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Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.06.28 07:45:00 - [1] - Quote CCP you must fix the SR sway, it's completely broken. I Dust 514 the sway it's not affected by movements while it should be that way. In real life & in FPS, the sway of the SR is determined by: your stance, your breathing rate. Now in Dust sway happens every single time you scope in: you can be crouched from entire minute, be perfectly still, scope in and an you still get sway = ??? The sway in Dust 514 triggers every time we press L1. Also now the scope stops moving completely but this is physically impossible: there is always a minimum sway/movement caused by breathing unless you use a tripod and this isn't the case. The Sway should work like this: Be based on Stamina: the less stamina you have left the more it will take for the Sniper to stabilize the aim. Scope should never stop swaying while standing up, never! Scope should still have minimum sway/movement even when crouched: the scope should never become completely still. Sachvie Geedo proposed a "Hod Breath" mechanic (Sniper Simulation game have this). If CCP want the scope to stops moving completely this is the a great FPS mechanic, especially if sway is stamina based because it's already balanced: the more you hold breath, the more stamina you consume and so the sway would be higher after holding breath for long time. Keep up the good work CCP. P.S. You might say: this is the future, scopes can stop moving completely! Then why in 20k AD SR still have sway? Sway is a gamepaly mechanic and as such it must be believable and appropriate to the FPS way.
carl von oppenheimer Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2012.06.28 07:49:00 - [2] - Quote a hint: power armour with hydraulic limbs.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.06.28 15:44:00 - [3] - Quote carl von oppenheimer wrote: a hint: power armour with hydraulic limbs. The there should be no sway when scoping either.
Finn Kempers BetaMax. 222	Posted - 2012.06.28 18:18:00 - [4] - Quote Templar Two wrote: It ha s been proposed a "Hod Breath" mechanic (Sniper Simulation game have this). If CCP want the scope to stops moving completely this is the only FPS mechanic that works (especially if sway is stamina based) because it's already balanced: the more you hold breath, the more stamina you consume and so the sway would be higher after holding breath for lo Already exists, hold down L3 while scoped.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.06.28 18:26:00 - [5] - Quote ^^^ Really?!! Anyway R3 it quite awkward to use, I have played FPS that used that solution and I would prefer to have that on R2...not to mention that it' very easy to inadvertently trigger a melee. I don't have time to check now but does it consume Stamina as well?
Havok Razor Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2012.06.28 19:34:00 - [6] - Quote Finn Kempers wrote: Templar Two wrote: It ha s been proposed a "Hod Breath" mechanic (Sniper Simulation game have this). If CCP want the scope to stops moving completely this is the only FPS mechanic that works (especially if sway is stamina based) because it's already balanced: the more you hold breath, the more stamina you consume and so the sway would be higher after holding breath for lo Already exists, hold down L3 while scoped. This does nothing at all in DUST.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.06.29 07:27:00 - [7] - Quote I have checked and there is no Holing Breath at all in Dust 514 now.
Awiergan Snowcash Doomheim 40	Posted - 2012.06.29 07:32:00 - [8] - Quote Quote: Scope should never stop swaying while standing up, never! Have you ever actually fired a scoped rifle? I personally find it easier to aim while standing; crouching just feels awkward. Unless you're firing prone, then the "sway" is going to be comparable regardless of whether you're standing or crouching.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.06.29 07:41:00 - [9] - Quote ^^^ This is a video game pal; in FPS scopes always sways when standing up otherwise there is not need for couch. It's pure gamepaly mechanic.
Awiergan Snowcash Doomheim 40	Posted - 2012.06.29 08:00:00 - [10] - Quote Templar Two wrote: ^^^ This is a video game pal; in FPS scopes always sways when standing up otherwise there is not need for couch. It's pure gamepaly mechanic. I always assumed it was to make yourself a smaller target?

SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 421	Posted - 2012.06.29 08:05:00 - [11] - Quote I disagree myself. i think it is great how it is now and just makes sense. yes it should sway for a moment when you first put it to your face and look down the scope. A moment after holding it scoped it stops swaying. I am surprised how easy it is to have no sway, but it makes sense with the dropsuit. I say keep it how it is. I dont use it really, but those who do that I know seem to think it is fine. Again, it just makes sense how it works right now. Especially considering the genre of the game. This is sci-fi.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.06.29 08:23:00 - [12] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: I disagree myself. i think it is great how it is now and just makes sense. yes it should sway for a moment when you first put it to your face and look down the scope. A moment after holding it scoped it stops swaying. I am surprised how easy it is to have no sway, but it makes sense with the dropsuit. I say keep it how it is. I dont use it really, but those who do that I know seem to think it is fine. Again, it just makes sense how it works right now. Especially considering the genre of the game. This is sci-fi. That's the problem pal: scopes that stops swaying completely are so cheap in FPS, really cheap, sci-if shooter or not. An not to mention that we have auto aim/aim assist. SR with no sway and aim assist are the cheapest thing ever. Really what's next: bullets that chase you around corners!?
Darkz azurr Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 105	Posted - 2012.06.29 08:51:00 - [13] - Quote Remember we are enhanced humans in the future with implants , biotics etc... It does shake around a lot if your stood up, and pretty much stops if you crouch. I find this ok because when crouched your a really easy target to hit, also you have to hit a heavy 3 or 4 times to kill them.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.06.30 07:07:00 - [14] - Quote ^^^ I know but scopes should never stops swaying completely: a 2% sway should always remain. In A FPS it's more believable to have 2% scope sway than to see the scope stops completely.
Inacurate Zamir Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 3	Posted - 2012.06.30 07:32:00 - [15] - Quote Snipers have no incentive to move with current mechanics. You'll always be at a disadvantage until you scope and sway stops. So why are they going to move forward when they can sit back, be more effective and still reap some kind of reward even if they lose.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.06.30 08:07:00 - [16] - Quote ^^^ As I said Perfect Scope Stabilization + Auto Aim makes sniping cheap. If stabilization were possible only if we "hold breath" sniping would be far more compelling and balanced IMO.
Cherry Mercenary Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2012.06.30 08:23:00 - [17] - Quote No one that was competent with a sniper rifle in CoD even paid attention to sway or used the hold breath button. This isn't CoD, but it should be the same case. Having no sway isn't that big of an advantage in the first place.
Kiso Okami Militaires Sans Jeux 19	Posted - 2012.06.30 08:25:00 - [18] - Quote Awiergan Snowcash wrote: Quote: Scope should never stop swaying while standing up, never! Have you ever actually fired a scoped rifle? I personally find it easier to aim while standing; crouching just feels awkward. Unless you're firing prone, then the "sway" is going to be comparable regardless of whether you're standing or crouching. Speaking of "prone"... Why is there no prone stance in this game? Am I missing something I forgot to check out in the manuals? Prone position could be a great stealth and precision asset for sniping.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.06.30 08:29:00 - [19] - Quote Cherry Mercenary wrote: No one that was competent with a sniper rifle in CoD even paid attention to sway or used the hold breath button. This isn't CoD, but it should be the same case. Having no sway isn't that big of an advantage in the first place. COD has no recoil whatsoever + auto aim: sway is purely aesthetic in COD, believe me.
Cherry Mercenary Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2012.06.30 08:35:00 - [20] - Quote Templar Two wrote: Cherry Mercenary wrote: No one that was competent with a sniper rifle in CoD even paid attention to sway or used the hold breath button. This isn't CoD, but it should be the same case. Having no sway isn't that big of an advantage in the first place. COD has no recoil whatsoever + auto aim: sway is purely aesthetic in COD, believe me. There's recoil, but that only hinders people going for multiple targets or bad players since you should be getting OSKO's in the first place. This game has aim assist too so what is your point?

Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.06.30 08:57:00 - [21] - Quote Cherry Mercenary wrote: There's recoil, but that only hinders people going for multiple targets or bad players since you should be getting OSKO's in the first place. This game has aim assist too so what is your point? Read post 12 of this thread. Anyway COD is an Arcade FPS: unrealistic recoil, aim assist, regenerative health, perks, etc... This is a FPS MMO and sway should be treated as in Military FPS or even better as in Tactical/Simulation FPS. P.S. I don't hate COD.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 50	Posted - 2012.06.30 09:31:00 - [22] - Quote Try crouching, you have no idea how many snipers i see not doing this... why is aim assist being mentioned, most times your leading the target with the sniper and waiting for him to run by your cross hairs,doesnt appy to snipping as much as it does with the other close range weapons.
Cherry Mercenary Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2012.06.30 09:33:00 - [23] - Quote Templar Two wrote: Cherry Mercenary wrote: There's recoil, but that only hinders people going for multiple targets or bad players since you should be getting OSKO's in the first place. This game has aim assist too so what is your point? Read post 12 of this thread. COD is an Arcade FPS: unrealistic recoil, aim assist, regenerative health, perks, etc... This is a FPS MMO and sway should be treated as in Military FPS or even better as in Tactical/Simulation FPS. And I said that competent snipers generally ignore sway and used CoD as a relevant example. Not that I'm against it, but changing sway from the way it is now is such a negligible adjustment. Not having sway doesn't automatically make you a good sniper, nor does pose as that much of an advantage that it needs attention.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.06.30 09:48:00 - [24] - Quote ^^^ You are 100% right: not having sway doesn't make you a good sniper. That comes from the skills of the player. Not having sway at all, which now happen in 2-3 seconds after pressing L1, still makes SR shooting easier...aim assist does the rest. If you are moderately good now it's far easier to be a sniper in Dust 514 than in Battlefield or Killzone.
Cherry Mercenary Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2012.06.30 10:02:00 - [25] - Quote Templar Two wrote: ^^^ You are 100% right: not having sway doesn't make you a good sniper. That comes from the skills of the player. Not having sway at all, which now happen in 2-3 seconds after pressing L1, still makes SR shooting easier...aim assist does the rest. If you are moderately good now it's far easier to be a sniper in Dust 514 than in Battlefield or Killzone. It never took me more than a second to scope in and kill someone in KZ, so neither of those thing really affect me. Take out aim assist so it isn't as easy for bad players to compete, and it's fine.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.06.30 10:55:00 - [26] - Quote Cherry Mercenary wrote: It never took me more than a second to scope in and kill someone in KZ, so neither of those thing really affect me. Take out aim assist so it isn't as easy for bad players to compete, and it's fine. Killzone, which is my favourite FPS, has OHK sniper rifles and once you are crouched Sway is already reduced: here every time you press L1 scopes sways automatically regardless of you movements or stance. No to mention that in Killzone aiming sensitivity is far better than in this beta.
Cherry Mercenary Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2012.06.30 11:49:00 - [27] - Quote Templar Two wrote: Cherry Mercenary wrote: It never took me more than a second to scope in and kill someone in KZ, so neither of those thing really affect me. Take out aim assist so it isn't as easy for bad players to compete, and it's fine. Killzone, which is my favourite FPS, has OHK sniper rifles and once you are crouched Sway is already reduced: here every time you press L1 scopes sways automatically regardless of you movements or stance. No to mention that in Killzone aiming sensitivity is far better than in this beta. If I'm not scoping in to take care of one person really quick, I always have my reticle moving, so again, I don't even pay attention to sway. No, I haven't noticed the crouch thing since I only crouch when I'm trying to get behind cover. Killzone 3 is too fast paced and limited vantage points to stay scoped in too long and have tunnel vision. I think using the R700 in CoD4 was the only time sway actually bothered me in an FPS, but lagshooting was a big part of the Wii CoD games back then, so it was pretty hard to snipe in general. Actually now I remember a couple of times in CoD where it helped to hold my breath when I was trying to hit someone that only had like one pixel visible through a small crack of space at an awkward angle. I guess there's that. I'd actually prefer they keep it as it is for those type of instances. Especially since that kind of thing can happen often when you're shooting from very long range. w/e this topic is getting boring. idc if they change anything
N3R7 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 6	Posted - 2012.06.30 16:29:00 - [28] - Quote Don't care for scope sway at all. I figured in the future the suits would be set up to keep this to a minimum. Plus, I want something fun - sniping in 514 is currently a chore. And 4 shots only before reloading is kinda painful.
SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 421	Posted - 2012.06.30 16:52:00 - [29] - Quote Things work fine and no scope sway is not a problem. Especially since the snipers are pretty weak. Maybe if the damage was increased a lot. This is a sci-fi. Realism is not needed here. You are in a powered drop suit with a computer helping control it. Standing steady is a very simple thing in that case.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.06.30 17:01:00 - [30] - Quote Nevertheless sway is broke because it triggers every Time you Press L1. This is definitely wrong because stabilization should be based on movement: sway stabilization should start as son as we stop moving and never trigger again if we haven't moved. P.S. Side note: I proposed/pushed for more powerful/OHK SR long ago and was ignored.

Bzeer MG GROUP 41	Posted - 2012.06.30 17:23:00 - [31] - Quote There is already a skill that reduces the sway time. Sniper profenency. Perhaps in the future they will add mods to decrease sway as well. There is a benefit to the way dust is doing it. Once you have steadied the weapon it stays steady till you move, till you shoot, or zoom back out. Also you have to lead your target a lot less in this game, as the bullet travels much much faster, with little or no arc whatsoever. I kinda like it, but haven't used it since the e3 build.
Thenoxx Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2012.06.30 21:58:00 - [32] - Quote Hold aim for a bit, takes several second when standing to still. Crouch, takes a lot less time to steady. Somewhat related. The draw distance on Aim'ed Sniper rifles could use a fix, even zoomed, any PC's past few hundred feet never render. Makes counter sniping the guys who get on the East tower troublesome, to get in range to even see them, they've seen you 1st. The grunts Cant see them, so they will never even get a courtesy marker. You get up there, your pretty much safe till you come down for ammo, or somebody in a ship wants you, and has a clue where you actually are on the damn thing.
Forte Appogio Algintal Core Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2012.06.30 22:38:00 - [33] - Quote I don't understand guys, I found a guy in Dust and fired my pistol at the screen, but all that happened was my TV broke. Did I hit him? The sway is there to avoid quickscoping and balance. Snipers are an incredibly powerful weapon and they need to have some checks. I think the reason we have the weird sway (which goes away once you stop moving [catch your breath] and move the scope very slowly) is the same reason Swarms can't fire when locked and you can't inject yourself. Yeah it's weird, but is it not the lesser of two evils? Also: if you're standing still and scope there HAS to be some Sway. You don't just magically lift the rifle to your face without it swaying.
Otosan Ookami Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2012.06.30 22:49:00 - [34] - Quote Sway reduces further with the Specialty skill you can buy after getting to Sniper 5. It did help last build. But yes, it's annoying as hell to back out of the scope to use your peripheral vision without moving, and have the scope move pointlessly.
F0nx 6	Posted - 2012.07.01 01:23:00 - [35] - Quote agreed, at the very least do a time limit on it, if your character doesnt move for 5 seconds or something no sway.
ZERO AURAZ Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2012.07.01 01:28:00 - [36] - Quote crouching is for hiding, sway needs to be fixed but it should be reduced overall. your just mad cuz someone killed you with sniper am i right?
Kieth Leola Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 10	Posted - 2012.07.01 01:38:00 - [37] - Quote Sniping is very easy in this game compared to Battlefield 3, in my opinion. I just ran out of ammo after getting 11 kills with my sniper before having to suicide to get more ammo. Just be smart and crouch, and you'll do fine. If you have sway and it bothers you, stop moving and crouch. If you're like me and can compensate for sway then you can snipe in more hectic environments. I think the snipers are fine right now (aside from 3 shots in the militia sniper) and while unrealistic, make a good balance between being too easy and too difficult. Especially with the state the hit detection is in, I think we need a little help with our sniping.


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