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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Posted - 2016.02.13 04:42:00 -
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We all know that with Legion they intended for us to be able to transfer basically every thing to just continue our progress.
In this new iteration it is clear that we will not be carrying anything over.
What do you think was the biggest factor in the last 2 years that caused this shift in direction?
Amazing stockpiles of ISK?
Huge SP from triple stacked boosters and for people with a life no SP cap in sight?
Officer gear being basically as abundant as ADV gear?
Something else from the huge list of things I am missing?
Basically the real question I suppose is what do you think was done over the last 2 years in an attempt to save Dust that they ultimately drew the line and said no way we can bring this over to the new game.
I felt a drop in transfer ability coming as soon as we got triple stacked boosters. The warbarge also felt like something that could never be transferred just because attempting to balance weapons in a new game with those kind of bonuses going on seems impossible. |
LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Posted - 2016.02.13 04:59:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:What's the point of creating a new game if everybody already finished it before its release ?
That is exactly why I feel like the triple stacked boosters and the new skill cap was the "transfer killer".
ISK sinks can be created and officer weapons get destroyed in battle but thousands of players having enough SP to max out any skill tree on day 1 just means no booster sales, messed up balancing, and many other issues. |
LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Posted - 2016.02.13 08:39:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:We all know that with Legion they intended for us to be able to transfer basically every thing to just continue our progress. Do you really know that though? LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:In this new iteration it is clear that we will not be carrying anything over. Again, assumptions are dangerous things. So rather than guess about things you're not sure about, how about speculate about the "Tiered Rewards" Frame has already mentioned. I apologize if this comes off as offensive, as I don't mean it that way. Rather I want to avoid spreading rumors and instead focus on the things we know. 
The Legion stuff was made more than clear they wanted to transfer as much as possible from our Dust characters which was restated countless number of times because leaving that out of the FF announcement was part of what made it such a blunder. CPM, Rouge, Frame, and everyone else involved were sent rushing to the live streams and to the forums in an attempt to spread that data.
Only a total idiot would look at keeping your own stuff as a "reward". I know CCP is bad with press releases but not that bad. My bet is some piece of crap skin with a big ole copy of your Dust loyalty rank on it so we can measure who among us in the new game is the biggest idiot.
Sure they could give in and transfer some stuff but why on earth would they do that. This would only result in lost money for them and if nothing else CCP has shown that they will go to the ends of the earth to make sure there is no money left on the table.
More commonly than not I 100% agree with you on assumptions but the simple fact is most of us don't have a direct line to the decision makers and are left doing nothing but attempting to piece together the little tiny bread crumbs they attempt to give us while being as vague as possible to cover their own arse. If they do not like the fact that I have already assumed the new game as vaporware, assumed that IF it makes it to see the light of day Dust players will get zero respect from CCP, and assumed the fact that they are laughing into the sunset with a good deal of money from a horribly failed game as they make trailers to keep anyone from filing a charge back well then tough spit.
My assumptions are based on given information which includes but is not limited to CCP track record of failures, their complete lack of respect for Dust players from day 1 and 10 times worse after FF 14 up to the point where even Rattati, one of the few seeming good guys even said screw talking to them.
Oh and excuse me for trying to take a look at where the real death of the game we all loved so much really began. The mechanic which made a port impossible is the point where we were all wasting our breath hoping for something that was never going to happen so I was simply looking for what point everyone thought that was.
Thanks for trying to derail the thread into more CCP POSITIVITY. I know its not your fault, you know more than we do and can not talk about it, and you have an agreement with CCP to help them out so it is what it is.
Hopefully some of us we know actual details SOONGäóer rather than later. My money still says the fanfest "details" are nothing more than a classic CCP trailer. If they can not even show a solid game plan in order for not screwing up yet another game then that fanfest stream will be the last I ever see of CCP and I will be more than happy to share my negativity with every gamer I run into who is even considering a CCP product.
Just a little disclaimer:
I am not raging because of money spent or anything else. I am raging because obviously the only lesson they learned from their last botched announcement was how to botch it even worse. In both instances now we have been led on with ultimately false promises and proof that CCP is absolutely 100% disconnected from their players with no desire to actually connect in any manner other than to put the dyson hose as deep into the wallet as possible. |
LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Posted - 2016.02.13 10:28:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Kinda sounds like you already made up your mind about what Phoenix will be like OP, in which case why ask a question in the first place?
Also, lol @ positive comments about CCP = derail...
The question is simple.
What change along the way in keeping cash flow going in Dust did we reach a point that full transfers were pretty much out of the question?
I will admit calling it a derail was going a bit far but lets be honest CCP has gotten enough blind positivity in the past. I can not think of the last vague statement made by CCP that ended well. |
LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Posted - 2016.02.13 12:11:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:Kinda sounds like you already made up your mind about what Phoenix will be like OP, in which case why ask a question in the first place?
Also, lol @ positive comments about CCP = derail... The question is simple. What change along the way in keeping cash flow going in Dust did we reach a point that full transfers were pretty much out of the question? I will admit calling it a derail was going a bit far but lets be honest CCP has gotten enough blind positivity in the past. I can not think of the last vague statement made by CCP that ended well. I'm gonna say again that you've already made up your mind because you've loaded your question with 'in keeping cash flow going'. Why not just: What changes did Dust receive that caused it to reach a point in which full transfers were pretty much out of the question?
Interpret it how you like.
The fact is CCP went from one end to the spectrum to the other pre and post FF14.
Before FF14 every decision was based on how dos that affect the future mechanics. This was a big part of why Dust moved at such a sluggish rate. Every idea broke a potential future idea and the devils advocate always won out.
After FF14 this thinking was obviously thrown out the window with things that would never have been implemented before put in just to keep cash flow going to keep the game alive.
I am actually not knocking this shift in mindset as it is what kept Dust going for 2 years after we all thought it was done. Had more of that mindset been applied from the start we would likely be having an incredibly different conversation.
Now that we have argued the semantics of my sentence structuring would you like to say when you think the balance tipped out of favor for the long term future of the game? |
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Posted - 2016.02.13 19:04:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:More commonly than not I 100% agree with you on assumptions but the simple fact is most of us don't have a direct line to the decision makers But you do! Community-CPM-CCP. There really is a line, which is why I'm glad you're sharing your opinion, even if I don't agree with all of it.
That line is so incredibly one way that there is no description for it.
CCP discovering that they could force everyone to hide behind NDA and deliver complete silence was a very bad day in history.
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Posted - 2016.02.14 10:32:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:
From OPs posts, I'm pretty sure he was just trying to bait out some responses that talked about changes in Dust that encouraged the vets to spend money on Aurum at the detriment of the long term health of the game, in turn supporting an argument of 'CCP milked the playerbase like fools'. OP, sorry if I'm wrong but it really looks that way atm.
You are right and wrong. Yes they made changes that I feel like killed off any possible future because they shifted their mindset a bit too far in one direction but I really would not go as far as to say 'milked the player base like fools'.
I am simply trying to look at the history and figure out where everyone thinks that big shift in mindset happens.
This is important not to try to point fingers at anyone as it was necessary to keep the game alive as long as it did but to be able to watch for those kind of shifts in the future.
GÇÿThose who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.GÇÖ -- George Santayana
We have a unique opportunity to see where CCP said okay fine we are just going to drop our mindset of the past and keep the game alive as long as possible.
I still contend that triple stack boosters was that point. For so long we were incredibly limited on our ability to earn SP to give the game longevity, limit P2W, and to keep simple exploits from turning into a real mess.
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Posted - 2016.02.14 10:41:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:What's the point of creating a new game if everybody already finished it before its release ? As transfered to the PC, in the EvE Universe, the "finished game" would only be the start. Once it's on the PC, you will see much more content, and hopefully, if integrated fully into EvE, a far greater scope than it currently has as a lobby FPS.
I don't think any one would argue with that.
My thinking personally is that attempting to balance around our 100 million + SP, billions of ISK, and huge stockpiles of items will only start the "new game" out on a horrible footing to start from.
It is the lack of transfers that makes me crazy unlikely to be in the new game. I understand that CCP has to do what is best for them so it is what it is. I am with holding total judgement until fanfest but I will say that I have a pretty negative outlook in regards to that announcement. |
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