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Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.07.04 08:59:00 -
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Right now the bonus SP and anti-grind timer appear to be set to a clock. If your schedule overlaps correctly, you are at a huge advantage for SP gain simply by merit of time-zone. This simply feels wrong. Furthermore, people are very confused by the unpredictability of bonus SP given the myriad threads discussing the system. I propose the system can be demystified and taken off a timer without breaking the intention of encouraging regular play while discouraging grinding.
I recommend a system using 3 pools of SP. It may even be similar to the current system, but easier to understand and more importantly, more accessible to different schedules.
The first pool is passive SP. This is the same as it is now.
The second pool is the bonus SP. This is currently in game behind a voodoo algorithm.
The third pool is the active SP. This is earned by playing matches.
The important change here is the bonus SP collects at a fixed rate like passive SP, and you can see exactly how much is in this pool as well as how full it is. I would suggest 2-3 days of 0 drain as the maximum cap, with potentially AUR purchases extending this. You would then convert this SP into available SP by earning active SP. CCP could even keep their same diminish returns algorithm (so the closer you are to the cap, the faster you convert it).
Several advantages I see to a visible bonus pool
- You can see exactly how much you have to go until you are "grinding"
- You are not penalized from being successful due to erratic schedules
- It clearly shows the benefits of playing regularly, since overflow is lost
A player that logs in once a day will see no change. A player that can only play an hour a day during the week can manage the bank enough to stop it from overflowing to then collect on the weekend. A player that has atypical or unpredictable schedules will still gain the same as a regular player if they put in the same time. I see this system helping people from feeling like they are falling behind even if they are still able to play regularly. That should help with player retention of the most at risk group - those who like the game but can't grind hardcore.
Please feel free to add comments about question or concerns. |
Karras Hearn
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.04 09:02:00 -
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+1 for this |
Red at Math
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.04 09:07:00 -
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I support this product and/or service. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2012.07.04 09:15:00 -
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Interesting, so the Bonus Pool is somewhat like a "Happy Hour" where you can gain additional SP but only until the pool is dry. Since the pool is constantly refilling however, it's not affected by any sort of omnipotent-clock mechanism which allows people who play at certain times of the day to "double up" on the additional SP associated with the early-day SP bonus we currently have.
Very interesting indeed, it would certainly help with the QQing people are having about making less SP over time since your system since you make a constant amount of SP, but with a bonus amount as long as you have SP in your bonus pool. Very well thought out, I fully support this SP system. |
Aeneas Imperious
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.04 09:53:00 -
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+1 |
Thunder Zephyr
BetaMax.
5
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Posted - 2012.07.04 09:54:00 -
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i also very much like this idea, please implement it. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.07.04 11:54:00 -
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Red at Math wrote:I support this product and/or service.
I agree with the sentiments of this thread, and in addition, found the above-quoted post to be inordinately amusing. |
Commander Xtreme
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.04 16:43:00 -
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I think its a very good idea, would like to get a Dev to reply to this if possible, I think its a good idea - Would appreciate Dev response even if the idea is rejected :)
+5 to original poster |
Skytt Syysch
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
235
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Posted - 2012.07.04 17:04:00 -
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I would rather a pool than a few games bonus anyway, purely for the consistency of how much bonus is available (as much as I love joining a game in progress as my first game of the day, and getting garbage for SP).
I don't think the current system favors people in certain time zones, though. I've noticed the "new day" begins at about 5pm for me. I can play before 5pm, get my bonus, and then play after 5pm and get a new bonus period. However, if I play the next day before 5pm, I'm still making my diminishing returns worse, carrying over from the night before. It would really only matter if comparing two people in two different time zones who can only play one day every few days. If you're playing at a consistent time every day, it makes no difference to you. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects
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Posted - 2012.07.04 18:27:00 -
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Skytt Syysch wrote:I would rather a pool than a few games bonus anyway, purely for the consistency of how much bonus is available (as much as I love joining a game in progress as my first game of the day, and getting garbage for SP).
I don't think the current system favors people in certain time zones, though. I've noticed the "new day" begins at about 5pm for me. I can play before 5pm, get my bonus, and then play after 5pm and get a new bonus period. However, if I play the next day before 5pm, I'm still making my diminishing returns worse, carrying over from the night before. It would really only matter if comparing two people in two different time zones who can only play one day every few days. If you're playing at a consistent time every day, it makes no difference to you.
The issue is, you could play every other day and get the same SP as someone that plays every day, since your playtime crosses that invisible line. I would love to see bonus point management managed by players. Furthermore, it gives them opportunity to sell AUR items to improve that bank, letting people who can't play for a week pay to not fall lose out. Seems like a win-win to me.
Thanks for all the feedback and support guys. I'm also interested to hear what CCP's opinion on this is. |
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Telcontar Dunedain
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
328
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Posted - 2012.07.04 18:36:00 -
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I think the most important thing is for the "bonus" sp to be clearly separated and labeled.
Being able to see how much of a penalty/lack of bonus you are under should come first.
I don't have a big opinion on how the algorithm works until it's visible and clear to everyone. |
Otosan Ookami
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2012.07.04 19:02:00 -
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Clarity is good.
CCP loves charts.
You'd think this would be natural for them by now. |
Skytt Syysch
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
235
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Posted - 2012.07.04 19:35:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Skytt Syysch wrote:I would rather a pool than a few games bonus anyway, purely for the consistency of how much bonus is available (as much as I love joining a game in progress as my first game of the day, and getting garbage for SP).
I don't think the current system favors people in certain time zones, though. I've noticed the "new day" begins at about 5pm for me. I can play before 5pm, get my bonus, and then play after 5pm and get a new bonus period. However, if I play the next day before 5pm, I'm still making my diminishing returns worse, carrying over from the night before. It would really only matter if comparing two people in two different time zones who can only play one day every few days. If you're playing at a consistent time every day, it makes no difference to you. The issue is, you could play every other day and get the same SP as someone that plays every day
Only if the number of games are the same on average per day, as in I play 3 every day, and you play 6 every other day - 3 before the "new day" and 3 after. Otherwise, any extra games I play that don't have a bonus attached would ultimately give me more SP.
I'm still in favor of some sort of pool or "rested xp" as MMOs tend to do kind of system, instead of "first few games" kind of system, even if it ultimately leads to lower SP in favor of consistency. To give an example, my first game today resulted in just over 200k SP (without a booster, would have gotten dumber with), and I'm guessing I still had a couple games left of bonus SP, which is totally unfair to the guy who manages 40k or so with the bonus. |
steadyhand 08 orti
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:31:00 -
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i know im going to be shot for saying this, but i quite liked EvE skill system, as baiscly no matter how crazy my life got i always new i was leveling, in fact i would get all the skills together long before i got the isk, i would quite like a return to that system :( |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.07.04 23:21:00 -
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steadyhand 08 orti wrote:i know im going to be shot for saying this, but i quite liked EvE skill system, as baiscly no matter how crazy my life got i always new i was leveling, in fact i would get all the skills together long before i got the isk, i would quite like a return to that system :(
The nature of DUST requires active skill gain. However, the balance will be mainly passive. The bonus SP would be a hybrid, a passive bank that requires a small amount of active play to collect. The grind SP (pure active) would likely be the smallest portion. Pure passive cannot be the greatest portion of SP though, because the game is free to play so anyone could be using advanced gear without investing in the game. We need people to be playing in the universe to have any real content. |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.09 23:35:00 -
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This would be fantastic, +1 for the idea! |
Otosan Ookami
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2012.07.09 23:43:00 -
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I'll Agree with this simply as a parent of 3 very active kids.
Sometimes they get run off for a few hours with grandma and I have all day to sit and shoot people.
Some days... well. they're kids. you get the idea.
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TMachine
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.07.09 23:58:00 -
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Signed. The SP system in general could stand to gain some clarity. Seeing as this is the chief character development mechanic I think it could use further polish. |
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