I know Sov mechanics are a ways off. I also know that 0.0 has a problem with player stations not being destroyable(is that a word?), It might be prudent and fun to add Dust into the equation when you do get around to solving this issue. I will make a simple arguement for it, we are always reffering to us as Dust Marines. Well Spaceborn Marines (No 40k jokes please) are generaly expected to do things like board stations. Its the Scifi equivilent of amphipious landings. Plus it would give Dust Bunnies a chance to break a goo breathers stuff.

I know Sov mechanics are a ways off. I also know that 0.0 has a problem with player stations not being destroyable(is that a word?)

They may not be able to be destroyed but they can be conquered.

The reason players stations can't be destroyed is because they're dockable. They've cornered themselves somewhat on that issue.

You're supposed to be completely safe while docked, and your account is supposed to be preserved when you cancel your sub...

So you can't blow up the station because some 0.0 player who cancelled his account six years ago might still be docked there. :P

True, but I think 0.0 players accept a certain higher level of risk. Heck maybe one of the ways to destroy a station is to blow it up from the inside? Then yes anything you had in there is destroyed.

Thats Eve.


Oh and its freaking happened to me in WH space so if someone whines about docking in a station in null and losing there stuff they can bite me.

True, but I think 0.0 players accept a certain higher level of risk. Heck maybe one of the ways to destroy a station is to blow it up from the inside? Then yes anything you had in there is destroyed.

Thats Eve.


Oh and its freaking happened to me in WH space so if someone whines about docking in a station in null and losing there stuff they can bite me.

If you see me in game, remind me to tell you about my invasion of a wormhole and the corp that regretted trusting my friend...

lol, no, that isn't EVE. Having all my stuff explode while I am sleeping is unacceptable. Being awake and undocking all my stuff in a Freighter and then getting exploded is EVE.

It could be an option to temporarily disable station services instead of destroying the station. That could make Dust useful in sov warfare. Disable the fitting service and suddenly people have to load up modules in their cargohold and either fly to another station or rendezvous with a carrier ti change their loadout. Disable the clone service and pilots that have been podded have to respawn elsewhere, making it take longer to return to the fight with a new ship. It wouldn't even have to be long outages. Even an hour without fitting or cloning could turn the tide in a large fight. Last night I was in a brawl in 49- where over 2000 ships were destroyed. A very large number of those were people who died and came back in reinforcement fleets. Any delay would have a huge impact on the outcome.

That might be a bit much, but it's more viable than blowing up the station. Besides, if you're taking sov you probably want the station intact anyway. They currently cost around 22 billion to build.

A POS is different from a station and corp theft is different too. Your friend could not blow up the POS, with the right roles he could remove fuel, offline stuff, etc... And maybe once the shield was down could do some damage.

Think about an explosion blowing a heavy into space but still being alive and watching it float way and commit suicide to respawn.

Yeah, I really don't want to wake up one day to find I can't fit a ship because someone was bored and put a contract up overnight with no one to defend the station.

I made some suggestions about this last build in this thread.

Instead of resurrecting an old thread, here are the basics

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Straight ISK Faucet: When you conquer a station, some amount of ISK is "looted" and given to the Merc corp that took the station. This could be hard to balance the amount of ISK that makes sense without unbalancing the economy. Also, Eve and DUST working together to trade a station back and forth to farm ISK would be bad.

Lootable market: This way, some percentage of all of the items placed on the market are able to be taken and looted. This way, if people try to firesell their stuff or are active in the market but not paying attention to the SOV changes, they would lose their stuff. Also, an inactive player with stuff in a hanger would still be safe.

Lootable CORP hangers: My favorite, only stuff in corp hangers is loot able. This way only corps with dumb/lazy directors would really lose much, but the possibility to get some really really great loot is there.

I am not sure how to incentivize the taking of stations for DUST mercs

Straight ISK Faucet: When you conquer a station, some amount of ISK is "looted" and given to the Merc corp that took the station.

Lootable CORP hangers: My favorite, only stuff in corp hangers is loot able. This way only corps with dumb/lazy directors would really lose much, but the possibility to get some really really great loot is there.

EVE Corps hire Dust Mercs to conquer the station. That's easily ISK right there; not even including the SP from the battle itself.

But that means that the ONLY reason for DUST mercs to take a station is if they are HIRED to. I would prefer there be a reason for DUST mercs to hire an EVE corp to support their assault of the station as well. That way it is a two way street.

Well... maybe it would be feasible if a station had materials or factories for creating Dust equipment. I haven't played EVE in 2 years, so I dont really remember how crafting works but if a Dust corp wanted a station solely as a base for pumping out weapons/equipment for themselves (assuming they had EVE miners hired to obtain materials for cost efficiency); it may eventually be possible.

With proper reinforcement timers and appropriate mechanics station destruction is perfectly fine. You're taking a risk having it there as it is (you could lose control of the station and be unable to dock). CCP has already mentioned an interest in exploring the possibility of making outposts destructible for the simple fact that there's so bloody many of them these days. Player nullsec used to be mostly empty of stations, but that's not really the case any longer.

Using Dust mercs would certainly be an interesting way to address the issue (and introduce some really fun mechanics; you wanna see cool space-based FPS-ing check out "Shattered Horizon" available cheap on Steam, newtonian physics, very little visual indication of hostiles, and excellent use of 3d space for a fight that would translate well to Dust on the hull of a station.)

With proper reinforcement timers and appropriate mechanics station destruction is perfectly fine. You're taking a risk having it there as it is (you could lose control of the station and be unable to dock). CCP has already mentioned an interest in exploring the possibility of making outposts destructible for the simple fact that there's so bloody many of them these days. Player nullsec used to be mostly empty of stations, but that's not really the case any longer.

Using Dust mercs would certainly be an interesting way to address the issue (and introduce some really fun mechanics; you wanna see cool space-based FPS-ing check out "Shattered Horizon" available cheap on Steam, newtonian physics, very little visual indication of hostiles, and excellent use of 3d space for a fight that would translate well to Dust on the hull of a station.)