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SuperMido
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:50:00 -
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As much as I like the new build with all of its improvements, I still think CCP lied to us with the "DUST 514 E3 2012 Beta Gameplay Trailer". They showed Orbital Bombardments, they showed the Space Artillery in action, they showed you tanks, dropships, and LAVs going towards that Space Artillery.
I was surprised when I started the game today to see that the Skirmish mode has become just one stage with the 3 control points. Seeing that the Space Artillery is about a 1000Meters away in the red area. No orbital bombardments, etc.
Just a note CCP, when you show something and clearly say "Peek behind the beta curtain" and "Every heart-pounding moment of this video, from rifle fire to full-on orbital bombardment, is actual gameplay footage from the current DUST 514 beta.". You should HAVE that in the actual Beta.
Now, I also would like to question why the Skirmish mode got shrunk like this? Why is it just one stage?? Why can't we get to that Space Artillery?? Or what seems to be an Actual Outpost in the back towards the defenders deployment??
This build fixed A LOT of the issues, added new stuff, and its awesome, but needed to stay true to what was advertised, and not get shrunk. When the Attackers win it says "MCC successfully docked with the Outpost", but I see no outpost where it parks??  |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:51:00 -
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It doesn't really matter, you didn't buy the game, so its not affecting anything. |
SuperMido
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:54:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:It doesn't really matter, you didn't buy the game, so its not affecting anything.
I'm sorry, but that a DUMB and IGNORANT response. It doesn't matter whether I bought it or not, I was told, and shown things that don't exist in the actual game. Also what makes you so sure I didn't buy the game?? I've been in this beta since April, and been buying Aurum...DO NOT assume, because thats just ignorant...
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Dasyu Asura
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
57
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:59:00 -
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Yep. You were told it was a peek behind the curtain of the current beta. Guess what. Not our beta. Their internal beta. |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:59:00 -
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SuperMido wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:It doesn't really matter, you didn't buy the game, so its not affecting anything. I'm sorry, but that a DUMB and IGNORANT response. It doesn't matter whether I bought it or not, I was told, and shown things that don't exist in the actual game. Also what makes you so sure I didn't buy the game?? I've been in this beta since April, and been buying Aurum...DO NOT assume, because thats just ignorant... they never said that orbital bombardment will be in the beta. in fact, they said it WONT be in the beta.
Aurum will be refunded to you after a character wipe, so nothing lost.
You didn't buy the game because this game is free, duh.
this beta isn't the actual game. it's a work in progress.
i also have been here since April, so don't pull the (i've been around longer than you) Card.
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Korrin Palentes
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:09:00 -
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Dasyu Asura wrote:Yep. You were told it was a peek behind the curtain of the current beta. Guess what. Not our beta. Their internal beta.
WTB GM. |
Cyn Bruin
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:12:00 -
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Question for you SuperMido: Who exactly is going to carry out an Orbital Bombardment on us in beta?
Hint: EVE players aren't hooked up to our beta.
This is a closed beta, they are ironing out things for launch. If you think they are shafting you for some reason then don't download the real client and play. There is no false advertising here, you must be used to software companies like Blizzard (and I feel ya). |
SuperMido
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:19:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:
Aurum will be refunded to you after a character wipe, so nothing lost.
You didn't buy the game because this game is free, duh.
this beta isn't the actual game. it's a work in progress.
i also have been here since April, so don't pull the (i've been around longer than you) Card.
You're not getting my point at ALL...
I know Aurum will be refunded for the full game, but thats not my point. Have I paid money for CCP or not?? Thats the point I'm talking about. And I only brought that up when you said you didn't buy the game, well, yea its a free to play game, but I've already paid for it, its just like buying it.
The beta isn't the actual game, SURE it is not even close, but I wasn't talking about the full game by any means. I'm talking about the trailer that came out about 3 weeks ago titled "DUST 514 E3 2012 Beta Gameplay Trailer", and stating that it shows ACTUAL gameplay from the Beta in the description.
About being here since April, I didn't mean it the way you interpreted it at all, all I was trying to say is that I've been participating for a long time, taking this game seriously, and paying for it. So again you assumptions need to stop...
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SuperMido
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:23:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote:Question for you SuperMido: Who exactly is going to carry out an Orbital Bombardment on us in beta?
Hint: EVE players aren't hooked up to our beta.
This is a closed beta, they are ironing out things for launch. If you think they are shafting you for some reason then don't download the real client and play. There is no false advertising here, you must be used to software companies like Blizzard (and I feel ya).
Totally understand your point here, I was actually surprised when they showed the trailer with Orbital Bombardments. I remember CCP saying it won't come till later, will only be available in Null-sec in corporations matches, and I also know that we're not connected to EVE yet.
What came to my mind is that they might be implementing some AI (NPC) system that will call in the Orbital Strikes, and that would just be for testing purposes to see how they would fit in the game.
I'm not bothered by anything, I'm really liking the new build, but dislike the fact that they showed something, labelled it, and gave us something else. Thats the whole point I'm trying to make here. |
Hrodgeir
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:25:00 -
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Maybe that stuff actually is in the client, they're just not letting you access it. Did you even think it's possible CCP is doing targeted testing? Only letting you do certain things so you can, I don't know, work out the bugs. Just because it's not available THIS INSTANT doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Calm down, it's just a beta. |
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Cyn Bruin
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:30:00 -
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I can understand that, but I don't think they ever promised to do anything. The Orbital Strike they showed at EVE fanfest was, I think, a "look what we can do" thing. They wanted players to know they have it figured out and can do it.
Not only that, but it was, I think, the first time a PC platform game had influenced a Console game. It didn't sell me on game as I was already going to play it (free!), but it did blow my mind seeing it.
This game has SOOO much potential, hard to recall any game I've played (MMOs or FPS) that has an upside like this one.
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SuperMido
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:45:00 -
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Hrodgeir wrote:Maybe that stuff actually is in the client, they're just not letting you access it. Did you even think it's possible CCP is doing targeted testing? Only letting you do certain things so you can, I don't know, work out the bugs. Just because it's not available THIS INSTANT doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Calm down, it's just a beta.
I'm not mad or anything, and I'm calm  . And you made a really good point here that didn't come to my mind before. Sure, they could be having the stuff, just not giving access yet . That would be great, and I totally understand this is a beta, its not my first time beta testing a game, and have been here since April like I stated before, and have seen the game evolve and become much much better with each update.
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SuperMido
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:50:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote:
I can understand that, but I don't think they ever promised to do anything. The Orbital Strike they showed at EVE fanfest was, I think, a "look what we can do" thing. They wanted players to know they have it figured out and can do it.
Not only that, but it was, I think, the first time a PC platform game had influenced a Console game. It didn't sell me on game as I was already going to play it (free!), but it did blow my mind seeing it.
This game has SOOO much potential, hard to recall any game I've played (MMOs or FPS) that has an upside like this one.
The reason I'm here on those forums, making this post is because I CARE about Dust 514. I see all the potential in this game, I'm like you too, I don't think I've ever seen anything like it before. I'm not looking at Dust 514 as that crappy Free 2 Play game that I'm going to spend the next month or two playing till the new CoD or Battlefield game comes out. I'm looking forward to Dust 514 as my main game for the next year or two, maybe even more. Thats why I want the game to succeed, and thats also why I disliked how they showed something, and not bring it to us. But like Hrodgeir said, this stuff might be in there just not implemented yet, or maybe something else. Guess I gotta wait and see .
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Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:50:00 -
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SuperMido wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:
Aurum will be refunded to you after a character wipe, so nothing lost.
You didn't buy the game because this game is free, duh.
this beta isn't the actual game. it's a work in progress.
i also have been here since April, so don't pull the (i've been around longer than you) Card.
You're not getting my point at ALL... I know Aurum will be refunded for the full game, but thats not my point. Have I paid money for CCP or not?? Thats the point I'm talking about. And I only brought that up when you said you didn't buy the game, well, yea its a free to play game, but I've already paid for it, its just like buying it. The beta isn't the actual game, SURE it is not even close, but I wasn't talking about the full game by any means. I'm talking about the trailer that came out about 3 weeks ago titled "DUST 514 E3 2012 Beta Gameplay Trailer", and stating that it shows ACTUAL gameplay from the Beta in the description. About being here since April, I didn't mean it the way you interpreted it at all, all I was trying to say is that I've been participating for a long time, taking this game seriously, and paying for it. So again you assumptions need to stop... That video Wasn't a video of the current build that we are playing. it was a peek behind the beta curtain. You can even tell by looking at the lighting in that video, and the lighting in the game we're playing now. it's darker in the video, it's not even the same map. Yea it has the massive gun in the background, but the actual playable area is different.
Stop complaining. |
DaoFerret
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:51:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote:
I can understand that, but I don't think they ever promised to do anything. The Orbital Strike they showed at EVE fanfest was, I think, a "look what we can do" thing. They wanted players to know they have it figured out and can do it.
Not only that, but it was, I think, the first time a PC platform game had influenced a Console game. It didn't sell me on game as I was already going to play it (free!), but it did blow my mind seeing it.
This game has SOOO much potential, hard to recall any game I've played (MMOs or FPS) that has an upside like this one.
Exactly. It was the difference between a Proof of Concept and a Beta.
The Orbital strikes were proof of concept work inside the DUST Beta.
They've got the idea ironed out, but before they hook the two games up into "One Universe", wouldn't it be nice if both games worked independently?
Good news ... EVE already does, and DUST is making huge strides in that direction.
Once they've got both working well separately, they can work on bringing them together, and if something breaks, it will be easier to see what needs to be fixed (since everything was "working" first). |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:58:00 -
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Frankly, there's no reason to be saying ANYTHING until we near release. It's like complaining your steak is too rare when you were invited to take a look at how it's coming along. |
J Marshall
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:59:00 -
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Maybe you should stop running around treating closed betas like demos and actually worry about things like giving feedback on weapon balance?
Granted most betas today are marketing slang for demo. But CCP seems to be listening to us. |
Seeker of Cheese
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.06.28 19:33:00 -
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I think this sums it up https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22931&find=unread |
SuperMido
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.06.28 19:54:00 -
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J Marshall wrote:Maybe you should stop running around treating closed betas like demos and actually worry about things like giving feedback on weapon balance?
Granted most betas today are marketing slang for demo. But CCP seems to be listening to us.
I can't believe how DUMB you are...Won't even bother saying anything else...Sad, just sad to see people like you...
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J Marshall
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.06.28 19:59:00 -
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SuperMido wrote:J Marshall wrote:Maybe you should stop running around treating closed betas like demos and actually worry about things like giving feedback on weapon balance?
Granted most betas today are marketing slang for demo. But CCP seems to be listening to us. I can't believe how DUMB you are...Won't even bother saying anything else...Sad, just sad to see people like you...
There is nothing else to say. You were to dumb to understand what the beta was all about and came into it with wild expectations. |
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Seeker of Cheese
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.06.28 19:59:00 -
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SuperMido wrote:J Marshall wrote:Maybe you should stop running around treating closed betas like demos and actually worry about things like giving feedback on weapon balance?
Granted most betas today are marketing slang for demo. But CCP seems to be listening to us. I can't believe how DUMB you are...Won't even bother saying anything else...Sad, just sad to see people like you...
Odd how the rest of us are thinking the exact same thing about you. Funny how that works. |
Finn Kempers
BetaMax.
222
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Posted - 2012.06.28 20:00:00 -
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SuperMido wrote:
Granted most betas today are marketing slang for demo. But CCP seems to be listening to us.
I can't believe how DUMB you are...Won't even bother saying anything else...Sad, just sad to see people like you...
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Why are you in this beta? This is closed in development. The advertisement was aimed at the general public, not testers of development. What the ad is, is what the public should expect at release.
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Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2012.06.28 20:06:00 -
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Seeker of Cheese wrote:SuperMido wrote:J Marshall wrote:Maybe you should stop running around treating closed betas like demos and actually worry about things like giving feedback on weapon balance?
Granted most betas today are marketing slang for demo. But CCP seems to be listening to us. I can't believe how DUMB you are...Won't even bother saying anything else...Sad, just sad to see people like you... Odd how the rest of us are thinking the exact same thing about you. Funny how that works.
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Nick Phantom
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
91
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Posted - 2012.06.28 20:20:00 -
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Wow.... I think everyone should take a step back and take a breath. Lets act like adults here and settle our differences on the battlefield shall we.
I had no problems with the video. They showed us some of the stuff we could expect in the beta and what to expect when the game releases. |
Torkada Alamstrada
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
184
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Posted - 2012.06.28 20:38:00 -
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<-- Is feeling guilty because he's innocently enjoying the game after paying $20 for the Merc Pack.
Seriously. I paid to support the Beta and get to be a part of the development. I consider that a privilege, since I really believe this will be a groundbreaking advancement in game interconnectivity. |
SuperMido
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.06.28 21:12:00 -
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WOW at all of you jumping up and down putting your defense suits on. This is RIDICULOUS, I was just making a point about something specific, I know what a beta is and what it is for, I've been here since the very beginning when there were about 15-20 people in the whole beta. I've provided a TON of feedback on the last build, and the one before it.
I believe in Dust 514 and CCP, I see all the potential this game has got. I was just making a point on how they said it was actual gameplay footage from the beta, while it really isn't. Some smart and respectful people on here offered explanations and things that didn't come to my mind when I made the topic, and I thank them for it, and appreciate it.
But the rest of you are just plain stupid, when I make a point about something and someone comes and says, its a beta, go provide feedback on balance. Or when someone tells me why I'm here, thats just ignorant and stupid. If you have a valid point like some people did, I'm open to discussion, but being rude just won't get you anywhere people... |
Maffia- Thug
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
62
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Posted - 2012.06.28 21:23:00 -
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SuperMido wrote:As much as I like the new build with all of its improvements, I still think CCP lied to us with the "DUST 514 E3 2012 Beta Gameplay Trailer". They showed Orbital Bombardments, they showed the Space Artillery in action, they showed you tanks, dropships, and LAVs going towards that Space Artillery. I was surprised when I started the game today to see that the Skirmish mode has become just one stage with the 3 control points. Seeing that the Space Artillery is about a 1000Meters away in the red area. No orbital bombardments, etc. Just a note CCP, when you show something and clearly say "Peek behind the beta curtain" and "Every heart-pounding moment of this video, from rifle fire to full-on orbital bombardment, is actual gameplay footage from the current DUST 514 beta.". You should HAVE that in the actual Beta. Now, I also would like to question why the Skirmish mode got shrunk like this? Why is it just one stage?? Why can't we get to that Space Artillery?? Or what seems to be an Actual Outpost in the back towards the defenders deployment?? This build fixed A LOT of the issues, added new stuff, and its awesome, but needed to stay true to what was advertised, and not get shrunk. When the Attackers win it says "MCC successfully docked with the Outpost", but I see no outpost where it parks??
Come on man.....have some patience. The "Beta" that you are playing is and never will be put to video for the general public...including us....too see. Read the NDA. Only if one of....US.....the beta testers puts it out there, which is violating the NDA. What you are playing is the "BETA" not the "GAME"......so for you to accuse CCP of false advertisment is wrong of you to do, because they have never advertised the "BETA".
The game will have everything that you have seen in the videos, but not until the "GAME" is released.
Thank you and have a great day! |
SuperMido
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.06.28 21:41:00 -
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Maffia- Thug wrote:
Come on man.....have some patience. The "Beta" that you are playing is and never will be put to video for the general public...including us....too see. Read the NDA. Only if one of....US.....the beta testers puts it out there, which is violating the NDA. What you are playing is the "BETA" not the "GAME"......so for you to accuse CCP of false advertisment is wrong of you to do, because they have never advertised the "BETA".
The game will have everything that you have seen in the videos, but not until the "GAME" is released.
Thank you and have a great day!
Well, thank you for being respectful, finally . But Dust 514 in my opinion has really moved beyond the "Closed Beta" state, and here's the reason why I believe so: When you introduce something like the "Mercenary Pack" which ANYONE can simply go onto the PSN store, spend $20 and get into the Beta, its no longer "closed testing", at-least thats how I see it.
As for the Trailer being aimed for the public, and not exactly what the beta is. Well, what if I never heard about Dust 514 before, I came across that trailer on YouTube, I watch it, I read the description, and it says its from the "Current Beta" and that its "Actual gameplay footage". Wouldn't I think that this is EXACTLY what I will be playing if I go and spend that $20 on the Merc Pack?? Now what happens when I get into the beta and realize its NOT what I saw in the trailer??
I was just giving a scenario for someone new, who just got to know about Dust 514 through that trailer. I'm not talking about myself here, I'm not really bothered with the lack of that stuff. I understand its a beta, I believe in the game and CCP.
The whole point was to bring to CCP's attention that they shouldn't have a trailer showing something, and give players another.
I just read the weekly e-mail from CCP about Dust 514, and it says that today and tomorrow will be skirmishes, then Saturday and Sunday there will be "Assaults" introduced, I've no idea what that is. Maybe thats what someone on here was talking about; features that are actually in the build, but not activated yet.
We shall see , I'm excited for Dust 514, and loving all the improvements CCP has introduced to this build over the last one. |
Seeker of Cheese
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.06.28 21:56:00 -
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SuperMido wrote:
I'm sorry, but that a DUMB and IGNORANT response. It doesn't matter whether I bought it or not, I was told, and shown things that don't exist in the actual game. Also what makes you so sure I didn't buy the game?? I've been in this beta since April, and been buying Aurum...DO NOT assume, because thats just ignorant...
SuperMido wrote:
I can't believe how DUMB you are...Won't even bother saying anything else...Sad, just sad to see people like you...
SuperMido wrote:I'm open to discussion, but being rude just won't get you anywhere people...
Says the kid that jumps to insults the instant he's not agreed with.  So, I'll agree with you if it'll make you happy: you won't get anywhere being rude to people. So stop. |
Counting Wizard
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.06.28 21:57:00 -
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I'm starting to sweat a little at the fact that CCP is up against two very real time constraints: The end of the PS3 lifespan, and the pressure to start getting income from this long-delayed project.
I don't see the key components that indicate that the game is ready for open beta or stress testing. It is still missing:
- Territorial Control
- Dust Player Industry System
- Player Corporations
- EvE Universe integration
- Cov-Ops Cloak Modules for Vehicle/Dropsuit
- Capacitors on Vehicles (or dropsuits?)
- Capacitor Draining/Transfer Modules
- Electronic Warfare Modules
- Map Diversity
- Dynamic Objectives
I will admit that putting in remote repair modules, logistics suits, star map, and EvE market tie-in is a step towards their final goal, but they need to hold off on progressing to an open beta until these other missing things are addressed.
As things stand we are playing a very bland version of battlefield 2142 with very limited map selection and vastly large gaps in equipment quality on the same battlefield. Opening the game up to a larger audience at this point will put alot of people off because it is closer to an alpha build than a beta. CCP is mistaken that they can repeat the development process that EvE online went through. Console players will move on to a new game very quickly and there are alot of FPS multiplayer games to hold their attention already. In 2003, EvE was only one of a handful of MMO's, and the Sci-Fi nitch was still unfilled. These are not the conditions facing Dust 514.
I believe that it is critical to establish a fully functional game in order to get the initial market-share that CCP needs to make Dust 514 a long-term success. I anticipate most responses to this post will be that Dust 514 is free and that it is beta so of course its incomplete. All games are near final release state by the time things go into open beta, and the fact that CCP is charging for beta access indicates that they want to put Dust out there even if its not finished. |
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