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lDocHollidayl
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Posted - 2012.08.03 00:37:00 -
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If it is critical to testing...by all means. But a swipe every time we get a fix is terrible. I have a lot 25ish million. But if you are testing do you not need a majority of players experiencing and opening all kinds of skills ? Not just a grinding 5%? Then you can add the newer players who are slowing moving up...just to get wiped again when they finally get a comfortable fit? I know some who will straight dropout if they get wiped. I have also spent 25 million points and not one is in any vehicles. My next plan is to go into vehicles but if I am swiped that will not happen. In short, if I am suppose to just play and test lag...wipe away If I am suppose to aid in balancing and experiencing the skill system please stop the pain.
(I am leveled so high because I am home from work with an injury) (perhaps wipe us but let us start with 10 million) |
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ReGnUm DEl
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.08.03 00:40:00 -
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lDocHollidayl wrote:If it is critical to testing...by all means. But a swipe every time we get a fix is terrible. I have a lot 25ish million. But if you are testing do you not need a majority of players experiencing and opening all kinds of skills ? Not just a grinding 5%? Then you can add the newer players who are slowing moving up...just to get wiped again when they finally get a comfortable fit? I know some who will straight dropout if they get wiped. I have also spent 25 million points and not one is in any vehicles. My next plan is to go into vehicles but if I am swiped that will not happen. In short, if I am suppose to just play and test lag...wipe away If I am suppose to aid in balancing and experiencing the skill system please stop the pain.
(I am leveled so high because I am home from work with an injury) (perhaps wipe us but let us start with 10 million)
wanna q up tonight... oh and I sorta agree with OP |
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The Polish Hammer
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Posted - 2012.08.03 00:43:00 -
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I do agree with OP in that it'd be nice to start out with a decent amount of ISK/SP to get something going after the next wipe. |
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Berserker007
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Posted - 2012.08.03 00:46:00 -
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ditto my friend Doc ; i wish i knew the 30 day boosters would of been given back; as id have the same SP :( ; guess i know now, haha |
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Bresker Veyne
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.03 01:04:00 -
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You answered your own rant. You're here for testing. If CCP doesn't want you to test the advanced gear anymore, they can snap their fingers and take everything away from you again.
This is beta, everyting you do is subject to change. Yes, even that. |
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theschizogenious
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Posted - 2012.08.03 01:13:00 -
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dont forget the part where if they left everything alone then whenever they released new skills all th guys that have high sp reserves could just get them off the bat which would just form a greater rift between the proto players and the new blood.
ccp's trying to keep it fair for newer players by doing the wipe because if you joined up like 2 updates down the road with no wipes youd have a snowballs chance in hell of being able to compete with the guys that are day 1 testers.
if i was able to have kept my stuff from before they let the guys join in with the E3 build id have full prototype and be rocking a proto sagaris with the other grinders.
but they didnt they wiped me so that i wouldnt be able to just start mowing down the newer players. |
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Cpl Quartz
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Posted - 2012.08.03 01:23:00 -
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lDocHollidayl wrote:If it is critical to testing...by all means. But a swipe every time we get a fix is terrible. I have a lot 25ish million. But if you are testing do you not need a majority of players experiencing and opening all kinds of skills ? Not just a grinding 5%? Then you can add the newer players who are slowing moving up...just to get wiped again when they finally get a comfortable fit? I know some who will straight dropout if they get wiped. I have also spent 25 million points and not one is in any vehicles. My next plan is to go into vehicles but if I am swiped that will not happen. In short, if I am suppose to just play and test lag...wipe away If I am suppose to aid in balancing and experiencing the skill system please stop the pain.
(I am leveled so high because I am home from work with an injury) (perhaps wipe us but let us start with 10 million)
stop whining you big girl. you betad and played enough to know that its needed.
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Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2012.08.03 01:27:00 -
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theschizogenious wrote:dont forget the part where if they left everything alone then whenever they released new skills all th guys that have high sp reserves could just get them off the bat which would just form a greater rift between the proto players and the new blood.
ccp's trying to keep it fair for newer players by doing the wipe because if you joined up like 2 updates down the road with no wipes youd have a snowballs chance in hell of being able to compete with the guys that are day 1 testers.
if i was able to have kept my stuff from before they let the guys join in with the E3 build id have full prototype and be rocking a proto sagaris with the other grinders.
but they didnt they wiped me so that i wouldnt be able to just start mowing down the newer players.
Hey bro lets q up later! |
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Cpl Quartz
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Posted - 2012.08.03 01:28:00 -
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theschizogenious wrote:dont forget the part where if they left everything alone then whenever they released new skills all th guys that have high sp reserves could just get them off the bat which would just form a greater rift between the proto players and the new blood.
ccp's trying to keep it fair for newer players by doing the wipe because if you joined up like 2 updates down the road with no wipes youd have a snowballs chance in hell of being able to compete with the guys that are day 1 testers.
if i was able to have kept my stuff from before they let the guys join in with the E3 build id have full prototype and be rocking a proto sagaris with the other grinders.
but they didnt they wiped me so that i wouldnt be able to just start mowing down the newer players.
lies. just your knowlage is too much.
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Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2012.08.03 01:29:00 -
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lDocHollidayl wrote:If it is critical to testing...by all means. But a swipe every time we get a fix is terrible. I have a lot 25ish million. But if you are testing do you not need a majority of players experiencing and opening all kinds of skills ? Not just a grinding 5%? Then you can add the newer players who are slowing moving up...just to get wiped again when they finally get a comfortable fit? I know some who will straight dropout if they get wiped. I have also spent 25 million points and not one is in any vehicles. My next plan is to go into vehicles but if I am swiped that will not happen. In short, if I am suppose to just play and test lag...wipe away If I am suppose to aid in balancing and experiencing the skill system please stop the pain.
(I am leveled so high because I am home from work with an injury) (perhaps wipe us but let us start with 10 million) Gotta agree with you on that one Doc. Or at least the 2 mil ISK and SP we've earned from the last few beta events, as well as the dropsuits we earned from the earlier ones. Just something to start with. |
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Lurchasaurus
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Posted - 2012.08.03 01:37:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:lDocHollidayl wrote:If it is critical to testing...by all means. But a swipe every time we get a fix is terrible. I have a lot 25ish million. But if you are testing do you not need a majority of players experiencing and opening all kinds of skills ? Not just a grinding 5%? Then you can add the newer players who are slowing moving up...just to get wiped again when they finally get a comfortable fit? I know some who will straight dropout if they get wiped. I have also spent 25 million points and not one is in any vehicles. My next plan is to go into vehicles but if I am swiped that will not happen. In short, if I am suppose to just play and test lag...wipe away If I am suppose to aid in balancing and experiencing the skill system please stop the pain.
(I am leveled so high because I am home from work with an injury) (perhaps wipe us but let us start with 10 million) Gotta agree with you on that one Doc. Or at least the 2 mil ISK and SP we've earned from the last few beta events, as well as the dropsuits we earned from the earlier ones. Just something to start with.
after thinking about it, im excited for the wipe. I wouldnt mind having my event sp back tho. |
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Belzeebub Santana
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Posted - 2012.08.03 01:55:00 -
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Funny how some say that this game needs to be more noob friendly and than there are others who want to be able to keep all their stuff after each build![Question](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_questionmark.png)
I say wipe away let all the new blood start off with the vets. Give people who came in late catch up. Once full release happens and it is the final wipe those that didn't jump in at the start only have themselves to blame for being behind in sp.
I understand that people want to test proto gear; so if you have tested one proto item out this build, shoot for others. |
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lDocHollidayl
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Posted - 2012.08.03 01:57:00 -
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Why the 4x boost to earnings if not to test stuff? I have a hard time believing the wipe is to "have an even playing field". The 4x boost creates a playing field with a multiplier of 4x possible unevenness. You want even...one would slow it down to minimize the possible point gaping. |
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Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2012.08.03 01:57:00 -
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Belzeebub Santana wrote:Funny how some say that this game needs to be more noob friendly and than there are others who want to be able to keep all their stuff after each build ![Question](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_questionmark.png) I say wipe away let all the new blood start off with the vets. Give people who came in late catch up. Once full release happens and it is the final wipe those that didn't jump in at the start only have themselves to blame for being behind in sp. I understand that people want to test proto gear; so if you have tested one proto item out this build, shoot for others. That's another good point, actually. I think I'm gonna try out Forge Guns this weekend, and then just come up with something else to work with after the wipe. I guess we can hope Laser Rifles are going in, and maybe the other turret types. |
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Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2012.08.03 01:58:00 -
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Belzeebub Santana wrote:Funny how some say that this game needs to be more noob friendly and than there are others who want to be able to keep all their stuff after each build ![Question](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_questionmark.png) I say wipe away let all the new blood start off with the vets. Give people who came in late catch up. Once full release happens and it is the final wipe those that didn't jump in at the start only have themselves to blame for being behind in sp. I understand that people want to test proto gear; so if you have tested one proto item out this build, shoot for others.
that is a good point. so many douchebags more interested in their scores and the leaderboards than actually testing. |
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Belzeebub Santana
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Posted - 2012.08.03 02:18:00 -
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Two "good points" and no +1![Cry](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cry.png)
I liked to be liked!![Ugh](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_ugh.png) |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 02:18:00 -
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proto ar's tested at .5 frames per sec |
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Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2012.08.03 02:20:00 -
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Belzeebub Santana wrote:Two "good points" and no +1 ![Cry](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cry.png) I liked to be liked! ![Ugh](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_ugh.png) Took care of that for ya.![Blink](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png) |
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Lurchasaurus
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808
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Posted - 2012.08.03 02:25:00 -
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Belzeebub Santana wrote:Two "good points" and no +1 ![Cry](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cry.png) I liked to be liked! ![Ugh](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_ugh.png)
? what is this? facebook?
+1's are used as votes here as far as ive heard |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 02:26:00 -
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I bet this will still happen upon release, and there will still be a lot of slots in the game that still say SOON |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 02:30:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Belzeebub Santana wrote:Two "good points" and no +1 ![Cry](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cry.png) I liked to be liked! ![Ugh](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_ugh.png) ? what is this? facebook? +1's are used as votes here as far as ive heard
wrong
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Lurchasaurus
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Posted - 2012.08.03 02:30:00 -
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gangsta nachos wrote:I bet this will still happen upon release, and there will still be a lot of slots in the game that still say SOON
not a lot, but definitely there will be some.
all the important stuff like the EVE link up will be present tho |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 02:35:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:gangsta nachos wrote:I bet this will still happen upon release, and there will still be a lot of slots in the game that still say SOON not a lot, but definitely there will be some. all the important stuff like the EVE link up will be present tho Think I worded upon release wrong, what I meant to say was months after release |
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Belzeebub Santana
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Posted - 2012.08.03 02:52:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Belzeebub Santana wrote:Two "good points" and no +1 ![Cry](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cry.png) I liked to be liked! ![Ugh](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_ugh.png) ? what is this? facebook? +1's are used as votes here as far as ive heard
I was under impression that it was to support a good point made in a topic?
What are we voting on? |
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Veigar Mordekaiser
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Posted - 2012.08.03 03:13:00 -
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It makes sense to have a wipe for every new build, as chances are they have made changes to the skill system, and if they don't wipe everyone, very few people will actually test them out, as no one is going to say "Hey, why don't I just make a new character and start all over again, so I can respec into exactly what my other character is spec'd for, so I can test out the skill system." |
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Veigar Mordekaiser
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Posted - 2012.08.03 03:15:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Belzeebub Santana wrote:Two "good points" and no +1 ![Cry](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cry.png) I liked to be liked! ![Ugh](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_ugh.png) ? what is this? facebook? +1's are used as votes here as far as ive heard Actually, +1's on forums are commonly "rep" points. Someone with 0 rep is probably not easily recognized and rather new, where as someone with 500 would probably be someone you commonly see all over the forums, and easily recognize. |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 04:08:00 -
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This game will fail if everyone stays at a high level. People will play and get demolished from the get-go, delete DUST, and never consider the game again. This will happen eventually, sure, but it being that way off the start would be horrible. This game would have less players in a month or two than current MAG. |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 04:13:00 -
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MUDMASTEI2 wrote:This game will fail if everyone stays at a high level. People will play and get demolished from the get-go, delete DUST, and never consider the game again. This will happen eventually, sure, but it being that way off the start would be horrible. This game would have less players in a month or two than current MAG. Actually, no it wont. It will be much like EVE, their will be newbie things to do that will help give you push into the world, and from there you will rely on finding a way to make money, and finding yourself a Corp to join. Starting off in the world might be hard, but from there, the game will just be awesome. |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 04:23:00 -
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i hope your injury gets better.
It hurts to miss work, even if you have aflac. |
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Lurchasaurus
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Posted - 2012.08.03 04:29:00 -
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lemme elaborate so you can understand what i meant....
Lurchasaurus wrote:Belzeebub Santana wrote:Two "good points" and no +1 ![Cry](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cry.png) I liked to be liked! ![Ugh](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_ugh.png) ? LALALA what is this? SPARTA? facebook? +1's are used as votes here and in mexico as far as ive heard through the grapevine
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