Similar to their EVE counterparts

Heavy Assault Vehicles: Separate the main gun from the hull. The pilot can switch to it at will but the vehicle will come to a stop while aiming unless another is present to pilot.

ADS -- don't think those who fly them well will like the idea of not being able to shoot - makes them more of a Chauffeur.

HAV -- kinda the same as the ADS idea. I probably wouldn't even want to drive one if I couldn't run and gun at same time.

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I get your point in that, and it does make sense, given the real-world factor in both types of vehicles, but do you really think there would be a sufficient amount of players who would prefer only a support role?

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I get your point in that, and it does make sense, given the real-world factor in both types of vehicles, but do you really think there would be a sufficient amount of players who would prefer only a support role?

As a basically full time ADS pilot I would personally enjoy a more support oriented role, but that's just me.

Really though this is kind of the point. People who want to be racking up kills by themselves should be running infantry. Vehicles should require coordination to operate since they should also require coordination to destroy. Having less slayers and more support players in vehicle roles will probably never be a bad thing.

I'm going to say this, and it might make someone a bit pissy but Imma say it anyway: I am concerned about how Rattati would interpret "Do [insert thing], you know, like they have in EVE". CCP Rattati doesn't like EVE and admits to having only played it for a few minutes.

Maybe we should phrase it as "The capacitor mechanic they use in EVE Online would work well as a balance mechanism for vehicles in an FPS game as well. It is an enjoyable mechanic to manage, and it introduces effective ways to provide game balance, making V/AV balance easier to achieve."

This might go over better than the "But EVE does it this way" approach that some have taken with Rattati in the past.

Basically, having modules, turrets, propulsion, and shields all use power, from a capacitor that is recharging at a constant rate, and has a finite capacity (power reservoir) allows the Developer to tune power consumption rates to prevent the operator from being able to do too much at the same time, or at least not for an extended time, to prevent the vehicle from being too powerful. It also allows for weapons that attack the power reserve rather than doing damage, to provide more variety to the tactical game play.

Doe that about summarize it?


It might also be worth pointing out to Rattati that EVE Online is a game of vehicle combat. This point of view both validates his assertion that what works in EVE does not necessarily work in a FPS game, while at the same time supports the case for using EVE mechanics in vehicles.

ADS -- don't think those who fly them well will like the idea of not being able to shoot - makes them more of a Chauffeur.

I think they should just take away the Assault DS. It always seemed silly to me, since it seemed like it was a placeholder for an actual Assault Heli or something.

Dropships should stay dropships to deliver infantry, and ADS should have its own branch for Heli style flight, or jet style flight.

Maybe there should be the normal SHAV and an assault HAV with a extra large crew controlled turret and a pilot controlled medum turret in the front and as an addition have a gunship with a pilot controlled large turret a extra large top and bottom turret, two large side turrets and a medum back turret

Maybe there should be the normal SHAV and an assault HAV with a extra large crew controlled turret and a pilot controlled medum turret in the front and as an addition have a gunship with a pilot controlled large turret a extra large top and bottom turret, two large side turrets and a medum back turret

Ideally I'd like to move away from single-player-juggernaut style vehicles as a whole as the first stage in redesign. As soon as you get over Light vehicle hulls, any offensive capability should rely on teamwork.

I will amend that from the standpoint of offensive vehicles that are single-player by design, like jets. As far as I'm concerned, as a tradeoff to their offensive potential, they shouldn't even have resistance to small-arms. Their HP should be VERY low such that your only means of survival is staying mobile and using countermeasures to try and protect yourself from lock-on weapons.

I like your idea except for the last one. Energy Vamps and Neutralizers should only be limited to vehicles as modules since those logically take up a lot of power and processing to do what they do. If you look at Eve Online you will often see ships that are fitted with Energy Vamps and Neuts be also fitted with Capacitor Booster to compensate for the massive drain that the Vamps and Neuts have on the ship that is using them. Engineering/lore wise, it makes sense to make Vamps and Neuts in Project Nova restricted to vehicles as modules.

The effect of these Cap-hindering modules should primarily affect the turrets. Vehicles should have the ability to drive away even under these conditions because the engineering of the vehicles (thinking lore here) includes one such redundancy where the powerplant of the vehicle being targeted doesn't need capacitor as it is the part of the vehicle that provides Capacitor in the first place. If the onboard computers sense a sudden increase in the demand for more power that exceeds its type design it will assume that the Capacitor is being energy drained and thus the system will automatically cut power to the Capacitor and use that power instead to drive the wheels so that the vehicle can get to safety. The Capacitor will be drained eventually but at least the pilot can get away to safety so that the onboard computer can switch back to recharging the Cap.

But once the Cap is drained, all primary and secondary weapons will be rendered useless unless that weapon happens to be projectile-based such an Autocannon or Missile Turret. Rail, Blaster and laser turrets depend heavily on Capacitor and thus become non-functioning once Cap is completely drained. Obviously you don't need Cap for a weapon the only fires crude gun-powder ammunition or self-guided missiles that only need a tiny spark to light the propellants.

This would give other vehicles stronger logistics roles if Energy Transfer modules are implemented. What do you think?

I like your idea except for the last one. Energy Vamps and Neutralizers should only be limited to vehicles as modules since those logically take up a lot of power and processing to do what they do. If you look at Eve Online you will often see ships that are fitted with Energy Vamps and Neuts be also fitted with Capacitor Booster to compensate for the massive drain that the Vamps and Neuts have on the ship that is using them. Engineering/lore wise, it makes sense to make Vamps and Neuts in Project Nova restricted to vehicles as modules.

The effect of these Cap-hindering modules should primarily affect the turrets. Vehicles should have the ability to drive away even under these conditions because the engineering of the vehicles (thinking lore here) includes one such redundancy where the powerplant of the vehicle being targeted doesn't need capacitor as it is the part of the vehicle that provides Capacitor in the first place. If the onboard computers sense a sudden increase in the demand for more power that exceeds its type design it will assume that the Capacitor is being energy drained and thus the system will automatically cut power to the Capacitor and use that power instead to drive the wheels so that the vehicle can get to safety. The Capacitor will be drained eventually but at least the pilot can get away to safety so that the onboard computer can switch back to recharging the Cap.

But once the Cap is drained, all primary and secondary weapons will be rendered useless unless that weapon happens to be projectile-based such an Autocannon or Missile Turret. Rail, Blaster and laser turrets depend heavily on Capacitor and thus become non-functioning once Cap is completely drained. Obviously you don't need Cap for a weapon the only fires crude gun-powder ammunition or self-guided missiles that only need a tiny spark to light the propellants.

This would give other vehicles stronger logistics roles if Energy Transfer modules are implemented. What do you think?

However, consider Void Bombs in EVE Online. Those are one-time-use AoE weapons that neutralize capacitor in a wide area.

A Void Grenade could have a very large model and a shorter throw distance than the other grenades, meaning you have to get closer to get it to affect a vehicle. We could take that even further and make it a single-use high-fitting piece of equipment that you need to sneak up next to the vehicle and then deploy near it to get the effects.

I agree on vehicles being mobile even without energy, but I disagree on turrets requiring energy to function. I think that's taking the complexity a little bit too far and will serve to be more frustrating than intriguing.

However, consider Void Bombs in EVE Online. Those are one-time-use AoE weapons that neutralize capacitor in a wide area.

A Void Grenade could have a very large model and a shorter throw distance than the other grenades, meaning you have to get closer to get it to affect a vehicle. We could take that even further and make it a single-use high-fitting piece of equipment that you need to sneak up next to the vehicle and then deploy near it to get the effects.

I agree on vehicles being mobile even without energy, but I disagree on turrets requiring energy to function. I think that's taking the complexity a little bit too far and will serve to be more frustrating than intriguing.