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Luxuro
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Posted - 2012.08.10 05:28:00 -
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I feel like the gap between the new players and the beta players is going to be bad for this game. Beta players will most likely be better in all skill aspects while the new players will have poor defense and attack, so new players are going to have to deal with a lot of deaths before they will stand a chance. |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.08.10 05:32:00 -
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we're gonna get our skillpoints and isk taken away before the game goes live.
but even if we didn't, i don't think it would be that game breaking. it's not like all the beta players are gonna get together and conquer planets as one unified entity. a high skillpoint player on one team is likely to end up countered by a high skillpoint player on the other team. so it's a wash.
and then you gotta consider what % of "live" players will the beta testers make up? this might turn into worrying about killing fish by pissing in the atlantic. |
Dalton Smithe
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2012.08.10 05:37:00 -
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Luxuro wrote:I feel like the gap between the new players and the beta players is going to be bad for this game. Beta players will most likely be better in all skill aspects while the new players will have poor defense and attack, so new players are going to have to deal with a lot of deaths before they will stand a chance.
It's not going to be that big of a deal. People have a way of adapting to play styles. Yeah, there is going to be a learning curve for the people just fresh to the game, but like every game that comes out, they will adapt just like everyone who picks up a new game. |
Xanik Motiff
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.10 05:40:00 -
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some people have this thing about them where they are all successful in FPSs |
W0olley
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.10 05:46:00 -
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Dust gameplay isn't hard. It's actually pretty easy. |
Luxuro
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Posted - 2012.08.10 05:47:00 -
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Wow, didn't know we would be getting our skill points and isk taken away. Good point, teams would of still been balanced, even if one on one battles aren't. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.10 05:53:00 -
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Everybody was new at somepoint.
You're going have to learn how to breath before you can run. |
Cameron StarGazer
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Posted - 2012.08.10 06:08:00 -
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If my SP get taken away, no biggie, learned a lot of lessions on what my SP should not be spent on. |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.10 06:41:00 -
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Luxuro wrote:I feel like the gap between the new players and the beta players is going to be bad for this game. Beta players will most likely be better in all skill aspects while the new players will have poor defense and attack, so new players are going to have to deal with a lot of deaths before they will stand a chance.
Its a clean slate for everyone on full release dude, everything gets wiped apart from your merc name. All spent aurum gets refunded for one last time too. Just like at the beginning of every new build |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.10 06:46:00 -
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http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/276/060/10e.jpg
They can join Corps and learn |
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Saiibot
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.10 07:23:00 -
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Whats going to be the REAL challenge is new players having to learn the UI. How to measure skills, which skill accommodate the others most effectively, the balancing of cpu and pg etc. Those who have been playing the beta for awhile will have a distinct advantage in that area, and since the rpg elements play an integral role in the quality of the product that is put out onto the battlefield, that will cause alot of newbies getting pwned early n often! I hope it won't be a deterrent to stick around n learn, n get better for the majority of them, but it definitely will for some. of them.  |
Grimm Tripp
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.10 09:42:00 -
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Luxuro wrote:Wow, didn't know we would be getting our skill points and isk taken away. Good point, teams would of still been balanced, even if one on one battles aren't.
Seriously? You didnt know that they would take away everything you earned in a BETA? Wow.... Welcome to gaming. |
Dillan NightStorm
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.10 09:50:00 -
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Luxuro wrote:I feel like the gap between the new players and the beta players is going to be bad for this game. Beta players will most likely be better in all skill aspects while the new players will have poor defense and attack, so new players are going to have to deal with a lot of deaths before they will stand a chance.
LOL what makes you think this batch of Beta players would be a benefit to any fight if they cant even prevent a spawn camp at their own base? |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.08.10 11:37:00 -
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OP should join Sisters of Eve |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.08.10 11:42:00 -
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Dillan NightStorm wrote:Luxuro wrote:I feel like the gap between the new players and the beta players is going to be bad for this game. Beta players will most likely be better in all skill aspects while the new players will have poor defense and attack, so new players are going to have to deal with a lot of deaths before they will stand a chance. LOL what makes you think this batch of Beta players would be a benefit to any fight if they cant even prevent a spawn camp at their own base?
what makes you think this batch of beta players wouldn't be a benefit to any fight when they spawn camp the enemy base so effectively?
takes 2 to tango... for everybody that gets destroyed, there's a guy destroying him. and that guy is a beta player also... |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.10 12:41:00 -
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Grimm Tripp wrote:Luxuro wrote:Wow, didn't know we would be getting our skill points and isk taken away. Good point, teams would of still been balanced, even if one on one battles aren't. Seriously? You didnt know that they would take away everything you earned in a BETA? Wow.... Welcome to gaming.
They can't wipe the experience we got from playing the beta though, that's what's most important. While noobs will be saying 'how do I equip this and that to my dropsuit?' and 'what is PG and CPU?'.......we'll have the drop on their a$$e$ :) |
SoLJae
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:02:00 -
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Luxuro wrote:I feel like the gap between the new players and the beta players is going to be bad for this game. Beta players will most likely be better in all skill aspects while the new players will have poor defense and attack, so new players are going to have to deal with a lot of deaths before they will stand a chance.
Won't be a problem, as previously stated, we will all get wiped before official release. I think it will be great fun seeing all the Beta vets runnin around the first few days in their flimsy miltia gear. The only advantage that the vets will have is experience and that could be said about any online game |
VigSniper101
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:49:00 -
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Happens in every game...those that get early access will have an advantage of those that came late.....just from practice alone. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:52:00 -
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Sooo just for fun imagine we're 6months in now (1.5 months since build started). So after 6 months it's fairly reasonable that everyone will be on 10mil SP. Some more, a few less.
What about new players then? IMHO try will simply quit. Problem is it will take 2 months to become "decent" like 3-4 mil SP. At that point you start being much more evenly matched.
It's something people have mentioned in a few threads. Everyone seems to just enjoy eating noobs too much to be objective about it.
2 months is a long time goin negative.... |
Zen Nar
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:55:00 -
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I'm sure they will have Noob friendly area where people with new clones with low skill points will be able to duke it out until they get the hang of it and play with the big boys. |
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Pavel Monfreid
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:07:00 -
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I remember a few weeks ago we were asking for a target range to test effective weapon ranges on. I just wanted to be sure to thank CCP for the update this week. Last night I was able to test AV combat against Surya's and drop ships and I'm quite pleased with the results. I plan to continue testing with the new target range that looks a lot like the skirmish map.  |
Naturi Riclenore
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.10 15:34:00 -
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Luxuro wrote:I feel like the gap between the new players and the beta players is going to be bad for this game. Beta players will most likely be better in all skill aspects while the new players will have poor defense and attack, so new players are going to have to deal with a lot of deaths before they will stand a chance.
I wouldn't say the Beta players will be better in ALL skill aspects, but we will have a better understanding of how things work. For instance, if you are comming from another FPS, that portion of the game shouldn't be too difficult to understand for someone new. Or if you are comming from EVE, you will have a better understanding of things like loadouts. A person who comes from a team objective based game will have a better understanding of that aspect of the game. It just depends on where you are comming from.
With that said, there will be a wipe of our ISK / SP / Gear before the game goes live. We get to keep our names, but everything else gets reset back to 0 (if you have merc pack, you get that back as well). So starting out, the only thing that will be a defining factor is how fast a person gets past the learning curve. And next build is bringing skill based matches which will also be in the official release. I have a feeling CCP is probably going to put beta testers in a different skill group for a bit so that the noobies don't jsut get slaughtered.
Now what the beta testers will have is advanced knowledge of game mechanics and wise ways to spend the ISK / SP. Also, we will have more optimal loadouts since we will have a better sense of how to optimize them. But if you are comming from EVE, you will also have advanced knowledge of Loadouts.
I decided to give EVE a try, and even the loadout screen for your ship looks almost identical to the one in DUST. Even the captain quarters are similar to the ones in DUST. Not ever having played EVE, I caught on pretty quick. So for EVE players, the learning curve for various portions of DUST will be close to 0.
Off-topic: I was going through the menu last night, and saw a "tutorials" section under options. Didn't have a chance to try it out, but has that always been there? And if so, how did I miss it?  |
Mike Gunnzito
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Posted - 2012.08.10 15:43:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Sooo just for fun imagine we're 6months in now (1.5 months since build started). So after 6 months it's fairly reasonable that everyone will be on 10mil SP. Some more, a few less.
What about new players then? IMHO try will simply quit. Problem is it will take 2 months to become "decent" like 3-4 mil SP. At that point you start being much more evenly matched.
It's something people have mentioned in a few threads. Everyone seems to just enjoy eating noobs too much to be objective about it.
2 months is a long time goin negative....
Agreed. Hopefully upon release, CCP will have level/team balancing incorporated for high sec. |
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