Because they are planning very large battles.

This build? I don't know, just doesn't seem like they made progress in the right areas IMHO.

Yep feels like they slowed it down this build.
I'm playing alot with some MAG guys and its clear this would be the new home. I dont see whats so wrong with comparing hell steal any good stuff you can.

I agree, MAG did some really good stuff for FPS's... I wonder if Sony used MAG as a test for something like Dust, I only say that because what was the point of MAG 2.0? I mean how many other games have had that kind of an overhaul?

Please. An overhaul? That? More like it only fixed some issues, but ended up creating whole new ones. I was present for that [beta] as well. The game was best at release before the patches started to hinder and create problems. Took almost a year for the shotgun to become bearable again, and SMG's suffered a massive nerfing. I still remember the first day of release. Great times! Then the patches came.

Actually Zipper stated that MAG started out as just a build to test out SOCOM in first person, but ended up becoming it's own game after some time. It's funny though because, MAG was treated horribly by Zipper, and even hurt by Zipper in many ways in which divided the community, and lack of proper support hurt MAG itself, but I found it ironic that after Zipper had turned it's back on MAG for SOCOM4 that SOCOM4 became the flop that shut them down. Yup. Sony done put old Seabiscut out back and shot it. Closing the doors to Zipper studios forever. Cannot seriously blame them though.

You know it's bad when people go back to SOCOM:Confrontation and end up having for more fun with Slant/Six Games first console title then they did with killstreak SOCOM4. Came out unfinished, ripped apart, and sold seperatly. I do not blame people (especially those of us who remember SOCOMbattles, and were there in the beginning.) I mean I can tolerate change, but that was just horrible. Atleast Slant/SIx eventually was able to make SOCOM:Confrontation playable and somewhat enjoyable. I still wish I did not need a sprint button, but meh.. Could have been worse, and I'm talking about a game that day one was unplayable (literally).

What Zipper should have done was keep up support, and instead of continuously adding more game modes, they should have just added more individual maps that would have spanned to the current three game modes we already had. The addition of more game modes did not do a thing to help the game, and only created more problems. The second problem was lack of proper advertisment and a proper bundle with headset (which amazingly enough SOCOM:Confrontation managed to include!)

(Note: I do not and will not ever condone high ranking players, and especially veterans going into the boot camp "TDM".)

Mike, guns and stuff to pay for = pay to win
New game mode = pay for game mode
The problem was the players, not the game. How many thousand people are Playin suppression right now... More than every other game mode put together. Losers.

Mike, guns and stuff to pay for = pay to win
New game mode = pay for game mode
The problem was the players, not the game. How many thousand people are Playin suppression right now... More than every other game mode put together. Losers.

Wow I'm surprized, this is one of the first threads with any mention of MAG that wasn't immediately flamed. I've been here since the very first wave of beta keys and up until this point any thread that even had the name mag in it was trolled heavily. Granted it wasn't by aqny means perfect I feel ccp can take a couple of notes from mag. Bevlieve it or not mag still has a loyal following even after all this time, so obviously they did something right.

I thought the way MAG handled voip was fantastic.

Communication between platoon and squad leaders or OIC and company, when used right. were really impressive.

^^This^^

Plus I want Dust to have the Squad Box (or something similar) on the HUD. The info in that little box at the bottom right of my screen was awesome: Who's Dead, Who's Alive, Who's waiting to spawn and how soon, Who's talking... I hope CCP implements something similar

+1 for who is talking.

I hate asking who people are.

Before you guys showed up, any mention of mag was flamed. Its good to see some positive voices giving input other than just eve-ers flaming. Mag had some great aspects that i would not only love to see in dust, but feel it could make this game so much more. The chat system in general was superb, Squad, platoon, proxy ect would be great in dust. But the first wave of non-mag beta players didn't feel the same way. You guys really should have seen the forums before you got here, it was pretty bad.

Like i said in my last post, I have over 1000 hrs into mag and have yet to find another game i can invest that must time into and still have as much fun as i did. I just really hope dust can evolve into that game, and i do see it happening eventually. But first CCP need to get their butts in gear and release a grouping system ASAP. Even with all the stupid imbalances in this game as it stands, they would be much more tolerable in the presence of good friends and/or good players that you know have your back. At least for me, playing with randoms just doesn't have that fun factor, especially when there is nothing but HAVs and dropships everywhere.

They play supression only because, it's gives the most experience, and due to the fact that waiting for the larger game modes especially now are a waste of time. Trying to get into a game is just you sitting in a que hoping to the lords of gaming that you can get into a game, and then if you are lucky to get into a game it's horribly lop-sided. Why would anyone want to suffer that. Domination is just you sitting in a que or a one sided fight (where you are either punching the baby, or the baby being punched.) Personally I was always a huge fan of acquisition, but even then before I officially stopped playing due to the DLC packs it became a waiting game to get in. It's only gotten worse I'm sure.

I'm surprised you just do not blame SVER. Seems like what everyone else did.

1000 hours also in Mag,Community (Friends chatting and working together "clans" are why we could put those hours into that game ,Systems froze,lag rubberbanding .Friends made it bearable.

Yeah, damn shame that zipper dropped MAG, once socom4 development ramped up. MAG was the better game. large battles, decent fps mechanics, with just a little sprinkle of rpgish skill point system. If they just focused on a way to make the "shadow war" a perpetual conflict (like dust will be) and added new maps, I'd still be playing to this day.