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da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1289	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:21:00 - [1] - Quote So ya thnx to CatMerc to linking Dennie Fleetfoots channel https://youtu.be/YLGdp9lp2Kw Finally Dust514 is near the end and we can get this shite off of the ps3
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit 2939	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:25:00 - [2] - Quote Meh. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3734	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:28:00 - [3] - Quote da GAND wrote: So ya thnx to CatMerc to linking Dennie Fleetfoots channel https://youtu.be/YLGdp9lp2Kw Thanks ;) . But now I'm even more disappointed to see a dumbed down UE4 version of Dust514 take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3726	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:32:00 - [4] - Quote So all the Same assets from Dust All Module and Loadout Customisation Removed Same Game Mechanics Only things worthy of note. 6 Classes in Total Light - Infiltrator - Sharpshooter Medium - Assault - Support Heavy - Sentinel - Vanguard Shotgun now shoots green. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Syeven Reed T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1248	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:32:00 - [5] - Quote Thanks :) SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED EvE - 21 Day Trial
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1292	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:34:00 - [6] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: So all the Same assets from Dust All Module and Loadout Customisation Removed Same Game Mechanics Only things worthy of note. 6 Classes in Total Light - Infiltrator - Sharpshooter Medium - Assault - Support Heavy - Sentinel - Vanguard Shotgun now shoots green. Ya all dats just stuff for now, hoping we get a lot more customizations kinda like we did in dust but maybe not as much. Oh ya and the Caldari heavy was using an HMG, so besides the forge gun I guess there's still no new heavy weapons. Finally Dust514 is near the end and we can get this shite off of the ps3
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3726	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:36:00 - [7] - Quote da GAND wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: So all the Same assets from Dust All Module and Loadout Customisation Removed Same Game Mechanics Only things worthy of note. 6 Classes in Total Light - Infiltrator - Sharpshooter Medium - Assault - Support Heavy - Sentinel - Vanguard Shotgun now shoots green. Ya all dats just stuff for now, hoping we get a lot more customizations kinda like we did in dust but maybe not as much. Oh ya and the Caldari heavy was using an HMG, so besides the forge gun I guess there's still no new heavy weapons. There is nothing, they have spent however long they have been working on this making shiny corridors. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3735	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:37:00 - [8] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: da GAND wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: So all the Same assets from Dust All Module and Loadout Customisation Removed Same Game Mechanics Only things worthy of note. 6 Classes in Total Light - Infiltrator - Sharpshooter Medium - Assault - Support Heavy - Sentinel - Vanguard Shotgun now shoots green. Ya all dats just stuff for now, hoping we get a lot more customizations kinda like we did in dust but maybe not as much. Oh ya and the Caldari heavy was using an HMG, so besides the forge gun I guess there's still no new heavy weapons. There is nothing, they have spent however long they have been working on this making shiny corridors. Problem is that given the assets were already there, UE4 automagically makes them shining. I don't understand what they have been doing the whole time. take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3726	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:38:00 - [9] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: da GAND wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: So all the Same assets from Dust All Module and Loadout Customisation Removed Same Game Mechanics Only things worthy of note. 6 Classes in Total Light - Infiltrator - Sharpshooter Medium - Assault - Support Heavy - Sentinel - Vanguard Shotgun now shoots green. Ya all dats just stuff for now, hoping we get a lot more customizations kinda like we did in dust but maybe not as much. Oh ya and the Caldari heavy was using an HMG, so besides the forge gun I guess there's still no new heavy weapons. There is nothing, they have spent however long they have been working on this making shiny corridors. Problem is that given the assets were already there, UE4 automagically makes them shining. I don't understand what they have been doing the whole time. Making the shotgun shoot green stuff. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3737	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:40:00 - [10] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: da GAND wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: So all the Same assets from Dust All Module and Loadout Customisation Removed Same Game Mechanics Only things worthy of note. 6 Classes in Total Light - Infiltrator - Sharpshooter Medium - Assault - Support Heavy - Sentinel - Vanguard Shotgun now shoots green. Ya all dats just stuff for now, hoping we get a lot more customizations kinda like we did in dust but maybe not as much. Oh ya and the Caldari heavy was using an HMG, so besides the forge gun I guess there's still no new heavy weapons. There is nothing, they have spent however long they have been working on this making shiny corridors. Problem is that given the assets were already there, UE4 automagically makes them shining. I don't understand what they have been doing the whole time. Making the shotgun shoot green stuff. I can guarantee you that that's a three-four hours work. take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514

Murder Medic Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 815	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:40:00 - [11] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Problem is that given the assets were already there, UE4 automagically makes them shining. I don't understand what they have been doing the whole time. Not allocating funds and staff to the new project, that's for damn sure. Hilmar talked about Nova for less than a ******* minute. And half of that was him stammering trying to make it sound impressive. Even DUST Jesus couldn't find the words at first to describe what they were doing. Music Video: Farewell DUST Turns out DUST was the DUST killer
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11226	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:42:00 - [12] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: da GAND wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: So all the Same assets from Dust All Module and Loadout Customisation Removed Same Game Mechanics Only things worthy of note. 6 Classes in Total Light - Infiltrator - Sharpshooter Medium - Assault - Support Heavy - Sentinel - Vanguard Shotgun now shoots green. Ya all dats just stuff for now, hoping we get a lot more customizations kinda like we did in dust but maybe not as much. Oh ya and the Caldari heavy was using an HMG, so besides the forge gun I guess there's still no new heavy weapons. There is nothing, they have spent however long they have been working on this making shiny corridors. Problem is that given the assets were already there, UE4 automagically makes them shining. I don't understand what they have been doing the whole time. Dusts version of U3was heavily, heavily modded. Not sure if it's as simple as that. Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3726	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:44:00 - [13] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: da GAND wrote: Ya all dats just stuff for now, hoping we get a lot more customizations kinda like we did in dust but maybe not as much. Oh ya and the Caldari heavy was using an HMG, so besides the forge gun I guess there's still no new heavy weapons. There is nothing, they have spent however long they have been working on this making shiny corridors. Problem is that given the assets were already there, UE4 automagically makes them shining. I don't understand what they have been doing the whole time. Making the shotgun shoot green stuff. I can guarantee you that that's a three-four hours work. Not in CCP time that is at least a month. On UE4 it is literally 10 mins, if that. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 829	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:46:00 - [14] - Quote Murder Medic wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Problem is that given the assets were already there, UE4 automagically makes them shining. I don't understand what they have been doing the whole time. Not allocating funds and staff to the new project, that's for damn sure. Hilmar talked about Nova for less than a ******* minute. And half of that was him stammering trying to make it sound impressive. Even DUST Jesus couldn't find the words at first to describe what they were doing. Face it, Nova is just something to make the Dusters think they've kept working on it. In reality they're just totally besotted with Valkyrie, which will end up being a huge, expensive white elephant when noone plays it for the expense of the equipment.
Stupid Blueberry The Parallax II Hypersleep Dialogues 1287	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:49:00 - [15] - Quote You people can't be happy about anything. **** you all. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen. Orbital Laser S is hot.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3728	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:51:00 - [16] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: You people can't be happy about anything. ** you all. What is there to be happy about, they could literally have ported DUST to the PC and it would have been just as good. Intact it probably would have been better, because DUST still has things I liked. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 832	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:53:00 - [17] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: You people can't be happy about anything. **** you all. Why should we be happy about a game that's worse than Dust, has less EvE connection than Dust, and retains the same lobby shooter aspects that are the main problem with the EvE integration we're wanting? I'd be happy if they just kept Dust going, but they're not even doing that. No, I'm not happy with anything they're doing.
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 6962	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:53:00 - [18] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: You people can't be happy about anything. **** you all. Pros - better graphics, sexy shotgun Cons-no longer an mmo, 1 race, lack of costumization and how bout vehicles? Yes all that can be changed but for now what is there to be happy about?
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1298	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:53:00 - [19] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: You people can't be happy about anything. **** you all. Dude after 2 years one should expect plenty more, especially if they're using the same assets from their previous game. Even if the Shanghai office is tiny 2 YEARS BRO!! Plus everything they've accomplished before then. But hey at least people get to play the game and we're gonna get more than one vid since people are gonna be recording their gameplay. Project Nova Gameplay
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 832	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:54:00 - [20] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: You people can't be happy about anything. **** you all. What is there to be happy about, they could literally have ported DUST to the PC and it would have been just as good. Intact it probably would have been better, because DUST still has things I liked. Exactly.

xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3739	Posted - 2016.04.21 13:56:00 - [21] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: da GAND wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: So all the Same assets from Dust All Module and Loadout Customisation Removed Same Game Mechanics Only things worthy of note. 6 Classes in Total Light - Infiltrator - Sharpshooter Medium - Assault - Support Heavy - Sentinel - Vanguard Shotgun now shoots green. Ya all dats just stuff for now, hoping we get a lot more customizations kinda like we did in dust but maybe not as much. Oh ya and the Caldari heavy was using an HMG, so besides the forge gun I guess there's still no new heavy weapons. There is nothing, they have spent however long they have been working on this making shiny corridors. Problem is that given the assets were already there, UE4 automagically makes them shining. I don't understand what they have been doing the whole time. Dusts version of U3was heavily, heavily modded. Not sure if it's as simple as that. Yes it was indeed, but really, believe me if I tell you that this is totally not a 2 years work. UE4 is both easy to use and built around drastically reducing development time and what I've seen is what random guys from Epic Games make in their Training Livestream in an hour or two (always, given the assets were already there, and they probably were). take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514
Stupid Blueberry The Parallax II Hypersleep Dialogues 1287	Posted - 2016.04.21 14:00:00 - [22] - Quote No it would not have because DUST to PC port would still be based on ** code and would still take forever to update thanks to that. The pessimistic has just gotten so irritating with all of you guys and I'm really glad that you won't be playing it so I won't have to read bleeding heart whiny bullshit on the forums every single day. Entitled *, go find a new game to *** about, it's over. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen. Orbital Laser S is hot.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3730	Posted - 2016.04.21 14:04:00 - [23] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: No it would not have because DUST to PC port would still be based on ** code and would still take forever to update thanks to that. The pessimistic has just gotten so irritating with all of you guys and I'm really glad that you won't be playing it so I won't have to read bleeding heart whiny bullshit on the forums every single day. Entitled *, go find a new game to * about, it's over. Oh no god for bid that updates would have taken forever, not like we had already lived with that. Believe me I'll probably still play it, same way I played dust after the rouge wedding. But the dream of an FPS that lives within and influences the EvE universe is pretty much dead. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
deadpool lifetone D3ATH CARD 138	Posted - 2016.04.21 14:41:00 - [24] - Quote . This is just a small peek of what was talked about! I really enjoyed it , I can't wait for more info and game play tomorrow and later on . amazeballs lol ( F U!!!! ) * ( Why Dead? ) , (n+Æn+Çn+¢´)GÇón++pâçGòÉS+ÇX - - - - n++(º Gûí º l\|l)/
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 4401	Posted - 2016.04.21 14:47:00 - [25] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: You people can't be happy about anything. **** you all. Why should we be happy about a game that's worse than Dust, has less EvE connection than Dust, and retains the same lobby shooter aspects that are the main problem with the EvE integration we're wanting? I'd be happy if they just kept Dust going, but they're not even doing that. No, I'm not happy with anything they're doing. How do you know the game is worse than dust? lol...omg you guys are worse than the high school girls Check RND out here
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 4401	Posted - 2016.04.21 14:49:00 - [26] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: No it would not have because DUST to PC port would still be based on ** code and would still take forever to update thanks to that. The pessimistic has just gotten so irritating with all of you guys and I'm really glad that you won't be playing it so I won't have to read bleeding heart whiny bullshit on the forums every single day. Entitled *, go find a new game to *** about, it's over. I wont be playing on pc cause I''m a console head but I totally agree with you. This community is ridiculous. Check RND out here
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 2243	Posted - 2016.04.21 14:50:00 - [27] - Quote What makes you think all module and loadout customisation will be removed? They've never said that. In fact I'm pretty sure Rattati implied there would be plenty of customisation. There are 6 classes. We have 5 at the moment in Dust. If customisaton is more simple and user friendly than Dust, that's not the same as it being removed.
Ghunn Smoke Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.04.21 14:57:00 - [28] - Quote Murder Medic wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Problem is that given the assets were already there, UE4 automagically makes them shining. I don't understand what they have been doing the whole time. Not allocating funds and staff to the new project, that's for damn sure. Hilmar talked about Nova for less than a ******* minute. And half of that was him stammering trying to make it sound impressive. Even DUST Jesus couldn't find the words at first to describe what they were doing. Maybe he was just afraid of what happened with project Legion but my issue is , will this game still be the stepchild that Dust 514 is with the EVE community still looking at it with disdain and what will they do to help those who play the " new " game feel more ingrained in New Eden just as much as those who play EVE . In my mind it shouldn't be a competition , one universe and one goal should be the feeling not , " Hey you play the " new " game ( goes and giggles with the rest of the EVE community ) .?. how's that going ? " It just pissed me off at the fact that Dust for all purposes , was never taken seriously except by those who played the game and even still , they could barely take all the bugs and glitches that were noticeable so that didn't help as well .
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3731	Posted - 2016.04.21 15:03:00 - [29] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: What makes you think all module and loadout customisation will be removed? They've never said that. In fact I'm pretty sure Rattati implied there would be plenty of customisation. There are 6 classes. We have 5 at the moment in Dust. If customisaton is more simple and user friendly than Dust, that's not the same as it being removed. Well there are 2 ways this is going. 1) This demo at Fanfest is so bare bones that pretty much everything is just to get it working. At which point you have to ask given UE4 already has a shooter practically packed, why did they do this? 2) This demo at Fanfest has the base mechanics in place. This makes a DUST in Space with: - Less Customisation Snipers only on a Sharpshooter class. No modules No vehicles No Turrets -Less MMO No factional Warfare No Planetary Conquest No "Alliances" sure you can have clans -Less Strategy Lots of long corridors Little Cover Either way you look at its disappointing. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
byte modal 648	Posted - 2016.04.21 15:57:00 - [30] - Quote Either this or that, eh? You keep saying "trust me when I say..." But then you use silly extremes ignoring legit development practices to make your points. Pull back for a moment. Do you actually think it's a straight copy/paste and done? Really? I didn't think so. So stop using that as your metric of labor relative to what you see. If you build a house on a broken foundation, there is nothing that you can put on top of it that will mask the fault. If the foundation is shot, you start over ...if you want to start over. Sure, you may have the blueprints from the original, but you're still going to build new walls, electrical, and plumbing. Too, if you're going through the trouble of making it new, why not make improvements? There goes your blueprint---at least in the form that it was originally. Come on. You're painting extremes to justify your condescending views. Sure, from lessons learned your labor may be faster on a point-for-point rebuild, but you still have the labor of a reBUILD. All the while trying to fix mistakes from the previous iteration, and still PLANNING to make room for modular expansions where possible. Conceptualize the plan, design the infrastructure, then go ...all over again. For all we know, this shell has been prepared for future improvements just waiting to be filled which is what may have eaten labor. That logic, however, does NOT mean the structure is void. Hell, it may very well be empty and useless. My point is, I do not know. Neither do you. So enough already. It blows my mind how eager people are to ** and moan over details they have only a fraction** of second-hand access to, then jump to the most unreasonable conclusions. Your conclusions may turn out to be true! But at this point, you're just as likely to know by shaking an 8-ball. kitten bacon taco (nom)

xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3743	Posted - 2016.04.21 16:21:00 - [31] - Quote byte modal wrote: Either this or that, eh? You keep saying "trust me when I say..." But then you use silly extremes ignoring legit development practices to make your points. Pull back for a moment. Do you actually think it's a straight copy/paste and done? Really? I didn't think so. So stop using that as your metric of labor relative to what you see. If you build a house on a broken foundation, there is nothing that you can put on top of it that will mask the fault. If the foundation is shot, you start over ...if you want to start over. Sure, you may have the blueprints from the original, but you're still going to build new walls, electrical, and plumbing. Too, if you're going through the trouble of making it new, why not make improvements? There goes your blueprint---at least in the form that it was originally. Come on. You're painting extremes to justify your condescending views. Sure, from lessons learned your labor may be faster on a point-for-point rebuild, but you still have the labor of a reBUILD. All the while trying to fix mistakes from the previous iteration, and still PLANNING to make room for modular expansions where possible. Conceptualize the plan, design the infrastructure, then go ...all over again. For all we know, this shell has been prepared for future improvements just waiting to be filled which is what may have eaten labor. That logic, however, does NOT mean the structure is void. Hell, it may very well be empty and useless. My point is, I do not know. Neither do you. So enough already. It blows my mind how eager people are to ** and moan over details they have only a fraction** of second-hand access to, then jump to the most unreasonable conclusions. Your conclusions may turn out to be true! But at this point, you're just as likely to know by shaking an 8-ball. The assets really are a copy/paste work. I could videoproof that for you if you want. You usually make a high res asset, then retopology, UV Unwrap (basically "flatten" the asset in order to apply 2d textures), texturing and you're good to go. This, of course, takes time. But if you already have the textures done (which are also made from a high res texture and then resized) and the high res model, you "just" have to retopo the high res model and apply higher res textures. It is not as easy as I'm describing it for a beginner, but a professional can do it incredibly fast. On the animations topic: those are Dust 514 animations. Clearly. Again, it can be easily copy/pasted if you still have the animation skeleton (which I presume they do, or they have incredibly good animators that can replicate Dust 514 animations). Now, I'm sure (or at least I hope) it is not made in Blueprints (and btw I'm talking about Unreal Engine 4 Blueprints, which is a kind of visual scripting), but still, that demo is easily reachable in an unbelievable short amount of time in UE4. The "code" you guys talk about basically. Please note that I'm not saying they did nothing the whole time. I'm just saying that, based on what we have seen, that demo can be done in a very short amount of time by a team of professionals. take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514
byte modal 648	Posted - 2016.04.21 18:29:00 - [32] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: byte modal wrote: Either this or that, eh? You keep saying "trust me when I say..." But then you use silly extremes ignoring legit development practices to make your points. Pull back for a moment. Do you actually think it's a straight copy/paste and done? Really? I didn't think so. So stop using that as your metric of labor relative to what you see. If you build a house on a broken foundation, there is nothing that you can put on top of it that will mask the fault. If the foundation is shot, you start over ...if you want to start over. Sure, you may have the blueprints from the original, but you're still going to build new walls, electrical, and plumbing. Too, if you're going through the trouble of making it new, why not make improvements? There goes your blueprint---at least in the form that it was originally. Come on. You're painting extremes to justify your condescending views. Sure, from lessons learned your labor may be faster on a point-for-point rebuild, but you still have the labor of a reBUILD. All the while trying to fix mistakes from the previous iteration, and still PLANNING to make room for modular expansions where possible. Conceptualize the plan, design the infrastructure, then go ...all over again. For all we know, this shell has been prepared for future improvements just waiting to be filled which is what may have eaten labor. That logic, however, does NOT mean the structure is void. Hell, it may very well be empty and useless. My point is, I do not know. Neither do you. So enough already. It blows my mind how eager people are to ** and moan over details they have only a fraction** of second-hand access to, then jump to the most unreasonable conclusions. Your conclusions may turn out to be true! But at this point, you're just as likely to know by shaking an 8-ball. The assets really are a copy/paste work. I could videoproof that for you if you want. You usually make a high res asset, then retopology, UV Unwrap (basically "flatten" the asset in order to apply 2d textures), texturing and you're good to go. This, of course, takes time. But if you already have the textures done (which are also made from a high res texture and then resized) and the high res model, you "just" have to retopo the high res model and apply higher res textures. It is not as easy as I'm describing it for a beginner, but a professional can do it incredibly fast. On the animations topic: those are Dust 514 animations. Clearly. Again, it can be easily copy/pasted if you still have the animation skeleton (which I presume they do, or they have incredibly good animators that can replicate Dust 514 animations). Now, I'm sure (or at least I hope) it is not made in Blueprints (and btw I'm talking about Unreal Engine 4 Blueprints, which is a kind of visual scripting), but still, that demo is easily reachable in an unbelievable short amount of time in UE4. The "code" you guys talk about basically. Please note that I'm not saying they did nothing the whole time. I'm just saying that, based on what we have seen, that demo can be done in a very short amount of time by a team of professionals. Well, my reference to blueprints was only in line with my house analogy. No, I did not mean Unreal development. Also, I do not work in game development so I admit I'm rather ignorant. I'm in graphic design, but have a hand in 3d modelling and desktop/mobile app development. So take my views in that context. I did not mean assets as in model libraries and textures. I can assume those can be recycled. Where I work, we have had to completely rebuild online applications, interface front-end, database, etc., digging through old horrible code to decipher how the hell anyone got this PoS to work in the first place in order to recreate, with more efficient coding, the functions our client had become accustomed to. Simply because it was easier to trash it than to deal with continually patching the convoluted crap they left us with. Maybe it took the previous team 2 years from scratch, but it only took us maybe 6 months to get back up to speed (just for example, here). That was still a long time. For someone to come in after-the-fact or during and say, "Why is this taking so long? It's just a copy and paste!" ---which my boss constantly does---is a bit insulting. Again, I'm not a developer. I am a designer. But even in my world of developing a handbook, when a client wants to modify a graphic from 1/4 page to 1/2 page, that in and of itself is relatively easy. The problem comes when doing so shifts the 2-5 paragraphs to the next page of a 120-page document, and I'm on page 12. The cascade effect takes place and every page thereafter requires adjustments for this one seemingly easy change. Someone always complains that it's taking too long out of ignorance, because it's so much easier to forget the details and disruptions created by a change when they are not making the change themselves to be aware of it all. Hey, I'm just offering perspective. I'm learning here too: game development requires no code. copy already-made assets without modifications and you have a fully functional reproduction in a completely new engine, and gone are all the bugs and frustrations from the previous. Got it. I don't know wtf they've done. I'm barely reading the forums atm due to being at work. I just don't know. I am, however, getting frustrated by all the hate and whining I have been able to read for when I can. Reactions seem short-sited and assuming ...to say the least. kitten bacon taco (nom)
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3748	Posted - 2016.04.21 18:50:00 - [33] - Quote byte modal wrote: Hey, I'm just offering perspective. I'm learning here too: game development requires no code. copy already-made assets without modifications and you have a fully functional reproduction in a completely new engine, and gone are all the bugs and frustrations from the previous. Got it. I don't know wtf they've done. I'm barely reading the forums atm due to being at work. I just don't know. I am, however, getting frustrated by all the hate and whining I have been able to read for when I can. Reactions seem short-sited and assuming ...to say the least. Game development does require code: it's just not as an "impossible task" as many people believe it is. As I already said on another topic, the problem is not coding, it's programming, but talking about this would derail the topic. Considering you already know how you want the rifle to shoot, the "programming" part is already done and then you simply have to "code" that, or if you whish, "translate" it so that the computer can understand what you want that rifle to do. But again, it's not as impossible as some people might think. Actually it's pretty easy. You can think at the engine as the base of any games: you then build "things" up from that base. Being it Unity or Unreal, differences are subtle: you can take an asset and put it on your level in Unity, then copy/paste the same asset in Unreal and it will work. It won't do anything because you need to code something for that asset, but if you have an old asset you can reuse it as much as you want if you like it. And sure, it is not the same thing as Dust. I want to stress that I was always talking about that demo. take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4694	Posted - 2016.04.21 19:08:00 - [34] - Quote Depressing Going down the classes route is a terrible idea, MGO3 went that way from MGO2 which allowed you to mix and match skills and people hate MGO3 but in Nova it is even worse since i DUST was all about customization and mixing it up. Also taking out the things that make DUST good and scrapping them is another backward step. Legion looked better. CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
Nirwanda Vaughns 1932	Posted - 2016.04.21 20:02:00 - [35] - Quote the way DUST operated out of matches was a very great game. its what set it apart from your bog standard shooter, things liek the merc quarters, the customization, the fitting screen ect and the way the skill progression worked. all of it was very good and made it interesting. Was nice to see the covenant caldari assault looking suit though in one of the videos. I'm hoping as time moves on we get bigger teams and maps plus various scenarios to play out with perhaps even outdoor maps liek in legion demo. dust as a standalone shooter not connected to EVE would have proably worked better. it just needed better graphics and stability Find me in the new world or PSN: LaughlynVaughns
byte modal 649	Posted - 2016.04.21 20:43:00 - [36] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Edit: And in fact in an article they said that they have the foundations for other mechanics in place, but they wanted to make a demo of the feeling of the game. And that is really my primary point. I am not saying coding is an impossible task. Nor do I think anyone defending the demo is saying such things. I do believe that most of the posts I'm seeing here as backlash in the forums are taking the exact opposite by suggesting it's nothing to do. 10 minutes and done. I can copy and paste faster... etc., etc. All I'm trying to point out is that there are clearly more elements involved than pasting assets in a game engine that are completely, if not deliberately, overlooked to exaggerate the problem in order to feel justified in complaining to begin with. There are mechanics at play that we cannot witness via this one demo. Simple. Sure, there are potential problems on NOVA. I'm not disagreeing on that point; but it is utterly childish to kick and scream at a worst-case scenario (as if we know) when we don't have enough evidence for ANY scenario other than what we have seen of a few minutes of gameplay. What? My PC isn't working because the power cable is unplugged? Well hell. I guess I have to build a new tower.... FFS nothing ever works around here... It's just a difference of logic. People are eager to b!tch, and it's easier to ignore the obvious to be able to do so. Case in point: the article you referenced suggests more than what the posts are allowing into the equation. Stop cherry picking the argument points (whoever). Go with the flow and see what comes. It's a proof of concept. That's like judging a movie by watching one daily. I would bet money had they shown more, or less, the reactions would have been just the same. Just my .02 ISK. kitten bacon taco (nom)
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 847	Posted - 2016.04.21 20:50:00 - [37] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: the way DUST operated out of matches was a very great game. its what set it apart from your bog standard shooter, things liek the merc quarters, the customization, the fitting screen ect and the way the skill progression worked. all of it was very good and made it interesting. Was nice to see the covenant caldari assault looking suit though in one of the videos. I'm hoping as time moves on we get bigger teams and maps plus various scenarios to play out with perhaps even outdoor maps liek in legion demo. dust as a standalone shooter not connected to EVE would have proably worked better. it just needed better graphics and stability You're hoping as time moves on.... That's really the problem, though, isn't it? By the time this becomes what it should be, most of the current players will have moved on. By pulling the plug on Dust when they did, rather than porting it to PS4, and way before the new version is ready for PC, CCP have basicly stopped us dead in the water.
byte modal 650	Posted - 2016.04.21 21:02:00 - [38] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: the way DUST operated out of matches was a very great game. its what set it apart from your bog standard shooter, things liek the merc quarters, the customization, the fitting screen ect and the way the skill progression worked. all of it was very good and made it interesting. Was nice to see the covenant caldari assault looking suit though in one of the videos. I'm hoping as time moves on we get bigger teams and maps plus various scenarios to play out with perhaps even outdoor maps liek in legion demo. dust as a standalone shooter not connected to EVE would have proably worked better. it just needed better graphics and stability You're hoping as time moves on.... That's really the problem, though, isn't it? By the time this becomes what it should be, most of the current players will have moved on. By pulling the plug on Dust when they did, rather than porting it to PS4, and way before the new version is ready for PC, CCP have basicly stopped us dead in the water. So pull the plug? Wait longer for a legit BETA stage complete with all the MMO, economy, and single-player features we dream of before showing the world so that noone gets bored in-game waiting for more content? That won't **** anyone off. or Put out a staged release hoping to make a compromise between giving earlier access to the community instead of waiting another year or more between DUST and NOVA, and allowing progressive updates/expansions/whatever down the road that would otherwise halt current development indefinitely? To me, they're damned if they do and damned if they don't with this community. Pulling the plug seems the only real option if no one is willing to accept either of the others. kitten bacon taco (nom)
james selim brownstein NECROM0NGERS 315	Posted - 2016.04.21 21:32:00 - [39] - Quote This can all be summed up with 3 letters: meh n++Gòª¦¦¦¦-ç¦+¦+¦+¦+ WAITING FOR DEPLOYMENTGòñGöÇGöÇGöÇ Gò¡Gê¬Gò«n+ên+¦n++n+¦n+ë
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 849	Posted - 2016.04.21 22:07:00 - [40] - Quote byte modal wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: the way DUST operated out of matches was a very great game. its what set it apart from your bog standard shooter, things liek the merc quarters, the customization, the fitting screen ect and the way the skill progression worked. all of it was very good and made it interesting. Was nice to see the covenant caldari assault looking suit though in one of the videos. I'm hoping as time moves on we get bigger teams and maps plus various scenarios to play out with perhaps even outdoor maps liek in legion demo. dust as a standalone shooter not connected to EVE would have proably worked better. it just needed better graphics and stability You're hoping as time moves on.... That's really the problem, though, isn't it? By the time this becomes what it should be, most of the current players will have moved on. By pulling the plug on Dust when they did, rather than porting it to PS4, and way before the new version is ready for PC, CCP have basicly stopped us dead in the water. So pull the plug? Wait longer for a legit BETA stage complete with all the MMO, economy, and single-player features we dream of before showing the world so that noone gets bored in-game waiting for more content? That won't **** anyone off. or Put out a staged release hoping to make a compromise between giving earlier access to the community instead of waiting another year or more between DUST and NOVA, and allowing progressive updates/expansions/whatever down the road that would otherwise halt current development indefinitely? To me, they're damned if they do and damned if they don't with this community. Pulling the plug seems the only real option if no one is willing to accept either of the others. But they HAVEN'T given us a staged release. Is there any indication that this PC version is going to immediately take over from Dust when Dust shuts down? If so I haven't seen it. From where I'm sitting, this looks very much like they are shutting down Dust because it's on PS3 and they didn't want to do the work to port it to PS4 to keep it going for as long as necessary until the PC version was ready to at least have the first release of the staged release.

Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7842	Posted - 2016.04.22 00:53:00 - [41] - Quote Everyone in this thread is dumb because that was a deliberately small-scale tech demo set up so people could just walk up and play it. There are now several articles up online with Rattati explaining how he wants to make the gameplay fun by itself and then move on from there. Stop rumor mongering. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
byte modal 650	Posted - 2016.04.22 01:00:00 - [42] - Quote ^ferk yeah! kitten bacon taco (nom)
byte modal 652	Posted - 2016.04.22 13:50:00 - [43] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Everyone in this thread is dumb because that was a deliberately small-scale tech demo set up so people could just walk up and play it. There are now several articles up online with Rattati explaining how he wants to make the gameplay fun by itself and then move on from there. Stop rumor mongering. only bumping this to quote these few, yet powerful words of common sense and practical reasoning. also: Good morning, and long live the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as Prince. R.I.P. Are ya ready? "aaaaaaah!!!! P**** con-TRO-OHL!!!! OOO-oooh!!!!" <3 kitten bacon taco (nom)
Jack Boost Zarena Family 1097	Posted - 2016.04.22 13:58:00 - [44] - Quote When you look closely at videos that we have now... - why hands/weapon (shotgun/nade) are so big? This game will be on tablets/smartphones? ... Not much time left...
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3746	Posted - 2016.04.22 13:58:00 - [45] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Everyone in this thread is dumb because that was a deliberately small-scale tech demo set up so people could just walk up and play it. There are now several articles up online with Rattati explaining how he wants to make the gameplay fun by itself and then move on from there. Stop rumor mongering. While I agree we probably over-reacted, as per usual fan base behaviour, it's a bit of a failure on CCP's part again. The announcement consisted of the CEO, who clearly doesn't give a flying ** about the FPS in new eden dream, saying "yeah we are working on something" followed by a "tech demo", no keynote or announcement. The only information we've gotten regarding NOVA has come through 3rd Party Sources. Hell Project Discovery, a ing minigame has been given more exposure at fanfest with a slot in the presentation theatre and a round-table. Why wasn't this fine for Nova? They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
byte modal 652	Posted - 2016.04.22 15:01:00 - [46] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Everyone in this thread is dumb because that was a deliberately small-scale tech demo set up so people could just walk up and play it. There are now several articles up online with Rattati explaining how he wants to make the gameplay fun by itself and then move on from there. Stop rumor mongering. While I agree we probably over-reacted, as per usual fan base behaviour, it's a bit of a failure on CCP's part again. The announcement consisted of the CEO, who clearly doesn't give a flying ** about the FPS in new eden dream, saying "yeah we are working on something" followed by a "tech demo", no keynote or announcement. The only information we've gotten regarding NOVA has come through 3rd Party Sources. Hell Project Discovery, a ing minigame has been given more exposure at fanfest with a slot in the presentation theatre and a round-table. Why wasn't this fine for Nova? We got an announcement for Legion, and the community went ape sh!t. We don't get an announcement for development of a concept** (when it has been admitted that they didn't think they would even be able to have a tech demo by FF to show anything to begin with), and the community went ape sh!t. Sounds like it was an unintended bonus that they were able to throw in last minute. Sounds like the community can't be pleased by anything. Sounds like CCP can't win for losing. Sounds like a lot of screeching kids in need of momma's milk when they're all much too old to know better. Or a good belt. Either way, they're still gonna cry. kitten bacon taco (nom)
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3747	Posted - 2016.04.22 15:18:00 - [47] - Quote byte modal wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Everyone in this thread is dumb because that was a deliberately small-scale tech demo set up so people could just walk up and play it. There are now several articles up online with Rattati explaining how he wants to make the gameplay fun by itself and then move on from there. Stop rumor mongering. While I agree we probably over-reacted, as per usual fan base behaviour, it's a bit of a failure on CCP's part again. The announcement consisted of the CEO, who clearly doesn't give a flying ** about the FPS in new eden dream, saying "yeah we are working on something" followed by a "tech demo", no keynote or announcement. The only information we've gotten regarding NOVA has come through 3rd Party Sources. Hell Project Discovery, a ing minigame has been given more exposure at fanfest with a slot in the presentation theatre and a round-table. Why wasn't this fine for Nova? We got an announcement for Legion, and the community went ape sh!t. We don't get an announcement for development of a concept (when it has been admitted that they didn't think they would even be able to have a tech demo by FF to show anything to begin with), and the community went ape sh!t. Sounds like it was an unintended bonus that they were able to throw in last minute. Sounds like the community can't be pleased by anything. Sounds like CCP can't win for losing. Sounds like a lot of screeching kids in need of momma's milk when they're all much too old to know better. Or a good belt. Either way, they're still gonna cry. Yeah we got an announcement for Legion entirely out of the blue, when we thought they were still developing DUST when it turns out nearly a years worth of Dev time went to Legion. We had every right to go ape at legion. As for this demo, without any kind of supporting breif, or proof of concept it is just a rehash of old assets. CCP don't know how to do Press Release, they don't think about how the fantasy will react when they say things. You would have thought they had learnt that by now. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
byte modal 654	Posted - 2016.04.22 15:29:00 - [48] - Quote I would have thought the community would have learned by now how CCP works. No matter how many times I bash my skull against that brick wall, it ain't moving and I just get a headache from the effort. Now, I just go with the flow and see what comes. I suggest the same to you and others, but by all means keep at it. That wall ain't going nowhere if that's what you really want ;) <3 kitten bacon taco (nom)
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7881	Posted - 2016.04.22 16:28:00 - [49] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Everyone in this thread is dumb because that was a deliberately small-scale tech demo set up so people could just walk up and play it. There are now several articles up online with Rattati explaining how he wants to make the gameplay fun by itself and then move on from there. Stop rumor mongering. While I agree we probably over-reacted, as per usual fan base behaviour, it's a bit of a failure on CCP's part again. The announcement consisted of the CEO, who clearly doesn't give a flying ** about the FPS in new eden dream, saying "yeah we are working on something" followed by a "tech demo", no keynote or announcement. The only information we've gotten regarding NOVA has come through 3rd Party Sources. Hell Project Discovery, a **ing minigame has been given more exposure at fanfest with a slot in the presentation theatre and a round-table. Why wasn't this fine for Nova? Keep in mind that Project Discovery is the only part of CCP's games that actually matters in reality. Playing that minigame helps categorize the ungodly shitload of samples that the researchers composing the Human Protein Atlas have to go through. When you look at it that way, it makes a lot of sense that it got so much mention. Learning how all the proteins in our bodies work will go into research of medicine and improve the quality of life for our entire species. That's a REALLY big deal. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
bolsh lee Kinsho Swords Caldari State 1561	Posted - 2016.04.22 16:53:00 - [50] - Quote I'll be there when released! Any info yet on beta/release date ?



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