DUST Search - New map to beta test anytime soon?

SoLJae wrote:

Laheon wrote:

KingBlade82 wrote:

yeah im not sure how that works :P i heard that on the fanfest videos thats alot of maps idk if that is the right # though

Well, what they do is they generate a map based on the terrain. This means they have a basic map, with no textures, or buildings, or anything. Imagine a transparent desert. They then texture the terrain with respect to the planet type.

This means they can have the same basic terrain for a temperate, ice, desert, etc planet. They then add in the buildings to certain building slots, meaning the map can look and play radically different each time.

This will mean that though there are 3,000 planets at launch (no source for that - approx number of temperate planets in EVE), they plan to have something like 10-20 sectors on each planet, each being 5km x 5km, so there's a huge area to cover on each planet.

That would roughly equate to, on the low side, about 750,000 square kilometers to cover. Now, if all the terrain is the same (or at least similar), you can cut it down to one sector on one planet, which means just 25 square km. The maps aren't that big yet, but it's coming soon.

That appears to be a massive undertaking, yet you make it sound simple, which if it is SIMPLE, then maybe CCP can generate a handful more new maps for us to test.

I hope that is what happens in August with the new build--that we get to see this fancy map generator in use--If not, and we are still playing the same few maps as we already have, then i really doubt a Final release in 2012.

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jus nukem 19	Posted - 2012.07.19 15:20:00 - [1] - Quote Been playing on the same map now for 3 weeks straight! Its quite tedious. Seeing how the game is supposedly scheduled to launch within the next couple of months or so, wouldn't testing various maps help in the development of the game tremendously?
4447 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 649	Posted - 2012.07.19 15:21:00 - [2] - Quote +1
Renzo Kuken Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 369	Posted - 2012.07.19 15:23:00 - [3] - Quote jus nukem wrote: Been playing on the same map now for 3 weeks straight! Its quite tedious. Seeing how the game is supposedly scheduled to launch within the next couple of months or so, wouldn't testing various maps help in the development of the game tremendously? do you not read the forums??? we get the new build in august
jus nukem 19	Posted - 2012.07.19 15:51:00 - [4] - Quote do you not read the forums??? we get the new build in august [/quote] One lousy map, when there are numerous maps to test= FAIL
jus nukem 19	Posted - 2012.07.19 15:52:00 - [5] - Quote jus nukem wrote: do you not read the forums??? we get the new build in august One lousy map a month, when there are numerous maps to test before launch= FAIL
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 153	Posted - 2012.07.19 15:57:00 - [6] - Quote Um, they don't particularly need to test the maps. They randomly generate the terrain and add in buildings into slots. If they wanted you to test every map, you'd have to test... um... what was that number? 3k x 12 = 36k maps. Good luck with that. Seeing as they've released three maps, and all seem to work well, I'd say that CCP's map generator is doing well.
KingBlade82 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2012.07.19 16:02:00 - [7] - Quote Laheon wrote: Um, they don't particularly need to test the maps. They randomly generate the terrain and add in buildings into slots. If they wanted you to test every map, you'd have to test... um... what was that number? 3k x 12 = 36k maps. Good luck with that. Seeing as they've released three maps, and all seem to work well, I'd say that CCP's map generator is doing well. yeah im not sure how that works :P i heard that on the fanfest videos thats alot of maps idk if that is the right # though
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.07.19 16:02:00 - [8] - Quote jus nukem wrote: Renzo Kuken wrote: do you not read the forums??? we get the new build in august One lousy map, when there are numerous maps to test= FAIL TWO maps please. While I pretend Communications doesn't exist, it does not change the fact that it is there for Ambush
Nu11u5 Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 73	Posted - 2012.07.19 16:11:00 - [9] - Quote Can we get Biomass installation back for Ambush this weekend?
SoLJae ZionTCD Legacy Rising 351	Posted - 2012.07.19 16:17:00 - [10] - Quote KingBlade82 wrote: Laheon wrote: Um, they don't particularly need to test the maps. They randomly generate the terrain and add in buildings into slots. If they wanted you to test every map, you'd have to test... um... what was that number? 3k x 12 = 36k maps. Good luck with that. Seeing as they've released three maps, and all seem to work well, I'd say that CCP's map generator is doing well. yeah im not sure how that works :P i heard that on the fanfest videos thats alot of maps idk if that is the right # though I don't think anyone is asking to test out ALL the thousands of maps that are supposedly appearing in the final build. But it sure is odd with the approaching acknowledged release date--Q4,2012--that we aren't playing a few more maps to test how they randomly generate, the different play styles on different varieties, or even how the diifferent terrain setups will effect balnce between teams. ............Maybe this game will be delayed and not release in 2012 at all. It happens all the time to other properties.

Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 153	Posted - 2012.07.19 16:17:00 - [11] - Quote KingBlade82 wrote: yeah im not sure how that works :P i heard that on the fanfest videos thats alot of maps idk if that is the right # though Well, what they do is they generate a map based on the terrain. This means they have a basic map, with no textures, or buildings, or anything. Imagine a transparent desert. They then texture the terrain with respect to the planet type. This means they can have the same basic terrain for a temperate, ice, desert, etc planet. They then add in the buildings to certain building slots, meaning the map can look and play radically different each time. This will mean that though there are 3,000 planets at launch (no source for that - approx number of temperate planets in EVE), they plan to have something like 10-20 sectors on each planet, each being 5km x 5km, so there's a huge area to cover on each planet. That would roughly equate to, on the low side, about 750,000 square kilometers to cover. Now, if all the terrain is the same (or at least similar), you can cut it down to one sector on one planet, which means just 25 square km. The maps aren't that big yet, but it's coming soon.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.07.19 16:17:00 - [12] - Quote Nu11u5 wrote: Can we get Biomass installation back for Ambush this weekend? I kinda miss the two stage Skirmish battle.
Deskalkulos Ildigan CrimeWave Syndicate 115	Posted - 2012.07.19 16:22:00 - [13] - Quote me too. . . But on the other hand i'd like to test a "pure" infantry map, after this months map was quite vehicle-focused i'd like to see some heavy indoor/infantry testing going on. maybe with the sliding mechanic on top :3
SoLJae ZionTCD Legacy Rising 351	Posted - 2012.07.19 16:25:00 - [14] - Quote Laheon wrote: KingBlade82 wrote: yeah im not sure how that works :P i heard that on the fanfest videos thats alot of maps idk if that is the right # though Well, what they do is they generate a map based on the terrain. This means they have a basic map, with no textures, or buildings, or anything. Imagine a transparent desert. They then texture the terrain with respect to the planet type. This means they can have the same basic terrain for a temperate, ice, desert, etc planet. They then add in the buildings to certain building slots, meaning the map can look and play radically different each time. This will mean that though there are 3,000 planets at launch (no source for that - approx number of temperate planets in EVE), they plan to have something like 10-20 sectors on each planet, each being 5km x 5km, so there's a huge area to cover on each planet. That would roughly equate to, on the low side, about 750,000 square kilometers to cover. Now, if all the terrain is the same (or at least similar), you can cut it down to one sector on one planet, which means just 25 square km. The maps aren't that big yet, but it's coming soon. That appears to be a massive undertaking, yet you make it sound simple, which if it is SIMPLE, then maybe CCP can generate a handful more new maps for us to test. I hope that is what happens in August with the new build--that we get to see this fancy map generator in use--If not, and we are still playing the same few maps as we already have, then i really doubt a Final release in 2012.
KingBlade82 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2012.07.19 16:29:00 - [15] - Quote SoLJae wrote: Laheon wrote: KingBlade82 wrote: yeah im not sure how that works :P i heard that on the fanfest videos thats alot of maps idk if that is the right # though Well, what they do is they generate a map based on the terrain. This means they have a basic map, with no textures, or buildings, or anything. Imagine a transparent desert. They then texture the terrain with respect to the planet type. This means they can have the same basic terrain for a temperate, ice, desert, etc planet. They then add in the buildings to certain building slots, meaning the map can look and play radically different each time. This will mean that though there are 3,000 planets at launch (no source for that - approx number of temperate planets in EVE), they plan to have something like 10-20 sectors on each planet, each being 5km x 5km, so there's a huge area to cover on each planet. That would roughly equate to, on the low side, about 750,000 square kilometers to cover. Now, if all the terrain is the same (or at least similar), you can cut it down to one sector on one planet, which means just 25 square km. The maps aren't that big yet, but it's coming soon. That appears to be a massive undertaking, yet you make it sound simple, which if it is SIMPLE, then maybe CCP can generate a handful more new maps for us to test. I hope that is what happens in August with the new build--that we get to see this fancy map generator in use--If not, and we are still playing the same few maps as we already have, then i really doubt a Final release in 2012. also if they add too many maps the numbers for the areas will be small and not as productive and we just need wayyyy more people for it
Deskalkulos Ildigan CrimeWave Syndicate 115	Posted - 2012.07.19 16:37:00 - [16] - Quote Actually i hope that there is a proper betaphase which ranges into 2013 . . . with an extra suit / item every 2 weeks (thanks to the events) i think we will get some fancy equip once the game goes online
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.19 16:46:00 - [17] - Quote Renzo Kuken wrote: do you not read the forums??? we get the new build in august Do you not read the forums? The "August release" isn't even confirmed to be A new build, let alone the next one. There's still more than a week until August, which is plenty of time for a new build to show up, and the announcement in August that just happens to coincide with some new gear being unlocked could easily be for EVE, and not actually DUST-related other than the beta bonuses being given to us that day.
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.07.19 17:26:00 - [18] - Quote Well I needed an excuse to play the gw2 beta. Really was expecting at least a new old ambush map. But really its the off week do we get birthing but the right to play on the servers. Gw2 only brings up servers once a month for this reason, then they slam the beta forums shut after a weak so no one can whine about nerfs and changes to an unfinished game. Maybe dust should only open once a month so you kids will stop whining.
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.07.19 18:15:00 - [19] - Quote guild wars 2 is only open for 2 days every few months, maybe they should do we we stop complaining
McFurious BetaMax. 67	Posted - 2012.07.19 18:26:00 - [20] - Quote It's a beta so we get what we get. I'm just really burnt out on Plateau. I've been waiting all week to play but I couldn't stand more than one match before I had to stop. August is almost here anyway. Hopefully they release something in early August rather than late August.

Bulletwielder Doomheim 12	Posted - 2012.07.19 18:54:00 - [21] - Quote The maps are procedurally created and as such the numbers are going to be crazy and maps will not be balanced, and nor should they. Home field advantages and such. The world of New Eden is not fair. What you should really be wanting and asking for is all the different complexes that players will be able to put in the said maps. These complexes will change the balance of the game far more than any random terrain. And the ability to drop certain installations onto the maps where we want will add a huge different to the maps. Even on the same map, once we get the ability to choose what buildings and turret structures to scatter around the map, the battles will become vastly different each time you play, same map or not. You will not be board on the same map then, as you will be trying to master the defense and assault placement of all the complex moving parts of placing buildings.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.07.19 18:59:00 - [22] - Quote Deskalkulos Ildigan wrote: me too. . . But on the other hand i'd like to test a "pure" infantry map, after this months map was quite vehicle-focused i'd like to see some heavy indoor/infantry testing going on. maybe with the sliding mechanic on top :3 um, no. first of all, there isnt a pure infantry map...at least not that has been announced. if anything, the hostile planets will be vehicles only. Why would a corp paying for defense of planets gimp their own defense by not funding vehicles?
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 153	Posted - 2012.07.19 20:06:00 - [23] - Quote Deskalkulos Ildigan wrote: But on the other hand i'd like to test a "pure" infantry map, after this months map was quite vehicle-focused i'd like to see some heavy indoor/infantry testing going on. maybe with the sliding mechanic on top :3 All maps, at release, will be (I believe) 5km x 5km in size. Have fun walking that 5km without dropships, tanks, LAV's etc. In short, CCP wants to make this as large a scale as possible, so vehicles are absolutely necessary. You're fighting over a PLANET!
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 437	Posted - 2012.07.19 20:15:00 - [24] - Quote We finally got a build that didn't crash every second battle and fixed a ton of issues in addition to greatly improved graphics, and suddenly people are crying cause we didn't get enough maps?
jus nukem 19	Posted - 2012.07.19 22:19:00 - [25] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: We finally got a build that didn't crash every second battle and fixed a ton of issues in addition to greatly improved graphics, and suddenly people are crying cause we didn't get enough maps? Alot of ppl are just tired of the same old layout. The game shouldn't have to be an absolute chore ya know
Xocoyol Zaraoul Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 259	Posted - 2012.07.19 22:22:00 - [26] - Quote Technically there are five maps. Biomass. Communications (old). Communications (new, different hills surrounding map making significant changes to sniper and vehicular combat). Steppe Plains (or whatever the new one is called). Craterlake (what used to be the linkup for the old skirmish modes back when we had Defense Relays).
Anatoly Gasputin Doomheim 40	Posted - 2012.07.19 22:24:00 - [27] - Quote Well I could go wrong when thinking that not all maps are going to be "vehicle heavy". Oh and on ambush, stay indoors with a group, vehicles can't kill you and you are in a great defensive position when their infantry comes.
jus nukem 19	Posted - 2012.07.19 22:39:00 - [28] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Technically there are five maps. Biomass. Communications (old). Communications (new, different hills surrounding map making significant changes to sniper and vehicular combat). Steppe Plains (or whatever the new one is called). Craterlake (what used to be the linkup for the old skirmish modes back when we had Defense Relays). How come all i've been getting is plateau and communications?
Xocoyol Zaraoul Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 259	Posted - 2012.07.19 22:52:00 - [29] - Quote jus nukem wrote: How come all i've been getting is plateau and communications? Because I meant to say Were not Are an/or could have worded things differently ^^ It was a response to someone earlier saying we only have tested three, when we have actually tested five. EDIT: I suppose there are still five maps, just only two are in rotation ^^
Anatoly Gasputin Doomheim 40	Posted - 2012.07.19 22:53:00 - [30] - Quote jus nukem wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Technically there are five maps. Biomass. Communications (old). Communications (new, different hills surrounding map making significant changes to sniper and vehicular combat). Steppe Plains (or whatever the new one is called). Craterlake (what used to be the linkup for the old skirmish modes back when we had Defense Relays). How come all i've been getting is plateau and communications? How long have you been a part of beta? Maps changed after the new build was introduced.

Renzo Kuken Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 369	Posted - 2012.07.20 04:26:00 - [31] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Renzo Kuken wrote: do you not read the forums??? we get the new build in august Do you not read the forums? The "August release" isn't even confirmed to be A new build, let alone the next one. There's still more than a week until August, which is plenty of time for a new build to show up, and the announcement in August that just happens to coincide with some new gear being unlocked could easily be for EVE, and not actually DUST-related other than the beta bonuses being given to us that day. the new buld has been confirmed to be in august so yeah i read the forums
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.07.20 07:19:00 - [32] - Quote I am so tired of the current map. I once loved it, but now it's dreadfully boring, and I am not a fan of TDM.. I just pull in a vehicle and make everyone upset.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.20 08:27:00 - [33] - Quote Renzo Kuken wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Renzo Kuken wrote: do you not read the forums??? we get the new build in august Do you not read the forums? The "August release" isn't even confirmed to be A new build, let alone the next one. There's still more than a week until August, which is plenty of time for a new build to show up, and the announcement in August that just happens to coincide with some new gear being unlocked could easily be for EVE, and not actually DUST-related other than the beta bonuses being given to us that day. the new buld has been confirmed to be in august so yeah i read the forums I've looked for it multiple times, and haven't found any instance of a dev confirming that. Got a link?


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