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XxBlazikenxX
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Posted - 2016.04.01 19:19:00 -
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Is 1 Complex Profile Dampener and 1 Basic Profile Dampener enough to dodge Prototype Gallente Logistics scans from all scanners not including the Duvolle Focuses Scanner if I am using a Minmatar Scout? Or do I need 1 Complex Profile Dampener and 1 Enhanced Profile Dampener to do it?
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XxBlazikenxX
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Posted - 2016.04.01 19:39:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:2 complex gives you 16db which I believe is what a proto logi with a focused scanner can/can't scan.
And by can/can't is that I've seen people mention 16 and 14 but I've never been scanned on my Scotsman which has 2. Although j also use a cloak which gives like 5% more damp bonus.
But TLDR- neither will keep you safe. You will be scanned unless it's 2 proto.
Wait, scout lvl also matters. Have it to proto and just use 2 pro damps to make sure.
All in all though, if running an armor scout, anything more than one damp will severely impact its overall performance. Use a Kincats/rep/plate/damp for gal Wrong, on a Minmatar Scout two Complex Profile Dampeners gives you 18 db, which is not enough to dodge a focused, but enough to dodge any other proto scanner on a gal logi. A third dampener would give you 16 db, which is still not enough to dodge the focuses on a gal logi, meaning that having 3 damps is pointless. Adding to this, there is no reason to use two Complex Profile Dampeners when either 1 Complex Profile Dampener and 1 Enhanced or 1 Complex Dampener and 1 Basic (which is what I'm trying to figure out) does the same job, for less isk, and for less CPU cost.
Also, it is almost pointless to lower your db just to dodge the focused since it is a very rare and very gimped scanner anyway.
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XxBlazikenxX
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Posted - 2016.04.01 19:54:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:2 complex gives you 16db which I believe is what a proto logi with a focused scanner can/can't scan.
And by can/can't is that I've seen people mention 16 and 14 but I've never been scanned on my Scotsman which has 2. Although j also use a cloak which gives like 5% more damp bonus.
But TLDR- neither will keep you safe. You will be scanned unless it's 2 proto.
Wait, scout lvl also matters. Have it to proto and just use 2 pro damps to make sure.
All in all though, if running an armor scout, anything more than one damp will severely impact its overall performance. Use a Kincats/rep/plate/damp for gal Wrong, on a Minmatar Scout two Complex Profile Dampeners gives you 18 db, which is not enough to dodge a focused, but enough to dodge any other proto scanner on a gal logi. A third dampener would give you 16 db, which is still not enough to dodge the focuses on a gal logi, meaning that having 3 damps is pointless. Adding to this, there is no reason to use two Complex Profile Dampeners when either 1 Complex Profile Dampener and 1 Enhanced or 1 Complex Dampener and 1 Basic (which is what I'm trying to figure out) does the same job, for less isk, and for less CPU cost. Also, it is almost pointless to lower your db just to dodge the focused since it is a very rare and very gimped scanner anyway. Edited ^^^ above. Misread. You can dodge focused with 2 pro damps and pro cloak (10% more damp, hence why I've never been scanned in Scotsman/ 16db + cloak bonus, also has a nice 19db passive scan to scan all but double/triple/cloaked scouts) Also, rare focused scans? I feel like pulling out my gallogi with 4 focused scans on purpose now. I call it the all seeing Betty, equipped with 3 complex precision mods. No scout (except super damped) can get me. Lol, the only time I've ever been scanned by a focuses is one time in a Domination, and then the you have been scanned message went away in about 8 seconds and no one on the enemy team even noticed me.
So no, I don't care about focuses scanners because I don't fear them because THEY SUCK.
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XxBlazikenxX
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Posted - 2016.04.01 23:40:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:If you are trying to beat max active scans on a Minja, you need 3 Complex Damps AND an active pro cloak. I'm not trying to beat max active scans, I'm trying to beat max gal logi proto scans excluding the duvolle focused. In other words I want to be just below 21 db.
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XxBlazikenxX
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Posted - 2016.04.01 23:41:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:According to protofits, one complex and one basic profile dampener would give you a profile of 21db (profiles are rounded to 1db in game). This is equal to a Gal logi non-focussed scan meaning you will be scanned.
Therefore to avoid non-focussed scans you need two complex damps.
Focussed scanners may be rare in pub matches, but they are reasonably common in PC and are very effective due to the team-share they get in PC. The fact that scanners are rotated and that focussed scanners scan everyone, not just scouts, limits their drawbacks.
I've played PCs before where my scout's been focus-scanned whenever I've approached an objective. In a PC against competent opponents, a scout will be killed within seconds of being scanned. Using a scout dampened enough to hide from focussed scanners isn't worth it. You'd be better off with an assault. Min Scout speed hackers don't get enough credit in PC...
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XxBlazikenxX
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Posted - 2016.04.01 23:42:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:According to protofits, one complex and one basic profile dampener would give you a profile of 21db (profiles are rounded to 1db in game). This is equal to a Gal logi non-focussed scan meaning you will be scanned.
Therefore to avoid non-focussed scans you need two complex damps.
Focussed scanners may be rare in pub matches, but they are reasonably common in PC and are very effective due to the team-share they get in PC. The fact that scanners are rotated and that focussed scanners scan everyone, not just scouts, limits their drawbacks.
I've played PCs before where my scout's been focus-scanned whenever I've approached an objective. In a PC against competent opponents, a scout will be killed within seconds of being scanned. Using a scout dampened enough to hide from focussed scanners isn't worth it. You'd be better off with an assault. Actually you are wrong about needing two complex, I believe that it is 1 Complex and 1 Enhanced in that case because it gives me 20 db.
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XxBlazikenxX
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Posted - 2016.04.02 00:13:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote: Actually you are wrong about needing two complex, I believe that it is 1 Complex and 1 Enhanced in that case because it gives me 20 db.
Sorry, you are right, I got that mixed up. But 1 comp + 1 basic should be 21db which is too high. Thank you for the clarification and for answering my question.
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XxBlazikenxX
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Posted - 2016.04.03 03:31:00 -
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Jenny Tales wrote:To the OP.
People are actually stacking precisions on their logis and **** right now. So even on a Gallente scout, 2 isnt enough anymore.
However, range is terrible on passives, so you're generally alright with one or two damps, depending on what you're trying to achieve with that fitting.
People are so squirrely these days they will see you even if you are invisible to scans. It's largely a matter of luck and skill now. True. But passive scan is usually very glitchy so I don't worry about it too much.
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