DUST Search - Question to Scouts

Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:

XxBlazikenxX wrote:

Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:

2 complex gives you 16db which I believe is what a proto logi with a focused scanner can/can't scan.

And by can/can't is that I've seen people mention 16 and 14 but I've never been scanned on my Scotsman which has 2. Although j also use a cloak which gives like 5% more damp bonus.

But TLDR- neither will keep you safe. You will be scanned unless it's 2 proto.

Wait, scout lvl also matters. Have it to proto and just use 2 pro damps to make sure.

All in all though, if running an armor scout, anything more than one damp will severely impact its overall performance. Use a Kincats/rep/plate/damp for gal

Wrong, on a Minmatar Scout two Complex Profile Dampeners gives you 18 db, which is not enough to dodge a focused, but enough to dodge any other proto scanner on a gal logi. A third dampener would give you 16 db, which is still not enough to dodge the focuses on a gal logi, meaning that having 3 damps is pointless. Adding to this, there is no reason to use two Complex Profile Dampeners when either 1 Complex Profile Dampener and 1 Enhanced or 1 Complex Dampener and 1 Basic (which is what I'm trying to figure out) does the same job, for less isk, and for less CPU cost.

Also, it is almost pointless to lower your db just to dodge the focused since it is a very rare and very gimped scanner anyway.

Edited ^^^ above. Misread.

You can dodge focused with 2 pro damps and pro cloak (10% more damp, hence why I've never been scanned in Scotsman/ 16db + cloak bonus, also has a nice 19db passive scan to scan all but double/triple/cloaked scouts)

Also, rare focused scans? I feel like pulling out my gallogi with 4 focused scans on purpose now. I call it the all seeing Betty, equipped with 3 complex precision mods. No scout (except super damped) can get me.

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XxBlazikenxX Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 4702	Posted - 2016.04.01 19:19:00 - [1] - Quote Is 1 Complex Profile Dampener and 1 Basic Profile Dampener enough to dodge Prototype Gallente Logistics scans from all scanners not including the Duvolle Focuses Scanner if I am using a Minmatar Scout? Or do I need 1 Complex Profile Dampener and 1 Enhanced Profile Dampener to do it? Rule #1 of Dust 514: If you get hatemail, you are doing something right.
Lightning35 Delta514 Federation Marines 62 4531	Posted - 2016.04.01 19:30:00 - [2] - Quote 2 complex gives you 16db which I believe is what a proto logi with a focused scanner can't scan. 1 complex damp in my pro Galscout brings it to 20db which is what all pro (except focused) can scan. Id run an enhanced to make sure you don't get scanned. You could also use an adv/pro scout for extra damp bonus. CEO of Federation Marines 62 - Bravo Company Gallente Loyalist - Quafe - Gk.0s/Gv.0s - 66m SP
XxBlazikenxX Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 4702	Posted - 2016.04.01 19:39:00 - [3] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: 2 complex gives you 16db which I believe is what a proto logi with a focused scanner can/can't scan. And by can/can't is that I've seen people mention 16 and 14 but I've never been scanned on my Scotsman which has 2. Although j also use a cloak which gives like 5% more damp bonus. But TLDR- neither will keep you safe. You will be scanned unless it's 2 proto. Wait, scout lvl also matters. Have it to proto and just use 2 pro damps to make sure. All in all though, if running an armor scout, anything more than one damp will severely impact its overall performance. Use a Kincats/rep/plate/damp for gal Wrong, on a Minmatar Scout two Complex Profile Dampeners gives you 18 db, which is not enough to dodge a focused, but enough to dodge any other proto scanner on a gal logi. A third dampener would give you 16 db, which is still not enough to dodge the focuses on a gal logi, meaning that having 3 damps is pointless. Adding to this, there is no reason to use two Complex Profile Dampeners when either 1 Complex Profile Dampener and 1 Enhanced or 1 Complex Dampener and 1 Basic (which is what I'm trying to figure out) does the same job, for less isk, and for less CPU cost. Also, it is almost pointless to lower your db just to dodge the focused since it is a very rare and very gimped scanner anyway. Rule #1 of Dust 514: If you get hatemail, you are doing something right.
Lightning35 Delta514 Federation Marines 62 4531	Posted - 2016.04.01 19:48:00 - [4] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: 2 complex gives you 16db which I believe is what a proto logi with a focused scanner can/can't scan. And by can/can't is that I've seen people mention 16 and 14 but I've never been scanned on my Scotsman which has 2. Although j also use a cloak which gives like 5% more damp bonus. But TLDR- neither will keep you safe. You will be scanned unless it's 2 proto. Wait, scout lvl also matters. Have it to proto and just use 2 pro damps to make sure. All in all though, if running an armor scout, anything more than one damp will severely impact its overall performance. Use a Kincats/rep/plate/damp for gal Wrong, on a Minmatar Scout two Complex Profile Dampeners gives you 18 db, which is not enough to dodge a focused, but enough to dodge any other proto scanner on a gal logi. A third dampener would give you 16 db, which is still not enough to dodge the focuses on a gal logi, meaning that having 3 damps is pointless. Adding to this, there is no reason to use two Complex Profile Dampeners when either 1 Complex Profile Dampener and 1 Enhanced or 1 Complex Dampener and 1 Basic (which is what I'm trying to figure out) does the same job, for less isk, and for less CPU cost. Also, it is almost pointless to lower your db just to dodge the focused since it is a very rare and very gimped scanner anyway. Edited ^^^ above. Misread. You can dodge focused with 2 pro damps and pro cloak (10% more damp, hence why I've never been scanned in Scotsman/ 16db + cloak bonus) CEO of Federation Marines 62 - Bravo Company Gallente Loyalist - Quafe - Gk.0s/Gv.0s - 66m SP
XxBlazikenxX Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 4702	Posted - 2016.04.01 19:54:00 - [5] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: 2 complex gives you 16db which I believe is what a proto logi with a focused scanner can/can't scan. And by can/can't is that I've seen people mention 16 and 14 but I've never been scanned on my Scotsman which has 2. Although j also use a cloak which gives like 5% more damp bonus. But TLDR- neither will keep you safe. You will be scanned unless it's 2 proto. Wait, scout lvl also matters. Have it to proto and just use 2 pro damps to make sure. All in all though, if running an armor scout, anything more than one damp will severely impact its overall performance. Use a Kincats/rep/plate/damp for gal Wrong, on a Minmatar Scout two Complex Profile Dampeners gives you 18 db, which is not enough to dodge a focused, but enough to dodge any other proto scanner on a gal logi. A third dampener would give you 16 db, which is still not enough to dodge the focuses on a gal logi, meaning that having 3 damps is pointless. Adding to this, there is no reason to use two Complex Profile Dampeners when either 1 Complex Profile Dampener and 1 Enhanced or 1 Complex Dampener and 1 Basic (which is what I'm trying to figure out) does the same job, for less isk, and for less CPU cost. Also, it is almost pointless to lower your db just to dodge the focused since it is a very rare and very gimped scanner anyway. Edited ^^^ above. Misread. You can dodge focused with 2 pro damps and pro cloak (10% more damp, hence why I've never been scanned in Scotsman/ 16db + cloak bonus, also has a nice 19db passive scan to scan all but double/triple/cloaked scouts) Also, rare focused scans? I feel like pulling out my gallogi with 4 focused scans on purpose now. I call it the all seeing Betty, equipped with 3 complex precision mods. No scout (except super damped) can get me. Lol, the only time I've ever been scanned by a focuses is one time in a Domination, and then the you have been scanned message went away in about 8 seconds and no one on the enemy team even noticed me. So no, I don't care about focuses scanners because I don't fear them because THEY SUCK. Rule #1 of Dust 514: If you get hatemail, you are doing something right.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 14668	Posted - 2016.04.01 23:05:00 - [6] - Quote If you are trying to beat max active scans on a Minja, you need 3 Complex Damps AND an active pro cloak. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 2192	Posted - 2016.04.01 23:23:00 - [7] - Quote According to protofits, one complex and one basic profile dampener would give you a profile of 21db (profiles are rounded to 1db in game). This is equal to a Gal logi non-focussed scan meaning you will be scanned. Therefore to avoid non-focussed scans you need two complex damps. Focussed scanners may be rare in pub matches, but they are reasonably common in PC and are very effective due to the team-share they get in PC. The fact that scanners are rotated and that focussed scanners scan everyone, not just scouts, limits their drawbacks. I've played PCs before where my scout's been focus-scanned whenever I've approached an objective. In a PC against competent opponents, a scout will be killed within seconds of being scanned. Using a scout dampened enough to hide from focussed scanners isn't worth it. You'd be better off with an assault.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 14670	Posted - 2016.04.01 23:31:00 - [8] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Using a scout dampened enough to hide from focussed scanners isn't worth it. You'd be better off with an assault. :( I hope that isn't the case in Phoenix. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
XxBlazikenxX Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 4705	Posted - 2016.04.01 23:40:00 - [9] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: If you are trying to beat max active scans on a Minja, you need 3 Complex Damps AND an active pro cloak. I'm not trying to beat max active scans, I'm trying to beat max gal logi proto scans excluding the duvolle focused. In other words I want to be just below 21 db. Rule #1 of Dust 514: If you get hatemail, you are doing something right.
XxBlazikenxX Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 4705	Posted - 2016.04.01 23:41:00 - [10] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: According to protofits, one complex and one basic profile dampener would give you a profile of 21db (profiles are rounded to 1db in game). This is equal to a Gal logi non-focussed scan meaning you will be scanned. Therefore to avoid non-focussed scans you need two complex damps. Focussed scanners may be rare in pub matches, but they are reasonably common in PC and are very effective due to the team-share they get in PC. The fact that scanners are rotated and that focussed scanners scan everyone, not just scouts, limits their drawbacks. I've played PCs before where my scout's been focus-scanned whenever I've approached an objective. In a PC against competent opponents, a scout will be killed within seconds of being scanned. Using a scout dampened enough to hide from focussed scanners isn't worth it. You'd be better off with an assault. Min Scout speed hackers don't get enough credit in PC... Rule #1 of Dust 514: If you get hatemail, you are doing something right.

XxBlazikenxX Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 4705	Posted - 2016.04.01 23:42:00 - [11] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: According to protofits, one complex and one basic profile dampener would give you a profile of 21db (profiles are rounded to 1db in game). This is equal to a Gal logi non-focussed scan meaning you will be scanned. Therefore to avoid non-focussed scans you need two complex damps. Focussed scanners may be rare in pub matches, but they are reasonably common in PC and are very effective due to the team-share they get in PC. The fact that scanners are rotated and that focussed scanners scan everyone, not just scouts, limits their drawbacks. I've played PCs before where my scout's been focus-scanned whenever I've approached an objective. In a PC against competent opponents, a scout will be killed within seconds of being scanned. Using a scout dampened enough to hide from focussed scanners isn't worth it. You'd be better off with an assault. Actually you are wrong about needing two complex, I believe that it is 1 Complex and 1 Enhanced in that case because it gives me 20 db. Rule #1 of Dust 514: If you get hatemail, you are doing something right.
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 2194	Posted - 2016.04.02 00:05:00 - [12] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Using a scout dampened enough to hide from focussed scanners isn't worth it. You'd be better off with an assault. :( I hope that isn't the case in Phoenix. Perhaps having a focussed scanner as a counter to scouts wouldn't be a bad thing if there was a counter to the scanner. For example, if the focussed scanner had shorter range it wouldn't be nearly effective at spotting links or combatting assaults, meaning there's more of a trade-off. Scouts operate by getting in close so short range scanning would still be effective against them. Counter-play could be good in principle. Though there aren't any infantry counters to any other type of infantry. So I don't see why there'd need to be a scout counter. It probably just needlessly complicates things. Maybe the new fps would better leaving it out. I really hope the new game incorporates scanning and stealth mechanics. It's something I've enjoyed about the game since beta and adds a very compelling alternative way of playing.
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 2196	Posted - 2016.04.02 00:11:00 - [13] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Actually you are wrong about needing two complex, I believe that it is 1 Complex and 1 Enhanced in that case because it gives me 20 db. Sorry, you are right, I got that mixed up. But 1 comp + 1 basic should be 21db which is too high.
XxBlazikenxX Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 4707	Posted - 2016.04.02 00:13:00 - [14] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Actually you are wrong about needing two complex, I believe that it is 1 Complex and 1 Enhanced in that case because it gives me 20 db. Sorry, you are right, I got that mixed up. But 1 comp + 1 basic should be 21db which is too high. Thank you for the clarification and for answering my question. Rule #1 of Dust 514: If you get hatemail, you are doing something right.
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 2196	Posted - 2016.04.02 00:17:00 - [15] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Min Scout speed hackers don't get enough credit in PC... Tbh, I always found the Gal scout to be a better speed hacker. The Min scout is highly likely to get scanner and intercepted, whereas the Gal scout with three codebreakers still hacks pretty fast, has a much higher chance of reaching the panel, and is more useful for other things.
Milita Mable CYBER COBRAS ALT 120	Posted - 2016.04.02 02:44:00 - [16] - Quote He asked advice from true scouts not no Galante assault. Gal and Cal scouts only need one Comp Damp to get 20db. Thats all ya need. Min scouts and Amar suck as scouts. Dont bother.
Lightning35 Delta514 Federation Marines 62 4534	Posted - 2016.04.02 02:49:00 - [17] - Quote Milita Mable wrote: He asked advice from true scouts not no Galante assault. Gal and Cal scouts only need one Comp Damp to get 20db. Thats all ya need. Min scouts and Amar suck as scouts. Dont bother. Who is you talking about? CEO of Federation Marines 62 - Bravo Company Gallente Loyalist - Quafe - Gk.0s/Gv.0s - 66m SP
maybe deadcatz Serris Inc 2622	Posted - 2016.04.02 03:06:00 - [18] - Quote I always feel bad for the folks who run gal logi scans in pubs Its even funnier shotgunning them. On my undampened speedtanked amarr scout. And lol pc. Its just an overglorified pub match thats even laggier. Its the same everytime. Scout speeds to points. Drops links on way. Team spawns. Spam bons shotgun min assaults. That one gal logi at the back keeping everyone perma scanned. Lagfest from the exxcessive amount of equipment deployed and the fact that you idiots face corps across the world on your potatonet connection. Depends if youre going to run around in pubs or pc with that minja. KNEEL!,BEFORE THE EMPIRE,KNEEL!
Raven-747 WarRavens Imperium Eden 371	Posted - 2016.04.02 04:00:00 - [19] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: I always feel bad for the folks who run gal logi scans in pubs Its even funnier shotgunning them. On my undampened speedtanked amarr scout. And lol pc. Its just an overglorified pub match thats even laggier. Its the same everytime. Scout speeds to points. Drops links on way. Team spawns. Spam bons shotgun min assaults. That one gal logi at the back keeping everyone perma scanned. Lagfest from the exxcessive amount of equipment deployed and the fact that you idiots face corps across the world on your potatonet connection. Depends if youre going to run around in pubs or pc with that minja. And explosive spam cough taco reference cough. When you headshot a frontline with proto
Jenny Tales Eternal Beings 135	Posted - 2016.04.03 03:25:00 - [20] - Quote To the OP. People are actually stacking precisions on their logis and **** right now. So even on a Gallente scout, 2 isnt enough anymore. However, range is terrible on passives, so you're generally alright with one or two damps, depending on what you're trying to achieve with that fitting. People are so squirrely these days they will see you even if you are invisible to scans. It's largely a matter of luck and skill now. Whatever happened to DS the Drunk Heavy anyway?

XxBlazikenxX Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 4715	Posted - 2016.04.03 03:31:00 - [21] - Quote Jenny Tales wrote: To the OP. People are actually stacking precisions on their logis and **** right now. So even on a Gallente scout, 2 isnt enough anymore. However, range is terrible on passives, so you're generally alright with one or two damps, depending on what you're trying to achieve with that fitting. People are so squirrely these days they will see you even if you are invisible to scans. It's largely a matter of luck and skill now. True. But passive scan is usually very glitchy so I don't worry about it too much. Rule #1 of Dust 514: If you get hatemail, you are doing something right.
Milita Mable CYBER COBRAS ALT 122	Posted - 2016.04.03 04:16:00 - [22] - Quote Real eyes, Realise Real lies.
maybe deadcatz Serris Inc 2627	Posted - 2016.04.04 00:17:00 - [23] - Quote Just run kincats and serpentine. The toaster cant handle the calculations well enough anyway. KNEEL!,BEFORE THE EMPIRE,KNEEL!


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