Would you all calm the hell down?

We are not here to post raging threads about whether or not FPS players are any better than Eve players or vise versa. We are here to test the game and assist CCP (who will make the final decision anyways, not us) in developing Dust 514 into the best game possible.

I'm an Eve Online player with almost 5 years experience in pvp, industry and now dabbling into trade. But I am also a dedicated Halo fan since the day the first Xbox (that big clunky black box with an giant X on it) hit the market. I have also played Call of Duty, KillZone, Battlefield, Ghost Recon, a little bit of Counter Strike, and Gears of War. But I'm still an Eve Online player by heart. But you don't see me bashing console players, do you?

I want both sides of the fence to work together to make Dust 514 better and unique compared to all the themepark-driven games we have seen so far. There are also MAG players here who want to work with Eve players to help Dust 514 balanced and to avoid going down the dark path that MAG unfortunately went through just like how Eve players want to avoid turning Eve into just another WoW.

My point is that console FPS players and PC Eve players have far more in common than you think. Sure, we have our differences, but that doesn't mean we should act like children and bicker over stupid things like the US Congress.

Also...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will not accept the notion that Eve players should stop first with the asshattery if FPS players want to get along. The exact same thing will be stated for the FPS players being required to stop first with the asshattery.

I kindly request that all of us, both Eve and FPS players stop this at once. It's annoying and childish and serves no purpose than make us look idiotic in the eyes of CCP games and the rest of the gaming community at large assuming CCP decides to lift the NDA and reveals everything we posted here.

Let's just work together to ensure that Dust 514 is balanced and that we keep each other informed about the changes that have happened and what is to happen according to CCP. This is CCP's work after all, not ours as CCP has the final say on how the last brush stroke will be made.

If we keep acting childish and post childish ideas simply because we couldn't settle our damn differences, then obviously Dust 514 will fail because we failed to work together and work on common ground which could've prevented this theoretical disaster.

Is that what you all want? To ruin Dust 514's chances of succeeding? Then all I got to say to that is that is a sign of some sort of mental illness. I mean, what possible gain could there be from doing this? To satisfy our irrelevant e-pride on who is right and who is wrong? To make one side of the fence feel better that they have put down those on the other side of the fence?

Seriously, I'm sick of this. I'm dead serious on this. I'm not joking here.

Dust 514 can only be a great game so long as we respect each others opinions and no wave around our useless e-pride. Dust 514 can only be a major fail if we act like it.

If you want to keep acting like asshats, then at least make sure you save that for in-game lulz like when you scam someone in Jita or when you constantly stab that one dude with the Nova Knife and he has no clue what's happening or when you post on the Fail Heap Challenge forums or on the regular Eve forums or whatever public forum you go to. Save the asshattery for that. The beta forums, a place where CCP looks into for our input on an incomplete game that hasn't even hit the market yet, is not the best place for that.

So let us all settle our differences right here right now and work together to make Dust 514 better than all the other games out there. Let's show the world how themepark games are about to become a thing of the past and that the sandbox is the wave of the future.

Would you all calm the hell down?

We are not here to post raging threads about whether or not FPS players are any better than Eve players or vise versa. We are here to test the game and assist CCP (who will make the final decision anyways, not us) in developing Dust 514 into the best game possible.

I'm an Eve Online player with almost 5 years experience in pvp, industry and now dabbling into trade. But I am also a dedicated Halo fan since the day the first Xbox (that big clunky black box with an giant X on it) hit the market. I have also played Call of Duty, KillZone, Battlefield, Ghost Recon, a little bit of Counter Strike, and Gears of War. But I'm still an Eve Online player by heart. But you don't see me bashing console players, do you?

I want both sides of the fence to work together to make Dust 514 better and unique compared to all the themepark-driven games we have seen so far. There are also MAG players here who want to work with Eve players to help Dust 514 balanced and to avoid going down the dark path that MAG unfortunately went through just like how Eve players want to avoid turning Eve into just another WoW.

My point is that console FPS players and PC Eve players have far more in common than you think. Sure, we have our differences, but that doesn't mean we should act like children and bicker over stupid things like the US Congress.

Also...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will not accept the notion that Eve players should stop first with the asshattery if FPS players want to get along. The exact same thing will be stated for the FPS players being required to stop first with the asshattery.

I kindly request that all of us, both Eve and FPS players stop this at once. It's annoying and childish and serves no purpose than make us look idiotic in the eyes of CCP games and the rest of the gaming community at large assuming CCP decides to lift the NDA and reveals everything we posted here.

Let's just work together to ensure that Dust 514 is balanced and that we keep each other informed about the changes that have happened and what is to happen according to CCP. This is CCP's work after all, not ours as CCP has the final say on how the last brush stroke will be made.

If we keep acting childish and post childish ideas simply because we couldn't settle our damn differences, then obviously Dust 514 will fail because we failed to work together and work on common ground which could've prevented this theoretical disaster.

Is that what you all want? To ruin Dust 514's chances of succeeding? Then all I got to say to that is that is a sign of some sort of mental illness. I mean, what possible gain could there be from doing this? To satisfy our irrelevant e-pride on who is right and who is wrong? To make one side of the fence feel better that they have put down those on the other side of the fence?

Seriously, I'm sick of this. I'm dead serious on this. I'm not joking here.

Dust 514 can only be a great game so long as we respect each others opinions and no wave around our useless e-pride. Dust 514 can only be a major fail if we act like it.

If you want to keep acting like asshats, then at least make sure you save that for in-game lulz like when you scam someone in Jita or when you constantly stab that one dude with the Nova Knife and he has no clue what's happening or when you post on the Fail Heap Challenge forums or on the regular Eve forums or whatever public forum you go to. Save the asshattery for that. The beta forums, a place where CCP looks into for our input on an incomplete game that hasn't even hit the market yet, is not the best place for that.

So let us all settle our differences right here right now and work together to make Dust 514 better than all the other games out there. Let's show the world how themepark games are about to become a thing of the past and that the sandbox is the wave of the future.

http://youtu.be/L2zFmYRbCh0

It becomes a waste of our time Garr. It's frustrating explaining the same thing over and over. And then some idiot turns up "none of it matters. I'm going to OS you all." We just can't be arsed in general. I just have too much time on my hands.

I'm going to let you in on a secret. You touched on it earlier. Probably 90% of those people who say "lol imma OS you" probably has never stepped out of hisec and I bet they would try and bring a BS to OS, and cry sad delicious tears as it gets destroyed by a few frigates. Not to mention the planet based weapons that can fire back.

Just try and remember their name so you can laugh a big hearty laugh when you kill them.

Hell I wouldnt bring a frigate to OS either...

Cost my clone is now abut 500 million isk without implants. 2.3 billion with.

So let us all settle our differences right here right now and work together...

Even though i like this idea, people won't listen. People are always a**holes behind the saftey of the internet

Admitting to being an eve player in game might actually turn out to **** you over once FF is implemented.

You guys feel all big now but wait until you are the minority.

I have not seen that happen so far. I have mentioned to other in game that I am an eve player and I have yet to run into anyone who threatened to gut me like a fish because of that. I have however seen plenty of people threaten others to gut them like a fish in game for either being idiots or just disregarding orders.

But the point you made is what I am trying to bring awareness to. We have far too many people here on both sides of the fence (fps players and eve players alike) who are just too damn concerned about their e-pride rather than working towards a common goal we all share. But if enough players from both sides of the fence truly love the game and want the game to be truly unique and better than everything else, then it will be within their best interest to work together and bring down that fence.

As to the person who posted about some carpenter being nailed onto some wood 2000 years ago: he knew what he was getting into but that sure didn't stop him.

@Crimson,

The Evetards as you so put it, do not speak on my behalf just like how the FPS epeen idiots do not speak on your behalf. But that doesn't mean you are obligated to stoop to their level just as I am not obligated to do that either.

I have no personal beef with you or the fps crowd. I am merely wanting to bring down the divide that separates you and I so that we can work together and make Dust a great game. But if you wish to continue the personal bickering just like the Evetards or just like the FPS Epeen forum warriors, then this discussion between you and me is over.

Most of it honestly is console guys coming in and saying dumb stuff like " add killstreaks " "run faster with a knife" "put jets in the game", etc. These ideas are understandably getting flamed, righteously.

Then you have eve players (such as myself) , asking to put things in that are actually IN eve. The flaming is inevitable because you have a more patient, mature playerbase arguing with another playerbase who wants another fast paced twitch shooter piece of garbage.

Thats a another huge misconception and another reason why eve players come off as smug assholes. Saying one playerbase is more mature then the other is incredibly ignorant. Every playerbase has their tards. Not every console player wants a balistic knife, jets and killstreaks in this game. You generalize us into one category and I have had time believing you are very mature at all.

Right now we are are the minority. In history the minority has almost always been discriminated against unfairly. That's what you have done to us. Some eve players are less mature then the average 12 year old playing CoD and blasting music over the mic.

Haha you definitely need more brains to play EvE then a numpty fps like cod. The reason why i put you all in the same category is because its the people in that category that are requesting the stupidest things, aka killstreaks. Them you have a bunch of idiots saying they'll friendly fire all the eve guys in dust. You can call me ignorant if you want but I really don't care, most of the good ideas are coming from eve players because they actually know New Eden, whereas people coming from a twitch shooter are offering recycled ideas from previous games theyve played.

So you think generalizing people in one category, with an unfair stereotype is acceptable?

Are you a closet racist?

That's the problem though. You do not speak on their behalf. This thread serves no purpose other then optimism.

Some eve players like to try and grief people and that's just how it is. Its not going to stop. New eden thrives on drama, backstabbing and trolling. No amount of optimism is going to change that.


Welcome to new eden.

Uh.... Calling an fps gamer an fps gamer is racist? You'd make a horrible lawyer.

When presented with fact you resort to playing the racist card. Either a bad troll or just really dumb.

Would you all calm the hell down?

We are not here to post raging threads about whether or not FPS players are any better than Eve players or vise versa. We are here to test the game and assist CCP (who will make the final decision anyways, not us) in developing Dust 514 into the best game possible.

I'm an Eve Online player with almost 5 years experience in pvp, industry and now dabbling into trade. But I am also a dedicated Halo fan since the day the first Xbox (that big clunky black box with an giant X on it) hit the market. I have also played Call of Duty, KillZone, Battlefield, Ghost Recon, a little bit of Counter Strike, and Gears of War. But I'm still an Eve Online player by heart. But you don't see me bashing console players, do you?

I want both sides of the fence to work together to make Dust 514 better and unique compared to all the themepark-driven games we have seen so far. There are also MAG players here who want to work with Eve players to help Dust 514 balanced and to avoid going down the dark path that MAG unfortunately went through just like how Eve players want to avoid turning Eve into just another WoW.

My point is that console FPS players and PC Eve players have far more in common than you think. Sure, we have our differences, but that doesn't mean we should act like children and bicker over stupid things like the US Congress.

Also...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will not accept the notion that Eve players should stop first with the asshattery if FPS players want to get along. The exact same thing will be stated for the FPS players being required to stop first with the asshattery.

I kindly request that all of us, both Eve and FPS players stop this at once. It's annoying and childish and serves no purpose than make us look idiotic in the eyes of CCP games and the rest of the gaming community at large assuming CCP decides to lift the NDA and reveals everything we posted here.

Let's just work together to ensure that Dust 514 is balanced and that we keep each other informed about the changes that have happened and what is to happen according to CCP. This is CCP's work after all, not ours as CCP has the final say on how the last brush stroke will be made.

If we keep acting childish and post childish ideas simply because we couldn't settle our damn differences, then obviously Dust 514 will fail because we failed to work together and work on common ground which could've prevented this theoretical disaster.

Is that what you all want? To ruin Dust 514's chances of succeeding? Then all I got to say to that is that is a sign of some sort of mental illness. I mean, what possible gain could there be from doing this? To satisfy our irrelevant e-pride on who is right and who is wrong? To make one side of the fence feel better that they have put down those on the other side of the fence?

Seriously, I'm sick of this. I'm dead serious on this. I'm not joking here.

Dust 514 can only be a great game so long as we respect each others opinions and no wave around our useless e-pride. Dust 514 can only be a major fail if we act like it.

If you want to keep acting like asshats, then at least make sure you save that for in-game lulz like when you scam someone in Jita or when you constantly stab that one dude with the Nova Knife and he has no clue what's happening or when you post on the Fail Heap Challenge forums or on the regular Eve forums or whatever public forum you go to. Save the asshattery for that. The beta forums, a place where CCP looks into for our input on an incomplete game that hasn't even hit the market yet, is not the best place for that.

So let us all settle our differences right here right now and work together to make Dust 514 better than all the other games out there. Let's show the world how themepark games are about to become a thing of the past and that the sandbox is the wave of the future.

The OP didn't need to be that long. Consolidate please.

I agree though, PC vs console players is a stupid argument. Let's talk about how the gun game sucks massive ****.

@Grimm and Crimson,

Take your personal bickering elsewhere.

@CCP

Can you please send a moderator here to clean up the thread? I don't want personal bickering here.

The reason why i put you all in the same category is because its the people in that category that are requesting the stupidest things, aka killstreaks.

When it comes to all the arguing EVE vs FPS, KB&M vs DS3, PC vs Console: If you want to make an omelet you have to brake some eggs, and as far as I understand it, CCP is attempting something that has never been attempted before.
Naturally, the FPS elite will say fail because DUST is too slow or too RPG like - if it does not meet their usual expectations, lets blame the nasty and arrogant EVE players. On the other side of the barricade the vocal minority , mostly null-sec fascists, say fail because they are afraid that their precious chaos and anarchy is being threaten by some more chaos - yes EVE is full of such paradoxes and I guess that's what makes it so fun.

I think the there is no real creativity without some creative tension, you cannot discover new possibilities if you don't risk the impossible - Unfortunately, to the surface observer this unfamiliar pattern usually feels as something wrong.

Well said.

The forum drama isn't as terrible as some people think. Honestly, as long as something beneficial comes from it all. Then I don't mind all the tension.

The problem there is how to keep the tension beneficial. Not too long ago, we just had Eve and FPS players going at each others throats over petty differences. If tension is needed, then we have to make sure that it's the good tension. Otherwise Dust will tear itself apart before it is even finished.

Doesn't the eve forums have tons of bickering and drama on the forums. I would think that ccp is used to developing with people going at each others throat on the forums.

I applaud the intention of the OP to calm things down. After all as Gorge Carlin would say: "War is just a lot of men standing around in a field waving their p ricks at one another. That is why all the rockets and bullets are shaped like d*cks, its the subconscious need to f*ck with other people". All gaming communities seem to follow the same principle. Over the last 20+ years of playing different kind of online games, I have yet to find a forum where players have only gentle pillow fights, and always cuddle afterward . And if they do, the pillows are usually filled with sharp rocks instead of feathers.

I think in that respect the EVE community only differs from any other gaming community in their almost perverse pride in openly admitting: "I love griefing other people, I am lean and mean and I live in a dark universe"
I played EVE for 3 years and it took me almost 2 to get used to this all pervasive macho badassery - especially since I mostly played a carebear industrialist. At some point I simple realized - without those null sec a-holes I wouldn't have anything to do.

On the other hand EVE is one of the most fascinating and steadfast communities that I ever encountered. Many people stop playing EVE for a while and move on to other games, but they always return. I have not been playing for almost 2 years now, because I lacked a more casual game style. But I never stopped following their internal developments and now I came back because of Dust and Factional Warfare revamp. I know some players who do not play anymore but they still visit the EVE funfest in Reykjavik every year. I think that despite all the badass attitudes I encountered in EVE, it is a game that actually inspires loyalty and trust in the long run.

When it comes to all the arguing EVE vs FPS, KB&M vs DS3, PC vs Console: If you want to make an omelet you have to brake some eggs, and as far as I understand it, CCP is attempting something that has never been attempted before.
Naturally, the FPS elite will say fail because DUST is too slow or too RPG like - if it does not meet their usual expectations, lets blame the nasty and arrogant EVE players. On the other side of the barricade the vocal minority, mostly null-sec fascists, say fail because they are afraid that their precious chaos and anarchy is being threaten by some more chaos - yes EVE is full of such paradoxes and I guess that's what makes it so fun.

I think there is no real creativity without some creative tension, you cannot discover new possibilities if you don't risk the impossible - Unfortunately, to the surface observer this unfamiliar pattern usually feels as something wrong.

"There is no way to make people like change. You can only make them feel less threatened by it.GÇ¥ - Frederick O'R. Hayes

Keeping in mind that DUST 514 is not supposed to be your typical FPS, I have a strong faith in CCP being able to successfully accomplish their goal.

If you look around there are not many truly innovative games out there. Most games are becoming mindless grinds and are consumed and spat out by the hungry locust players almost before they are fully released. EA Star Wars The Old Republic is a perfect example of this: A gigantic investment to make an epic game, instead an epic fail of yet another WoW clone.

CCP is actually one of the few companies trying something new. They are fiercely loyal to their players, yes I have no doubt that already includes all their Dust beta testers, and they are not afraid to admit their mistakes. - To those of you truly interested in getting to know CCP as a company I recommend reading about CCP CEO publicly apologizing to EVE players - And it wasn't just some PR stunt, after their apology CCP actually made some major corrections to their development goals and strategy.

Personally I think we have enough people who love telling us how things are and how they should remain. Instead I would like to listen to someone who dares to say how it could be and therefore I bet on CCP. We can help them balancing and improving this game and continue deeper into the rabbit hole or we can simply stay within our comfort zone confident that it is the arrogant players on the other side of the barricade that are ruining my game.

Would you all calm the hell down?

We are not here to post raging threads about whether or not FPS players are any better than Eve players or vise versa. We are here to test the game and assist CCP (who will make the final decision anyways, not us) in developing Dust 514 into the best game possible.

I'm an Eve Online player with almost 5 years experience in pvp, industry and now dabbling into trade. But I am also a dedicated Halo fan since the day the first Xbox (that big clunky black box with an giant X on it) hit the market. I have also played Call of Duty, KillZone, Battlefield, Ghost Recon, a little bit of Counter Strike, and Gears of War. But I'm still an Eve Online player by heart. But you don't see me bashing console players, do you?

I want both sides of the fence to work together to make Dust 514 better and unique compared to all the themepark-driven games we have seen so far. There are also MAG players here who want to work with Eve players to help Dust 514 balanced and to avoid going down the dark path that MAG unfortunately went through just like how Eve players want to avoid turning Eve into just another WoW.

My point is that console FPS players and PC Eve players have far more in common than you think. Sure, we have our differences, but that doesn't mean we should act like children and bicker over stupid things like the US Congress.

Also...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will not accept the notion that Eve players should stop first with the asshattery if FPS players want to get along. The exact same thing will be stated for the FPS players being required to stop first with the asshattery.

I kindly request that all of us, both Eve and FPS players stop this at once. It's annoying and childish and serves no purpose than make us look idiotic in the eyes of CCP games and the rest of the gaming community at large assuming CCP decides to lift the NDA and reveals everything we posted here.

Let's just work together to ensure that Dust 514 is balanced and that we keep each other informed about the changes that have happened and what is to happen according to CCP. This is CCP's work after all, not ours as CCP has the final say on how the last brush stroke will be made.

If we keep acting childish and post childish ideas simply because we couldn't settle our damn differences, then obviously Dust 514 will fail because we failed to work together and work on common ground which could've prevented this theoretical disaster.

Is that what you all want? To ruin Dust 514's chances of succeeding? Then all I got to say to that is that is a sign of some sort of mental illness. I mean, what possible gain could there be from doing this? To satisfy our irrelevant e-pride on who is right and who is wrong? To make one side of the fence feel better that they have put down those on the other side of the fence?

Seriously, I'm sick of this. I'm dead serious on this. I'm not joking here.

Dust 514 can only be a great game so long as we respect each others opinions and no wave around our useless e-pride. Dust 514 can only be a major fail if we act like it.

If you want to keep acting like asshats, then at least make sure you save that for in-game lulz like when you scam someone in Jita or when you constantly stab that one dude with the Nova Knife and he has no clue what's happening or when you post on the Fail Heap Challenge forums or on the regular Eve forums or whatever public forum you go to. Save the asshattery for that. The beta forums, a place where CCP looks into for our input on an incomplete game that hasn't even hit the market yet, is not the best place for that.

So let us all settle our differences right here right now and work together to make Dust 514 better than all the other games out there. Let's show the world how themepark games are about to become a thing of the past and that the sandbox is the wave of the future.

Looks like a bunch of kids in the recreation ward. "My dad's better than yours blablabla" . "I got this and not you blahblahblah"

Gaikai

I tried using Google Translate, but nothing came up. What does that mean?

Haha you definitely need more brains to play EvE then a numpty fps like cod. The reason why i put you all in the same category is because its the people in that category that are requesting the stupidest things, aka killstreaks. Them you have a bunch of idiots saying they'll friendly fire all the eve guys in dust. You can call me ignorant if you want but I really don't care, most of the good ideas are coming from eve players because they actually know New Eden, whereas people coming from a twitch shooter are offering recycled ideas from previous games theyve played.

What so because im a "stupid" console player my suggestion to stick to dust eve roots are stupid?