DUST Search - Selfish NUBs

Ragin DaCajun wrote:

I keep reading these posts from Protoman about how it takes him no skill what so ever in his tank while getting 100 kills in a match and they are OP. Which I've seen in matches against him and as his gunner once. I used to think he was just another tanker douche but now realize he was trying to prove a point in the BETA. Of course he might actually still be a douche just not a " please keep my tank OP douche" like I thought he might be before.

Then I see other people arguing that it's BS and there is nothing wrong with the tanks. They say it's because there is no team work against the tanks or comms use for teamwork. Then they say just wait until team grouping is added next patch and it will be different.

To me the more unselfish poster trying to make the game better and more balanced for everyone is the one who has proven his point on the battlefield and then stated that something he abuses by getting 100 kill matches in the Beta is OP and should be balanced better is more unselfish.

It just looks to me the other ones are trying to defend that it's not OP because they like how it is and want it to stay the same to keep their over inflated E-peen KDR stats and not balance the game. This kind of selfish crap is what kills a game and makes the community disappear.

Now the argument about once grouping is implemented the tanks rein of terror will end is utter BS too. Do you think the tanks don't have friends that will group up with them and help them out. If they can dominate alone right now imagine when they have their friends helping them that know each others play style. Seems to me that the grouping thing will cancel out each side and the Tanks if they are indeed OP will still be OP.

Hey people this game like every game is supposed to be, for everyone not just you. So try to help make it that way and not whine to get what you want that will make it benefit you only but the community as a whole. Selfish players is what kills good games and the community. This game has lots of potential so don't help to ruin it before it has a chance. It's a shame to see good game die because of this just like MAG, so much potential but in the end a fractured selfish community.

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TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.08.12 19:40:00 - [31] - Quote Unit-775 wrote: Ragin DaCajun wrote: I keep reading these posts from Protoman about how it takes him no skill what so ever in his tank while getting 100 kills in a match and they are OP. Its more like a problem of redlining the enemy team and spawn camping with tanks. thats a problem with the map the not the tanks go ahead and nerf em i dont even care anymore .. doesnt effect me but trying to dumb the game down to cater to one pigeon holed style is fkn ********
Ragin DaCajun 16	Posted - 2012.08.12 22:56:00 - [32] - Quote do you people understand it's not about the tanks it's about trying to make the game balanced so you whiney kids don't ruin it for the whole community. We here to try to break and abuse things in game to show what things that need to be fixed. I could have used the RE as an example which is being changed, now whether or not it's the correct fix remains to be seen after we test it in the new patch. They really did need to be balanced. Hopefully it has balanced it and not made them completely worthless. BUT THIS POST WAS NOT ABOUT YOUR BELOVED TANKS!!!!!!! That was just an example. It was about trying to have things balanced by abusing, breaking, and using things in game then report it here but proving it first. Proto was just an example of someone doing it but you savages just attack anything that would take away your unbalanced advantage and make this game more balanced shrinking your little E-peen back to normal small size. It has happened with HMGs, REs, Tanks, Dropships, AR Breach rifles, etc. The whole point about this post was to say stop being selfish and think about what is best to make the community strive and not die but you just can't help yourselves you bunch of foaming at the mouth animals. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE YOU SEE ONLY WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE AND THAT WAS TANKS THEN YOU FREAK OUT AND START ATTACKING ANY ONE OR ANYTHING THAT YOU THINK WILL HAVE YOUR BELOVED TANK NERFED. Thanks for distorting this post into your little OP/not OP tank whine fest. Please lock this post and stop another crybaby fest GMs.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.12 23:06:00 - [33] - Quote simple reply to the above post: "balance" isnt how CCP does things. Just search and you'll find countless forms of evidence of this.
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.08.12 23:07:00 - [34] - Quote Whines about people defending their views. Calls them whining noobs. LOGIC
LISA MICHELLE WARRIORS 74	Posted - 2012.08.13 00:09:00 - [35] - Quote As it stands everyone is better off hiding in tanks .The way this game is heading everyone might as well hang out in tanks and just do away with skirmish all together.. Its impossible to help keep and hold objectives when me and all my friends have to load out our completly ranked forge guns and hang out on the roof to take out tank after tank after tank they keep spawning. When the new build comes im gonna spend all my points in tanks like everyone else and we can all have a big tank fest!
LISA MICHELLE WARRIORS 74	Posted - 2012.08.13 00:16:00 - [36] - Quote LISA MICHELLE WARRIORS wrote: As it stands everyone is better off hiding in tanks .The way this game is heading everyone might as well hang out in tanks and just do away with skirmish all together.. Its impossible to help keep and hold objectives when me and all my friends have to load out our completly ranked forge guns and hang out on the roof to take out tank after tank after tank they keep spawning. When the new build comes im gonna spend all my points in tanks like everyone else and we can all have a big tank fest! If you cant beat em join em
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.08.13 00:22:00 - [37] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: Unit-775 wrote: Ragin DaCajun wrote: I keep reading these posts from Protoman about how it takes him no skill what so ever in his tank while getting 100 kills in a match and they are OP. Its more like a problem of redlining the enemy team and spawn camping with tanks. thats a problem with the map the not the tanks go ahead and nerf em i dont even care anymore .. doesnt effect me but trying to dumb the game down to cater to one pigeon holed style is fkn ******** Dude definitely just caught feelings in this thread
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.08.13 00:44:00 - [38] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: Unit-775 wrote: Ragin DaCajun wrote: I keep reading these posts from Protoman about how it takes him no skill what so ever in his tank while getting 100 kills in a match and they are OP. Its more like a problem of redlining the enemy team and spawn camping with tanks. thats a problem with the map the not the tanks go ahead and nerf em i dont even care anymore .. doesnt effect me but trying to dumb the game down to cater to one pigeon holed style is fkn ******** Dude definitely just caught feelings in this thread nah bro.. i was hanging out with your mom and she didnt go down so yea i am a little mad she did take it in the butt tho but when i tried to give her a reach around (was that really her dik?) it went south
Ragin DaCajun 16	Posted - 2012.08.13 00:54:00 - [39] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: simple reply to the above post: "balance" isnt how CCP does things. Just search and you'll find countless forms of evidence of this. You are probably right, starting to think they get a kick out of watching how people react to what they do more so than fixing the game. Maybe that's their master plan they like it unbalanced to hell because they are tear collectors and dream smashers. OK carry on then because CCP has lots of tears to collect so get to it and feed your overlords.
Bhal Jhor Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 23	Posted - 2012.08.13 01:02:00 - [40] - Quote Ragin DaCajun wrote: Now the argument about once grouping is implemented the tanks rein of terror will end is utter BS too. Do you think the tanks don't have friends that will group up with them and help them out. If they can dominate alone right now imagine when they have their friends helping them that know each others play style. Seems to me that the grouping thing will cancel out each side and the Tanks if they are indeed OP will still be OP. You'll have your friends and they will have their friends. The team that comes out on top will be the one with better composition and execution. If the game becomes tank on tank all the time then there is a problem, but at this point I don't see that. The balance problems I do see is proto swarms blowing up tanks and dropships left and right from out of nowhere.

TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.08.13 01:03:00 - [41] - Quote Ragin DaCajun wrote: [quote=Lurchasaurus] OK carry on then because CCP has lots of tears to collect so get to it and feed your overlords. fuel for my dropship
William HBonney Imperfects Negative-Feedback 318	Posted - 2012.08.13 01:17:00 - [42] - Quote The reason for tanks seeming so OP is the fact that we have very little teamwork and very glitchy AV choices...The proto swarms have been known to glitch up and many a times the rockets are ******** and hit the ground behind the tank....With the new build I do think tanks will be much less a threat...why? Groups...a tank that is crazy effective has 3 people in it...three people tank hunting can tear up a tank fast...assuming Swarms are fixed. Second is the AV gernade...if they have a delay before they explode, like they do now...you could "stick" 3 AV gernades on a tank before the first one blows...that means the tank will take 6000 dmg before he thinks to run for cover. The unlimitted ammo of tanks is annoying especially now that they "nerfed" nanohives. We will have to wait and see what the new patch has in store, but I think tanks will be a little riskier to try and call in.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.13 01:36:00 - [43] - Quote youll be able to drain the capacitors of vehicles and just shut the tanks turrets down. cant move or fire with no energy.
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.08.13 03:02:00 - [44] - Quote Next build is next week so we can talk about HAVS then after we get all the new toys
Needless Sacermendor 98	Posted - 2012.08.13 12:52:00 - [45] - Quote Bhal Jhor wrote: Ragin DaCajun wrote: Now the argument about once grouping is implemented the tanks rein of terror will end is utter BS too. Do you think the tanks don't have friends that will group up with them and help them out. If they can dominate alone right now imagine when they have their friends helping them that know each others play style. Seems to me that the grouping thing will cancel out each side and the Tanks if they are indeed OP will still be OP. You'll have your friends and they will have their friends. The team that comes out on top will be the one with better composition and execution. If the game becomes tank on tank all the time then there is a problem, but at this point I don't see that. The balance problems I do see is proto swarms blowing up tanks and dropships left and right from out of nowhere. Your final point is answered by your first point ! Proto swarms are ment to blow up tanks and dropships, used properly they will appear to come from nowhere because you can launch in any direction to avoid obstacles or just to divert the path so the pilot can't pinpoint you, we have less armor and less damage than the proto forge gun which you should be able to detect hits and direction but that's been bugged this build. When you say better composition and execution I say a good composition will know how to fit a triple complex damage mod proto swarm fit and a good execution will be able to use that we'll enough to divert attention from his position and stay alive best he can. Also this better composition and execution would include building a better dropship fitting capable of withstanding a few swarm vollies and piloting it well enough to crash enough swarms into buildings and pipes. I've seen plenty of ships dodge my swarms, go out of draw distance and circle round to squish me out of nowhere. The balance is there but it would presumably take an advanced dropships with a heafty tank to stand up to a proto swarm with triple complex damage mods, maximum damage would take maximum tank to survive, same as it takes a decent assault rifle to take down a well tanked proto assault suit.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.13 13:02:00 - [46] - Quote Or the HAV could just 1 shot that dude with the Proto swarm, and mince your fully tanked up drop ship in 2. Why don't people get it. Never know, all the dudes in the HAV might have forge guns. Seeing as general infantry is garbage vs proper HAV. Counter to 12 Heavies split between 4HAV... Oh dear...
Grimm Trip Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 12	Posted - 2012.08.13 13:12:00 - [47] - Quote Another useless protoman fanboy thread. Pretty sure ccp is aware of the tank problem, if there even is one...
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.08.13 17:41:00 - [48] - Quote Grimm Trip wrote: Another useless protoman fanboy thread. Pretty sure ccp is aware of the tank problem, if there even is one... My fans are awesome, but my heart goes out to all the haters. Keep it classic
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.13 18:05:00 - [49] - Quote I love the way the OP said "don't really like Proto, but he proves his points in game" which somehow translates to Protoman fanboy. Still waiting on a counter to 4 Marauder and 12 forge/SMG heavies. I might be waiting a while...
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.08.13 21:04:00 - [50] - Quote If swarm lock-on glitch was fixed. Also once we have webifiers, cap-drainers, and jammers/damps/disruptors it will be easier to pin a tank down so it can't go and repair or kill the av guys. General infantry will benefit from homing av grenades. If they seem overpowered after we have this stuff then nerf, nerf now then add this stuff later and tanks may need a buff. The marauders are like the tech 2 assault frigates, other coming tanks will fill specialized roles(like the black ops hav).

Quiverous Dark Harlequin 37	Posted - 2012.08.13 21:54:00 - [51] - Quote I've been reading this thread and I'm a bit confuddled. Started as a gripe about the immature community we have here, all epeen and no integrity. Then expanded into the discussion about tanks: to nerf or love. However that's partially the posters fault by opening with an example, rather than a statement, and following with the example. I disagree with the idea that we as a community are selfish, narrowminded and trying to hold a game back because we don't want our advantage taken away from us. The fact that we are sitting week in, week out proves we are not selfish, it's not like we're getting paid. Also the passion with which people post should speak volumes on our dedication to the cause, it certainly causes enough strife. As for the tanks, have you any idea how many ways to nueter or destroy them there or will be. I have seen the mods coming.
Pezz IsDank Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 171	Posted - 2012.08.13 22:04:00 - [52] - Quote Marauder tanks that are well fit are ridiculous. I only played a few matches over the course of the last few weekends and wow, every time I'm rusty as hell, barely remembering the controls and I jump in my sagaris and roll around getting free kills with no worry. Only real legit worry are prototype forge guns, swarm launchers tickle me, actually regen about as fast as a single SL user damages me and that's without any mods that increase shield regen.. 2x 25% shield reduction mods + damage control ftw. I enjoyed my free kills, only deaths I get in my tank are from passing the redline and forgetting to reverse in time. Oh well, 90k gone, get another.. still easily make enough to buy another couple lol. Personally I do think it's hard to tell where tanks are in terms of OPness until grouping is implemented and prices for tanks go up. As it stands they're so cheap that they're entirely too good, barely costs more than my prototype suit but like 10x more efficient. On the flip side, when I put on my AV pants and use the proto SL with a friend focused on the same thing, we generally clear the field pretty quick. Weak fit vehicles are always easy to kill though. - James5955
sendeth KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 45	Posted - 2012.08.14 15:20:00 - [53] - Quote STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: Unit-775 wrote: Ragin DaCajun wrote: I keep reading these posts from Protoman about how it takes him no skill what so ever in his tank while getting 100 kills in a match and they are OP. Its more like a problem of redlining the enemy team and spawn camping with tanks. This is the actual problem. agreed. this is not about tanks at all. if you can't kill someone before their screen is even loading then he doesn't get tons of kills. period. sure he still gets some, but nothing like he has been. i for one am surprised and disapointed ccp has let it go on this long. spawn killing is cheap and ruins the game making it not fun and making people quit the game. it's not that fun for the attackers either. the best games are where both teams are about even in points.
Alshadow Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 71	Posted - 2012.08.14 15:25:00 - [54] - Quote Ragin DaCajun wrote: I keep reading these posts from Protoman about how it takes him no skill what so ever in his tank while getting 100 kills in a match and they are OP. Which I've seen in matches against him and as his gunner once. I used to think he was just another tanker douche but now realize he was trying to prove a point in the BETA. Of course he might actually still be a douche just not a " please keep my tank OP douche" like I thought he might be before. Then I see other people arguing that it's BS and there is nothing wrong with the tanks. They say it's because there is no team work against the tanks or comms use for teamwork. Then they say just wait until team grouping is added next patch and it will be different. To me the more unselfish poster trying to make the game better and more balanced for everyone is the one who has proven his point on the battlefield and then stated that something he abuses by getting 100 kill matches in the Beta is OP and should be balanced better is more unselfish. It just looks to me the other ones are trying to defend that it's not OP because they like how it is and want it to stay the same to keep their over inflated E-peen KDR stats and not balance the game. This kind of selfish crap is what kills a game and makes the community disappear. Now the argument about once grouping is implemented the tanks rein of terror will end is utter BS too. Do you think the tanks don't have friends that will group up with them and help them out. If they can dominate alone right now imagine when they have their friends helping them that know each others play style. Seems to me that the grouping thing will cancel out each side and the Tanks if they are indeed OP will still be OP. Hey people this game like every game is supposed to be, for everyone not just you. So try to help make it that way and not whine to get what you want that will make it benefit you only but the community as a whole. Selfish players is what kills good games and the community. This game has lots of potential so don't help to ruin it before it has a chance. It's a shame to see good game die because of this just like MAG, so much potential but in the end a fractured selfish community. so fkn what if the tank has friends... whats he gonna do bring in a crew of tanks, while my team would aparently have zero tanks? if BOTH teams have tanks, AV guys dont get all the attention anymore and then they can fk the tanks up
Corban Lahnder ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2012.08.14 15:39:00 - [55] - Quote Guys dont forget in the next build theres going to be greater map variance. I have found that when out in the open hordes of people with basic swarm launchers and can overwhelm marauders. However when a marauder can find cover under the two main hangars on the skirmish map or under the table top. Its damn near impossible to kill them. With greater map variance the value of vehicles will change. Were not going to be stuck on Plateau for ever.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.08.14 15:43:00 - [56] - Quote Ragin DaCajun wrote: * WALL OF TEXT * . No. I'm just saying that the best tanks only SEEM overpowered, because they are not being countered correctly most of the times. And I'm only saying this because I've SEEN great tanks being killed EASILY, several times, whenever the enemy team manages to coordinate a defence against them. Nerfing tanks on the base of this beta would make them incredibly UNDER powered when teamplay finally kicks in. In fact, considering the rumoured price hike, they are already potentially under powered, as most tanks already die very easily when under a coordinated assault.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.08.14 15:45:00 - [57] - Quote Corban Lahnder wrote: With greater map variance the value of vehicles will change. Were not going to be stuck on Plateau for ever. Exactly. Plataeus is only one small installation we'll find in the main maps. In fact Plataeus is a small map overall.
Iceyburnz 316	Posted - 2012.08.14 15:47:00 - [58] - Quote Dewie Cheecham wrote: Corban Lahnder wrote: With greater map variance the value of vehicles will change. Were not going to be stuck on Plateau for ever. Exactly. Plataeus is only one small installation we'll find in the main maps. In fact Plataeus is a small map overall. They are adding that little section of plateau to the map seeding system, so it will be in game but as part of larger maps. Drop ship pilots are going to be needed. Not to park on top of towers but to actually transport people across the 2-4 km of map.


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