What's the point of creating a new game if everybody already finished it before its release ?

That is exactly why I feel like the triple stacked boosters and the new skill cap was the "transfer killer".

ISK sinks can be created and officer weapons get destroyed in battle but thousands of players having enough SP to max out any skill tree on day 1 just means no booster sales, messed up balancing, and many other issues.

What's the point of creating a new game if everybody already finished it before its release ?

We all know that with Legion they intended for us to be able to transfer basically every thing to just continue our progress.

In this new iteration it is clear that we will not be carrying anything over.


What do you think was the biggest factor in the last 2 years that caused this shift in direction?

Amazing stockpiles of ISK?

Huge SP from triple stacked boosters and for people with a life no SP cap in sight?

Officer gear being basically as abundant as ADV gear?

Something else from the huge list of things I am missing?


Basically the real question I suppose is what do you think was done over the last 2 years in an attempt to save Dust that they ultimately drew the line and said no way we can bring this over to the new game.

I felt a drop in transfer ability coming as soon as we got triple stacked boosters. The warbarge also felt like something that could never be transferred just because attempting to balance weapons in a new game with those kind of bonuses going on seems impossible.

We all know that with Legion they intended for us to be able to transfer basically every thing to just continue our progress.

In this new iteration it is clear that we will not be carrying anything over.

Do you really know that though?



Again, assumptions are dangerous things.

So rather than guess about things you're not sure about, how about speculate about the "Tiered Rewards" Frame has already mentioned.

I apologize if this comes off as offensive, as I don't mean it that way. Rather I want to avoid spreading rumors and instead focus on the things we know.

Kinda sounds like you already made up your mind about what Phoenix will be like OP, in which case why ask a question in the first place?

Also, lol @ positive comments about CCP = derail...

The question is simple.

What change along the way in keeping cash flow going in Dust did we reach a point that full transfers were pretty much out of the question?

I will admit calling it a derail was going a bit far but lets be honest CCP has gotten enough blind positivity in the past. I can not think of the last vague statement made by CCP that ended well.

Hmmm... strange. I never saw an endgame with Dust.

I'm gonna say again that you've already made up your mind because you've loaded your question with 'in keeping cash flow going'.

Why not just: What changes did Dust receive that caused it to reach a point in which full transfers were pretty much out of the question?

Only a total idiot would look at keeping your own stuff as a "reward". I know CCP is bad with press releases but not that bad. My bet is some piece of crap skin with a big ole copy of your Dust loyalty rank on it so we can measure who among us in the new game is the biggest idiot.

Sure they could give in and transfer some stuff but why on earth would they do that. This would only result in lost money for them and if nothing else CCP has shown that they will go to the ends of the earth to make sure there is no money left on the table.

I don't consider myself to be a racist and I know it might be considered racial profiling. But it's all the beaners fault.

It's getting to the point if they look mexican and smell mexican ...I cant ask for legal documents. Becuz illegals have rights.

Jajajajajaja jajajajaj jajajajaj jajajajaj jajajajaj jajajajaj. GTFO here

As a fellow Hispanic, I have to ask "who uses the word 'beaner' these days to talk about us?" Whatever happened to calling us 'wetbacks'? It's like you guys are losing your touch with us.

They don't make racists like they use to anymore.

More commonly than not I 100% agree with you on assumptions but the simple fact is most of us don't have a direct line to the decision makers

Thanks for trying to derail the thread into more CCP POSITIVITY. I know its not your fault, you know more than we do and can not talk about it, and you have an agreement with CCP to help them out so it is what it is.

But you do! Community-CPM-CCP. There really is a line, which is why I'm glad you're sharing your opinion, even if I don't agree with all of it.

That line is so incredibly one way that there is no description for it.

CCP discovering that they could force everyone to hide behind NDA and deliver complete silence was a very bad day in history.

But it works. If it never worked, CCP Rattati would never have been able to implement the changes most of us have requested for a very long time. The only problem now is that not all of those changes made it before the Dust 404 announcement.

PS: I think this topic got sidetracked once again. Let's go back to talking about what we won't likely see transferred and why.

We all know that with Legion they intended for us to be able to transfer basically every thing to just continue our progress.

In this new iteration it is clear that we will not be carrying anything over.


What do you think was the biggest factor in the last 2 years that caused this shift in direction?

Amazing stockpiles of ISK?

Huge SP from triple stacked boosters and for people with a life no SP cap in sight?

Officer gear being basically as abundant as ADV gear?

Something else from the huge list of things I am missing?


Basically the real question I suppose is what do you think was done over the last 2 years in an attempt to save Dust that they ultimately drew the line and said no way we can bring this over to the new game.

I felt a drop in transfer ability coming as soon as we got triple stacked boosters. The warbarge also felt like something that could never be transferred just because attempting to balance weapons in a new game with those kind of bonuses going on seems impossible.

From OPs posts, I'm pretty sure he was just trying to bait out some responses that talked about changes in Dust that encouraged the vets to spend money on Aurum at the detriment of the long term health of the game, in turn supporting an argument of 'CCP milked the playerbase like fools'. OP, sorry if I'm wrong but it really looks that way atm.

What's the point of creating a new game if everybody already finished it before its release ?

Hmmm... strange. I never saw an endgame with Dust.

As transfered to the PC, in the EvE Universe, the "finished game" would only be the start. Once it's on the PC, you will see much more content, and hopefully, if integrated fully into EvE, a far greater scope than it currently has as a lobby FPS.

Even though CCP Frame did not say that transfers would happen he did not say they would not happen either. He did hint at rewards for the loyal Dust players who stuck until the end, but what those rewards might not be what most people normally think.

It's possible that CCP might include the ability the transfer certain assets based on tier from Dust to the new game with limitations of course. They do have our database stored in the Eve Online server known as Tranquility which will surly continue long after Dust shuts down. It's just a matter of determining which assets are worth transferring over.

But I will agree with you that certain things that happened in the past might not allow that to happen anyways. The massive influx of ISK into the Dust economy without sufficient sinks to balance it destroyed any stability we had in the fledgling market and ultimate lead to proto stomps in pub matches. The influx of ISK came from either people locking districts in Planetary Conquest 1.0 or just too many BPOs running around which made it too easy to save up ISK that was generated into the economy. Ultimately, the economy was destroyed by a combination of CCP's initial implementation of the market and our overall greed as players without any checks or balances to protect the economy.

The way the BPOs were introduced placed CCP in an awkward position when it came to deciding whether or not to merge the Dust economy with the Eve economy. Obviously they never decided on that and I can see the BPOs in their current state as the culprit. If BPOs were built differently and possibly closer to Eve Online's BPOs, we might have had a different story.

Supposedly, according to CCP's early calculations, to be able to accumulate all of the SP needed to max out every skill book in Dust would require 7 years to accomplish. 3 years into the game and already we are hearing of supervets who have well over 200 million lifetime SP and that is close to the end of progression which is 264,592,920 SP. A 7-year progression plan was undone in just over 3 years. Of course, multiple SP events and extensive Omega Booster sales had a hand in that which I think CCP failed to account for early on.

Honestly because of this, I don't see much of anything carrying over to the new game other than our names and maybe any remaining AUR that wasn't already acquired through daily logins and CCP-hosted events.

No real endgame but most of us already unlocked or played with 95%+ of the game content. Grinding is part of the game and I see no more entertaining things to grind for anymore.

The Legion stuff was made more than clear they wanted to transfer as much as possible from our Dust characters which was restated countless number of times because leaving that out of the FF announcement was part of what made it such a blunder. CPM, Rouge, Frame, and everyone else involved were sent rushing to the live streams and to the forums in an attempt to spread that data.

But you do! Community-CPM-CCP. There really is a line, which is why I'm glad you're sharing your opinion, even if I don't agree with all of it.

Hopefully in the future the line will look more like Everyone-CCP, but until then, believe that the line we have works.

I think it's a given that because this is going to a new platform, there will be some things that simply can't transfer across for some reason. Because of that, CCP can't say they are going to do a transfer, because there are those who will expect everything to transfer across.

So they're telling us there will be some sort of tiered recognition, so we're not expecting too much. But that doesn't mean they can't transfer most if not exactly all across. You mentioned BPOs. They are one aspect that simply won't transfer over at least as they are. BPOs exist in EvE of course, but are used completely differently, not as they are but used to manufacture modules for use by players. They are also a lot more complicated, to allow for the manufacture of the resultant modules, all of which is not currently part of the Dust BPOs. So a lot will have to change, but a lot can stay the same too.

We all know that with Legion they intended for us to be able to transfer basically every thing to just continue our progress.

In this new iteration it is clear that we will not be carrying anything over.


What do you think was the biggest factor in the last 2 years that caused this shift in direction?

Amazing stockpiles of ISK?

Huge SP from triple stacked boosters and for people with a life no SP cap in sight?

Officer gear being basically as abundant as ADV gear?

Something else from the huge list of things I am missing?


Basically the real question I suppose is what do you think was done over the last 2 years in an attempt to save Dust that they ultimately drew the line and said no way we can bring this over to the new game.

I felt a drop in transfer ability coming as soon as we got triple stacked boosters. The warbarge also felt like something that could never be transferred just because attempting to balance weapons in a new game with those kind of bonuses going on seems impossible.