DUST Search - A way to stop dropship crushing

Gilliam Stargleam wrote:

This is going to anger some but i have a great super power of not giving a damn.
Only a douchebag would support this poor tactic, especially when it's not the dropship pilots job to kill.
Your sole job is to transport troops to and from objectives and let your gunners defend you and cover the troops at said objectives.
It's not your gunners fault you can't fly straight and even enough for them to get kills, that's YOUR fault.
It's not your gunners fault that you fly around objectives like a crazy person just looking for folk to squash, giving them hardly any time to line shots off much less hit anything, that's YOUR fault.
If this tactic is still in the final game it's going to help kill it as it's pathetic the way you pilots troll the ground chasing mercs under low pipelines etc.

The only way to solve this is to penalize the pilots heavily for doing so.
Dropship squashing has got to be made an absolute last option to do.

Another viable solution is give the pilots points for dropping off troops at objectives, more points than they would get for squashing someone.
I used to think giving them a gun would be a nice alternative but that is not their job to fly around and kill.
It would only cause another problem of to many pilots not enough grounders, the sky would be full of dropships.
If your getting shot at, FLY away and grab some gunners, then come back and rain death down upon thine enemy.

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Avenger 245 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 477	Posted - 2012.07.28 01:37:00 - [1] - Quote Stop giving pilots 50+ kill for crushing people. If there is less incentive then there is less reason to crush people.
Naustradamus Oracle Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2012.07.28 01:45:00 - [2] - Quote I don't think the points will do really ... there needs to be damage to the ship for drops. It may be a bit to much, but imagine how rare it would become if a heavy drop to the ground would cause the shields to go down to 30% ... any additional drops when no shields would cause a 25-30% damage to the ship
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.07.28 01:50:00 - [3] - Quote Less enemies running around threatening to take your objectives is incentive enough. I don't really see dropship squishing as a problem.
Avenger 245 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 477	Posted - 2012.07.28 02:05:00 - [4] - Quote On my last match one guy flew around squishing people and all 5 of my match deaths were from that alone(ruined my perfect 10/0) But still they shouldnt get points for it even if it doesnt stop it out right atleast people wont spend an intire match doing it because then they get no sp.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.07.28 02:08:00 - [5] - Quote I don't believe there should be any arbitrary penalty for -any- tactic in this game. Once you make one such penalty, where does it end?
Velexia Ombra 29	Posted - 2012.07.28 02:17:00 - [6] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: I don't believe there should be any arbitrary penalty for -any- tactic in this game. Once you make one such penalty, where does it end? This.
Avenger 245 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 477	Posted - 2012.07.28 03:24:00 - [7] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: I don't believe there should be any arbitrary penalty for -any- tactic in this game. Once you make one such penalty, where does it end? Its not a penalty. Its simply not there, people could still crush you all day long they just wont get any kill points for it.
Arcushek Dion Doomheim 73	Posted - 2012.07.28 03:29:00 - [8] - Quote A kill is a kill is a kill. must remember your 5 D's: Dodge, duck, dip, dive, dodge. if you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a drop ship.
From Costa Rica Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS. 66	Posted - 2012.07.28 03:36:00 - [9] - Quote Arcushek Dion wrote: A kill is a kill is a kill. must remember your 5 D's: Dodge, duck, dip, dive, dodge. if you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a drop ship. Oh god, LOLed all over the place.
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.07.28 04:22:00 - [10] - Quote From Costa Rica wrote: Arcushek Dion wrote: A kill is a kill is a kill. must remember your 5 D's: Dodge, duck, dip, dive, dodge. if you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a drop ship. Oh god, LOLed all over the place. Here's another solution: stop lollygagging in the open field. Problem solved.

Avenger 245 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 477	Posted - 2012.07.28 04:33:00 - [11] - Quote Im not just standing around im being actively hunted by a crazied and deranged pilot. I am offering a simple suggestion to make pilots less likely to abuse dropship crushing, not by punishing the ship or the pilot with a penalty but by taking away the incintive.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.07.28 04:53:00 - [12] - Quote Avenger 245 wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: I don't believe there should be any arbitrary penalty for -any- tactic in this game. Once you make one such penalty, where does it end? Its not a penalty. Its simply not there, people could still crush you all day long they just wont get any kill points for it. Which is effectively a penalty, since you -are- killing people, but you -aren't- getting points for it.
wathak 514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 106	Posted - 2012.07.28 05:34:00 - [13] - Quote See if u say dropship crushing is unfair well then id have to say try it urself cause it takes decent real world piloting skills to perfor this first u got to find the target in the open even if u urself are geting shot at. Then u have to control the drop other wise it will harm ur ship and i have actually crashed through crushing. But just for those that dont know there 5 d's if u want to reduce the number of kills by crushing give the pilot a gun to fire seriously we cant always get guners for the side guns so some forward guns to be under the pilots control would help solve the proplem of only being able to get kills with are fav ride by landing it on someones head. Now i know what ull say pilot controlled guns will make the dropship to powerful well that may be true. Best way to fix that is to create a new breed of aircraft that has this capability bt isnt abe to spawn solders or carry them. It also may have 2 side guns maby instead 1 or 2 belly guns somewhat like the modern apache or ww2 b51 superfortress bomber. Maby it would just have greater moneverability or tank possibley making it closer to a fighter then a helicopter in terms of roles [ability to hover should be kept] Now to finish this solution off for those that still want to complain about being crushed by a DROPship let me point out the word DROP and that us pilots took the name very seriously and dropped the ship on your heads lol
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.07.28 06:10:00 - [14] - Quote You drastically reduce dropship squishing when you give dropships a pilot controlled gun like tanks. You also reduce tower dropship sniping. We can stand bad gunners only so much. ;)
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.07.28 06:13:00 - [15] - Quote Velexia Ombra wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: I don't believe there should be any arbitrary penalty for -any- tactic in this game. Once you make one such penalty, where does it end? This. This.
Avenger 245 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 477	Posted - 2012.07.28 16:02:00 - [16] - Quote Its not a penalty pilots can still crush people they just wont get any kill points for it. And when we get gunship pilots will have pilot controled turret
Daalzebul Del'Armgo D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 48	Posted - 2012.07.28 16:10:00 - [17] - Quote instead of being flat on bottom i want a sharp point that way it's harder. oh and when i do pierce you with it i want the corpse to stick to it so i can have merc kabob.... let's see heavy,scout, logistic, assault now hover over flaming tank.... just add salt and pepper!!!! yea sounds yummy.
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2012.07.28 16:11:00 - [18] - Quote It's a fair tactic and they already take dmg if they ram stuff. When the vehicles aren't militia and they actually have to pay for their stuff, then they will probably be a bit more picky about when to squish ppl because it puts them in a very nice spot for a swarm launcher to dumb fire and kill them. Even a few av grenades will do it if they are close enough to the ground.
Icy Tiger 496	Posted - 2012.07.28 16:18:00 - [19] - Quote Rhadiem wrote: Velexia Ombra wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: I don't believe there should be any arbitrary penalty for -any- tactic in this game. Once you make one such penalty, where does it end? This. This. This.
Dre Gun Bragian Order Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2012.07.28 16:56:00 - [20] - Quote I would suggest that the ships don't really need to hit the ground when they have a pilot only when they are unmanned....Cause if a ship has a pilot then its thrusters are on so it really shouldn't hit the ground. So a compromise fix would be to not let a piloted ship touch down low enough to CRUSH anyone but let them hover over people and deal SPLASH damage from the thrusters jet-wash. (Then you could still kill people under the ship but not instantly kill them & they would be able to have a chance to run for cover if close to a building unless they are slow or out in the open field.)

Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 789	Posted - 2012.07.28 17:50:00 - [21] - Quote The problem isn't that pilots get SP for crushing people. The problem is twofold. First : It's the best way for them to get skillpoints, and the only way for them to improve their kill stats. This is solved better not by penalizing kills, but by giving incentive for them to actually care what their gunners are doing. Give the pilot +50 and a kill on their stats along with the gunner who scores the final blow on someone. Second, momentum is calculated poorly. A dropship landing directly on top of someone or pinning someone against something should kill them on the spot. a dropship going at its minimum speed sliding on the ground should not. Sliding on the ground at minimum speed does no collision damage to the dropship, when it should be doing gradual amounts the longer they slider, with more damage the faster they go. Also, its just too damn satisfying for people not to do it.
Gilliam Stargleam Algintal Core Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2012.07.28 18:28:00 - [22] - Quote This is going to anger some but i have a great super power of not giving a damn. Only a douchebag would support this poor tactic, especially when it's not the dropship pilots job to kill. Your sole job is to transport troops to and from objectives and let your gunners defend you and cover the troops at said objectives. It's not your gunners fault you can't fly straight and even enough for them to get kills, that's YOUR fault. It's not your gunners fault that you fly around objectives like a crazy person just looking for folk to squash, giving them hardly any time to line shots off much less hit anything, that's YOUR fault. If this tactic is still in the final game it's going to help kill it as it's pathetic the way you pilots troll the ground chasing mercs under low pipelines etc. The only way to solve this is to penalize the pilots heavily for doing so. Dropship squashing has got to be made an absolute last option to do. Another viable solution is give the pilots points for dropping off troops at objectives, more points than they would get for squashing someone. I used to think giving them a gun would be a nice alternative but that is not their job to fly around and kill. It would only cause another problem of to many pilots not enough grounders, the sky would be full of dropships. If your getting shot at, FLY away and grab some gunners, then come back and rain death down upon thine enemy.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 789	Posted - 2012.07.28 18:37:00 - [23] - Quote The solution isn't penalizing someone for using the ship as a battering ram. The solution is making it actually rewarding to use it like it was intended. It currently is not. People care about stats, and they care about getting the most SP possible. My above post addresses the best way to make crushing less attractive. It will always be in the game.
Velexia Ombra 29	Posted - 2012.07.28 23:06:00 - [24] - Quote Avenger 245 wrote: Im not just standing around im being actively hunted by a crazied and deranged pilot. lol...
Sylwester Dziewiecki Doomheim 83	Posted - 2012.07.29 01:36:00 - [25] - Quote I think that one of the problem is to see or hear DS in time. Right now draw distant are poor; DS appear in front of you out of nowhere, and you are able to hear it when it is too late. Of course, is what Nova Knife says will help. Q: pilot gets some points for shield/armor transfer?
Renzo Kuken Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 369	Posted - 2012.07.29 04:24:00 - [26] - Quote make the dropships balloons and put a needle on muh helmet
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 50	Posted - 2012.07.29 04:53:00 - [27] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=27467&find=unread i had a similar thread
Usikava Shawley Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.07.29 05:29:00 - [28] - Quote I had a long story written here about my best battle and participating stuff... But who ever reads long stories... In couple words you need to participate to get MANY POINTS so squashing alone won't work(had 17\1 (#1) game all kills are squashes though got most points from gunners and support\hacking stuff not kills(comparing to around 25+ kills SP for roof camping on a dropship and 2\0-10\0 wih sniper) ). Dropships don't get any spawn points for CRU spawns (I think tanks too but I haven't tried CRU fitted tank) pilots end most of the hard matches with 0\0 when performed excellent... And you do take damage on landing I haven't felt it on armor tank as much as I do feel loosing this extra buffer on shield tank and have to land and repair... And you want to take away our last hard chance to take a risk and score a kill to "show this bustard how much I hate him for trying to scratch my beauty" cause someone haunted you on a dropship? lrn2run and shoot Forge Gun\SML I'll come for you Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: I think that one of the problem is to see or hear DS in time. Right now draw distant are poor; DS appear in front of you out of nowhere, and you are able to hear it when it is too late. Of course, is what Nova Knife says will help. Q: pilot gets some points for shield/armor transfer? Tried shield transfers and haven't saw any points, read somewhere on forums that armor give points(like repair tool) but taking in account activation distance in shields I would raver leave this to ground support units or give dropships shield transfer distance bonus like logi's in eve have cause sitting right on the tank makes me creeps, and it's no better to understand that there is a least 2 gunners with you and it's a possible combat situation... No thanks =) Draw distance is a huge problem for snipers now... shooting by the red marks w\o even chance to see your enemy if there is someone to "spot" enemy and give you this red mark at least
Draco Dustflier Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2012.07.29 05:45:00 - [29] - Quote no. just no. if your death is the direct result of another player's actions, intentional or not, they get a kill for it. simple as that.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 248	Posted - 2012.07.29 11:23:00 - [30] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: I don't believe there should be any arbitrary penalty for -any- tactic in this game. Once you make one such penalty, where does it end? You are assuming the game is ready, which it's obviously not. What if knife would at this beta stage able to OHK targets 20m away? Balancing that would be taking away 'tactic of the game'??

KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 248	Posted - 2012.07.29 11:48:00 - [31] - Quote there has been a thread on this topic previously, but I'm actually changing my statement from those times: Before I saw dropship crushing as desperate last resort but still something possible by the game machanics. Now I see that as an ok minor option for DS pilot. BUT I still want to have more damage on ground collisions (still way too easy atm) And also LOUD engine noise when dropship is nearby to mitigate surprise crushing! All and all, much like Nova Knife has been saying.
Avenger 245 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 477	Posted - 2012.07.29 15:17:00 - [32] - Quote Velexia Ombra wrote: Avenger 245 wrote: Im not just standing around im being actively hunted by a crazied and deranged pilot. lol... He was after me. I swear. Deranged lunitic.
vermacht Doe 93	Posted - 2012.07.29 15:38:00 - [33] - Quote Arcushek Dion wrote: A kill is a kill is a kill. must remember your 5 D's: Dodge, duck, dip, dive, dodge. if you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a drop ship. Ok try dodging a landing plane while facing away from it qnd wear sound dampening headphones
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.07.29 15:58:00 - [34] - Quote Avenger 245 wrote: Stop giving pilots 50+ kill for crushing people. If there is less incentive then there is less reason to crush people. Nope ppl will do it anyways tbh and its still a kill so +50 is vaild
Dre Gun Bragian Order Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2012.07.29 16:23:00 - [35] - Quote Another cool idea rather then the "poor gameplay visual" of giant ships frog splashing the earth to get a kill.....Would be to give the pilot some sort of after burner boost the clears out the near landing zone of all foot-soldiers with a big blast from the thrusters.....This could be a high energy usage tool that could cause shields to be lowered when used giving anti-air units a window to take out a well armored ship, It could also be timed so it can only be used every 30 seconds or so. This is basically what I already said but this would be the 'Active' approach rather then the 'Passive' one.
SGT Garrisson On The Brink 60	Posted - 2012.07.29 16:35:00 - [36] - Quote quote=SGT Garrisson]i agree with you on this it happens ive been crushed and ive crushed altho im not very good at the crushing part ive not seen dropship takes dmg i think they should recieve some 5% to shields and maybe 10% to armour not a great deal of dmg but probly enuff to balance things a bit better and on the reciving end IF landed on insta crush death however like u said ground surfing should case bump dmg to the trooper espesially if he is trying to get out the way its hard to dodge them in the heavy suit but if done and carring a forge gun 7 out of 10 its dead[/quote] i dont get what the big deal is with the crushing yea it needs balancing i get squished i pull out my cheap fat suit with either forge or swarp and shoot the sucker down if i can some matches i devote my self to it 10k loss of a drop suit to idk 100k isk of dropship (if not malita)
Antilles Maximus ZionTCD Legacy Rising 80	Posted - 2012.07.29 16:50:00 - [37] - Quote Remember: Sun Tzu wrote: ...he who is skilled in attack flashes forth from the topmost heights of heaven.... ...Hence the skillful fighter puts himself into a position which makes defeat impossible and does not miss the moment for defeating the enemy... So basically... Arcushek Dion wrote: must remember your 5 D's: Dodge, duck, dip, dive, dodge. if you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a drop ship. ^ Great post btw!
Dilectus Himmel Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 15	Posted - 2012.07.29 17:41:00 - [38] - Quote the 5 D works only if you see what s attacking you. With the speed dropships have they often crush you before you even know they exist because of the faulty draw distance. You even never hear the sound until you re only a puddle of blood under their bellies.
gangsta nachos Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 377	Posted - 2012.07.29 18:28:00 - [39] - Quote Avenger 245 wrote: Stop giving pilots 50+ kill for crushing people. If there is less incentive then there is less reason to crush people. Whats wrong with crushing with the dropship? You can run over people with tanks and jeeps. Whats the issue?
RzrTrek Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.07.29 18:59:00 - [40] - Quote Avenger 245 wrote: Stop giving pilots 50+ kill for crushing people. If there is less incentive then there is less reason to crush people. I have seen this a lot and man I tell you it's damn annoying!

J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.07.29 19:19:00 - [41] - Quote So? Find a counter to it. People asking to stop dropship crushing are asking for it to be more EZ mode tbh
Obodiah Garro Serenity Prime Kraken. 10	Posted - 2012.07.29 22:43:00 - [42] - Quote Gilliam Stargleam wrote: This is going to anger some but i have a great super power of not giving a damn. Only a douchebag would support this poor tactic, especially when it's not the dropship pilots job to kill. Your sole job is to transport troops to and from objectives and let your gunners defend you and cover the troops at said objectives. It's not your gunners fault you can't fly straight and even enough for them to get kills, that's YOUR fault. It's not your gunners fault that you fly around objectives like a crazy person just looking for folk to squash, giving them hardly any time to line shots off much less hit anything, that's YOUR fault. If this tactic is still in the final game it's going to help kill it as it's pathetic the way you pilots troll the ground chasing mercs under low pipelines etc. The only way to solve this is to penalize the pilots heavily for doing so. Dropship squashing has got to be made an absolute last option to do. Another viable solution is give the pilots points for dropping off troops at objectives, more points than they would get for squashing someone. I used to think giving them a gun would be a nice alternative but that is not their job to fly around and kill. It would only cause another problem of to many pilots not enough grounders, the sky would be full of dropships. If your getting shot at, FLY away and grab some gunners, then come back and rain death down upon thine enemy. This Morons saying dropship crushing is fine aside, presently with the spawn mechanics completely insane, its a game breaker. Dropships need to take dmg if they are smacking into things and not doing their intended job, plus they need to be taken away for free and made hell a lot more expensive. I had to heavy lol at the person saying it takes a lot of RL piloting skill to crush, i did it for a couple of rounds before comming here to say how stupid it was, its notoriously easy, as for tower sniping in a dropship haha thats just wow...
sansey Inferno Inferno Inc 43	Posted - 2012.07.29 23:48:00 - [43] - Quote wathak 514 wrote: See if u say dropship crushing is unfair well then id have to say try it urself cause it takes decent real world piloting skills to perfor this first u got to find the target in the open even if u urself are geting shot at. Then u have to control the drop other wise it will harm ur ship and i have actually crashed through crushing. i desagree when dropship missed visual and u cant shooting (very high for example) pilot stil have minimap with targets and chevrons on battlefield (gunners too) and i dont know how people fire from dropship lanchers allways in target when ship moving with high speed maybe add random option kill pilot when shooting from swarm\forge guns or from another weapon when shooting in cockpit?:)


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