DUST Search - What will Snipers serve for in Nova?

DeadlyAztec11 wrote:

Joel II X wrote:

Blue tag! Ehem, excuse me.

DUST Fiend wrote:

But mobile marksmen are made possible by 1 hit kills and quick scopes. If you have to sit still for 2 seconds at the end of a hall vs someone who can aim with any other gun you'll probably be having a bad day.

Just seems counter intuitive and a general push towards more generic twitch based gameplay. Guess we'll have to see.

Also, this.

Having to wait for the primer on the sniper, and playing on a closed off, small maps seem to reduce the sniper role from guarding/keeping track of a tactical location to run&gun general OHK quick scope, but worse because you can't actually quick scope.

Maybe if the final design is a bit more like Overwatch where the double jump can actually get you to places inaccessible to others like with Widow Maker and her hook, and rather than having a primer, have it be a Kaalkiota/Charge Rifle where you could either fire quick weak shots, or wait for the primer for stronger shots. However, this would hurt racial diversity for snipers, I think.

No it's easy.

Amarr would have the ability to hold a charge. The Caldari would have a quicker charge, but be unable to hold it. The Minmatar would have the ability to fire semi automatically for more moderate damage. The Gallente would be able to hold a charge and release it to fire a barrage of accurate plasma bolts in a single devastating burst somewhat like a long range shotgun, with the spread decreasing the longer the charge is held.

Boom. Your four main Sniper Rifles.

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Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 1262	Posted - 2017.05.23 12:19:00 - [31] - Quote Given the higher TTK and therefore unlikely snipers will 1 shot kill I think they should consider the sniper a support class adding additional effects to the shots. Such as: Target gets radar pinged Target loses some capacitor or deactivates mods Target is slowed Target suffer burn damage over time Or rip off overwatch and offer sniper healing/buffa The Final PLC Kill Dust 514 - My Final Moments
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 1899	Posted - 2017.05.23 13:00:00 - [32] - Quote Just a thought, but if snipers are now tactical rifles... What happens to the TacAR???! O____O' Also, just puttin it out there, but MAG's tier 1 sniper was pretty epic in close range battles, and you could pop heads at a distance when you could guess which pixel was their head...
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 10860	Posted - 2017.05.24 01:59:00 - [33] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Just a thought, but if snipers are now tactical rifles... What happens to the TacAR???! O____O' Also, just puttin it out there, but MAG's tier 1 sniper was pretty epic in close range battles, and you could pop heads at a distance when you could guess which pixel was their head... I think I've read somewhere that Nova weapons will be somewhat customizable. If this is true, we won't need the TAR. Just get your Gallente Battle Rifle, and customize it between the Assault, Tactical, and Breach at your leisure. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 10860	Posted - 2017.05.24 02:04:00 - [34] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Given the higher TTK and therefore unlikely snipers will 1 shot kill I think they should consider the sniper a support class adding additional effects to the shots. Such as: Target gets radar pinged Target loses some capacitor or deactivates mods Target is slowed Target suffer burn damage over time Or rip off overwatch and offer sniper healing/buffa If snipers aren't a OHK, then they'll fail as a weapon. Remember the Ronen Sniper? What did you do if you hit and left the guy barely breathing? If you were a smart man, you'd GTFO because they'd know what you're using and will come for you and/or notify their team your general location. If you don't get the OHK on a CQC based game and you have to constantly move around and relax after each shot, then you dun goofed. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 10860	Posted - 2017.05.24 02:18:00 - [35] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Joel II X wrote: Blue tag! Ehem, excuse me. DUST Fiend wrote: But mobile marksmen are made possible by 1 hit kills and quick scopes. If you have to sit still for 2 seconds at the end of a hall vs someone who can aim with any other gun you'll probably be having a bad day. Just seems counter intuitive and a general push towards more generic twitch based gameplay. Guess we'll have to see. Also, this. Having to wait for the primer on the sniper, and playing on a closed off, small maps seem to reduce the sniper role from guarding/keeping track of a tactical location to run&gun general OHK quick scope, but worse because you can't actually quick scope. Maybe if the final design is a bit more like Overwatch where the double jump can actually get you to places inaccessible to others like with Widow Maker and her hook, and rather than having a primer, have it be a Kaalkiota/Charge Rifle where you could either fire quick weak shots, or wait for the primer for stronger shots. However, this would hurt racial diversity for snipers, I think. No it's easy. Amarr would have the ability to hold a charge. The Caldari would have a quicker charge, but be unable to hold it. The Minmatar would have the ability to fire semi automatically for more moderate damage. The Gallente would be able to hold a charge and release it to fire a barrage of accurate plasma bolts in a single devastating burst somewhat like a long range shotgun, with the spread decreasing the longer the charge is held. Boom. Your four main Sniper Rifles. I don't think that would really work with what Rattati is going for. I assume that you meant that the rifles don't have to charge ala Dust's ScR to have an effect. Rattati seems to be fixed on "you have to wait x amount of time to fire at all". In that case, did you mean that you could hold the charge, but have to go through the process of charging it regardless? If that's the case, then it seems to be more of a hindrance for the snipers since they'd only be able to walk while holding the charge, while having to charge it prior to engagements in order to succeed. Also, the Minmatar Rifle doesn't seem as likely to exist because of what Rattati said. One mo' ting! What I meant by racial diversity, is that every rifle would have to have a priming phase, rather than having one race have a non-priming, but weak shots only and another be charge at 50% for med damage and at 100% for high, etc. I feel as if half the stuff I wrote doesn't make much sense. Let me know if it doesn't and I'll edit it later. I'm a bit tired right now. EDIT: I take back everything I said IF you only have to prime the weapon when aiming for that duration of the aim time. That is to say, as long as you are aiming down sights/scope, you only have to prime your rifle when you first took aim, not after each shot. I think this is what Rattati might be going for, now that I think about it clearly. Regardless, charging your rifle prior to engaging and then having to wait for the prime time when ADS seems counter intuitive to design. I dunno, man. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 10860	Posted - 2017.05.24 02:25:00 - [36] - Quote John Psi wrote: Joel II X wrote: What will Snipers serve for in Nova? For stupid camping and noob frag farming, as always and everywhere. Haha that would depend on the damage/RoF of the rifles. I don't think that'll be very likely, judging by the demo map, but who knows? *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
DeadlyAztec11 10169	Posted - 2017.05.24 04:22:00 - [37] - Quote Joel II X wrote: EDIT: I take back everything I said IF you only have to prime the weapon when aiming for that duration of the aim time. That is to say, as long as you are aiming down sights/scope, you only have to prime your rifle when you first took aim, not after each shot. I think this is what Rattati might be going for, now that I think about it clearly. Regardless, charging your rifle prior to engaging and then having to wait for the prime time when ADS seems counter intuitive to design. I dunno, man. You're over thinking it Joel. They could just make every sniper rifle widely inaccurate for the first .4 seconds then settle down to be perfectly still. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
deadpool lifetone D3ATH CARD RUST415 354	Posted - 2017.05.24 07:49:00 - [38] - Quote . All that matters is that "Senior Rat" is still amongst the living.....i dont really care what or how the maps get done as long as i can pew pew on ProjectNOVA ........like , i need that fix real bad lol "i just need a small sample to get hooked" . ( F U!!!! ) * ( Why Dead? ) , (n+Æn+Çn+¢´)GÇón++pâçGòÉS+ÇX - - - - n++(º Gûí º l\|l)/
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 1902	Posted - 2017.05.24 15:33:00 - [39] - Quote deadpool lifetone wrote: . i dont really care what or how the maps get done Somewhere out there... A LogicLoop can be heard crying.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 10861	Posted - 2017.05.24 17:15:00 - [40] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Joel II X wrote: EDIT: I take back everything I said IF you only have to prime the weapon when aiming for that duration of the aim time. That is to say, as long as you are aiming down sights/scope, you only have to prime your rifle when you first took aim, not after each shot. I think this is what Rattati might be going for, now that I think about it clearly. Regardless, charging your rifle prior to engaging and then having to wait for the prime time when ADS seems counter intuitive to design. I dunno, man. You're over thinking it Joel. They could just make every sniper rifle widely inaccurate for the first .4 seconds then settle down to be perfectly still. Haha, you're probably right. Who knows how they'll actually do it, though. I guess we'll just have to wait for more confirmation. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.

One Eyed King Nos Nothi 17191	Posted - 2017.05.24 18:50:00 - [41] - Quote As long as strafing left or right while scoped doesn't reset the sway. That was annoying. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
deadpool lifetone D3ATH CARD RUST415 356	Posted - 2017.05.26 10:53:00 - [42] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: deadpool lifetone wrote: . i dont really care what or how the maps get done Somewhere out there... A LogicLoop can be heard crying. . Loop dont count , he's actually one of the kool kids on the block..... "its ok , shhhh little loop , he didn't mean you" lol ( F U!!!! ) * ( Why Dead? ) , (n+Æn+Çn+¢´)GÇón++pâçGòÉS+ÇX - - - - n++(º Gûí º l\|l)/
Starlight Burner 625	Posted - 2017.05.31 05:12:00 - [43] - Quote Sniping looks like CoD with halo movement. Doesn't seem to play nor look like the Tactical shooter DUST514 was. CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation The Caldari will reign on high! Rock Band 4 is a joke
Banjo Robertson Random Gunz 844	Posted - 2017.06.01 21:31:00 - [44] - Quote I have always felt that FPS games in general went downhill when long range rifles used by snipers were added to them, and its been a poison in the entire genre since then, with the rare exception of single player games, and some few multiplayer games with maps large enough where it makese logical sense for there to actually be those kinds of rifles. Keep dust reborn clean, remove the poison it had the first time around. Remove the longer range sniping rifles.
Slightly-Mental Planetary Research and Investments 80	Posted - 2017.06.05 14:16:00 - [45] - Quote With better hit detection and a fixed issue of terrain and models popping in and out, you will find, snippers will easy adapt to any map or weapon.


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