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SuperMido
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:50:00 -
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As much as I like the new build with all of its improvements, I still think CCP lied to us with the "DUST 514 E3 2012 Beta Gameplay Trailer". They showed Orbital Bombardments, they showed the Space Artillery in action, they showed you tanks, dropships, and LAVs going towards that Space Artillery.
I was surprised when I started the game today to see that the Skirmish mode has become just one stage with the 3 control points. Seeing that the Space Artillery is about a 1000Meters away in the red area. No orbital bombardments, etc.
Just a note CCP, when you show something and clearly say "Peek behind the beta curtain" and "Every heart-pounding moment of this video, from rifle fire to full-on orbital bombardment, is actual gameplay footage from the current DUST 514 beta.". You should HAVE that in the actual Beta.
Now, I also would like to question why the Skirmish mode got shrunk like this? Why is it just one stage?? Why can't we get to that Space Artillery?? Or what seems to be an Actual Outpost in the back towards the defenders deployment??
This build fixed A LOT of the issues, added new stuff, and its awesome, but needed to stay true to what was advertised, and not get shrunk. When the Attackers win it says "MCC successfully docked with the Outpost", but I see no outpost where it parks?? |
SuperMido
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:54:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:It doesn't really matter, you didn't buy the game, so its not affecting anything.
I'm sorry, but that a DUMB and IGNORANT response. It doesn't matter whether I bought it or not, I was told, and shown things that don't exist in the actual game. Also what makes you so sure I didn't buy the game?? I've been in this beta since April, and been buying Aurum...DO NOT assume, because thats just ignorant...
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SuperMido
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:19:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:
Aurum will be refunded to you after a character wipe, so nothing lost.
You didn't buy the game because this game is free, duh.
this beta isn't the actual game. it's a work in progress.
i also have been here since April, so don't pull the (i've been around longer than you) Card.
You're not getting my point at ALL...
I know Aurum will be refunded for the full game, but thats not my point. Have I paid money for CCP or not?? Thats the point I'm talking about. And I only brought that up when you said you didn't buy the game, well, yea its a free to play game, but I've already paid for it, its just like buying it.
The beta isn't the actual game, SURE it is not even close, but I wasn't talking about the full game by any means. I'm talking about the trailer that came out about 3 weeks ago titled "DUST 514 E3 2012 Beta Gameplay Trailer", and stating that it shows ACTUAL gameplay from the Beta in the description.
About being here since April, I didn't mean it the way you interpreted it at all, all I was trying to say is that I've been participating for a long time, taking this game seriously, and paying for it. So again you assumptions need to stop...
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SuperMido
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:23:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote:Question for you SuperMido: Who exactly is going to carry out an Orbital Bombardment on us in beta?
Hint: EVE players aren't hooked up to our beta.
This is a closed beta, they are ironing out things for launch. If you think they are shafting you for some reason then don't download the real client and play. There is no false advertising here, you must be used to software companies like Blizzard (and I feel ya).
Totally understand your point here, I was actually surprised when they showed the trailer with Orbital Bombardments. I remember CCP saying it won't come till later, will only be available in Null-sec in corporations matches, and I also know that we're not connected to EVE yet.
What came to my mind is that they might be implementing some AI (NPC) system that will call in the Orbital Strikes, and that would just be for testing purposes to see how they would fit in the game.
I'm not bothered by anything, I'm really liking the new build, but dislike the fact that they showed something, labelled it, and gave us something else. Thats the whole point I'm trying to make here. |
SuperMido
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:45:00 -
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Hrodgeir wrote:Maybe that stuff actually is in the client, they're just not letting you access it. Did you even think it's possible CCP is doing targeted testing? Only letting you do certain things so you can, I don't know, work out the bugs. Just because it's not available THIS INSTANT doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Calm down, it's just a beta.
I'm not mad or anything, and I'm calm . And you made a really good point here that didn't come to my mind before. Sure, they could be having the stuff, just not giving access yet . That would be great, and I totally understand this is a beta, its not my first time beta testing a game, and have been here since April like I stated before, and have seen the game evolve and become much much better with each update.
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SuperMido
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:50:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote: I can understand that, but I don't think they ever promised to do anything. The Orbital Strike they showed at EVE fanfest was, I think, a "look what we can do" thing. They wanted players to know they have it figured out and can do it.
Not only that, but it was, I think, the first time a PC platform game had influenced a Console game. It didn't sell me on game as I was already going to play it (free!), but it did blow my mind seeing it.
This game has SOOO much potential, hard to recall any game I've played (MMOs or FPS) that has an upside like this one.
The reason I'm here on those forums, making this post is because I CARE about Dust 514. I see all the potential in this game, I'm like you too, I don't think I've ever seen anything like it before. I'm not looking at Dust 514 as that crappy Free 2 Play game that I'm going to spend the next month or two playing till the new CoD or Battlefield game comes out. I'm looking forward to Dust 514 as my main game for the next year or two, maybe even more. Thats why I want the game to succeed, and thats also why I disliked how they showed something, and not bring it to us. But like Hrodgeir said, this stuff might be in there just not implemented yet, or maybe something else. Guess I gotta wait and see .
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SuperMido
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Posted - 2012.06.28 19:54:00 -
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J Marshall wrote:Maybe you should stop running around treating closed betas like demos and actually worry about things like giving feedback on weapon balance?
Granted most betas today are marketing slang for demo. But CCP seems to be listening to us.
I can't believe how DUMB you are...Won't even bother saying anything else...Sad, just sad to see people like you...
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SuperMido
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Posted - 2012.06.28 21:12:00 -
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WOW at all of you jumping up and down putting your defense suits on. This is RIDICULOUS, I was just making a point about something specific, I know what a beta is and what it is for, I've been here since the very beginning when there were about 15-20 people in the whole beta. I've provided a TON of feedback on the last build, and the one before it.
I believe in Dust 514 and CCP, I see all the potential this game has got. I was just making a point on how they said it was actual gameplay footage from the beta, while it really isn't. Some smart and respectful people on here offered explanations and things that didn't come to my mind when I made the topic, and I thank them for it, and appreciate it.
But the rest of you are just plain stupid, when I make a point about something and someone comes and says, its a beta, go provide feedback on balance. Or when someone tells me why I'm here, thats just ignorant and stupid. If you have a valid point like some people did, I'm open to discussion, but being rude just won't get you anywhere people... |
SuperMido
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Posted - 2012.06.28 21:41:00 -
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Maffia- Thug wrote:
Come on man.....have some patience. The "Beta" that you are playing is and never will be put to video for the general public...including us....too see. Read the NDA. Only if one of....US.....the beta testers puts it out there, which is violating the NDA. What you are playing is the "BETA" not the "GAME"......so for you to accuse CCP of false advertisment is wrong of you to do, because they have never advertised the "BETA".
The game will have everything that you have seen in the videos, but not until the "GAME" is released.
Thank you and have a great day!
Well, thank you for being respectful, finally . But Dust 514 in my opinion has really moved beyond the "Closed Beta" state, and here's the reason why I believe so: When you introduce something like the "Mercenary Pack" which ANYONE can simply go onto the PSN store, spend $20 and get into the Beta, its no longer "closed testing", at-least thats how I see it.
As for the Trailer being aimed for the public, and not exactly what the beta is. Well, what if I never heard about Dust 514 before, I came across that trailer on YouTube, I watch it, I read the description, and it says its from the "Current Beta" and that its "Actual gameplay footage". Wouldn't I think that this is EXACTLY what I will be playing if I go and spend that $20 on the Merc Pack?? Now what happens when I get into the beta and realize its NOT what I saw in the trailer??
I was just giving a scenario for someone new, who just got to know about Dust 514 through that trailer. I'm not talking about myself here, I'm not really bothered with the lack of that stuff. I understand its a beta, I believe in the game and CCP.
The whole point was to bring to CCP's attention that they shouldn't have a trailer showing something, and give players another.
I just read the weekly e-mail from CCP about Dust 514, and it says that today and tomorrow will be skirmishes, then Saturday and Sunday there will be "Assaults" introduced, I've no idea what that is. Maybe thats what someone on here was talking about; features that are actually in the build, but not activated yet.
We shall see , I'm excited for Dust 514, and loving all the improvements CCP has introduced to this build over the last one. |
SuperMido
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Posted - 2012.06.28 23:16:00 -
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Seeker of Cheese wrote:Says the kid that jumps to insults the instant he's not agreed with. So, I'll agree with you if it'll make you happy: you won't get anywhere being rude to people. So stop.
Well, like you went around copying those quotes, why don't you go and read the comments I was responding to with those quotes...I NEVER start aggressive or rude to someone, but when people do, just bec. they love, they won't get anything from me other than the worse. Take a look at the other people who responded nicely, offering ideas, and discussing my point respectfully, and how I responded to them...
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SuperMido
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Posted - 2012.06.28 23:18:00 -
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J Marshall wrote:These two gems make me giggle. Im almost convinced you must have your mother credit card information entered into your PS Store account. Because...wow.
They havn't broken any promises because this is no "the actual game" this is a compartmentalized test client. You dont test a full featured game has a beta...thats what a demo is called.
Having paid for a free to play game is the gaming worlds equivalent of buying a bridge in Brooklyn.
I'm sure its possible your mother purchased a promotional package of digital goods that can be used in this game though.
You are entering a very big community with a long history of praying on simple folk. And its encouraged by the developers. You need to work on a few things if you hope to survive.
ib4 he gets all butthurt, and tells us he was trolling the whole time.
When I get a reply like this one you made, what do you expect me to say??...Why bring all that crap you just did??...
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SuperMido
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Posted - 2012.06.28 23:20:00 -
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Corvus Ravensong wrote:Weird - it's a BETA
this means IT'S NOT FINISHED.
Now how about you take your butthurt false advertising claim to the Attourney General so he can laugh you out of his office.....
Oh look, here's another one, am I really the one who's butthurt?? Did I even mention the full product?? Or was I talking about the "Dust 514 E3 GAMEPLAY TRAILER", that it says under it actual gameplay from the CURRENT BETA???... |
SuperMido
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Posted - 2012.06.28 23:23:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:I suspect, Super Mido, people are angry at you for your hyper aggressive tone more than anything else. The internet may grant you anonymity, but that does not entitle you to this type of behavior without consequence.
Who was I "hyper aggressive" to other than those who basically were implying that I'm an idiot who's making a worthless point?? When I get a reply like: This is only a beta, go provide feedback on balancing...Or It doesn't really matter what you're saying...What should my response be like? You tell me Sir? I made a clear and specific point, those who answered me, and discussed my point, I replied back nicely, and some of them even changed my initial thoughts. |
SuperMido
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Posted - 2012.06.28 23:44:00 -
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J Marshall wrote:Again. Showing your inexperience with game development.
They are compartmentalized betas. We are probably testing the stuff that the internal CCP testing team has tested to the point where it needs to go out to a much large group for balance and stability testing.
CCP has a very long history of making trailers with ingame footage. They usually mean in engine when it comes to eve. But I have no doubts that their is a testing group working on integration features and if the video guy for dust is anything like the one othat does the eve videos he blocked and planned out the trailer based on things he saw happen while testing.
You have nothing to complain about. Your concerns have been met with answers from people with varying degrees of background. Im sure a dev or gm will weigh in when someone who is qualified sees the thread.
Ok, even tho I have some experience with game development, maybe not at your level. Now THIS kind of reply IS what I was looking for before, people who come-in, correct me, and prove me wrong if I am, or be on my side if they think I'm right.
I really know NOTHING about CCP, because I never played EVE before, I heard about Dust 514 at E3 2011, and been following it since then till I got in the beta in April.
As for the last part, I'm NOT complaining and I said this in other replies, its not really bothering me, I can wait, and will wait for this game and see how it evolves. |
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