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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:55:00 -
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Would you all calm the hell down?
We are not here to post raging threads about whether or not FPS players are any better than Eve players or vise versa. We are here to test the game and assist CCP (who will make the final decision anyways, not us) in developing Dust 514 into the best game possible.
I'm an Eve Online player with almost 5 years experience in pvp, industry and now dabbling into trade. But I am also a dedicated Halo fan since the day the first Xbox (that big clunky black box with an giant X on it) hit the market. I have also played Call of Duty, KillZone, Battlefield, Ghost Recon, a little bit of Counter Strike, and Gears of War. But I'm still an Eve Online player by heart. But you don't see me bashing console players, do you?
I want both sides of the fence to work together to make Dust 514 better and unique compared to all the themepark-driven games we have seen so far. There are also MAG players here who want to work with Eve players to help Dust 514 balanced and to avoid going down the dark path that MAG unfortunately went through just like how Eve players want to avoid turning Eve into just another WoW.
My point is that console FPS players and PC Eve players have far more in common than you think. Sure, we have our differences, but that doesn't mean we should act like children and bicker over stupid things like the US Congress.
Also...
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will not accept the notion that Eve players should stop first with the asshattery if FPS players want to get along. The exact same thing will be stated for the FPS players being required to stop first with the asshattery.
I kindly request that all of us, both Eve and FPS players stop this at once. It's annoying and childish and serves no purpose than make us look idiotic in the eyes of CCP games and the rest of the gaming community at large assuming CCP decides to lift the NDA and reveals everything we posted here.
Let's just work together to ensure that Dust 514 is balanced and that we keep each other informed about the changes that have happened and what is to happen according to CCP. This is CCP's work after all, not ours as CCP has the final say on how the last brush stroke will be made.
If we keep acting childish and post childish ideas simply because we couldn't settle our damn differences, then obviously Dust 514 will fail because we failed to work together and work on common ground which could've prevented this theoretical disaster.
Is that what you all want? To ruin Dust 514's chances of succeeding? Then all I got to say to that is that is a sign of some sort of mental illness. I mean, what possible gain could there be from doing this? To satisfy our irrelevant e-pride on who is right and who is wrong? To make one side of the fence feel better that they have put down those on the other side of the fence?
Seriously, I'm sick of this. I'm dead serious on this. I'm not joking here.
Dust 514 can only be a great game so long as we respect each others opinions and no wave around our useless e-pride. Dust 514 can only be a major fail if we act like it.
If you want to keep acting like asshats, then at least make sure you save that for in-game lulz like when you scam someone in Jita or when you constantly stab that one dude with the Nova Knife and he has no clue what's happening or when you post on the Fail Heap Challenge forums or on the regular Eve forums or whatever public forum you go to. Save the asshattery for that. The beta forums, a place where CCP looks into for our input on an incomplete game that hasn't even hit the market yet, is not the best place for that.
So let us all settle our differences right here right now and work together to make Dust 514 better than all the other games out there. Let's show the world how themepark games are about to become a thing of the past and that the sandbox is the wave of the future. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:40:00 -
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Like I said, I don't give a damn about how you folks act in other places or games. But please keep civility in the Beta Forums on a game that hasn't been finished yet.
If I didn't speak up about this and Dust 514 fails, then I will feel responsible for not trying to keep people civil here.
@Tony
Whatever happens in the Eve forums stays on the Eve forums. It's like Las Vegas. I don't want to get into a debate about that as I am indifferent about who should act civil first because I feel that everyone (not just one side) should start acting civil at the same time if we are to make this unfinished game succeed.
@Abron
You'd be surprised. It's part of our human nature to care about what others think of us even if we never met them in person. Of course, until the game goes live as you said. But the game has not gone live... has it? No. So until then, we have a duty to perform as a community of multiple communities and that is to test Dust 514 and help balance it until completion. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:56:00 -
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EriktheHeartless wrote:http://youtu.be/L2zFmYRbCh0
I'll give you free hugs too, my friend. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.08.07 18:48:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Admitting to being an eve player in game might actually turn out to **** you over once FF is implemented.
You guys feel all big now but wait until you are the minority.
I have not seen that happen so far. I have mentioned to other in game that I am an eve player and I have yet to run into anyone who threatened to gut me like a fish because of that. I have however seen plenty of people threaten others to gut them like a fish in game for either being idiots or just disregarding orders.
But the point you made is what I am trying to bring awareness to. We have far too many people here on both sides of the fence (fps players and eve players alike) who are just too damn concerned about their e-pride rather than working towards a common goal we all share. But if enough players from both sides of the fence truly love the game and want the game to be truly unique and better than everything else, then it will be within their best interest to work together and bring down that fence.
As to the person who posted about some carpenter being nailed onto some wood 2000 years ago: he knew what he was getting into but that sure didn't stop him. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:25:00 -
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@Crimson,
The Evetards as you so put it, do not speak on my behalf just like how the FPS epeen idiots do not speak on your behalf. But that doesn't mean you are obligated to stoop to their level just as I am not obligated to do that either.
I have no personal beef with you or the fps crowd. I am merely wanting to bring down the divide that separates you and I so that we can work together and make Dust a great game. But if you wish to continue the personal bickering just like the Evetards or just like the FPS Epeen forum warriors, then this discussion between you and me is over. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:56:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:@Crimson,
The Evetards as you so put it, do not speak on my behalf just like how the FPS epeen idiots do not speak on your behalf. But that doesn't mean you are obligated to stoop to their level just as I am not obligated to do that either.
I have no personal beef with you or the fps crowd. I am merely wanting to bring down the divide that separates you and I so that we can work together and make Dust a great game. But if you wish to continue the personal bickering just like the Evetards or just like the FPS Epeen forum warriors, then this discussion between you and me is over. That's the problem though. You do not speak on their behalf. This thread serves no purpose other then optimism. Some eve players like to try and grief people and that's just how it is. Its not going to stop. New eden thrives on drama, backstabbing and trolling. No amount of optimism is going to change that. Welcome to new eden.
For someone who sounds so peeved off at Eve players for being arrogant assholes, you sure are acting like them. I guess this conversation between you and me really is over because you sound like the sort of person who thrives of driving a wedge in this community with that attitude of yours.
Also, I never mentioned that I speak for the Eve players. I said they do not speak for me. You read backwards. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:24:00 -
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@Arceus
Yes, it did need a thread. This was something that I felt obligated to do as it was bad for me to keep it all bottled inside my head.
@Benjamin
I agree. It's so sad that there are people (***looking at certain Eve and FPS players***) who just don't seem to set aside their egos for the sake of improving the gaming experience. But we have to move on and push on to bring down the barriers that divide both Eve players and FPS players so that Dust can improve. I don't want CCP to have to lock this thread in any way. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:39:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:The OP didn't need to be that long. Consolidate please.
I agree though, PC vs console players is a stupid argument. Let's talk about how the gun game sucks massive ****.
Sorry, there was no way to consolidate this thought that burst out of my head. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:41:00 -
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@Grimm and Crimson,
Take your personal bickering elsewhere.
@CCP
Can you please send a moderator here to clean up the thread? I don't want personal bickering here. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:03:00 -
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@Kev
Bravo. |
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:31:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Kev Crow wrote:
When it comes to all the arguing EVE vs FPS, KB&M vs DS3, PC vs Console: If you want to make an omelet you have to brake some eggs, and as far as I understand it, CCP is attempting something that has never been attempted before.
Naturally, the FPS elite will say fail because DUST is too slow or too RPG like - if it does not meet their usual expectations, lets blame the nasty and arrogant EVE players. On the other side of the barricade the vocal minority , mostly null-sec fascists, say fail because they are afraid that their precious chaos and anarchy is being threaten by some more chaos - yes EVE is full of such paradoxes and I guess that's what makes it so fun.
I think the there is no real creativity without some creative tension, you cannot discover new possibilities if you don't risk the impossible - Unfortunately, to the surface observer this unfamiliar pattern usually feels as something wrong.
Well said. The forum drama isn't as terrible as some people think. Honestly, as long as something beneficial comes from it all. Then I don't mind all the tension.
The problem there is how to keep the tension beneficial. Not too long ago, we just had Eve and FPS players going at each others throats over petty differences. If tension is needed, then we have to make sure that it's the good tension. Otherwise Dust will tear itself apart before it is even finished. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.08.08 16:30:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:
Looks like a bunch of kids in the recreation ward. "My dad's better than yours blablabla" . "I got this and not you blahblahblah"
That's exactly what we as a community are suppose to address. Such behavior, especially in large doses, is poisonous to the development of the game. Kind of like feeding liquor to a fetus. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.08.08 16:33:00 -
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I tried using Google Translate, but nothing came up. What does that mean? |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.08.09 01:54:00 -
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Quote:What so because im a "stupid" console player my suggestion to stick to dust eve roots are stupid?
@Avenger
Don't add to the flame here. It's not helping anyone. Not you, not me, not anyone. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.08.09 05:08:00 -
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@Sandromin
You are absolutely right. Trying to convince two different groups like the Eve Online (PC) players and the FPS (console) players is the single greatest war of all time. If we as a beta community representing multiple communities set aside our petty differences (all at the same time - no exception) and work together as a single unit with a purpose, then Dust 514 could one day usher in a new era of how players of different play styles see each other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T84nrp08MWo |
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