mining arrays that extracted many useful materials from the moons they orbited. Even now, after starbase capabilities have been expanded to running factories, laboratories and shipyards, many thousands of moons continue to be mined by harvesting systems based on industrial starbases.
Guess who can take over those planetside resources away from EVE players - DUST PEOPLE. OHH and this: Quote: The main touchpoint upon the launch of DUST, will be in nulsec, will be in sovereignty, will be in inflicting damage and destruction and death upon your enemies, destroying their infrastructure and their means to survive, either by means or scorched earth or by stealing their installations on the surfaces of planets. There will be more going on on the surfaces of planets. WeGÇÖve introduced mechanics allowing people to manufacture goods on the planets, but planets will play a more pivotal role in sovereignty mechanics further down the line.
UHH OHHH - Looks like DUST people are going to effect SOV. Yes initially it won't have ALL these features. But as it carries on, you can bet these features will be added into the game. And initially, there won't even be EVE contracts, it will be from an automated system. Eventually, they will start adding in EVE player contracts. CCP is very carefull about making sure stuff works before adding it in. So we're not just lap dogs, we will make a difference.
Nauturi would you mind posting the source for the 2 paragraphs your quoting from? In the summer 2012 CSM notes it seemed that CCP was shying away from having Dust directly effect SOV and wanted it to be more of something that "added a bonus" CSM Really long PDF but the part that applies directly to Dust starts on page 69.
Honestly i just want to find out which literature is more current to see when they changed thier mind and which way they were leaning towards now. |
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Alshadow
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:14:00 -
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Gilbatron wrote:you need to work with a dust guy to make an orbital bombardment happen. maybe people on the other team? i dont get it... y even send people out there if ur just gonna blow em up? |
Natu Nobilis
51
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:15:00 -
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A "corporation" will not be EVE exclusive. A corporation is a corporation, with more or less dust or eve players in it.
Maybe not on launch indeed (lots of tweaking to do), but eventually, we-¦l be able to contorl several districts, than an entire planet, than all the planets on the solar system, than the planets of the entire constellation, and eventually an entire region.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/373Z-7/celestials
We are in Stain right now, forgot the system, but you can have an idea with this link.
I don-¦t know exaclty *how* the sov mechanics will be, but Dust will influence in it in the future. Right now is a big "Insert a big flag in an uncontested system, pay for it, it-¦s yours" The old sov mechanics involved the ammount of POS you had in the system. (In both systems the mechanics of capturing a system is a paaaaaaaaaain in the ass)
It will probably involve the ammount of planets you have under control to contest or claim a system for yourself.
District battles >>> X districts = Planetary control >>> X Planets = System contest / control
I would even bet my money that future moon changes will involve dust and planetary control somehow. (They are important for the production of T2 gear, lots and lots of money in it).
We-¦l also be able to play the market make cartels out of Planetary Interface and influence the capsuller world.
I really don-¦t see how we would be only the recieving end of actions.
I dream of the day when a huge group of mercs controls a region and gives the fingers for all the Dust (and Incarna) haters all over New Eden.
The day of the "Ha, told ya" is coming =) |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:31:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Infiltrate EvE corps. Yeah right. You guys are tighter than a nun's bottom :D Aside from the fact we'd have to pay monthly to do so. No trial acc will ever destabilise a corp.
lol @ more of your flagrant ignorance..
the top EVE players don't have to pay monthly they pay about 500million isk for 30 days game time. it's called PLEX.. sorry if you're butthurt that you're little trial account you made on EVE is limited to a civilian miner and running level 1 missions.
try making your rage posts on EVE's main forum and be sure to link them here, "yo" |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:36:00 -
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Alshadow wrote:Gilbatron wrote:you need to work with a dust guy to make an orbital bombardment happen. maybe people on the other team? i dont get it... y even send people out there if ur just gonna blow em up?
so you can record the e-thug kids who will be raging on mic in cracking voices and then post it on youtube, then you make them pay isk in order to have it removed |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:56:00 -
[55] - Quote
Jog on teabag you nob. Thought you were ignoring my posts anyway? Might be for the better. Try reason what I wrote instead. Iyou can't infiltrate an EvE corp without paying. Don't see that as ignorant, I'd say it's fact. LoL @ ransoming people's rage on YouTube. Really? Wtf do you think cares? You need to get out more yo. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.08.14 16:01:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Jog on teabag you nob. Thought you were ignoring my posts anyway? Might be for the better. LoL @ ransoming people's rage on YouTube. Really? Wtf do you think cares? You need to get out more yo.
i got out with your mom yo |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.14 16:04:00 -
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Yeah flame more. Gz. Jelly? Kknp. |
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
781
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Posted - 2012.08.14 16:08:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:Alshadow wrote:Gilbatron wrote:you need to work with a dust guy to make an orbital bombardment happen. maybe people on the other team? i dont get it... y even send people out there if ur just gonna blow em up? so you can record the e-thug kids who will be raging on mic in cracking voices and then post it on youtube, then you make them pay isk in order to have it removed
Thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard. All parts.
The raging.
The record of said raging.
The required ransom to have video removed.
So dumb. |
Ad ski
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
209
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Posted - 2012.08.14 16:13:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:Alshadow wrote:Gilbatron wrote:you need to work with a dust guy to make an orbital bombardment happen. maybe people on the other team? i dont get it... y even send people out there if ur just gonna blow em up? so you can record the e-thug kids who will be raging on mic in cracking voices and then post it on youtube, then you make them pay isk in order to have it removed If that was ever the case they won't be the only ones with recording devices |
TiMeSpLiT--TeR
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
326
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Posted - 2012.08.14 16:14:00 -
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A dust merc can be an eve player. Imagine your EVE corp has Dust mercs and was hired by another EVE player to protect a planet . The defending mercs will just not do anything and let the attacker win.
"Face it pal, you been played" - Nathan Drake. |
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Iceyburnz
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Posted - 2012.08.14 16:21:00 -
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PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:Alshadow wrote:Gilbatron wrote:you need to work with a dust guy to make an orbital bombardment happen. maybe people on the other team? i dont get it... y even send people out there if ur just gonna blow em up? so you can record the e-thug kids who will be raging on mic in cracking voices and then post it on youtube, then you make them pay isk in order to have it removed Thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard. All parts. The raging. The record of said raging. The required ransom to have video removed. So dumb.
This is against Youtubes terms of service as it is technically cyber bullying. Youtube would remove it if there is any complaints made. Heck youtube removes videos if its even flagged, then they investigate. Everything else is film-flam made up for lulz and fake e-peen by confederates.
Its never as bad as people make it out to be. Be a Jedi, don't give in to fear. |
Iceyburnz
316
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Posted - 2012.08.14 16:23:00 -
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TiMeSpLiT--TeR wrote:A dust merc can be an eve player. Imagine your EVE corp has Dust mercs and was hired by another EVE player to protect a planet . The defending mercs will just not do anything and let the attacker win. "Face it pal, you been played" - Nathan Drake.
Its not going to work like that. Sorry.
Also there will also me a corp history of contract you've lost, too many and people won't hire you. You can game the system, but eve isn't just a system, its a society, a bad reputation is more damaging than a poor aim.
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Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.14 16:30:00 -
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These guys are on another level of internet-fear. In MAG videos the QQ was a major part of the content! |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.14 16:53:00 -
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QQ in new eden is doled out mostly in the forums however there are exceptions for your enjoyment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns9oAGnK9CU
btw Tank CEO is the guy who wrote the book on eve pvp when it was forming so many years ago. I havent seen him in a while but he founded Agony unleased a pvp orientated training camp. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:20:00 -
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Vid won't play. I'll try and watch it somewhere else. |
Naturi Riclenore
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:35:00 -
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The first quote is directly off of EVE's website. I quoted it because as DUST mercenaries, we will be taking over these planet resources. At first it will just be for Computer Generated Corps (will see this in Precursor). After that, it will start opening to EVE Player contracts. So as DUST Mercs, we CAN control resources and planets w/o the need for EVE players. It won't be easy, but it will be able to be done.
On top of that, DUST Mercs will be able to own Installation that can fire at Space Ships in EVE (and we watch as the EVE player cries over their 7 Billion ISK ship gets blow to pieces) and EVE players will own the Orbital command units - which is a more precise strike than the MCC orbital strike, which can blow up our 7 Million ISK tanks.
So if we go to take over a planet, the recourses will not belong to us so we will then have to hack them. This is what the attacking team is doing in Skirmish. When the MCC docks, it signifies gaining / losing control over that district.
The second quote is from an interview (will have to find it). But as you also mentioned, it was brought up in the meeting CCP had. Now in the minutes, I see what you were talking about. That's not quite what they were talking about though.
The DUST battle system is being introduced into the FW System in EVE. The problem EVE players were talking about (and this is a stretch as CCP mentioned), what if 500,000 DUST Mercs decided to try and take over SOV? There is no way for EVE players to take over a planet. So DUST Mercs take over ALL the planets, all the resources, etc.. in a system, thus changing SOV overnight (again - extreme situation).
That's why it was suggested for Planet Control and SOV just have them separated and then if you have BOTH you get bonus'. A rebuttable came back though:
Quote:I guess I am less concerned about the whole people taking over overnight. If I am a 0.0 entity and this matters, then I should be willing to pay top dollar to the DUST mercenary corps and hire the very best to defend my space. I don't let random bad people in my alliance in EVE if I want to hold my space, why should I have random bad DUST people in my alliance to help me hold my space?
And CCP AGREED. If you're playing nullsec 0.0 and you're that worried about losing SOV, protect your assests as you would anything else in 0.0 - that's the risk you are taking playing there. Even stated their end goal they would like to do that, but just want to start slow first. It's not out of the question, just start it slower. They felt as though as a DEFAULT position, it was too agressive.
Having to spend $$$$ ISK to get a ship(s) to take over a system and get SOV, then have to pay $$$$ for the planetary resources, then have to pay $$$$$ so that their SOV can be protected by DUST Mercs (forcing them to rely on DUST players) was a bit agressive. But if that's what people want, they will def. consider it.
So it would still effect SOV somehow, probably not just totally taking it away at launch |
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