In short, EvE players will decide prices and who gets what. Tbh? Way to ruin the game. Give all EvE players prototype access while everyone who isn't in EvE pays 4 billion per protosuit. Yay for live markets. Oh and that's 4 billion IF you are fighting for them. Fighting against them? Gtfo.
Tbh EvE players screwing with pricing will totally screw the game, and CCP need to figure out a way to deal with this.

EvE players can totally ruin dust if they do choose basically, they earn billions of ISK. A good miner will earn more ISK than all of us beta testers put together. So yeah, money will flow bak to EvE and probably never return.

In short, EvE players will decide prices and who gets what. Tbh? Way to ruin the game. Give all EvE players prototype access while everyone who isn't in EvE pays 4 billion per protosuit. Yay for live markets. Oh and that's 4 billion IF you are fighting for them. Fighting against them? Gtfo.
Tbh EvE players screwing with pricing will totally screw the game, and CCP need to figure out a way to deal with this.

EvE players can totally ruin dust if they do choose basically, they earn billions of ISK. A good miner will earn more ISK than all of us beta testers put together. So yeah, money will flow bak to EvE and probably never return.

Well i also think that if grouping is officially in the game and we can form sorts of clans where the leader can accept contracts only if the price that eve players is high enough. Better corps/clans=higher price to hire. And i think there will be some very good players grouping up and will be feared on the battlefield. So hire very good players will cost them more as to simply get below average players. And this will also make a change in the mind of eve players. If they dont get top players sitting on the PS3 then they wont get that planet. Except they are greedy and spam orbital strikes but i think thats going to be limited. Also friendly fire should be activated for orbital strikes so that you cant just spam a objective and get tons of your team killed.

@Tony

As Drake mentioned, the problem with your argument is that Eve players have had almost complete control of the market for nine years non stop and yet the market has remained relatively stable since the beginning. Prices rise and fall based not only on supply and demand but also on the average income that players make on a daily basis as well as the mineral price index that is reported quarterly by CCP Diagoras and how accessible the minerals are.

The Eve free-market system is also following another principle of the free-market system that the real world also uses: The Invisible Hand Theory. This theory was introduced to the world in a book titled The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith and it states that the self interests of the individuals or entities participating in the free-market system will ensure that the market stabilizes itself even if it undergoes some instabilities.

A clear cut example in Eve Online is the instability of the in-game market caused by Goonswarm Federation and their allies. Many predicted that the market will fail under such strain and cause the game to implode under its own weight. But the Invisible Hand Theory ensured that such a thing would never happen because other players, mainly those who are not associated with Goonswarm were able to help balance the economy as they took advantage of the price fluctuations. For example, if the price rises on a certain commodity then manufacturers will produce and traders will sell said commodity in bulk to cash in on the price spike. This cause the price to drop to a more manageable level. If the price drops too low and supply is abundant then buyers and traders will buy in bulk and cause the supply to lower and thus prices to rise. The free-market system is basically a self-fulfilling prophecy.

In short, EvE players will decide prices and who gets what. Tbh? Way to ruin the game. Give all EvE players prototype access while everyone who isn't in EvE pays 4 billion per protosuit. Yay for live markets. Oh and that's 4 billion IF you are fighting for them. Fighting against them? Gtfo.
Tbh EvE players screwing with pricing will totally screw the game, and CCP need to figure out a way to deal with this.

EvE players can totally ruin dust if they do choose basically, they earn billions of ISK. A good miner will earn more ISK than all of us beta testers put together. So yeah, money will flow bak to EvE and probably never return.

I don't think you understand how a capitalistic economy works, with this logic almost every ship would be unaffordable.
Things will be fine, as the cutthroat economy will mean someone will always undersell someone else. Jita is a perfect example of this.

In short, EvE players will decide prices and who gets what. Tbh? Way to ruin the game. Give all EvE players prototype access while everyone who isn't in EvE pays 4 billion per protosuit. Yay for live markets. Oh and that's 4 billion IF you are fighting for them. Fighting against them? Gtfo.
Tbh EvE players screwing with pricing will totally screw the game, and CCP need to figure out a way to deal with this.

EvE players can totally ruin dust if they do choose basically, they earn billions of ISK. A good miner will earn more ISK than all of us beta testers put together. So yeah, money will flow bak to EvE and probably never return.

I know I know. Just laying down the worst case scenario for us Dusters. I mentioned protosuits because there is nothing better. It's the battleship of Dust. 4billion was an exaggeration. However 1mil per suit would be tough on us Mercs. EvE players lol @ 1 mil.

Not if you are producing it. Then we work for you, no choice if we want good gear. I'm only playing devils advocate here.

I don't think you understand how a capitalistic economy works, with this logic almost every ship would be unaffordable.
Things will be fine, as the cutthroat economy will mean someone will always undersell someone else. China, America and other Western civilisations are perfect example of this.

Not if you are producing it. Then we work for you, no choice if we want good gear. I'm only playing devils advocate here.

Not if you are producing it. Then we work for you, no choice if we want good gear. I'm only playing devils advocate here.

While that is a good point, its still missing some of the factors in play. Among others is the fact that we, as a playerbase, do -not- cooperate. I think the Jita Riots was one of the few examples of all of us agreeing on something. We may only have 400k players, compared to other MMOs, but the market system among other factors means that we all have our own agendas and we'll all do whatever it takes to further them.
So, as in EVE, you -will- find people selling Prototype gear for 1 million ISK. And you will also find people selling it for 9-12k. You're going to start to see that the gear you buy will vary in price dramatically based on location. If War Barges are going to function like Jump Freighters, aka be gate capable, then I wouldn't be surprised to see those joining the population of Jita looking to get a good deal on hardware. For every person that over-inflates a price, there will be someone else to undercut them to make a profit. The market tends to balance itself out fairly nicely.
Just make sure you -NEVER- buy -ANYTHING- from Contracts. Don't ever trust a single one of them.

Not if you are producing it. Then we work for you, no choice if we want good gear. I'm only playing devils advocate here.

So the only situation in which it could really be an issue is if EVE players as an almost entire entity decided to collude and raise prices as a bloc similar to how OPEC operates in the real world, but on a much larger scale. Of course, there would be no reason for this to occur - everyone would lose money and an effective fighting force.

You heard of OTEC?
The thing to really remember is that if these problems occur, it would affect all dusters with poor contacts fairly evenly, so everyone would be in advanced gear at best. Tbh it's not so much of a problem IMHO, and just a possibility. Any Dusters can always join a null alliance in the long run and will be getting sorted nicely anyway. Provided they're winning

I hope that the active cloaks will be billions each though. I hate invisible people. Especially with a shotgun.

Let me put it another way. EVE is very capitalistic, as Milk Supreme is pointing out. Everyone is also at war with everyone at all times, in all senses of the word.

See: Eve is serious business

Attacking someone and gaining an advantage in the market is a form of PvP. If I think I can gear up my industrial corps and gain a foothold in the market by undercutting everyone else selling 4 million isk suits, imagine the blow I can do by selling my suits for a mere 100,000 ISK.

Suddenly the competition is sitting on entire warehouses of useless suits that are not selling, I gain a reputation for selling suits at dirtcheap prices, and everyone has to scramble to compensate, leaving serious corporations quickly adapting to my prices and leaving the casuals being cut completely out of the market game until they notice. So the other corporations adapt by offering competitive prices, but I already have another price drop in effect and in 24 hours my suits are now down to a mere 50,000 isk due to preplanning.

Very quickly this will devolve into people offering very similar prices in the manufacturing cost in the major trade hubs, and heavy price wars in other regions where the suits are much more rare due to a lack of manufacturers or being more exotic. The Navy Issue Scorpion is a perfect example of this. In Jita (the main trade hub) Every Caldari Scorp' is priced at about 322 million, with variances in only a few thousand ISK from each other, but only in places like Minmatar space (less demand due to less people knowing how to fly it, and it being more exotic, and less manufacturers, and knowing people will pay extra money to save trips so far by buying a Caldary BS in Minny space), it can range to about 400Million.

Nobody prices things at insane levels in EVE, as that is a great way to shoot yourself in the foot by wasting resources and sitting on a now-useless stockpile of garbage.


No EVE players are going to "band together" and pricehike, when it is every alliance/corp/player for his/herself trying to get an edge. Money is a massive motivator.

You heard of OTEC?

The thing to really remember is that if these problems occur, it would affect all dusters with poor contacts fairly evenly, so everyone would be in advanced gear at best. Tbh it's not so much of a problem IMHO, and just a possibility. Any Dusters can always join a null alliance in the long run and will be getting sorted nicely anyway. Provided they're winning

I hope that the active cloaks will be billions each though. I hate invisible people. Especially with a shotgun.

In point of fact, a -lot- of people price things at insane levels in EVE. They just do it because every now and then someone will buy the item without looking, thus giving them a windfall of ISK for something not worth nearly that much. Which is also why, as I said, you should never buy from contracts.

I should also point out that common ISK scamming like this is not the majority of sells, and more power to the sharks who are the living enactment of "stupid people tax."

I do love the people who do not notice the extra three zeros and such on things, or don't research when buying very expensive rare items.

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Now don't you start...