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lDocHollidayl Imperfects Negative-Feedback 171	Posted - 2012.08.03 00:37:00 - [1] - Quote If it is critical to testing...by all means. But a swipe every time we get a fix is terrible. I have a lot 25ish million. But if you are testing do you not need a majority of players experiencing and opening all kinds of skills ? Not just a grinding 5%? Then you can add the newer players who are slowing moving up...just to get wiped again when they finally get a comfortable fit? I know some who will straight dropout if they get wiped. I have also spent 25 million points and not one is in any vehicles. My next plan is to go into vehicles but if I am swiped that will not happen. In short, if I am suppose to just play and test lag...wipe away If I am suppose to aid in balancing and experiencing the skill system please stop the pain. (I am leveled so high because I am home from work with an injury) (perhaps wipe us but let us start with 10 million)
ReGnUm DEl Doomheim 622	Posted - 2012.08.03 00:40:00 - [2] - Quote lDocHollidayl wrote: If it is critical to testing...by all means. But a swipe every time we get a fix is terrible. I have a lot 25ish million. But if you are testing do you not need a majority of players experiencing and opening all kinds of skills ? Not just a grinding 5%? Then you can add the newer players who are slowing moving up...just to get wiped again when they finally get a comfortable fit? I know some who will straight dropout if they get wiped. I have also spent 25 million points and not one is in any vehicles. My next plan is to go into vehicles but if I am swiped that will not happen. In short, if I am suppose to just play and test lag...wipe away If I am suppose to aid in balancing and experiencing the skill system please stop the pain. (I am leveled so high because I am home from work with an injury) (perhaps wipe us but let us start with 10 million) wanna q up tonight... oh and I sorta agree with OP
The Polish Hammer Doomheim 373	Posted - 2012.08.03 00:43:00 - [3] - Quote I do agree with OP in that it'd be nice to start out with a decent amount of ISK/SP to get something going after the next wipe.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 206	Posted - 2012.08.03 00:46:00 - [4] - Quote ditto my friend Doc ; i wish i knew the 30 day boosters would of been given back; as id have the same SP :( ; guess i know now, haha
Bresker Veyne Algintal Core Gallente Federation 152	Posted - 2012.08.03 01:04:00 - [5] - Quote You answered your own rant. You're here for testing. If CCP doesn't want you to test the advanced gear anymore, they can snap their fingers and take everything away from you again. This is beta, everyting you do is subject to change. Yes, even that.
theschizogenious KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 167	Posted - 2012.08.03 01:13:00 - [6] - Quote dont forget the part where if they left everything alone then whenever they released new skills all th guys that have high sp reserves could just get them off the bat which would just form a greater rift between the proto players and the new blood. ccp's trying to keep it fair for newer players by doing the wipe because if you joined up like 2 updates down the road with no wipes youd have a snowballs chance in hell of being able to compete with the guys that are day 1 testers. if i was able to have kept my stuff from before they let the guys join in with the E3 build id have full prototype and be rocking a proto sagaris with the other grinders. but they didnt they wiped me so that i wouldnt be able to just start mowing down the newer players.
Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.08.03 01:23:00 - [7] - Quote lDocHollidayl wrote: If it is critical to testing...by all means. But a swipe every time we get a fix is terrible. I have a lot 25ish million. But if you are testing do you not need a majority of players experiencing and opening all kinds of skills ? Not just a grinding 5%? Then you can add the newer players who are slowing moving up...just to get wiped again when they finally get a comfortable fit? I know some who will straight dropout if they get wiped. I have also spent 25 million points and not one is in any vehicles. My next plan is to go into vehicles but if I am swiped that will not happen. In short, if I am suppose to just play and test lag...wipe away If I am suppose to aid in balancing and experiencing the skill system please stop the pain. (I am leveled so high because I am home from work with an injury) (perhaps wipe us but let us start with 10 million) stop whining you big girl. you betad and played enough to know that its needed.
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 711	Posted - 2012.08.03 01:27:00 - [8] - Quote theschizogenious wrote: dont forget the part where if they left everything alone then whenever they released new skills all th guys that have high sp reserves could just get them off the bat which would just form a greater rift between the proto players and the new blood. ccp's trying to keep it fair for newer players by doing the wipe because if you joined up like 2 updates down the road with no wipes youd have a snowballs chance in hell of being able to compete with the guys that are day 1 testers. if i was able to have kept my stuff from before they let the guys join in with the E3 build id have full prototype and be rocking a proto sagaris with the other grinders. but they didnt they wiped me so that i wouldnt be able to just start mowing down the newer players. Hey bro lets q up later!
Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.08.03 01:28:00 - [9] - Quote theschizogenious wrote: dont forget the part where if they left everything alone then whenever they released new skills all th guys that have high sp reserves could just get them off the bat which would just form a greater rift between the proto players and the new blood. ccp's trying to keep it fair for newer players by doing the wipe because if you joined up like 2 updates down the road with no wipes youd have a snowballs chance in hell of being able to compete with the guys that are day 1 testers. if i was able to have kept my stuff from before they let the guys join in with the E3 build id have full prototype and be rocking a proto sagaris with the other grinders. but they didnt they wiped me so that i wouldnt be able to just start mowing down the newer players. lies. just your knowlage is too much.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.08.03 01:29:00 - [10] - Quote lDocHollidayl wrote: If it is critical to testing...by all means. But a swipe every time we get a fix is terrible. I have a lot 25ish million. But if you are testing do you not need a majority of players experiencing and opening all kinds of skills ? Not just a grinding 5%? Then you can add the newer players who are slowing moving up...just to get wiped again when they finally get a comfortable fit? I know some who will straight dropout if they get wiped. I have also spent 25 million points and not one is in any vehicles. My next plan is to go into vehicles but if I am swiped that will not happen. In short, if I am suppose to just play and test lag...wipe away If I am suppose to aid in balancing and experiencing the skill system please stop the pain. (I am leveled so high because I am home from work with an injury) (perhaps wipe us but let us start with 10 million) Gotta agree with you on that one Doc. Or at least the 2 mil ISK and SP we've earned from the last few beta events, as well as the dropsuits we earned from the earlier ones. Just something to start with.

Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.03 01:37:00 - [11] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: lDocHollidayl wrote: If it is critical to testing...by all means. But a swipe every time we get a fix is terrible. I have a lot 25ish million. But if you are testing do you not need a majority of players experiencing and opening all kinds of skills ? Not just a grinding 5%? Then you can add the newer players who are slowing moving up...just to get wiped again when they finally get a comfortable fit? I know some who will straight dropout if they get wiped. I have also spent 25 million points and not one is in any vehicles. My next plan is to go into vehicles but if I am swiped that will not happen. In short, if I am suppose to just play and test lag...wipe away If I am suppose to aid in balancing and experiencing the skill system please stop the pain. (I am leveled so high because I am home from work with an injury) (perhaps wipe us but let us start with 10 million) Gotta agree with you on that one Doc. Or at least the 2 mil ISK and SP we've earned from the last few beta events, as well as the dropsuits we earned from the earlier ones. Just something to start with. after thinking about it, im excited for the wipe. I wouldnt mind having my event sp back tho.
Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 409	Posted - 2012.08.03 01:55:00 - [12] - Quote Funny how some say that this game needs to be more noob friendly and than there are others who want to be able to keep all their stuff after each build I say wipe away let all the new blood start off with the vets. Give people who came in late catch up. Once full release happens and it is the final wipe those that didn't jump in at the start only have themselves to blame for being behind in sp. I understand that people want to test proto gear; so if you have tested one proto item out this build, shoot for others.
lDocHollidayl Imperfects Negative-Feedback 171	Posted - 2012.08.03 01:57:00 - [13] - Quote Why the 4x boost to earnings if not to test stuff? I have a hard time believing the wipe is to "have an even playing field". The 4x boost creates a playing field with a multiplier of 4x possible unevenness. You want even...one would slow it down to minimize the possible point gaping.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.08.03 01:57:00 - [14] - Quote Belzeebub Santana wrote: Funny how some say that this game needs to be more noob friendly and than there are others who want to be able to keep all their stuff after each build I say wipe away let all the new blood start off with the vets. Give people who came in late catch up. Once full release happens and it is the final wipe those that didn't jump in at the start only have themselves to blame for being behind in sp. I understand that people want to test proto gear; so if you have tested one proto item out this build, shoot for others. That's another good point, actually. I think I'm gonna try out Forge Guns this weekend, and then just come up with something else to work with after the wipe. I guess we can hope Laser Rifles are going in, and maybe the other turret types.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.03 01:58:00 - [15] - Quote Belzeebub Santana wrote: Funny how some say that this game needs to be more noob friendly and than there are others who want to be able to keep all their stuff after each build I say wipe away let all the new blood start off with the vets. Give people who came in late catch up. Once full release happens and it is the final wipe those that didn't jump in at the start only have themselves to blame for being behind in sp. I understand that people want to test proto gear; so if you have tested one proto item out this build, shoot for others. that is a good point. so many douchebags more interested in their scores and the leaderboards than actually testing.
Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 409	Posted - 2012.08.03 02:18:00 - [16] - Quote Two "good points" and no +1 I liked to be liked!
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.08.03 02:18:00 - [17] - Quote proto ar's tested at .5 frames per sec
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.08.03 02:20:00 - [18] - Quote Belzeebub Santana wrote: Two "good points" and no +1 I liked to be liked! Took care of that for ya.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.03 02:25:00 - [19] - Quote Belzeebub Santana wrote: Two "good points" and no +1 I liked to be liked! ? what is this? facebook? +1's are used as votes here as far as ive heard
gangsta nachos Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 377	Posted - 2012.08.03 02:26:00 - [20] - Quote I bet this will still happen upon release, and there will still be a lot of slots in the game that still say SOON

TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.08.03 02:30:00 - [21] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Belzeebub Santana wrote: Two "good points" and no +1 I liked to be liked! ? what is this? facebook? +1's are used as votes here as far as ive heard wrong +1
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.03 02:30:00 - [22] - Quote gangsta nachos wrote: I bet this will still happen upon release, and there will still be a lot of slots in the game that still say SOON not a lot, but definitely there will be some. all the important stuff like the EVE link up will be present tho
gangsta nachos Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 377	Posted - 2012.08.03 02:35:00 - [23] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: gangsta nachos wrote: I bet this will still happen upon release, and there will still be a lot of slots in the game that still say SOON not a lot, but definitely there will be some. all the important stuff like the EVE link up will be present tho Think I worded upon release wrong, what I meant to say was months after release
Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 409	Posted - 2012.08.03 02:52:00 - [24] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Belzeebub Santana wrote: Two "good points" and no +1 I liked to be liked! ? what is this? facebook? +1's are used as votes here as far as ive heard I was under impression that it was to support a good point made in a topic? What are we voting on?
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.03 03:13:00 - [25] - Quote It makes sense to have a wipe for every new build, as chances are they have made changes to the skill system, and if they don't wipe everyone, very few people will actually test them out, as no one is going to say "Hey, why don't I just make a new character and start all over again, so I can respec into exactly what my other character is spec'd for, so I can test out the skill system."
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.03 03:15:00 - [26] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Belzeebub Santana wrote: Two "good points" and no +1 I liked to be liked! ? what is this? facebook? +1's are used as votes here as far as ive heard Actually, +1's on forums are commonly "rep" points. Someone with 0 rep is probably not easily recognized and rather new, where as someone with 500 would probably be someone you commonly see all over the forums, and easily recognize.
MUDMASTEI2 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 135	Posted - 2012.08.03 04:08:00 - [27] - Quote This game will fail if everyone stays at a high level. People will play and get demolished from the get-go, delete DUST, and never consider the game again. This will happen eventually, sure, but it being that way off the start would be horrible. This game would have less players in a month or two than current MAG.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.03 04:13:00 - [28] - Quote MUDMASTEI2 wrote: This game will fail if everyone stays at a high level. People will play and get demolished from the get-go, delete DUST, and never consider the game again. This will happen eventually, sure, but it being that way off the start would be horrible. This game would have less players in a month or two than current MAG. Actually, no it wont. It will be much like EVE, their will be newbie things to do that will help give you push into the world, and from there you will rely on finding a way to make money, and finding yourself a Corp to join. Starting off in the world might be hard, but from there, the game will just be awesome.
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 781	Posted - 2012.08.03 04:23:00 - [29] - Quote i hope your injury gets better. It hurts to miss work, even if you have aflac.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.03 04:29:00 - [30] - Quote lemme elaborate so you can understand what i meant.... Lurchasaurus wrote: Belzeebub Santana wrote: Two "good points" and no +1 I liked to be liked! ? LALALA what is this? SPARTA? facebook? +1's are used as votes here and in mexico as far as ive heard through the grapevine

Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 409	Posted - 2012.08.03 04:35:00 - [31] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: lemme elaborate so you can understand what i meant.... Lurchasaurus wrote: Belzeebub Santana wrote: Two "good points" and no +1 I liked to be liked! ? LALALA what is this? SPARTA? facebook? +1's are used as votes here and in mexico as far as ive heard through the grapevine All cleared up, thanks!
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.08.03 05:46:00 - [32] - Quote They don't wipe at every update, only if that update introduces something making the old "skill trees" incompatible, or like last time they wiped (everything), when they merged the EVE and DUST name databases, and had to wipe to avoid duplicate names. Another reason to wipe is to test new builds, where most ate on the same skill level. There will be a wipe at the end of the beta though.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.08.03 06:05:00 - [33] - Quote The x4 skill gain allows testing in 6 months two years of skill gap. New people show up every other week, and the vets have 2 more months of skills then the last time new people came in. So, they get a look at how the gap affects the new player experience. If they even skills out in beta, and not in release the new player experience will be untested. Better they find a problem that makes game unplayable for new guys in beta then after release. So, the new player skill point gap issue is a reason to not wipe, not a reason to wipe. If the build needs a wipe do it, if not we can test more with more skills. I also assume ccp knows what they are doing, so if I can't see why they needed to wipe I'll assume there was a good reason I just don't see.
MUDMASTEI2 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 135	Posted - 2012.08.03 06:07:00 - [34] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: MUDMASTEI2 wrote: This game will fail if everyone stays at a high level. People will play and get demolished from the get-go, delete DUST, and never consider the game again. This will happen eventually, sure, but it being that way off the start would be horrible. This game would have less players in a month or two than current MAG. Actually, no it wont. It will be much like EVE, their will be newbie things to do that will help give you push into the world, and from there you will rely on finding a way to make money, and finding yourself a Corp to join. Starting off in the world might be hard, but from there, the game will just be awesome. No, it won't. This isn't EVE, you can't mine rocks all day and whatever hell you do in that trash. It's DUST, a FPS. You're going to be an a shooter game being shot. No ifs, ands, or buts. People will stand no chance and be demolished by high levels, that's just how DUST is. People will quit if their first experiences in a game consists of having their ass drilled by higher level players. Why you'd try and refute that I have no idea.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.08.03 07:33:00 - [35] - Quote I disagree. Wipes are needed with every major updates of the build. Just so we can test dynamics of the game at every level. Starting from the bottom just like the game shall at release. And add players through special events to have different level then. You're just all getting lazy....
Deskalkulos Ildigan CrimeWave Syndicate 115	Posted - 2012.08.03 07:51:00 - [36] - Quote I agree with the one who said that the player gap would be too damn high for new players. Every major update the playerbase make a jump after which it slowly decreases with people getting uninterested in the current build. If you however let everyone keep their SP they got from previous builds the gap between new and old will be kind of extreme. I have created a new character last weekend for a certain event, that one round in ambush was hell. creodrons mowing me down with little more than two shots, tanks i couldn't scratch with my militia swarm launcher, i can understand if CCP decides to wipe with the next build again.
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.08.03 07:58:00 - [37] - Quote lDocHollidayl wrote: If it is critical to testing...by all means. But a swipe every time we get a fix is terrible. I have a lot 25ish million. But if you are testing do you not need a majority of players experiencing and opening all kinds of skills ? Not just a grinding 5%? Then you can add the newer players who are slowing moving up...just to get wiped again when they finally get a comfortable fit? I know some who will straight dropout if they get wiped. I have also spent 25 million points and not one is in any vehicles. My next plan is to go into vehicles but if I am swiped that will not happen. In short, if I am suppose to just play and test lag...wipe away If I am suppose to aid in balancing and experiencing the skill system please stop the pain. (I am leveled so high because I am home from work with an injury) (perhaps wipe us but let us start with 10 million) Entitled much?


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