This is why as soon as you reach rank 3, you play competitive.

This is why as soon as you reach rank 3, you play competitive.

Does competitive lack a vote-to-kick function?

In a lobby based game. Vote to kick is a must dispite abuses. Honstely you should just find a pub servers you like and just play on those. Regular playing on the same server let's you learn who regs are and you end up being part of the communty and it ends up way more fun along with no risk of being kicked heh

This. Being butthurt about VTK because of one instance is silly....the disruptive player with music, the racist, the AFK guy are all reasons why its necessary.

Get the hell over it, please.

I feel like vote kick is probably way more benefit than it is harmful.

I will agree tho that putting it at the lowest level of competition is probably not a good idea.


In Dust for example it would be useless and probably very bad in pubs but absolutely amazing in FW where AFK farming, red line sniping, general awoxing, and even reporting stuff back to the enemy team through a channel is not only very possible but can really just make a match no fun in a hurry.

Also

The R8 nerf was completely justified because it was a pocket AWP when it was released and keeping it that way would've completely ruined the match economy of the game. There was a reason it was banned from Pro matches.

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And at higher levels of play people will be more reasonable (kinda) and even tolerate some toxic players because voting that player means playing with a terrible BOT and losing.

Depending on how it's implemented of course.

Honestly I prefer Dust's punishment system.

By the way, apparently CCP Team Security recently banned an ISBoxer (a Russian player by the looks of it) while he was in the middle of a live stream. Take a look and enjoy.

http://giantsecurecontainer.de/breaking-news-isboxer-getting-banned-live/

Like I said, real Humans are behind CCP's ban hammer.

We are a very fickle bunch of players, aren't we? How many posts have been written about those "god damn AFK Farmers ruining my matches" and if people could vote to kick them it would be SO much better? Now the realization that it can be abused and suddenly it is "yeah, totally; no vote to kick option." Not stating that one is better than the other, as they are both edge case scenarios, but it is funny to see that switch.

But now I will get into my own opinion:
It is the necessary evil of having a necessary system. To use a political example, it is like how voter ID laws tend to do more harm than good in restricting people's vote in an attempt stop nearly non-existent voter impersonation. Yes, it does suck to have some jackass state "that guy is totally cheating!" in order to get you kicked from the server but how about not being able to do diddly against that jackass who is actually cheating?

People here can say "well, not at the lower level of competition" but honestly that is something I cannot agree with. IF Not-Legion is going to be lobby based, like DUST is, then I feel it needs to be implemented at all levels in at least some fashion. If it isn't at the lower levels, it basically doesn't exist for most people that would play the game. "I can only play FW because public matches are littered with people AFK farming." Add in the fact that computers have the capability of running multiple instances of the game (multi-boxing) and you can literally have 5 teammates sitting in base AFK farming and have it only amount to a single guy.

That isn't even going with some of the more obnoxious things possible with full blown hacks. So, as obnoxious as it is to be kicked for something that should not be kick worthy, the risk of abuse is less significant than not being able to kick people when needed.

Also, the notion of someone running a script to constantly change their name is not going to happen in Not-Legion so what happened to you will not be possible.

As for the banning of someone using ISBoxer I would hardly say that proves human intervention. ISBoxer was around for years so them being able to make a script to recognize it, specially when all of the accounts are logged in from the same IP, should be child's play. If it was humans attempting to keep up with people Eve would be the wild west. How many humans do you think it would take to monitor the activities of 20 - 30 thousand accounts all acting independently?

Not much apparently. Like I said, they use a behavior tracking method build into the server along with the Eve client literally scanning itself to see if any data has been manipulated. Red flags are then sent to CCP's Team Security to analyze before passing judgment. From the looks of the Fanfest Keynotes that they often have, they make it look easy.

That and an occasional Eve player reporting a Russian player who is clearly ISBoxing on a live stream helps as well.

Leaving it up to humans in the end would be the waste of a good script.

Sure they have humans review people that have been reported by other players but if you have already been caught by an automated system that is worth half a crap then there is zero reason for a person to be involved.

That is why you do not get banned from the ticket system so that you are free to dispute any actions whether initiated by a script or by a person.

I think they leave it up to the scripts entirely for some cases such as when RMT players have been detected. RMT sellers get a permaban on the first offense by the system if I remember correctly. No human interaction involved.

RMT is a crazy area and actually one of the areas I feel like they do have to depend on a lot of human presence. I have seen poor newbies get perma banned because they accepted the wrong contract in local and got flagged for RMT.

Thats just an entirely different area than illegal scripting and attempted client side mods.


No matter what security is the one and only area that I actually have respect for CCP in.

Yeah they do pull off some weird black magic **** over there when it comes to combating RMT. I often wonder if they hired Gandalf to cast off the Orcs.

This. Being butthurt about VTK because of one instance is silly....the disruptive player with music, the racist, the AFK guy are all reasons why its necessary.

Get the hell over it, please.

I think first and foremost they have a small budget for actually buying ISK from the RMT websites. I don't see any better first line of defense than having paid ISK sent to their own accounts so that they can ban people.

Going into the insane hiding of transfers in different ways just blows my mind. People do it through fake attacks with expensive cargo and staged ganks and everything just to try to keep that cash flow going which to me seems like far more work than it was worth when you can just grab a plex and you have about 1.2 billion isk guaranteed.