First of all, CCP, thank you for the E3 update. It's amazing!!!11!1!!111fifteen. And now I finally know who to shoot at thanks to changing the colors used for enemy indicators. THANK YOU!

Now, on to important stuff. I feel that KDR is not a good representation of a player's contribution to the battle. And plus, kill assists don't get counted so even if you get 20 assists, you'll still have a kill count of 0. I suggest replacing the KDR with a point system in which you get points for kills and assists and hacking objectives. It would make for a much better representation of a player's role on the battlefield. You could be the MVP in your team by being the one who hacks all the objective, even though you suck at aiming. IMHO you're a much more valuable asset than the guy with the perfect KDR.

I try to play logistic, and as it is now, it's a little unfair.
I feel the DKR as a handicap/constraint.

Being a logi is really hard right now, but being forced in to this DKR makes it more worse.

Eventhough I understand KDR does breed negativity in some players, I don't believe that that it should disappear altogether.

My KDR isn't amazing, I think I'm on a 1.6 at the minute, but I don't sit on a rock at the back of the map with a sniper rifle and I don't make a career by tank spamming. I'm an assault guy and I push objectives. I hack the odd objective, but I usually cover others while they hack. For someone like me there isn't a lot of points I can make other than for killing people. I drop ammo for players but they rarely pick it up. I don't understand that seeing as I run out of ammo all the time.

I think if there was a system where you could clearly see who was carrying ammo/health/whatever and you could request it, then KDR could take a back seat. I'd also like more points for supporting the team. In any shooter there will always be players that would rather get kills than go for objectives. I played a game yesterday where a sniper went 31-0, he lost. Right now there's no real penalty for just going for kills, but when the game is released and players aren't getting the SP due to the fact that they're camping it up, they will be left behind and will be forced to play.... eventually.

First of all, CCP, thank you for the E3 update. It's amazing!!!11!1!!111fifteen. And now I finally know who to shoot at thanks to changing the colors used for enemy indicators. THANK YOU!

Now, on to important stuff. I feel that KDR is not a good representation of a player's contribution to the battle. And plus, kill assists don't get counted so even if you get 20 assists, you'll still have a kill count of 0. I suggest replacing the KDR with a point system in which you get points for kills and assists and hacking objectives. It would make for a much better representation of a player's role on the battlefield. You could be the MVP in your team by being the one who hacks all the objective, even though you suck at aiming. IMHO you're a much more valuable asset than the guy with the perfect KDR.

First of all, CCP, thank you for the E3 update. It's amazing!!!11!1!!111fifteen. And now I finally know who to shoot at thanks to changing the colors used for enemy indicators. THANK YOU!

Now, on to important stuff. I feel that KDR is not a good representation of a player's contribution to the battle. And plus, kill assists don't get counted so even if you get 20 assists, you'll still have a kill count of 0. I suggest replacing the KDR with a point system in which you get points for kills and assists and hacking objectives. It would make for a much better representation of a player's role on the battlefield. You could be the MVP in your team by being the one who hacks all the objective, even though you suck at aiming. IMHO you're a much more valuable asset than the guy with the perfect KDR.

I definitely support this! I am thinking a battle summary similar to MAG or BF3. You still get the KDR, but you can tell right away who was pushing objectives and playing team support.

Don't steal my ideas phantom.

LET US UNITE OUR POWERS OF REASON

K/D is meaningless, and easily manipulated.

Whoa! A medic... That is like a unicorn right? Something you hear about, but never see. Oh my lord! A medic! Ah!

Please. Continue to be a medic. Barbers are necessary damnit! Also I would really enjoy it if CCP implemented a way to notify medics of someone who wants to be revived. You know.. Something.. I just sit there bleeding. Death at my door. My poor clone.

As a medic myself I totally agree that there should be a way to see people in need of being revived. MAG (for all of its faults) does a good job of this, and a similar system here would be great.

First of all, CCP, thank you for the E3 update. It's amazing!!!11!1!!111fifteen. And now I finally know who to shoot at thanks to changing the colors used for enemy indicators. THANK YOU!

Now, on to important stuff. I feel that KDR is not a good representation of a player's contribution to the battle. And plus, kill assists don't get counted so even if you get 20 assists, you'll still have a kill count of 0. I suggest replacing the KDR with a point system in which you get points for kills and assists and hacking objectives. It would make for a much better representation of a player's role on the battlefield. You could be the MVP in your team by being the one who hacks all the objective, even though you suck at aiming. IMHO you're a much more valuable asset than the guy with the perfect KDR.

Edit:
I didn't mean to remove KDR altogether. What I'd like is the leaderboard to show points and only you can see your KDR and other stats, but everyone else just sees how many points you have.

I think something like this [1] would be quite awesome. Everyone sees how many points every other player has, but he can see his points broken down into every category.

[1] http://www.straferight.com/forums/attachments/shooters/14836d1209011828-official-post-your-tf2-screenshot-score-thread-tf2score.jpg

This game in it's current state is a glorified TDM regardless of what game mode you play. Until CCP decides to add things for people that can't kill anything to do it needs to stay.

Totally right guys. Grind time> Skill. Definite truth (sarcasm)

It's a beta, have fun and kdr *****

useless comment

Only an idiot would quote a useless comment so what does that say about you?

You just quoted a useless comment. That's like saying "never say never" when you said the word "never" twice.

And you did the same thing as well. Also how do you let a logi with a tac ar defeat your smg at point blank range?

Maybe they could rank player according to their contribution percentage and put the KDR next to it in parentheses; 17% (5/3) or something like it to stimulate objective based play. Also the whole reviving sequence is rather lengthy, swap to nanite injector (which is a pain, 50% of the time you end up standing there with a nanohive in your hands like an idiot), go to, revive, swap back to weapon, so unless you have squadmates providing cover fire it's nearly impossible to pull it off without dying yourself. A temporary shield boost while reviving would be useful.