I keep reading these posts from Protoman about how it takes him no skill what so ever in his tank while getting 100 kills in a match and they are OP.

Its more like a problem of redlining the enemy team and spawn camping with tanks.

So what do you propose they nerf on the tank that doesn't make it OP and doesn't make it's function inert?

I'm didn't make this post to say if the tank is OP or not just that this community needs to stop being so selfish and do like protoman who has proven what he says by abusing something over and over then reporting it here on the forums just to have people say otherwise and chastise him for it. We need more people to find abuse and then report things like this and not the ones who find crap like this, abuse it then defend it to keep things OP because they are selfish and like to over inflated their egos in a digital world for whatever pathetic reason.

Tanks are not OP against 12 morons who are as dumb as a lamp post

I keep reading these posts from Protoman about how it takes him no skill what so ever in his tank while getting 100 kills in a match and they are OP. Which I've seen in matches against him and as his gunner once. I used to think he was just another tanker douche but now realize he was trying to prove a point in the BETA. Of course he might actually still be a douche just not a " please keep my tank OP douche" like I thought he might be before.

Then I see other people arguing that it's BS and there is nothing wrong with the tanks. They say it's because there is no team work against the tanks or comms use for teamwork. Then they say just wait until team grouping is added next patch and it will be different.

To me the more unselfish poster trying to make the game better and more balanced for everyone is the one who has proven his point on the battlefield and then stated that something he abuses by getting 100 kill matches in the Beta is OP and should be balanced better is more unselfish.

It just looks to me the other ones are trying to defend that it's not OP because they like how it is and want it to stay the same to keep their over inflated E-peen KDR stats and not balance the game. This kind of selfish crap is what kills a game and makes the community disappear.

Now the argument about once grouping is implemented the tanks rein of terror will end is utter BS too. Do you think the tanks don't have friends that will group up with them and help them out. If they can dominate alone right now imagine when they have their friends helping them that know each others play style. Seems to me that the grouping thing will cancel out each side and the Tanks if they are indeed OP will still be OP.

Hey people this game like every game is supposed to be, for everyone not just you. So try to help make it that way and not whine to get what you want that will make it benefit you only but the community as a whole. Selfish players is what kills good games and the community. This game has lots of potential so don't help to ruin it before it has a chance. It's a shame to see good game die because of this just like MAG, so much potential but in the end a fractured selfish community.

Once again this community proves the OP's point. Too busy arguing about tanks being op or not. That's a simple example. The point the OP is makin is that if you aren't proving it on the battlefield, shut up. Sorry to be blunt

Once again this community proves the OP's point. Too busy arguing about tanks being op or not. That's a simple example. The point the OP is makin is that if you aren't proving it on the battlefield, shut up. Sorry to be blunt

I really don't agree with the OP.
Tanks are strong, yes. OP? Really not.

After 2-3 weeks of reading the endless bickering between OP tanks and AV I decided to check. It just one weekend to train SL to level 4 and I already started raking in tank kills. Even Sagari and Suryas. Some were good fits.
The weekend after that I trained to level 5 and started walking around with a proto SL. It made a difference. I was now raking in even more kills. I too had games where I took out 3-5 top tier tanks. It's doable.

The thing is you have to be smart. If the tank sees you and you're in range, you're dead. So don't do that. Out smart that driver. Hunt him.

And as for protoman's point, I completely disagree. He did nothing to prove the point that tanks are OP with no skill. He is a very skilled driver. If he drives a top tier tank and goes 100/0, he's good. He's very good.
So what now? Nerf players who know what they're doing? Slow down their DS3's to level the playing field?

Hell no. Good players will be good. Always.

I keep reading these posts from Protoman about how it takes him no skill what so ever in his tank while getting 100 kills in a match and they are OP. Which I've seen in matches against him and as his gunner once. I used to think he was just another tanker douche but now realize he was trying to prove a point in the BETA. Of course he might actually still be a douche just not a " please keep my tank OP douche" like I thought he might be before.

Then I see other people arguing that it's BS and there is nothing wrong with the tanks. They say it's because there is no team work against the tanks or comms use for teamwork. Then they say just wait until team grouping is added next patch and it will be different.

To me the more unselfish poster trying to make the game better and more balanced for everyone is the one who has proven his point on the battlefield and then stated that something he abuses by getting 100 kill matches in the Beta is OP and should be balanced better is more unselfish.

It just looks to me the other ones are trying to defend that it's not OP because they like how it is and want it to stay the same to keep their over inflated E-peen KDR stats and not balance the game. This kind of selfish crap is what kills a game and makes the community disappear.

Now the argument about once grouping is implemented the tanks rein of terror will end is utter BS too. Do you think the tanks don't have friends that will group up with them and help them out. If they can dominate alone right now imagine when they have their friends helping them that know each others play style. Seems to me that the grouping thing will cancel out each side and the Tanks if they are indeed OP will still be OP.

Hey people this game like every game is supposed to be, for everyone not just you. So try to help make it that way and not whine to get what you want that will make it benefit you only but the community as a whole. Selfish players is what kills good games and the community. This game has lots of potential so don't help to ruin it before it has a chance. It's a shame to see good game die because of this just like MAG, so much potential but in the end a fractured selfish community.

I just started using tanks 2 days ago bro.

I don't drive tanks, but I do die a lot to them, especially if I'm not paying attention. I currently have an advanced SL. I can do some hefty damage to most tanks. With a couple proto swarms on the field, most lower tier tanks drop pretty quick. A well fit sagaris on the other hand is a pain in the a$$. I hate seeing those. Punching through their shields is tough. It definately takes quite a bit of firepower and teamwork. But, as stated before, the amount of vehicles, including tanks, in this build was intentional. Next build we probably won't see them like we do now. Also, we will see more counter options with seeking AV grenades, webs, etc. Maybe EMP weapons that will stop tanks, prevent them from firing, drop their shields. Any combination of these types of weapons can make short work of even the best fit tank.

As for missiles sagaris on top of buildings at the red line, that should be addressed somehow. But again, we will have to see how things will be implemented as beta progresses.

I'm sorry dude but that's not the EVE way. It's a valid tactic. Somebody should just go up there a knock the tank of the building or switch to AV loadouts.

Agree, that's a valid tactic. Zitro did that once while I was on defending team. Not sure how I got out, but was able to and drop an up link. At that point was able to do something. But missile sagaris bombardment is difficult to escape when spawining. But I do forget that spawning sill be addressed in next patch, so no too concerned with it I guess.

Its more like a problem of redlining the enemy team and spawn camping with tanks.

As it stands everyone is better off hiding in tanks .The way this game is heading everyone might as well hang out in tanks and just do away with skirmish all together.. Its impossible to help keep and hold objectives when me and all my friends have to load out our completly ranked forge guns and hang out on the roof to take out tank after tank after tank they keep spawning. When the new build comes im gonna spend all my points in tanks like everyone else and we can all have a big tank fest!

thats a problem with the map the not the tanks

go ahead and nerf em i dont even care anymore .. doesnt effect me but trying to dumb the game down to cater to one pigeon holed style is fkn ********

Dude definitely just caught feelings in this thread

simple reply to the above post:

"balance" isnt how CCP does things. Just search and you'll find countless forms of evidence of this.

Now the argument about once grouping is implemented the tanks rein of terror will end is utter BS too. Do you think the tanks don't have friends that will group up with them and help them out. If they can dominate alone right now imagine when they have their friends helping them that know each others play style. Seems to me that the grouping thing will cancel out each side and the Tanks if they are indeed OP will still be OP.

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OK carry on then because CCP has lots of tears to collect so get to it and feed your overlords.

You'll have your friends and they will have their friends. The team that comes out on top will be the one with better composition and execution. If the game becomes tank on tank all the time then there is a problem, but at this point I don't see that. The balance problems I do see is proto swarms blowing up tanks and dropships left and right from out of nowhere.

Another useless protoman fanboy thread.

Pretty sure ccp is aware of the tank problem, if there even is one...

This is the actual problem.

I keep reading these posts from Protoman about how it takes him no skill what so ever in his tank while getting 100 kills in a match and they are OP. Which I've seen in matches against him and as his gunner once. I used to think he was just another tanker douche but now realize he was trying to prove a point in the BETA. Of course he might actually still be a douche just not a " please keep my tank OP douche" like I thought he might be before.

Then I see other people arguing that it's BS and there is nothing wrong with the tanks. They say it's because there is no team work against the tanks or comms use for teamwork. Then they say just wait until team grouping is added next patch and it will be different.

To me the more unselfish poster trying to make the game better and more balanced for everyone is the one who has proven his point on the battlefield and then stated that something he abuses by getting 100 kill matches in the Beta is OP and should be balanced better is more unselfish.

It just looks to me the other ones are trying to defend that it's not OP because they like how it is and want it to stay the same to keep their over inflated E-peen KDR stats and not balance the game. This kind of selfish crap is what kills a game and makes the community disappear.

Now the argument about once grouping is implemented the tanks rein of terror will end is utter BS too. Do you think the tanks don't have friends that will group up with them and help them out. If they can dominate alone right now imagine when they have their friends helping them that know each others play style. Seems to me that the grouping thing will cancel out each side and the Tanks if they are indeed OP will still be OP.

Hey people this game like every game is supposed to be, for everyone not just you. So try to help make it that way and not whine to get what you want that will make it benefit you only but the community as a whole. Selfish players is what kills good games and the community. This game has lots of potential so don't help to ruin it before it has a chance. It's a shame to see good game die because of this just like MAG, so much potential but in the end a fractured selfish community.

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With greater map variance the value of vehicles will change. Were not going to be stuck on Plateau for ever.

Exactly. Plataeus is only one small installation we'll find in the main maps. In fact Plataeus is a small map overall.