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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.04 06:07:00 -
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HAV LAV Dropship questions:
I.e. if the clone with L5 in shields and armour spawns a HAV LAV or Dropship and ANOTHER clone uses it does the shields and armour stay at the same numbers or do they vary??
I.e. HAV with 7000 hp shields and 2000 hp armour gets called in by a clone with L5 elite skills but this clone dies and a total NOOB clone with NO HAV SKILLS gets in and drives the HAV.
Does the HAV stay at the same numbers as when it was spawned or will it VARY depending on who drives it??
There is no spoon only the clone. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.05 10:58:00 -
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bump. |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.05 11:02:00 -
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No this is how you bump http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qVeybz6eE10 |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
583
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Posted - 2012.08.05 11:33:00 -
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Skills that boost the attributes of a vehicle such as Mechanic or Shield Operation, are applied by the PILOT of the vehicle, regardless of who calls it in. This is why those stats are not reflected in the fitting screen and are only applied one the pilot enters the vehicle. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.08.05 12:41:00 -
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TBH anyone can hack the vehicle but if you dont have the skills to drive it or use the mods on it then really you shouldnt be allowed to get in it or use those mods |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.05 12:44:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:TBH anyone can hack the vehicle but if you dont have the skills to drive it or use the mods on it then really you shouldnt be allowed to get in it or use those mods
Why not if someone is dumb enough to leave their vehicle while it still has a lot of health, they deserve to get it taken no matter what skills |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.08.05 12:46:00 -
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vermacht Doe wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:TBH anyone can hack the vehicle but if you dont have the skills to drive it or use the mods on it then really you shouldnt be allowed to get in it or use those mods Why not if someone is dumb enough to leave their vehicle while it still has a lot of health, they deserve to get it taken no matter what skills
Nope
If you have no vehicle skills trained up why should you be able to drive that maurader? |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.05 12:48:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:TBH anyone can hack the vehicle but if you dont have the skills to drive it or use the mods on it then really you shouldnt be allowed to get in it or use those mods Why not if someone is dumb enough to leave their vehicle while it still has a lot of health, they deserve to get it taken no matter what skills Nope If you have no vehicle skills trained up why should you be able to drive that maurader?
Because someone left it around for the taking. I at least make sure it's about to explode before bailing |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.08.05 12:53:00 -
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vermacht Doe wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:TBH anyone can hack the vehicle but if you dont have the skills to drive it or use the mods on it then really you shouldnt be allowed to get in it or use those mods Why not if someone is dumb enough to leave their vehicle while it still has a lot of health, they deserve to get it taken no matter what skills Nope If you have no vehicle skills trained up why should you be able to drive that maurader? Because someone left it around for the taking. I at least make sure it's about to explode before bailing
But you cant drive that maurader because you dont have any vehicle skills, like in EVE you can fly a rifter but buy a Drake and if you dont have the skills you cant fly it |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.05 12:56:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:TBH anyone can hack the vehicle but if you dont have the skills to drive it or use the mods on it then really you shouldnt be allowed to get in it or use those mods Why not if someone is dumb enough to leave their vehicle while it still has a lot of health, they deserve to get it taken no matter what skills Nope If you have no vehicle skills trained up why should you be able to drive that maurader? Because someone left it around for the taking. I at least make sure it's about to explode before bailing But you cant drive that maurader because you dont have any vehicle skills, like in EVE you can fly a rifter but buy a Drake and if you dont have the skills you cant fly it
Can you also take abandoned ships in eve? |
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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.08.05 13:01:00 -
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I havnt tried it tbh
Then again i dont see many abandoned ships tbh unless its in PVE missions and you cant take em as far as i know |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.05 13:06:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:I havnt tried it tbh
Then again i dont see many abandoned ships tbh unless its in PVE missions and you cant take em as far as i know
So a comparison to eve doesn't apply |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.08.05 13:23:00 -
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vermacht Doe wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:I havnt tried it tbh
Then again i dont see many abandoned ships tbh unless its in PVE missions and you cant take em as far as i know So a comparison to eve doesn't apply
It can still apply
I would still think that a rifter pilot who hasnt got Drake skills still cannot fly a drake even if its abandoned, im just not going to try it out
You have no skills to drive it, why should you be allowed to? |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.05 13:27:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:I havnt tried it tbh
Then again i dont see many abandoned ships tbh unless its in PVE missions and you cant take em as far as i know So a comparison to eve doesn't apply It can still apply I would still think that a rifter pilot who hasnt got Drake skills still cannot fly a drake even if its abandoned, im just not going to try it out You have no skills to drive it, why should you be allowed to?
Because it was abandoned and it's not like you get to keep the vehicle after the match, just until it explodes |
Unit-775
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.08.05 13:28:00 -
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vermacht Doe wrote:
Can you also take abandoned ships in eve?
you can-Št board ships you cant fly.
and you need the skills to use the weapons and modules or they go offline the moment you board the ship |
Grit Breather
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.05 14:38:00 -
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Back to the OP...
I have another question about turrets.
Say I have a dropship with proto turrets and a gunner boards who doesn't have any turret skills.
It's the pilot's dropship but the gunner's shooting. Which one of them affects the turret? Pilot or gunner?
While the easy answer is the gunner, I'm not entirely sure that is the best solution. I think it should be a mixture of both but I really don't know tbh. |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
278
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Posted - 2012.08.05 15:17:00 -
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Unit-775 wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:
Can you also take abandoned ships in eve?
you can-Št board ships you cant fly. and you need the skills to use the weapons and modules or they go offline the moment you board the ship
This is the truth, if you don't know how to use it, then you can't use the damned thing. It's like some guy at mcdonalds hopping behind the controls of a boing 747 and trying to fly it all by himself.
NO. |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.05 15:20:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Unit-775 wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:
Can you also take abandoned ships in eve?
you can-Št board ships you cant fly. and you need the skills to use the weapons and modules or they go offline the moment you board the ship This is the truth, if you don't know how to use it, then you can't use the damned thing. It's like some guy at mcdonalds hopping behind the controls of a boing 747 and trying to fly it all by himself. NO.
That example is made null by the fact that no skill is required for militia vehicles. So it would be more like a pilot going from one high capacity plane to another one with a lower crash rate.
Ps you can't tell me no if the game already allows it |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
278
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Posted - 2012.08.05 15:22:00 -
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vermacht Doe wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Unit-775 wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:
Can you also take abandoned ships in eve?
you can-Št board ships you cant fly. and you need the skills to use the weapons and modules or they go offline the moment you board the ship This is the truth, if you don't know how to use it, then you can't use the damned thing. It's like some guy at mcdonalds hopping behind the controls of a boing 747 and trying to fly it all by himself. NO. That example is made null by the fact that no skill is required for militia vehicles. So it would be more like a pilot going from one high capacity plane to another one with a lower crash rate. Ps you can't tell me no if the game already allows it
Till next build. 
Sure, you can hack my LLV, but next build, you better have someone who invested the 2 million sp + sp for the mods to drive it. :) |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
416
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Posted - 2012.08.05 15:31:00 -
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you CAN take abandoned ships in eve. though i dunno if you can take them without the minimum skill requirements. |
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Leovarian L Lavitz
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.05 15:33:00 -
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Buzzwords wrote:you CAN take abandoned ships in eve. though i dunno if you can take them without the minimum skill requirements.
To fly any ship in eve you must have the skills to fly it. If you come across an abandoned ship, and you don't have the skills to fly it, you cannot take it.
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SGT Garrisson
On The Brink
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Posted - 2012.08.05 15:34:00 -
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TBH anyone can hack the vehicle
and Why not if someone is dumb enough to leave their vehicle while it still has a lot of health, they deserve to get it taken no matter what skills
Nope
If you have no vehicle skills trained up why should you be able to drive that maurader
Because someone left it around for the taking. I at least make sure it's about to explode before bailing
But you cant drive that maurader because you dont have any vehicle skills, like in EVE you can fly a rifter but buy a Drake and if you dont have the skills you cant fly it
Can you also take abandoned ships in eve?
yes u can take abbandoned ships in eve BUT U NEED TO HAVE THE SKILLS TO FLY ITu cant even board the abbandoned ship if u dont have the skill
so yea let them hack it but then they have to defend it till a team member with the maurader skill turns up to drive off in it
hacknig it would slow the owner down when the returned for it
i did quote some of u guys but wouldnt let me post it |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.05 15:42:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Unit-775 wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:
Can you also take abandoned ships in eve?
you can-Št board ships you cant fly. and you need the skills to use the weapons and modules or they go offline the moment you board the ship This is the truth, if you don't know how to use it, then you can't use the damned thing. It's like some guy at mcdonalds hopping behind the controls of a boing 747 and trying to fly it all by himself. NO. That example is made null by the fact that no skill is required for militia vehicles. So it would be more like a pilot going from one high capacity plane to another one with a lower crash rate. Ps you can't tell me no if the game already allows it Till next build. Sure, you can hack my LLV, but next build, you better have someone who invested the 2 million sp + sp for the mods to drive it. :)
We'll see if they do it or not
U gonna be mad if they don't? |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
278
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Posted - 2012.08.05 15:45:00 -
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vermacht Doe wrote:
We'll see if they do it or not
U gonna be mad if they don't?
No, but I'll keep pushing for it.
Or, they let us hop into the dropsuits of people we kill and make off with all their proto gear.
Not like it takes any skills to pull up a zipper |
Drake Tsuka
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.08.05 16:44:00 -
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just to confirm in eve you cant take an abandoned ship unless you have the skills to fly it
and with dust if anyone can just enter and drive any vehicle then the people that invest so much isk and sp in training the vehicles should be refunded and the vehicle skill books should be removed from the market |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.05 17:01:00 -
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Drake Tsuka wrote:just to confirm in eve you cant take an abandoned ship unless you have the skills to fly it
and with dust if anyone can just enter and drive any vehicle then the people that invest so much isk and sp in training the vehicles should be refunded and the vehicle skill books should be removed from the market
Just like you wouldn't abandon a good ship you shouldn't abandon your vehicle |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2012.08.05 18:26:00 -
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EvE had modules to hack from a distance with ships. In dust you have to hop out to hack. leaving the vehicle vulnerable to teammates.
What if hacked vehicles didn't need skills, but unhacked did. Then the team mate would have to hack the friendly vehicle first. This would give the owner time to hop out hack something and get back in before a teammate leaves with the vehicle, but if the owner dies while hacking or runs off to actually abandon the vehicle it would let a teammate borrow it. An announcement a teammate is hacking would be nice, so if there is a reason(sagaris with no shield left recharching for example) the owner can tell/warn the person trying to get in. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
583
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Posted - 2012.08.05 21:08:00 -
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vermacht Doe wrote:Drake Tsuka wrote:just to confirm in eve you cant take an abandoned ship unless you have the skills to fly it
and with dust if anyone can just enter and drive any vehicle then the people that invest so much isk and sp in training the vehicles should be refunded and the vehicle skill books should be removed from the market Just like you wouldn't abandon a good ship you shouldn't abandon your vehicle
Correct but there are situations in which you can be killed as the vehicle is being called in, whereas in EVE you rarely have a situation where you need to board a ship from in-space directly from a pod, so there is very little chance of being killed before you board your ship. Regardless, I personally believe that if you don't have the skills to operate a vehicle, you should not be able to pilot it, regardless if you hacked it or not. Now perhaps when we get a look at pilot suits, I would not be against the idea of exploring that option a little more, but for now I feel the average joe should not be able to pilot what he lacks the skills to fly/drive.
I also feel that there needs to be more skills directly tied to support turrets, so that people can train up support turret skills that are only applied when they're in those small guns. Myself and a couple other of the more dedicated vehicle pilots have talked to the devs about this, so hopefully we will see these sort of role-specific skills in future builds. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.05 23:52:00 -
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No sp no rideing sounds good.
In 1981 in an airbase some ETA terrorist fools tried to steal some F4 planes but they got as far as sitting in the pilot seat and that was it since they lacked the knowledge to fly them.
And the originator of the term BOHICA came by to lol at the base security.
You have no idea what I mean?
Go google the terms red cell, **** and unodir. |
Bob Deorum
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Posted - 2012.08.06 04:26:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:HAV LAV Dropship questions:
I.e. if the clone with L5 in shields and armour spawns a HAV LAV or Dropship and ANOTHER clone uses it does the shields and armour stay at the same numbers or do they vary??
I.e. HAV with 7000 hp shields and 2000 hp armour gets called in by a clone with L5 elite skills but this clone dies and a total NOOB clone with NO HAV SKILLS gets in and drives the HAV.
Does the HAV stay at the same numbers as when it was spawned or will it VARY depending on who drives it??
There is no spoon only the clone.
this does not work, 100% checked and tested. skills are actively applied to tanks in games just like eve. We also found in testing that modules still stay active tho even if the user can not use them. |
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