DUST Search - EVERY MERC FOR HIMSELF!!!

Maken Tosch wrote:

ReGnUm DEl wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

ReGnUm DEl wrote:

Laheon wrote:

You do realise that you'll be best paid as a team player, when release comes out?

EVE players won't care if you have a good KDR, they'll care if you get the job done. If you don't, they won't hire you.

enough man alright. When people say KDR does not matter, its just excuse that makes them feel good because they fail at the basic FPS principle: AIM and SHOOT

EVERY COMPETITIVE TEAM ALWAYS LOOKS AT THE KDR FIRST

PS if we could only raise KDR through mining asteroids, then every1 would be happy

One problem with that. Eve Online corporations that will provide the lucrative contracts will not look at that as a priority (only as a perk). I have been through enough corporations in Eve including one power bloc (The Northern Coalition) to see that KDR will not matter. What will matter is how you lead your team, how you complete the objective the contract require you, how you defend yourself, your hacking skills, your driving skills, your corporate management skills.

If I was an Eve corp/alliance looking for a Dust mercenary corp to take control of a planet, and I see that your corp has a butt load of good K/D ratios but failed to do much progress with said skill, I will not hire you. I would spend my ISK on a Dust corp that may not have much K/D ratios in comparison but are at least capable of getting their job done.

KDR's DO NOT COUNT IN A MMO; especially in one where the sole purpose is MINING ASTEROIDS

I have participated in combat as well in Eve. Also, Dust is also an MMO, if you haven't noticed. CCP said so. Don't take me for a fool.

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Garma QUDA Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 468	Posted - 2012.07.31 20:32:00 - [1] - Quote I think Im just going to play this game as an individual.. while I understand a lot of you are going to openly bash, I really don't care lol. Its my clones on the line! I gots a demon wife and demon child I gotta feed, and getting myself killed to be a "team player" isint going to help! A merc like myself doesnt come cheap, but we do what we want and we like what we do. I mean really -_- stop telling me how I should play, with a watch like this.. who cares about the peanut gallery. As a side note, I really do enjoy reading what you all write, and I mean ALL of it... Illuminati and whatnot
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.07.31 20:33:00 - [2] - Quote Garma QUDA wrote: I think Im just going to play this game as an individual.. while I understand a lot of you are going to openly bash, I really don't care lol. Its my clones on the line! I gots a demon wife and demon child I gotta feed, and getting myself killed to be a "team player" isint going to help! A merc like myself doesnt come cheap, but we do what we want and we like what we do. I mean really -_- stop telling me how I should play, with a watch like this.. who cares about the peanut gallery. As a side note, I really do enjoy reading what you all write, and I mean ALL of it... illuminati and whatnot Thats fine bud, strive for the top of the charts in the gladiator arena. Ill bet on ya.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 153	Posted - 2012.07.31 20:34:00 - [3] - Quote You do realise that you'll be best paid as a team player, when release comes out? EVE players won't care if you have a good KDR, they'll care if you get the job done. If you don't, they won't hire you.
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.07.31 20:51:00 - [4] - Quote In Eve Online, I'm a lone industrialist with a mining ship on one character and an Orca hauler on the other (two accounts). I can make a decent profit with just that combined with manufacturing, but I'm on my own. If I am attacked, there is no one to help me. But at least I make an impact on my aggressors as they buy my ships and ammo to use them against me. If I lose a ship, they have already paid for my loss.
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.07.31 21:09:00 - [5] - Quote Garma QUDA wrote: I think Im just going to play this game as an individual.. while I understand a lot of you are going to openly bash, I really don't care lol. Its my clones on the line! I gots a demon wife and demon child I gotta feed, and getting myself killed to be a "team player" isint going to help! A merc like myself doesnt come cheap, but we do what we want and we like what we do. I mean really -_- stop telling me how I should play, with a watch like this.. who cares about the peanut gallery. As a side note, I really do enjoy reading what you all write, and I mean ALL of it... Illuminati and whatnot They know not of the illuminati. They ain't about that life.
Ad ski IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 209	Posted - 2012.07.31 21:40:00 - [6] - Quote I'm considering the same thing if I don't get a decent corp lol.
ReGnUm DEl Doomheim 622	Posted - 2012.07.31 21:42:00 - [7] - Quote Garma QUDA wrote: I think Im just going to play this game as an individual.. while I understand a lot of you are going to openly bash, I really don't care lol. Its my clones on the line! I gots a demon wife and demon child I gotta feed, and getting myself killed to be a "team player" isint going to help! A merc like myself doesnt come cheap, but we do what we want and we like what we do. I mean really -_- stop telling me how I should play, with a watch like this.. who cares about the peanut gallery. As a side note, I really do enjoy reading what you all write, and I mean ALL of it... Illuminati and whatnot nice hair cut brahhhhhhhh
Ludwig Van HeadShotin 118	Posted - 2012.07.31 21:42:00 - [8] - Quote Garma QUDA wrote: I think Im just going to play this game as an individual.. while I understand a lot of you are going to openly bash, I really don't care lol. Its my clones on the line! I gots a demon wife and demon child I gotta feed, and getting myself killed to be a "team player" isint going to help! A merc like myself doesnt come cheap, but we do what we want and we like what we do. I mean really -_- stop telling me how I should play, with a watch like this.. who cares about the peanut gallery. As a side note, I really do enjoy reading what you all write, and I mean ALL of it... Illuminati and whatnot I might do this also, don't worry about anybody but yourself.
Adaris Manpher 70	Posted - 2012.07.31 21:48:00 - [9] - Quote Garma QUDA wrote: I think Im just going to play this game as an individual.. while I understand a lot of you are going to openly bash, I really don't care lol. Its my clones on the line! I gots a demon wife and demon child I gotta feed, and getting myself killed to be a "team player" isint going to help! A merc like myself doesnt come cheap, but we do what we want and we like what we do. I mean really -_- stop telling me how I should play, with a watch like this.. who cares about the peanut gallery. As a side note, I really do enjoy reading what you all write, and I mean ALL of it... Illuminati and whatnot Its a Merc eat Merc Dust world bro. If your good enough and when hired CAN work with a team I am sure it can work. You can always do contracts for dust corps get a set amount of money for being with there corp for a set Amount of time I guess. Also if what I have been hearing is true you can be a drone cleaner as well for small corps that manage to over extend there reach! ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ -Foxhound/-ZionTCD
ReGnUm DEl Doomheim 622	Posted - 2012.07.31 21:53:00 - [10] - Quote Laheon wrote: You do realise that you'll be best paid as a team player, when release comes out? EVE players won't care if you have a good KDR, they'll care if you get the job done. If you don't, they won't hire you. enough man alright. When people say KDR does not matter, its just excuse that makes them feel good because they fail at the basic FPS principle: AIM and SHOOT EVERY COMPETITIVE TEAM ALWAYS LOOKS AT THE KDR FIRST PS if we could only raise KDR through mining asteroids, then every1 would be happy

Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 711	Posted - 2012.07.31 21:55:00 - [11] - Quote What happens when every game you join you get stomped by a corp? You're going to drop that lone wolf mentality.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.07.31 21:56:00 - [12] - Quote I do not think it's bad idea at all to want to be a pure mercenary Duster at all. Essentially in the end we are all are sort of looking out for one another though. Whether we choose to gain connections through corporations or otherwise. The goal is just more ISK. I just think it's going to be a harder road for you, and a hard road for Duster made corporations then anyone. I'm in that boat with you actually. I'm not going to have anyone who will help me ISK or in establishing a foot hold in which to support myself. I'll have to do that all on my own. Granted I could probably join up with, SoCal, and his scouts. I have aspirations though of my own making. I want my own corp. and even if it means needing to take jobs from the much larger and influential corps. Anyway I do not think it's a bad idea. I just think when it comes to us Dusters -- we either have connections that will supply us with the ISK and power, or we stand alone as we struggle to survive in New Eden's corporatism. Should be fun.. I was thinking of becoming a planet broker anyway. Saiyan pride for ever!
Agnoeo Jedi Knights. 35	Posted - 2012.07.31 21:56:00 - [13] - Quote I hear you bro. I'm tempted to do the same thing, but I do enjoy playing with clan members and friends. I supposed its the fact I can talk to them afterwards about an epic battle or conquering a planet. Though if you want to be rogue "like I will be with one of my characters" go for it! I encourage you to be a true mercs among mercs. Become so good that Dust Corps are asking you to fight for them. If you can accomplish that. Then you sir, have made me jealous. Agno` No Risk, No Reward
Agnoeo Jedi Knights. 35	Posted - 2012.07.31 22:01:00 - [14] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: Laheon wrote: You do realise that you'll be best paid as a team player, when release comes out? EVE players won't care if you have a good KDR, they'll care if you get the job done. If you don't, they won't hire you. enough man alright. When people say KDR does not matter, its just excuse that makes them feel good because they fail at the basic FPS principle: AIM and SHOOT EVERY COMPETITIVE TEAM ALWAYS LOOKS AT THE KDR FIRST PS if we could only raise KDR through mining asteroids, then every1 would be happy I had to respond to this, so sorry for the double post. I have a really good K/D ratio, but I'll be the first to say that I'm not the best option for every team. I may still maintain my K/D ratio (though its not important to me) yet fail the mission. Corps are going to look at the Loose/ Win ratio's. Not K/D ratios. Hopefully CCP is smart enough to incorporate those stats. Agno`
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.07.31 22:01:00 - [15] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: Laheon wrote: You do realise that you'll be best paid as a team player, when release comes out? EVE players won't care if you have a good KDR, they'll care if you get the job done. If you don't, they won't hire you. enough man alright. When people say KDR does not matter, its just excuse that makes them feel good because they fail at the basic FPS principle: AIM and SHOOT EVERY COMPETITIVE TEAM ALWAYS LOOKS AT THE KDR FIRST PS if we could only raise KDR through mining asteroids, then every1 would be happy One problem with that. Eve Online corporations that will provide the lucrative contracts will not look at that as a priority (only as a perk). I have been through enough corporations in Eve including one power bloc (The Northern Coalition) to see that KDR will not matter. What will matter is how you lead your team, how you complete the objective the contract require you, how you defend yourself, your hacking skills, your driving skills, your corporate management skills. If I was an Eve corp/alliance looking for a Dust mercenary corp to take control of a planet, and I see that your corp has a butt load of good K/D ratios but failed to do much progress with said skill, I will not hire you. I would spend my ISK on a Dust corp that may not have much K/D ratios in comparison but are at least capable of getting their job done.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.07.31 22:03:00 - [16] - Quote Corp life isnGÇÖt for everyone and I tip my hat to the lone wolfs ignoring everyone and doing their own thing. Will be looking out for lone mercs for jobs that would be politically damaging for us to take part in so consider yourselves being watched for future very short term employment (yes the pay will be good) IG is starting a merc contract center for the likes of yourselfs but also whole corps that are for hire so feel free to join up and keep an eye on it as it develops http://initiativegaming.org/ If thats to much effort thats no problem we're starting to keep tabs and will come knocking if we need help.
ReGnUm DEl Doomheim 622	Posted - 2012.07.31 22:04:00 - [17] - Quote Agnoeo wrote: ReGnUm DEl wrote: Laheon wrote: You do realise that you'll be best paid as a team player, when release comes out? EVE players won't care if you have a good KDR, they'll care if you get the job done. If you don't, they won't hire you. enough man alright. When people say KDR does not matter, its just excuse that makes them feel good because they fail at the basic FPS principle: AIM and SHOOT EVERY COMPETITIVE TEAM ALWAYS LOOKS AT THE KDR FIRST PS if we could only raise KDR through mining asteroids, then every1 would be happy I had to respond to this, so sorry for the double post. I have a really good K/D ratio, but I'll be the first to say that I'm not the best option for every team. I may still maintain my K/D ratio (though its not important to me) yet fail the mission. Corps are going to look at the Loose/ Win ratio's. Not K/D ratios. Hopefully CCP is smart enough to incorporate those stats. Agno` KDR>EVERYTHING... therefore KDR>W/R
ReGnUm DEl Doomheim 622	Posted - 2012.07.31 22:06:00 - [18] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: ReGnUm DEl wrote: Laheon wrote: You do realise that you'll be best paid as a team player, when release comes out? EVE players won't care if you have a good KDR, they'll care if you get the job done. If you don't, they won't hire you. enough man alright. When people say KDR does not matter, its just excuse that makes them feel good because they fail at the basic FPS principle: AIM and SHOOT EVERY COMPETITIVE TEAM ALWAYS LOOKS AT THE KDR FIRST PS if we could only raise KDR through mining asteroids, then every1 would be happy One problem with that. Eve Online corporations that will provide the lucrative contracts will not look at that as a priority (only as a perk). I have been through enough corporations in Eve including one power bloc (The Northern Coalition) to see that KDR will not matter. What will matter is how you lead your team, how you complete the objective the contract require you, how you defend yourself, your hacking skills, your driving skills, your corporate management skills. If I was an Eve corp/alliance looking for a Dust mercenary corp to take control of a planet, and I see that your corp has a butt load of good K/D ratios but failed to do much progress with said skill, I will not hire you. I would spend my ISK on a Dust corp that may not have much K/D ratios in comparison but are at least capable of getting their job done. KDR's DO NOT COUNT IN A MMO; especially in one where the sole purpose is MINING ASTEROIDS
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.07.31 22:08:00 - [19] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: ReGnUm DEl wrote: Laheon wrote: You do realise that you'll be best paid as a team player, when release comes out? EVE players won't care if you have a good KDR, they'll care if you get the job done. If you don't, they won't hire you. enough man alright. When people say KDR does not matter, its just excuse that makes them feel good because they fail at the basic FPS principle: AIM and SHOOT EVERY COMPETITIVE TEAM ALWAYS LOOKS AT THE KDR FIRST PS if we could only raise KDR through mining asteroids, then every1 would be happy One problem with that. Eve Online corporations that will provide the lucrative contracts will not look at that as a priority (only as a perk). I have been through enough corporations in Eve including one power bloc (The Northern Coalition) to see that KDR will not matter. What will matter is how you lead your team, how you complete the objective the contract require you, how you defend yourself, your hacking skills, your driving skills, your corporate management skills. If I was an Eve corp/alliance looking for a Dust mercenary corp to take control of a planet, and I see that your corp has a butt load of good K/D ratios but failed to do much progress with said skill, I will not hire you. I would spend my ISK on a Dust corp that may not have much K/D ratios in comparison but are at least capable of getting their job done. KDR's DO NOT COUNT IN A MMO; especially in one where the sole purpose is MINING ASTEROIDS I have participated in combat as well in Eve. Also, Dust is also an MMO, if you haven't noticed. CCP said so. Don't take me for a fool.
Oryx Offerton Doomheim 61	Posted - 2012.07.31 22:10:00 - [20] - Quote I'm in it for myself. I work alone. I'm a lone wolf.

Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.07.31 22:13:00 - [21] - Quote Oryx Offerton wrote: I'm in it for myself. I work alone. I'm a lone wolf. If your good enuf to get results on your own you will find work. However I doubt there are many that can pull this off and most will just be nobodys who never get contracted
ReGnUm DEl Doomheim 622	Posted - 2012.07.31 22:14:00 - [22] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: ReGnUm DEl wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: ReGnUm DEl wrote: Laheon wrote: You do realise that you'll be best paid as a team player, when release comes out? EVE players won't care if you have a good KDR, they'll care if you get the job done. If you don't, they won't hire you. enough man alright. When people say KDR does not matter, its just excuse that makes them feel good because they fail at the basic FPS principle: AIM and SHOOT EVERY COMPETITIVE TEAM ALWAYS LOOKS AT THE KDR FIRST PS if we could only raise KDR through mining asteroids, then every1 would be happy One problem with that. Eve Online corporations that will provide the lucrative contracts will not look at that as a priority (only as a perk). I have been through enough corporations in Eve including one power bloc (The Northern Coalition) to see that KDR will not matter. What will matter is how you lead your team, how you complete the objective the contract require you, how you defend yourself, your hacking skills, your driving skills, your corporate management skills. If I was an Eve corp/alliance looking for a Dust mercenary corp to take control of a planet, and I see that your corp has a butt load of good K/D ratios but failed to do much progress with said skill, I will not hire you. I would spend my ISK on a Dust corp that may not have much K/D ratios in comparison but are at least capable of getting their job done. KDR's DO NOT COUNT IN A MMO; especially in one where the sole purpose is MINING ASTEROIDS I have participated in combat as well in Eve. Also, Dust is also an MMO, if you haven't noticed. CCP said so. Don't take me for a fool. Sorry did you forget the FPS thing before the MMO part, or where you to busy mining an asteroid to type it
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.07.31 22:15:00 - [23] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: Laheon wrote: You do realise that you'll be best paid as a team player, when release comes out? EVE players won't care if you have a good KDR, they'll care if you get the job done. If you don't, they won't hire you. enough man alright. When people say KDR does not matter, its just excuse that makes them feel good because they fail at the basic FPS principle: AIM and SHOOT EVERY COMPETITIVE TEAM ALWAYS LOOKS AT THE KDR FIRST PS if we could only raise KDR through mining asteroids, then every1 would be happy While true to some degree, the by word for nullsec will be "ISK efficiency".Kill all you want, but if your contract doesn't turn a profit for you at the end of the match, and all your kills were on militia gear, who won?
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.07.31 22:16:00 - [24] - Quote Derp double post
Bresker Veyne Algintal Core Gallente Federation 152	Posted - 2012.07.31 22:21:00 - [25] - Quote Just ignore Regnum Dei, he's just a sad guy that nobody likes. He's so lonely that he even makes other accounts so people will like his posts (true story)! And he's probably the only guy saying K/D > all. It's his way to get some attention. But, everyone knows win rate will be more important.
Draco Dustflier Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2012.07.31 22:30:00 - [26] - Quote just because you have a good KDR doesn't mean you're a good team. playing solely to maintain your KDR will not make you useful to the corporations that hire you. you could have the best KDR in the game, but if that means that all you do is stay in the same spot and spawntrap even while the other players are taking your objectives, and you avoid dying by staying away from the objectives, your are not an asset: you are a danger to all the players on your team. why would they let you in when they can find someone who plays for the team and does his best to make sure the objectives are always on his side, no matter how many times he has to die to do it. when hiring a corporation, they will look at the W/L for the past few months. when hiring individual mercenaries, they will look at how many objectives you've hacked/defended, how much time you spend near objectives or spawntrapping (yes, spawntrappers will be very desirable, unfortunately), how many vehicles you've killed/hacked, how many mercs you have revived, what skills you have applied to support your team (and possibly the order in which you've acquired your skills so that they can profile you), what you say is most important to you in your profile (I'm assuming we'll have one), and then, and only then, they will look at your KDR. the only time your KDR will be important is in the gladiator arena (which is coming next year i think). the way this game is structured, bf3 and mag addicts will do a lot better at first. lone wolves aren't as important.
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.07.31 22:31:00 - [27] - Quote @Regnum If that's your best rebuttal to my statement, then you and I are done arguing. It's pretty clear you just won't listen to anything reasonable I say to you. Have fun in your endeavors and I hope you make it to success. I just also hope that one day you realize what I mean. I have seen people rank up pretty high in the leaderboards in a single match with 50+/0 yet they failed to win the match. That's like seeing a Titan (super-capital) go down to a fleet of sub-capital ships.
Draco Dustflier Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2012.07.31 22:37:00 - [28] - Quote J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: ReGnUm DEl wrote: Laheon wrote: You do realise that you'll be best paid as a team player, when release comes out? EVE players won't care if you have a good KDR, they'll care if you get the job done. If you don't, they won't hire you. enough man alright. When people say KDR does not matter, its just excuse that makes them feel good because they fail at the basic FPS principle: AIM and SHOOT EVERY COMPETITIVE TEAM ALWAYS LOOKS AT THE KDR FIRST PS if we could only raise KDR through mining asteroids, then every1 would be happy While true to some degree, the by word for nullsec will be "ISK efficiency".Kill all you want, but if your contract doesn't turn a profit for you at the end of the match, and all your kills were on militia gear, who won? well, if the corp makes you pay for your own gear, the corp wins. if the corp pays for it all and loses more money than what you were fighting over is worth because of you, then there is no winner. you'd get kicked from the corp, so you'd just really lose.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.07.31 22:48:00 - [29] - Quote .. Actually when it comes down to anyone one really competitive or smart they will always look at all stats, and statistics to form a base line opinion and from their they usually see how you actually perform with them. This debate, this debacle is piontless. A kill to death ratio means jack if you cannot perform as functioning member of the team, or play for the team. Also the whole "circle holder" quips are redundant seeing how all you'd be then is a "Trigger Jockey". Slurrs can be passed around on both sides. Let's be above that sort of childish, and petty behavior. Personally I would never want you on my team. All you can do is bark about one statistic all day long. That right there is a huge red flag for anyone to not pick you up. As I pointed out though it's not stats that matter, but how you perform, and how you mesh with the team/squad/corporation. Anyone who's been competitive should know this. Okay. Let us move on. In the words of officer, Barbrady -- "Okay move long; nothing to see here."
Garma QUDA Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 468	Posted - 2012.08.01 01:39:00 - [30] - Quote This actually turned out to be a lot more constructive than I thought it was going to be when I left it lol. Edit: pouring up some captain to celebrate, cheers :)



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