This is why as soon as you reach rank 3, you play competitive.

This. Being butthurt about VTK because of one instance is silly....the disruptive player with music, the racist, the AFK guy are all reasons why its necessary.

Get the hell over it, please.

I feel like vote kick is probably way more benefit than it is harmful.

I will agree tho that putting it at the lowest level of competition is probably not a good idea.


In Dust for example it would be useless and probably very bad in pubs but absolutely amazing in FW where AFK farming, red line sniping, general awoxing, and even reporting stuff back to the enemy team through a channel is not only very possible but can really just make a match no fun in a hurry.

We are a very fickle bunch of players, aren't we? How many posts have been written about those "god damn AFK Farmers ruining my matches" and if people could vote to kick them it would be SO much better? Now the realization that it can be abused and suddenly it is "yeah, totally; no vote to kick option." Not stating that one is better than the other, as they are both edge case scenarios, but it is funny to see that switch.

But now I will get into my own opinion:
It is the necessary evil of having a necessary system. To use a political example, it is like how voter ID laws tend to do more harm than good in restricting people's vote in an attempt stop nearly non-existent voter impersonation. Yes, it does suck to have some jackass state "that guy is totally cheating!" in order to get you kicked from the server but how about not being able to do diddly against that jackass who is actually cheating?

People here can say "well, not at the lower level of competition" but honestly that is something I cannot agree with. IF Not-Legion is going to be lobby based, like DUST is, then I feel it needs to be implemented at all levels in at least some fashion. If it isn't at the lower levels, it basically doesn't exist for most people that would play the game. "I can only play FW because public matches are littered with people AFK farming." Add in the fact that computers have the capability of running multiple instances of the game (multi-boxing) and you can literally have 5 teammates sitting in base AFK farming and have it only amount to a single guy.

That isn't even going with some of the more obnoxious things possible with full blown hacks. So, as obnoxious as it is to be kicked for something that should not be kick worthy, the risk of abuse is less significant than not being able to kick people when needed.

Also, the notion of someone running a script to constantly change their name is not going to happen in Not-Legion so what happened to you will not be possible.

As for the banning of someone using ISBoxer I would hardly say that proves human intervention. ISBoxer was around for years so them being able to make a script to recognize it, specially when all of the accounts are logged in from the same IP, should be child's play. If it was humans attempting to keep up with people Eve would be the wild west. How many humans do you think it would take to monitor the activities of 20 - 30 thousand accounts all acting independently?

Leaving it up to humans in the end would be the waste of a good script.

Sure they have humans review people that have been reported by other players but if you have already been caught by an automated system that is worth half a crap then there is zero reason for a person to be involved.

That is why you do not get banned from the ticket system so that you are free to dispute any actions whether initiated by a script or by a person.

RMT is a crazy area and actually one of the areas I feel like they do have to depend on a lot of human presence. I have seen poor newbies get perma banned because they accepted the wrong contract in local and got flagged for RMT.

Thats just an entirely different area than illegal scripting and attempted client side mods.


No matter what security is the one and only area that I actually have respect for CCP in.

Boo hoo.

MGO had it years ago, so did MAG and even if it did get abused by both sides it was still useful to have.

Since you are a newbie to CSGO, you probably dont have a ton of insight on how to voting system works. (I used to be a semi pro player btw). Players ARE temp banned for kicking too much. Lemme explain.

Player A is repeatedly kicking people off his team. After 'x' amount of kicks, he gets temp banned. (Let's say x = 10, that sounds about right). The system automatically bans him for 'y' amount of time. The system will temp ban you for many reason, but typically its either because
A) You kicked too many players recently or
B) You did too much friendly fire to your teammates (Just like we have in FW).
C) You 'abandoned' the game (AKA you are getting your ass kicked and you LEAVE the match because you refused to harden the f**k up and git gud)
D) You committed suicide too many times (Who wants to have a guy throwing going 0/45??)


The rules are as follows: every cooldown increases the offense level by one level and after cooldown expires and a clean week goes by the offense level goes down by one level. First level offenders receive a 30 min cooldown, second level = 2 hr, third level = 24 hr, fourth and higher levels = 7 days. The confusion might arise for extreme abusers of the system whose offense level went beyond level 4 now.

Here's an example: A player reaches offense level 4 and gets their first 7 day cooldown on Jan 1, it expires on Jan 8 -- this means player can play, but their offense level stays at 4 for the duration of one more week. If player commits a competitive offense on Jan 8 then offense level is increased to level 5 and player is penalized with another 7 day cooldown. That cooldown expires on Jan 15 -- again, this means that player can play, but their offense level stays at level 5 for the duration of one more week. So, after the clean week goes by on Jan 22 the offense level goes down by one level to level 4. Committing a competitive offense on Jan 22 will increase it again to level 5 and assign a 7 day cooldown according to the rules listed above.

Essentially if you got your second or third 7 day cooldown in a row this means you need to have two or three clean weeks after it expires before it goes down to offense level 3 which is penalized with a 2 hr cooldown.

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This is probably confusing as all hell to you, but I can explain further if you wish (Just let me know). This system could easily be implemented into NotLegion with some minor changes (such as the ability for your team to forgive you vs insta punish like CSGO has).

I personally do not know enough about NotLegion yet to make any comment on this. And I'm gonna be sp0ending the next week or so having fun (spring break) and not researching stuff. Feel free to add me on steam (we can talk on there and perhaps play sometime) My Steam Profile (click there and add me if you wish)

Winning the match has to matter (in a videogame sense) for the Vote-to-kick system to truly work.

In Rainbow Six Seige / CS:GO you have to think about if the VTK is worth losing a player. If the player is team killing or purposely doing things that hurt the team's performance then a VTK may be legit.

Yes, there are trolly instances (:Trollface: D4GG3R) but overall it's great when people are actually trying to win