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ID G4f Capital Acquisitions LLC 135	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:11:00 - [1] - Quote This thread is not a debate on whether you think it is a good idea, just a head count of people like me who joined dust to not have to start over again. If you biomass us, i will not be returning to start over. As it will just keep happening. The continuous nature of the universe is what brought me here & will be the only thing that will tear me away. If anyone else will not be returning without their character's x up & be heard. Even if it doesn't mean anything. 110mil sp and counting Playing since 2013-03-12 06:21 Bernie sanders for president! Finally a president of the people
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:13:00 - [2] - Quote ID G4f wrote: This thread is not a debate on whether you think it is a good idea, just a head count of people like me who joined dust to not have to start over again. If you biomass us, i will not be returning to start over. As it will just keep happening. The continuous nature of the universe is what brought me here & will be the only thing that will tear me away. If anyone else will not be returning without their character's x up & be heard. Even if it doesn't mean anything. We're pretty much guaranteed to keep our characters. How much of our progression goes with us, if any, is still up in the air. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Murder Medic Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 451	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:14:00 - [3] - Quote So long as I can keep my name I'm good. Though it would be kind of nice to have AUR purchases refunded in the form of AUR equivilant currency in the new game. That way your purchases aren't a complete waste. That said I don't mind starting over so long as everyone else is too. Farewell DUST
ID G4f Capital Acquisitions LLC 138	Posted - 2016.02.03 19:19:00 - [4] - Quote Sure, but make eve start over too, lol... That's what I thought 110mil sp and counting Playing since 2013-03-12 06:21 Bernie sanders for president! Finally a president of the people
Viktor Hadah Jr 0uter.Heaven 9	Posted - 2016.02.03 19:23:00 - [5] - Quote I would like to keep my name and maybe some other stuff bought with AUR, event items and such. SP and ISK should be completely cleared and not transferred. I stop playing video games, I don't "retire" Buying dead and inactive corporations
LOL KILLZ LulKlz 617	Posted - 2016.02.03 19:34:00 - [6] - Quote x HMG is my first love SR my Sancha
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 484	Posted - 2016.02.03 19:38:00 - [7] - Quote Bye kids. Time for a reset. Game is over, its unhealthy and transferring anything just transfers the disease.
Al the destroyer 0.P. 1	Posted - 2016.02.03 19:38:00 - [8] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I would like to keep my name and maybe some other stuff bought with AUR, event items and such. SP and ISK should be completely cleared and not transferred. I don't always agree with you but I do on this SP and ISK should not transfer +1
Maxor haxor Horizons' Edge 57	Posted - 2016.02.03 19:55:00 - [9] - Quote The announcement says tiered rewards and sh!t. Ptobaly means they'll remember your characters logins and loyalty ranks and probaly give you something nice for it. The more people I hear going "I spent x amount of $,I want to keep all isk and sp I'll never use" the more I laugh. Just spend it again,not that hard. It is I! Maybe deadcatz!
Crimson Moon V Ancient Exiles. 625	Posted - 2016.02.03 20:16:00 - [10] - Quote Erase the isk and we all go back to 0. It'll create total chaos. It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything. You're not your corp. You're not how much isk you have in your corp wallet. You're not the tank you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your ******* proto suit. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the new eden. Reset it all back to 0. It's the only way. Let how you play speak for you, not what you say.-Naberuis_x Winning is teaching, losing is learning.-Mavado V

postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy 2	Posted - 2016.02.03 20:20:00 - [11] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: ID G4f wrote: This thread is not a debate on whether you think it is a good idea, just a head count of people like me who joined dust to not have to start over again. If you biomass us, i will not be returning to start over. As it will just keep happening. The continuous nature of the universe is what brought me here & will be the only thing that will tear me away. If anyone else will not be returning without their character's x up & be heard. Even if it doesn't mean anything. We're pretty much guaranteed to keep our characters. How much of our progression goes with us, if any, is still up in the air. Where, dust is dead. When servers will go off, characters will go too. ERGO No characters, no iskies, no aur, just nothing ;) *"Im the original Boii"*
ID G4f Capital Acquisitions LLC 138	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:21:00 - [12] - Quote Again, this thread is not a debate, it is a protest for those of us who want the one thing we came to dust for, a universe that doesn't end. If I wanted to start over every iteration I would play battlefield or call of duty. The players who want to start over just want to be on top of the new pecking order when they sign up day 1. It is not like everyone will stay equal, the nature of sp & isk means these players will start with a lead on those who do not have a gaming pc yet. Give us the same respect you give eve characters and let us live on the new game, no biomass. If you do not agree go rant elsewhere this thread is for those who do not want their character to die & are planning to walk away from ccp if our character's do die. 110mil sp and counting Playing since 2013-03-12 06:21 Bernie sanders for president! Finally a president of the people
Living Rock 523 Intara Direct Action Caldari State 40	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:26:00 - [13] - Quote I understand you do not want a debate, and I can respect that. So I will say I do not agree, petition not signed.
ID G4f Capital Acquisitions LLC 138	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:33:00 - [14] - Quote Of course new players with nothing to lose want a reset, same with vets who burned all their possessions a long time ago. This is for those who have put in alot expecting it to matter, he'll if anyone bought warbarge mobile factory level 5 it would take a year & a half to make up the components it cost! More for levels 6-8 it was a huge ripoff If it is not transferred over. Please respect the players who kept faith in you! Not the ones who gave up on you years ago! 110mil sp and counting Playing since 2013-03-12 06:21 Bernie sanders for president! Finally a president of the people
Living Rock 523 Intara Direct Action Caldari State 41	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:47:00 - [15] - Quote Lmao I played since May 2013, deleted my main, have 1 alt at 20 mil SP and 13 alts at 15 mil SP. Haven't gone more than a few days without checking the forums since I started, even without playing. Not starting fresh is foolish and greedy, and if you care about the future of a game that will be neither Dust nor Legion, you wI'll let it start fresh. If CCP chooses otherwise, so be it. But as you said, this is not a debate, so my feelings remain the same. Petition not signed.
bertoae86 Wolf Pack Special Forces Shadow of Dust 11	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:49:00 - [16] - Quote Let us transfer our bpo's into the next game that would great recognition for the "founders" the original dust 514 soldiers.
deadpool lifetone 114	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:58:00 - [17] - Quote ID G4f wrote: This thread is not a debate on whether you think it is a good idea, just a head count of people like me who joined dust to not have to start over again. If you biomass us, i will not be returning to start over. As it will just keep happening. The continuous nature of the universe is what brought me here & will be the only thing that will tear me away. If anyone else will not be returning without their character's x up & be heard. Even if it doesn't mean anything. . Character will be kept from what I've heard from CCP . Progress will be at a certain tier . to be honest I have over 100mil S.P and I stopped spec-ing into thing's like 20million ago . ( F U!!!! ) * ( Why Dead? ) , (n+Æn+Çn+¢´)GÇón++pâçGòÉS+ÇX - - - - n++(º Gûí º l\|l)/
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 1	Posted - 2016.02.04 17:02:00 - [18] - Quote My name, that's basically it. No, wait a minute... I DO love my Templar suites... Please CCP? And the Caldari Peacekeeper LP SKIN... I grinded sooo hard for that one...
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 174	Posted - 2016.02.04 17:06:00 - [19] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I would like to keep my name and maybe some other stuff bought with AUR, event items and such. SP and ISK should be completely cleared and not transferred. I don't always agree with you but I do on this SP and ISK should not transfer +1 as long as there are meta locks on the pubs for the new peeps I can care less what does get moved It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 6	Posted - 2016.02.04 17:07:00 - [20] - Quote I still have 114k aur left..all quafe, 3 apex and 1 Amarr FW skin..all of that will be lost..awesome

Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 777	Posted - 2016.02.04 17:53:00 - [21] - Quote Im not here to start ** but the ones clamoring for for complete resets either didnt have in the first place or will get hand outs from Eve that 'll put them right back in the money in the new game, lol if theres even going to be one. Any pre exsisting Dust corp in an Eve alliance or with alts will get handouts. The have and have nots already exsist based on networkingh and pre exsisting allegiances with pre exsisting Eve corps. Stripping console PS3 Dust earned ISk will not balance the have and have nots from EVE and be some great equalizer. To think so is naieve. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute** Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1	Posted - 2016.02.04 18:12:00 - [22] - Quote I want something for my real money transfers; especially since I made several suit purchases less than four months ago. We should of had a year between this announcement and a shut down. They better have more than another "This is what we want to do" and scribbles on notebook paper at this year's Fanfest after two years since Rouge Wedding and a server shut down. CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
Mejt0 Made in Poland... Devil's Descendants 2	Posted - 2016.02.04 18:28:00 - [23] - Quote Small or any bonuses based on your loyalty rank. Your name in different color. Unique look for your character, anything, just different than anything you could get. These are the first things that come to my mind. Vigilant Pilot Happy Hunting
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 777	Posted - 2016.02.04 18:38:00 - [24] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: I still have 114k aur left..all quafe, 3 apex and 1 Amarr FW skin..all of that will be lost..awesome You're assuming were going to loose it already, Eve online has T1 bpo's. Were not going to loose our stuff. All the shite our charecters own is easily saved as text files on the server its currently on because the the server that saves that info is not the game server its basic function is an Archive for all the players the play Eve online. its exsisted for along time. The same server will keep track of you haveing 3 m3 of Veldspar on some far flung staion on a toon you havent had subbed for a year. Dont let these nubs tell you any different and if CCP officially tells you or us that they cant it simply because they'll want us to do it again..... So will you ? I wouldn't so I dont think they;ll make that move. After all we spent money those are the people you want as a company to stay around doing anything to the contrary is poor decision making and finacial suicide. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Living Rock 523 Intara Direct Action Caldari State 41	Posted - 2016.02.04 18:39:00 - [25] - Quote Evicer wrote: Im not here to start ** but the ones clamoring for for complete resets either didnt have ** in the first place or will get hand outs from Eve that 'll put them right back in the money in the new game, lol if theres even going to be one. Any pre exsisting Dust corp in an Eve alliance or with alts will get handouts. The have and have nots already exsist based on networkingh and pre exsisting allegiances with pre exsisting Eve corps. Stripping console PS3 Dust earned ISk will not balance the have and have nots from EVE and be some great equalizer. To think so is naieve. No, a complete reset won't balance a new game. Transferring ISK and SP will also not balance a new game. I also highly doubt CCP would say complete reset then turn around and give "hand outs". But who knows. And these events are exactly why I said CCP should have come out right off the bat and specified what would be given to any vets, not a vague tiered reward system. Keep expectations extremely low, and be clear and frank about what will be given. Then, if more can be given, it will only be positive. As opposed to letting speculation and conspiracy fester, creating a negative situation when the truth finally does come out.
bertoae86 Wolf Pack Special Forces Shadow of Dust 14	Posted - 2016.02.04 20:04:00 - [26] - Quote If they were going to allow us to transfer to project legion...... "Then why not on the next gen".
DEATH DEALER 1975 KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 34	Posted - 2016.02.04 21:28:00 - [27] - Quote ID G4f wrote: This thread is not a debate on whether you think it is a good idea, just a head count of people like me who joined dust to not have to start over again. If you biomass us, i will not be returning to start over. As it will just keep happening. The continuous nature of the universe is what brought me here & will be the only thing that will tear me away. If anyone else will not be returning without their character's x up & be heard. Even if it doesn't mean anything. +1
4lbert Wesker Intara Direct Action Caldari State 602	Posted - 2016.02.04 21:30:00 - [28] - Quote AUR,BPO, and other weapons/frames should be transferred, SP doesn't matter. WESKER S.T.A.R.S. is not my corporation!
Tread Loudly 2 fgtt .I. 205	Posted - 2016.02.04 21:32:00 - [29] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I would like to keep my name and maybe some other stuff bought with AUR, event items and such. SP and ISK should be completely cleared and not transferred. Couldn't have said it any better We're coming for you. You know who you are. And you know you have no chance.
sebastian the huds Corrosive Synergy 347	Posted - 2016.02.04 21:40:00 - [30] - Quote As long as my character name in its exact spelling is kept i will come back. i don't care for the isk i don't care for the aurum i don't care for the blueprints i don't care for the apex i don't care for the rank i have i don't care for my assets i don't care for my quafe i want my name. that is all. sebastian the huds- best LAV driver no competition. I specialize in light attack vehicles, so what? i was the first CEO of corrosive synergy.

Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 375	Posted - 2016.02.04 21:48:00 - [31] - Quote ID G4f wrote: This thread is not a debate on whether you think it is a good idea, just a head count of people like me who joined dust to not have to start over again. If you biomass us, i will not be returning to start over. As it will just keep happening. The continuous nature of the universe is what brought me here & will be the only thing that will tear me away. If anyone else will not be returning without their character's x up & be heard. Even if it doesn't mean anything. I joined Dust (late) with the intention to never stop playing, like I joined EvE to never stop play that game either. My feeling has always been that Dust should port in totum, to a new platform, preferably the PS4, but if PC is the way they're going, that's got to mean that they plan to keep it going (like EvE) for a VERY LONG TIME. You don't have to port if it's on PC, you just make sure the code is compatible with the new version of whatever OS you're using. As such, I advocate a direct transfer of EVERYTHING, that this character and my Gallente alt have acquired during my 6 months of actually playing this game (I am a Beta vet that didn't play until recently). For me it wouldn't be that drastic if they didn't transfer everything - I've only been active for 6 months, so have less than 6 months SP to show for it on both of my alts. But being an EvE long-liner, I actually EXPECT vets to have significantly more skills than I do, and I expect that more skills will be progressively added over time so that noone can max out their skills and therefore I would never be able to match the skills of someone who started years before me. I totally expect this view to be unpopular with people who see Dust (and EvE) as "just a game", but for EvE long-liners, this is the way it appears to them. If Dust moves to PC, it will join the "long-liner" world and will in the course of time CEASE to be "just a game" for most who continue to play it. I advocate that right from the start, there be a richness of levels of skills in the player base. The type of players Dust on PC would attract over time would be more the sort that look for that themselves.
Kobija Hakaisou Capital Acquisitions LLC 0	Posted - 2016.02.05 13:25:00 - [32] - Quote I also recently started playing. Within the last half year. I have never felt as instantly connected to a game as i have dust. It is my favorite stuff. And in the past few months since i started, ive spent 100s of dollars on this game. I spend 100 dollars on it every month because i wanted this game to flourish. My wife, FURRY GIRLfaulkner spends almost as much. We were under the impression tht we wouldnt lose our things. I dont mind my skills being reset. That has to happen. I dont mind not keeping our aur or isk. What i mind is the possibility of all the money i spent going to waste. If the new game comes out and all i get is a unique skin that indicates i played dust then i have to ask myself is it worth it for me to play the next game as well? Why would i keep pouring my money into a company that is going to do this to me? CCP, i understand what your doing. And im not blaming you for the most part. But please. Give those of us that supported and funded you so readily out of admiration and love for your product something to remember dust by. Something that feels fair. I dont want to start off with game breaking equipment. But i also dont want you to just hand out skins and call it even with us. Im just nervous is all. If we arent rewarded for our loyalty with something of equal value then your setting a standard that those of us who do as i have cant continue to fund. I want a persistent world like eve. You wouldnt reset them. Why reset us? Even if its just in the form of blueprints or perhaps having two ranking systems in your new game. New players can be enlisted. Us dust loyalists can be officers. Give us seperate loyalty rank bonuses or something. Give us something that new players can look at and understand what weve done. Make it apparent that this was our house. We have supported YOU with ungodly amounts of money. And we want to trust you that we can continue to do so without getting a hollow thank you and a golden star on our arm for all our sacrifices to help you grow. I hope that you can find a solution that is not game breaking and is not simply asthetic. But more so, i just hope you care enough to try hard to find that solution. Thats why i supported you each month. I was proud of my minmatar. All of my minmatar apex suits. My accomplishments in this game felt real to me. Dont throw those in the trash. Give the veterans a legacy in this new game. Petition Signed.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 784	Posted - 2016.02.05 13:45:00 - [33] - Quote My skins and BPOS are key to me returning. I'd like my SP too being that almost 3 years in and I can play every role I want without grinding as if it's my job. Isk can go to the wind.
The Modern Creature Incorruptibles 78	Posted - 2016.02.05 13:46:00 - [34] - Quote BPO's as you know them will not be transferred or maybe not in the new game at all. They're trying to run on the EVE Economy and BPO's just completely break it. If you want to keep your BPO's the only solution I see that will be coming is that you'll have to manufacture them yourself. Edit: Petition not signed. DEPLOYING COVER!!! -Me
CRONUSS REAPERR The Naughty Ninjas The-Office 6	Posted - 2016.02.05 13:50:00 - [35] - Quote xXx Project Legion(No Lag) make it happen.
Codak Holland The Naughty Ninjas The-Office 13	Posted - 2016.02.05 13:52:00 - [36] - Quote CRONUSS REAPERR wrote: xXx ^^^^^^^^^^^ this guy said xD Tapout or blackout
Fierces Dave Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 40	Posted - 2016.02.05 13:57:00 - [37] - Quote I'll keep my name and maybe a little badge or something to show that I was from Dust 514 but it would make the game highly unbalanced if we transfer SP and ISK. This is a new game using IDEAS from Dust and lessons learned from Dust. This is not a port people.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 784	Posted - 2016.02.05 13:57:00 - [38] - Quote The Modern Creature wrote: BPO's as you know them will not be transferred or maybe not in the new game at all. They're trying to run on the EVE Economy and BPO's just completely break it. If you want to keep your BPO's the only solution I see that will be coming is that you'll have to manufacture them yourself. Edit: Petition not signed. A basic BPO is not game breaking. You really feel me running my Dren swarm launcher and Basic Ammar Logi will break the game or economy?
The Modern Creature Incorruptibles 80	Posted - 2016.02.05 14:00:00 - [39] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: The Modern Creature wrote: BPO's as you know them will not be transferred or maybe not in the new game at all. They're trying to run on the EVE Economy and BPO's just completely break it. If you want to keep your BPO's the only solution I see that will be coming is that you'll have to manufacture them yourself. Edit: Petition not signed. A basic BPO is not game breaking. You really feel me running my Dren swarm launcher and Basic Ammar Logi will break the game or economy? The whole point of EVE and DUST is that there are real consequences and asset loss. If you have an unlimited supply of a suit at no cost, you're completely getting around that point. DEPLOYING COVER!!! -Me
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 786	Posted - 2016.02.05 14:00:00 - [40] - Quote Fierces Dave wrote: I'll keep my name and maybe a little badge or something to show that I was from Dust 514 but it would make the game highly unbalanced if we transfer SP and ISK. This is a new game using IDEAS from Dust and lessons learned from Dust. This is not a port people. I'd like to point out EVE vets have significantly more SP than a noob.

Fierces Dave Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 40	Posted - 2016.02.05 14:10:00 - [41] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Fierces Dave wrote: I'll keep my name and maybe a little badge or something to show that I was from Dust 514 but it would make the game highly unbalanced if we transfer SP and ISK. This is a new game using IDEAS from Dust and lessons learned from Dust. This is not a port people. I'd like to point out EVE vets have significantly more SP than a noob. There is also different secs in the game where they can't attack you if you are a noob.
Kobija Hakaisou Capital Acquisitions LLC 1	Posted - 2016.02.05 14:32:00 - [42] - Quote if sp does transfer it wont break anything. Period.people mivht get butt hur about it but er already earned it. People can gain sp just like we did. They also had the opportunity. But even still, if they dont tranfer the sp then it not gonna **** me off. Would i like it? Sure. But im more worried about my equipment. From the warbarge down to my malitia, covanent and dren bpos as well as apex suits. I understand that they dont want people to have unending supplies of things but they shouldnt have sold them to us for real world money if they were going to do this. We paid for it. We want it. If you pay for a lifetime supply of...jerky...and i tell you after half a year that we dont want to give you any more, you should be refunded in some way. Perhaps they could leave bpos but each time you use it it would cost isk. But the amount of isk spent could be less than normal. More or less to represent that you just buying the materials but assembling the weapons yourself.
Amalepsa Zarek The Naughty Ninjas The-Office 4	Posted - 2016.02.05 14:40:00 - [43] - Quote The whole SP issue is not a problem but rather a benefit (revenue increase) for CCP. As in the next patch you can BUY Skill Points for ISK. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/exploring-the-character-bazaar-skill-trading/ YES: You will be able to buy Skill Points so: Carrying the Skill Points through will not break anything at all. It will rather keep the no-lifers/enables/leaders to stay and continue leading and organizing.
jade gamester Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 327	Posted - 2016.02.05 14:49:00 - [44] - Quote ID G4f wrote: This thread is not a debate on whether you think it is a good idea, just a head count of people like me who joined dust to not have to start over again. If you biomass us, i will not be returning to start over. As it will just keep happening. The continuous nature of the universe is what brought me here & will be the only thing that will tear me away. If anyone else will not be returning without their character's x up & be heard. Even if it doesn't mean anything. You have to look at it logically speaking. This game has been abused with isk glitch to the point we can all run proto forever. And SP wise I'm sitting at 108mil. With 12 proto suits, and proto tank. Bringing that to the next game will instantly cause problems for new players. I think visualisations and bpos should be brought over, and also a reward for what loyalty level we are in dust but that's sensible to me Will the real vu please stand up o7
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 786	Posted - 2016.02.05 14:52:00 - [45] - Quote Fierces Dave wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Fierces Dave wrote: I'll keep my name and maybe a little badge or something to show that I was from Dust 514 but it would make the game highly unbalanced if we transfer SP and ISK. This is a new game using IDEAS from Dust and lessons learned from Dust. This is not a port people. I'd like to point out EVE vets have significantly more SP than a noob. There is also different secs in the game where they can't attack you if you are a noob. I asked on many occasions for tier lock with negativity from many vets and silence from Devs.
tyz138 wer138 KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 2	Posted - 2016.02.05 18:23:00 - [46] - Quote I vote yes on your petition! I also vote yes for Bernie Sanders!
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 380	Posted - 2016.02.05 21:36:00 - [47] - Quote Kobija Hakaisou wrote: I also recently started playing. Within the last half year. I have never felt as instantly connected to a game as i have dust. It is my favorite stuff. And in the past few months since i started, ive spent 100s of dollars on this game. I spend 100 dollars on it every month because i wanted this game to flourish. My wife, FURRY GIRLfaulkner spends almost as much. We were under the impression tht we wouldnt lose our things. I dont mind my skills being reset. That has to happen. I dont mind not keeping our aur or isk. What i mind is the possibility of all the money i spent going to waste. If the new game comes out and all i get is a unique skin that indicates i played dust then i have to ask myself is it worth it for me to play the next game as well? Why would i keep pouring my money into a company that is going to do this to me? CCP, i understand what your doing. And im not blaming you for the most part. But please. Give those of us that supported and funded you so readily out of admiration and love for your product something to remember dust by. Something that feels fair. I dont want to start off with game breaking equipment. But i also dont want you to just hand out skins and call it even with us. Im just nervous is all. If we arent rewarded for our loyalty with something of equal value then your setting a standard that those of us who do as i have cant continue to fund. I want a persistent world like eve. You wouldnt reset them. Why reset us? Even if its just in the form of blueprints or perhaps having two ranking systems in your new game. New players can be enlisted. Us dust loyalists can be officers. Give us seperate loyalty rank bonuses or something. Give us something that new players can look at and understand what weve done. Make it apparent that this was our house. We have supported YOU with ungodly amounts of money. And we want to trust you that we can continue to do so without getting a hollow thank you and a golden star on our arm for all our sacrifices to help you grow. I hope that you can find a solution that is not game breaking and is not simply asthetic. But more so, i just hope you care enough to try hard to find that solution. Thats why i supported you each month. I was proud of my minmatar. All of my minmatar apex suits. My accomplishments in this game felt real to me. Dont throw those in the trash. Give the veterans a legacy in this new game. Petition Signed. It would actually be simpler and easier for CCP to just keep the Dust database, intact, with everything in it, and build a new front end that does the same thing on PC as Dust does on PS3. Personally, I don't want to see that - I would rather see a persistent world, fully integrated into the EvE universe, a sandbox that has constant battles, not these lobby shooter things, that people can join at any time. Hey, there's a battle in JITA, let's go help them out! That's the sort of thing I want to see - a meaningful world (NOT a "game") that actually has some bearing on what's going on in the rest of EvE. But it would be good to just see them keep the existing database and build a new PC front end. That would be better than nothing.
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 380	Posted - 2016.02.05 21:43:00 - [48] - Quote The Modern Creature wrote: BPO's as you know them will not be transferred or maybe not in the new game at all. They're trying to run on the EVE Economy and BPO's just completely break it. If you want to keep your BPO's the only solution I see that will be coming is that you'll have to manufacture them yourself. Edit: Petition not signed. BPOs as used in Dust break the EvE economy. But BPOs themselves don't. EvE uses BPOs and BPCs (blueprint copies with limited runs) to manufacture items which can be bought for ISK. We actually need BPOs if we are going to be able to have unlimited numbers of anything. And we need the ISK to buy the materials and manufacturing time to make them, so we should not be so ready to give up our ISK, either. I think there's a place for BPO style suits - Militia level suits with Militia level equipment that doesn't run out, similar to the clothing items we have in EvE, where likewise, once bought we don't lose them. But anything better than that should be bought for ISK and made from BPs (either Originals or Copies).
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 380	Posted - 2016.02.05 21:46:00 - [49] - Quote Fierces Dave wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Fierces Dave wrote: I'll keep my name and maybe a little badge or something to show that I was from Dust 514 but it would make the game highly unbalanced if we transfer SP and ISK. This is a new game using IDEAS from Dust and lessons learned from Dust. This is not a port people. I'd like to point out EVE vets have significantly more SP than a noob. There is also different secs in the game where they can't attack you if you are a noob. Of course they can attack you - but Concorde will take them out as a consequence. In EvE, anything's possible, even the illegal stuff. Everything just has real consequences.
Murder Medic Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 575	Posted - 2016.02.05 21:46:00 - [50] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: The Modern Creature wrote: BPO's as you know them will not be transferred or maybe not in the new game at all. They're trying to run on the EVE Economy and BPO's just completely break it. If you want to keep your BPO's the only solution I see that will be coming is that you'll have to manufacture them yourself. Edit: Petition not signed. BPOs as used in Dust break the EvE economy. But BPOs themselves don't. EvE uses BPOs and BPCs (blueprint copies with limited runs) to manufacture items which can be bought for ISK. We actually need BPOs if we are going to be able to have unlimited numbers of anything. And we need the ISK to buy the materials and manufacturing time to make them, so we should not be so ready to give up our ISK, either. I think there's a place for BPO style suits - Militia level suits with Militia level equipment that doesn't run out, similar to the clothing items we have in EvE, where likewise, once bought we don't lose them. But anything better than that should be bought for ISK and made from BPs (either Originals or Copies). I mean if you just think of your starter suits as starter ships than it's not unreasonable at all. Farewell DUST

TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 799	Posted - 2016.02.05 21:46:00 - [51] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: The Modern Creature wrote: BPO's as you know them will not be transferred or maybe not in the new game at all. They're trying to run on the EVE Economy and BPO's just completely break it. If you want to keep your BPO's the only solution I see that will be coming is that you'll have to manufacture them yourself. Edit: Petition not signed. BPOs as used in Dust break the EvE economy. But BPOs themselves don't. EvE uses BPOs and BPCs (blueprint copies with limited runs) to manufacture items which can be bought for ISK. We actually need BPOs if we are going to be able to have unlimited numbers of anything. And we need the ISK to buy the materials and manufacturing time to make them, so we should not be so ready to give up our ISK, either. I think there's a place for BPO style suits - Militia level suits with Militia level equipment that doesn't run out, similar to the clothing items we have in EvE, where likewise, once bought we don't lose them. But anything better than that should be bought for ISK and made from BPs (either Originals or Copies). Dust isn't EVe even if it's in that universe and connected . Also worth mentioning saving 6,000 isk on one fitting won't make me win or break the economy. PC did that for dust long ago
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 799	Posted - 2016.02.05 21:48:00 - [52] - Quote Fierces Dave wrote: I'll keep my name and maybe a little badge or something to show that I was from Dust 514 but it would make the game highly unbalanced if we transfer SP and ISK. This is a new game using IDEAS from Dust and lessons learned from Dust. This is not a port people. Also worth pointing out. Are vets in EVE able to sell their skills to people that haven't or don't wish to grind?
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 381	Posted - 2016.02.05 21:49:00 - [53] - Quote Amalepsa Zarek wrote: The whole SP issue is not a problem but rather a benefit (revenue increase) for CCP. As in the next patch you can BUY Skill Points for ISK. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/exploring-the-character-bazaar-skill-trading/ YES: You will be able to buy Skill Points so: Carrying the Skill Points through will not break anything at all. It will rather keep the no-lifers/enables/leaders to stay and continue leading and organizing. No. You won't be able to CREATE skill points, only buy them from someone who's already earnt them. Yes, you will be able to buy skill points from other people but they will lose those skill points in the process. Not quite what you're indicating here.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4	Posted - 2016.02.05 21:51:00 - [54] - Quote You will keep your name and that will be it. You will be lucky to keep your AUR and any BPOs you have and all that AUR spent on boosters has been lost and used in vain. CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 799	Posted - 2016.02.05 21:53:00 - [55] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: Amalepsa Zarek wrote: The whole SP issue is not a problem but rather a benefit (revenue increase) for CCP. As in the next patch you can BUY Skill Points for ISK. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/exploring-the-character-bazaar-skill-trading/ YES: You will be able to buy Skill Points so: Carrying the Skill Points through will not break anything at all. It will rather keep the no-lifers/enables/leaders to stay and continue leading and organizing. No. You won't be able to CREATE skill points, only buy them from someone who's already earnt them. Yes, you will be able to buy skill points from other people but they will lose those skill points in the process. Not quite what you're indicating here. You said exactly what I thought! Thank you.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 799	Posted - 2016.02.05 21:54:00 - [56] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: You will keep your name and that will be it. You will be lucky to keep your AUR and any BPOs you have and all that AUR spent on boosters has been lost and used in vain. But...but....my Council's Rep Tool.
Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 466	Posted - 2016.02.05 21:55:00 - [57] - Quote Kobija Hakaisou wrote: We paid for it. We want it. If you pay for a lifetime supply of...jerky...and i tell you after half a year that we dont want to give you any more, you should be refunded in some way. Just a heads up, you signed no such contract with CCP that you'd get a lifetime supply of anything. If you thought that's what you were getting, you need to learn to be a smarter consumer. The nature of videogames that are hosted on external servers is that the plug can be pulled at any time, and for any reason. If you went in too deep with Aurum purchases then I feel bad for you, but at the end of the day you were buying temporary pixels... they may have been 'permanent' in-game, but unfortunately there is no such thing in real life. Something is killing new player retention.
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 381	Posted - 2016.02.05 21:57:00 - [58] - Quote jade gamester wrote: ID G4f wrote: This thread is not a debate on whether you think it is a good idea, just a head count of people like me who joined dust to not have to start over again. If you biomass us, i will not be returning to start over. As it will just keep happening. The continuous nature of the universe is what brought me here & will be the only thing that will tear me away. If anyone else will not be returning without their character's x up & be heard. Even if it doesn't mean anything. You have to look at it logically speaking. This game has been abused with isk glitch to the point we can all run proto forever. And SP wise I'm sitting at 108mil. With 12 proto suits, and proto tank. Bringing that to the next game will instantly cause problems for new players. I think visualisations and bpos should be brought over, and also a reward for what loyalty level we are in dust but that's sensible to me There is absolutely nothing wrong with bringing everything you have into the new game! So it instantly causes problems for new players, how is that any different from the existing Dust, or EvE for that matter? There is absolutely nothing wrong with keeping absolutely everything you have and porting across to the new game, in totum. That can be done and it's completely viable, with just a new front end running on PC. What I really don't want to see, though is just another lobby shooter, like Dust has become. As part of the EvE universe, Dust on PC (DoPC) should be a sandbox, like EvE, were battles aren't scheduled, don't start and finish according to some sort of rules, are part of the EvE war system where appropriate, and otherwise, just generally part of the PvP world of EvE. Battles should EXIST wherever and whenever two or more players decide to duke it out, and there should be the scope for more people to arrive on either side to make it as even or as one-sided as those people want. This is what EvE is about, not the stylised battles of Dust. Wherever possible EVERYTHING should and could be transferred across, just retaining the old database and building a new front end. Perhaps initially, it could stay in the JALS (Just Another Lobby Shooter) format before moving to a proper sandbox DoPC. But everything could and should transfer across.
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 382	Posted - 2016.02.05 22:00:00 - [59] - Quote Murder Medic wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: The Modern Creature wrote: BPO's as you know them will not be transferred or maybe not in the new game at all. They're trying to run on the EVE Economy and BPO's just completely break it. If you want to keep your BPO's the only solution I see that will be coming is that you'll have to manufacture them yourself. Edit: Petition not signed. BPOs as used in Dust break the EvE economy. But BPOs themselves don't. EvE uses BPOs and BPCs (blueprint copies with limited runs) to manufacture items which can be bought for ISK. We actually need BPOs if we are going to be able to have unlimited numbers of anything. And we need the ISK to buy the materials and manufacturing time to make them, so we should not be so ready to give up our ISK, either. I think there's a place for BPO style suits - Militia level suits with Militia level equipment that doesn't run out, similar to the clothing items we have in EvE, where likewise, once bought we don't lose them. But anything better than that should be bought for ISK and made from BPs (either Originals or Copies). I mean if you just think of your starter suits as starter ships than it's not unreasonable at all. Exactly. If you arrive in a station in your pod, you're instantly assigned a brand new starter ship. You don't even have to buy it - it's part of the basic insurance agreement you have in the game. I see no difference between that concept and the idea of basic starter suits.
Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 466	Posted - 2016.02.05 22:02:00 - [60] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: What I really don't want to see, though is just another lobby shooter, like Dust has become. As part of the EvE universe, Dust on PC (DoPC) should be a sandbox, like EvE, were battles aren't scheduled, don't start and finish according to some sort of rules, are part of the EvE war system where appropriate, and otherwise, just generally part of the PvP world of EvE. Battles should EXIST wherever and whenever two or more players decide to duke it out, and there should be the scope for more people to arrive on either side to make it as even or as one-sided as those people want. This is what EvE is about, not the stylised battles of Dust. Vision. This man has it. If a group of low SP players can get eyes on a group of enemies and decide whether to take the fight or not (just like in Eve) all the problems of gear and SP imbalance go away. If you get stomped it's because you took a bad fight. If you stomp it's because you laid some good bait. Just like in Eve. Something is killing new player retention.

Murder Medic Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 576	Posted - 2016.02.05 22:02:00 - [61] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Fierces Dave wrote: I'll keep my name and maybe a little badge or something to show that I was from Dust 514 but it would make the game highly unbalanced if we transfer SP and ISK. This is a new game using IDEAS from Dust and lessons learned from Dust. This is not a port people. Also worth pointing out. Are vets in EVE able to sell their skills to people that haven't or don't wish to grind? Yes Farewell DUST
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 801	Posted - 2016.02.05 22:03:00 - [62] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: jade gamester wrote: ID G4f wrote: This thread is not a debate on whether you think it is a good idea, just a head count of people like me who joined dust to not have to start over again. If you biomass us, i will not be returning to start over. As it will just keep happening. The continuous nature of the universe is what brought me here & will be the only thing that will tear me away. If anyone else will not be returning without their character's x up & be heard. Even if it doesn't mean anything. You have to look at it logically speaking. This game has been abused with isk glitch to the point we can all run proto forever. And SP wise I'm sitting at 108mil. With 12 proto suits, and proto tank. Bringing that to the next game will instantly cause problems for new players. I think visualisations and bpos should be brought over, and also a reward for what loyalty level we are in dust but that's sensible to me There is absolutely nothing wrong with bringing everything you have into the new game! So it instantly causes problems for new players, how is that any different from the existing Dust, or EvE for that matter? There is absolutely nothing wrong with keeping absolutely everything you have and porting across to the new game, in totum. That can be done and it's completely viable, with just a new front end running on PC. What I really don't want to see, though is just another lobby shooter, like Dust has become. As part of the EvE universe, Dust on PC (DoPC) should be a sandbox, like EvE, were battles aren't scheduled, don't start and finish according to some sort of rules, are part of the EvE war system where appropriate, and otherwise, just generally part of the PvP world of EvE. Battles should EXIST wherever and whenever two or more players decide to duke it out, and there should be the scope for more people to arrive on either side to make it as even or as one-sided as those people want. This is what EvE is about, not the stylised battles of Dust. Wherever possible EVERYTHING should and could be transferred across, just retaining the old database and building a new front end. Perhaps initially, it could stay in the JALS (Just Another Lobby Shooter) format before moving to a proper sandbox DoPC. But everything could and should transfer across. Not to mention a newer playerbase you could have a tiered system. You wanna tangle with noobs? You can wear the same level of stuff as them.
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 382	Posted - 2016.02.05 22:04:00 - [63] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: The Modern Creature wrote: BPO's as you know them will not be transferred or maybe not in the new game at all. They're trying to run on the EVE Economy and BPO's just completely break it. If you want to keep your BPO's the only solution I see that will be coming is that you'll have to manufacture them yourself. Edit: Petition not signed. BPOs as used in Dust break the EvE economy. But BPOs themselves don't. EvE uses BPOs and BPCs (blueprint copies with limited runs) to manufacture items which can be bought for ISK. We actually need BPOs if we are going to be able to have unlimited numbers of anything. And we need the ISK to buy the materials and manufacturing time to make them, so we should not be so ready to give up our ISK, either. I think there's a place for BPO style suits - Militia level suits with Militia level equipment that doesn't run out, similar to the clothing items we have in EvE, where likewise, once bought we don't lose them. But anything better than that should be bought for ISK and made from BPs (either Originals or Copies). Dust isn't EVe even if it's in that universe and connected . Also worth mentioning saving 6,000 isk on one fitting won't make me win or break the economy. PC did that for dust long ago No, Dust isn't EvE but it's part of the same universe and if it's on PC we have the opportunity to move to the more integrated economy and gameplay that we were supposed to have in the beginning. So apparently we couldn't have that because of the PS3, well, now we're talking about PC which is virtually unlimited in comparison. BPOs aren't a problem for the EvE universe, only the way they are used in Dust. If DoPC were to implement EvE-style BPO use (and I believe it would have to if it's to be truly integrated) then it would simply mean you have to pay ISK for the materials for your "unlimited supply" of whatever your BPO creates.
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 382	Posted - 2016.02.05 22:06:00 - [64] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Fierces Dave wrote: I'll keep my name and maybe a little badge or something to show that I was from Dust 514 but it would make the game highly unbalanced if we transfer SP and ISK. This is a new game using IDEAS from Dust and lessons learned from Dust. This is not a port people. Also worth pointing out. Are vets in EVE able to sell their skills to people that haven't or don't wish to grind? Yes. They can now sell their skills. But of course, they lose them in the process.
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 382	Posted - 2016.02.05 22:08:00 - [65] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: You will keep your name and that will be it. You will be lucky to keep your AUR and any BPOs you have and all that AUR spent on boosters has been lost and used in vain. Why are you pontificating? How do you know this? Don't tell me it just makes sense to you - as far as I can see it makes more sense to keep the existing database and just build a new front end. But that probably will be too simplistic.
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 383	Posted - 2016.02.05 22:11:00 - [66] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: You will keep your name and that will be it. You will be lucky to keep your AUR and any BPOs you have and all that AUR spent on boosters has been lost and used in vain. But...but....my Council's Rep Tool. Exactly. EVERYTHING can be kept, if CCP wants to. Creating a brand new database is a helluva lot harder than just using the existing one with a new front end for DoPC. New functionality is the only reason they would change anything, and that can be done as part of the transition process, or even after the new system is implemented.
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 383	Posted - 2016.02.05 22:16:00 - [67] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: Kobija Hakaisou wrote: We paid for it. We want it. If you pay for a lifetime supply of...jerky...and i tell you after half a year that we dont want to give you any more, you should be refunded in some way. Just a heads up, you signed no such contract with CCP that you'd get a lifetime supply of anything. If you thought that's what you were getting, you need to learn to be a smarter consumer. The nature of videogames that are hosted on external servers is that the plug can be pulled at any time, and for any reason. If you went in too deep with Aurum purchases then I feel bad for you, but at the end of the day you were buying temporary pixels... they may have been 'permanent' in-game, but unfortunately there is no such thing in real life. The nature of the EvE universe is persistence... No there's no such contract, other than the EULA, but there is a reasonable expectation that if you pay out money for something you will get what you paid for. If that's "unlimited", "infinite", or any other permutation of the infinity symbol that's against all BPOs then you should expect to be able to keep using it, at least in the EvE universe, for as long as it exists. EvE will shut down eventuatlly, one day, maybe, perhaps after a few generations of new players have passed through, perhaps, just maybe. But until then, if you've paid for a BPO, a skin, or anything else that's supposed to be perpetual, we should have access to it.
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 383	Posted - 2016.02.05 22:26:00 - [68] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Not to mention a newer playerbase you could have a tiered system. You wanna tangle with noobs? You can wear the same level of stuff as them. But! That misses the entire point of the EvE universe where absolutely anything can happen. In EvE PvP (sorry for the oxymoron), people can and do take on others of completely different capabilities, and sometimes that works out differently from what you'd expect. If a noob takes on a vet, most likely that noob will come off second best. If a vet takes on a noob in hisec, the vet will come off second best because of violation of the hisec rules. In losec or nullsec, ANYTHING goes. In hisec, noobs are relatively protected. It won't mean that you can't be attacked, only that your attacker will definitely lose a ship. It's a different world from the one that most Dusters are used to. It's a better world than what Dust has become, with a lot more opportunities.
Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 467	Posted - 2016.02.05 22:36:00 - [69] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: Kobija Hakaisou wrote: We paid for it. We want it. If you pay for a lifetime supply of...jerky...and i tell you after half a year that we dont want to give you any more, you should be refunded in some way. Just a heads up, you signed no such contract with CCP that you'd get a lifetime supply of anything. If you thought that's what you were getting, you need to learn to be a smarter consumer. The nature of videogames that are hosted on external servers is that the plug can be pulled at any time, and for any reason. If you went in too deep with Aurum purchases then I feel bad for you, but at the end of the day you were buying temporary pixels... they may have been 'permanent' in-game, but unfortunately there is no such thing in real life. The nature of the EvE universe is persistence... No there's no such contract, other than the EULA, but there is a reasonable expectation that if you pay out money for something you will get what you paid for. If that's "unlimited", "infinite", or any other permutation of the infinity symbol that's against all BPOs then you should expect to be able to keep using it, at least in the EvE universe, for as long as it exists. EvE will shut down eventuatlly, one day, maybe, perhaps after a few generations of new players have passed through, perhaps, just maybe. But until then, if you've paid for a BPO, a skin, or anything else that's supposed to be perpetual, we should have access to it. I'll agree that it's a weird edge-case as far as this goes, but the post from CCP made it pretty clear that the new game will be like Dust but not actually Dust. If it were a more straight-forward 'Dust514 is being ported to PS4' then yea, I'd say that a full transfer would be appropriate. But I think CCP have realized how badly they messed up the economy and have deliberately avoided stating that they're continuing Dust on PC so they have a chance to start fresh. You paid for items in Dust, but now Dust is over. In a while there'll be a new New Eden FPS, but it's not Dust. Something is killing new player retention.
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 384	Posted - 2016.02.05 22:40:00 - [70] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: Kobija Hakaisou wrote: We paid for it. We want it. If you pay for a lifetime supply of...jerky...and i tell you after half a year that we dont want to give you any more, you should be refunded in some way. Just a heads up, you signed no such contract with CCP that you'd get a lifetime supply of anything. If you thought that's what you were getting, you need to learn to be a smarter consumer. The nature of videogames that are hosted on external servers is that the plug can be pulled at any time, and for any reason. If you went in too deep with Aurum purchases then I feel bad for you, but at the end of the day you were buying temporary pixels... they may have been 'permanent' in-game, but unfortunately there is no such thing in real life. The nature of the EvE universe is persistence... No there's no such contract, other than the EULA, but there is a reasonable expectation that if you pay out money for something you will get what you paid for. If that's "unlimited", "infinite", or any other permutation of the infinity symbol that's against all BPOs then you should expect to be able to keep using it, at least in the EvE universe, for as long as it exists. EvE will shut down eventuatlly, one day, maybe, perhaps after a few generations of new players have passed through, perhaps, just maybe. But until then, if you've paid for a BPO, a skin, or anything else that's supposed to be perpetual, we should have access to it. I'll agree that it's a weird edge-case as far as this goes, but the post from CCP made it pretty clear that the new game will be like Dust but not actually Dust. If it were a more straight-forward 'Dust514 is being ported to PS4' then yea, I'd say that a full transfer would be appropriate. But I think CCP have realized how badly they messed up the economy and have deliberately avoided stating that they're continuing Dust on PC so they have a chance to start fresh. You paid for items in Dust, but now Dust is over. In a while there'll be a new New Eden FPS, but it's not Dust. All true. I only said it was possible and the easiest option, but I personally would like to see quite a lot change, particularly around the integration into the rest of the EvE universe and the persistence/sandbox aspect. That can be still done with a database modification, keeping the existing data where appropriate and altering it as necessary for new functionality. Speaking as an ex-DBA (database admin), I still think it's easier than starting from scratch.

jordy mack WarRavens Imperium Eden 1	Posted - 2016.02.05 23:55:00 - [71] - Quote lol @ op so your name is just for show? coz it seems to me like you "G4F" Less QQ more PewPew
Kobija Hakaisou Capital Acquisitions LLC 3	Posted - 2016.02.06 00:37:00 - [72] - Quote if they made a Sandbox version of dust that was similar to planetside... I find it hard to imagine myself playing other games. I BARELY play other games now. i tried a couple times but i iust go back to dust. Yeeeah...i am aware i didnt sign a contract stating that i had an infinite supply of anything. No ****. I am also aware that if someone used policies like you suggest...sells an infinite something...doesnt give it...says they dont have to...that company would fail. You can blame the type of consumer i am if it makes you feel good. But at the end of the day the only blame is on CCP. And that blame only exists if they dont just throw us a little treat in the next game. Im not asking them to buy me a new house. Im asking for a goodie that feels worth it for my time and effort in supporting them with my money. If you really think thats too hard for them then you either have no idea how game design works or you must have NO to VERY LITTLE faith in CCPs ability to design them. I know better. Im sure they will make us goodies. And im sure those of us who really like ccps work will be proud of whatever goodie we get.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 807	Posted - 2016.02.06 01:24:00 - [73] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: Kobija Hakaisou wrote: We paid for it. We want it. If you pay for a lifetime supply of...jerky...and i tell you after half a year that we dont want to give you any more, you should be refunded in some way. Just a heads up, you signed no such contract with CCP that you'd get a lifetime supply of anything. If you thought that's what you were getting, you need to learn to be a smarter consumer. The nature of videogames that are hosted on external servers is that the plug can be pulled at any time, and for any reason. If you went in too deep with Aurum purchases then I feel bad for you, but at the end of the day you were buying temporary pixels... they may have been 'permanent' in-game, but unfortunately there is no such thing in real life. The nature of the EvE universe is persistence... No there's no such contract, other than the EULA, but there is a reasonable expectation that if you pay out money for something you will get what you paid for. If that's "unlimited", "infinite", or any other permutation of the infinity symbol that's against all BPOs then you should expect to be able to keep using it, at least in the EvE universe, for as long as it exists. EvE will shut down eventuatlly, one day, maybe, perhaps after a few generations of new players have passed through, perhaps, just maybe. But until then, if you've paid for a BPO, a skin, or anything else that's supposed to be perpetual, we should have access to it. I'll agree that it's a weird edge-case as far as this goes, but the post from CCP made it pretty clear that the new game will be like Dust but not actually Dust. If it were a more straight-forward 'Dust514 is being ported to PS4' then yea, I'd say that a full transfer would be appropriate. But I think CCP have realized how badly they messed up the economy and have deliberately avoided stating that they're continuing Dust on PC so they have a chance to start fresh. You paid for items in Dust, but now Dust is over. In a while there'll be a new New Eden FPS, but it's not Dust. PC destroyed the economy rather well. BPOs did not especially in comparison to people in mega corps that did multiple PC matches in a day or farmed districts in the early days for boat loads of isk.
ID G4f Capital Acquisitions LLC 153	Posted - 2016.02.06 08:13:00 - [74] - Quote Can you imagine an open world. Deploy to get supplies to rebuild a few dren or apex suits, see a miner drilling some ore and realise it is a rival, pull out your shotgun. Buck buck, oh crud... this is hisec... as concord drops an orbital on your @$$? It could be so epic as long as they go sandbox and not lobby shooter. & skill differences would be moot in a year anyways. But the faith that your character would be around for awhile, you can't get that back after a mass purge. 110mil sp and counting Playing since 2013-03-12 06:21 Bernie sanders for president! Finally a president of the people
ZED Regent Acid Tech 303 716	Posted - 2016.02.06 09:37:00 - [75] - Quote Since it's a NEW game, BASED on dust, i expect nothing to be transferred... But... I just want to keep my name and skins....and Quafe gear IF possible... too many goodbye's lately...
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2016.02.06 09:42:00 - [76] - Quote signed. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "all these moments lost...Like tears in rain..." RIP Dust 514
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 818	Posted - 2016.02.06 13:17:00 - [77] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: You will keep your name and that will be it. You will be lucky to keep your AUR and any BPOs you have and all that AUR spent on boosters has been lost and used in vain. But...but....my Council's Rep Tool. Exactly. EVERYTHING can be kept, if CCP wants to. Creating a brand new database is a helluva lot harder than just using the existing one with a new front end for DoPC. New functionality is the only reason they would change anything, and that can be done as part of the transition process, or even after the new system is implemented. Like I said, we have no idea what they'll do. We don't know what or if anything will transfer. Names are useless in scope. If I knew I'd get to keep my stuff I will definitely 100% return because I would feel what I put into the game would still be around to enjoy. I understand that this will be a new game and we may get nothing, as such I am prepared for that reality. I just don't feel having BPOs (basic) or skins are game breaking. I mean heck most people given the chance would run Proto all day. Eh, we shall see.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 818	Posted - 2016.02.06 13:21:00 - [78] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Not to mention a newer playerbase you could have a tiered system. You wanna tangle with noobs? You can wear the same level of stuff as them. But! That misses the entire point of the EvE universe where absolutely anything can happen. In EvE PvP (sorry for the oxymoron), people can and do take on others of completely different capabilities, and sometimes that works out differently from what you'd expect. If a noob takes on a vet, most likely that noob will come off second best. If a vet takes on a noob in hisec, the vet will come off second best because of violation of the hisec rules. In losec or nullsec, ANYTHING goes. In hisec, noobs are relatively protected. It won't mean that you can't be attacked, only that your attacker will definitely lose a ship. It's a different world from the one that most Dusters are used to. It's a better world than what Dust has become, with a lot more opportunities. I'm aware. Who's to say a teird or low sec battles couldn't have similar consequences in the next game?
The Modern Creature Incorruptibles 90	Posted - 2016.02.06 18:14:00 - [79] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: The Modern Creature wrote: BPO's as you know them will not be transferred or maybe not in the new game at all. They're trying to run on the EVE Economy and BPO's just completely break it. If you want to keep your BPO's the only solution I see that will be coming is that you'll have to manufacture them yourself. Edit: Petition not signed. BPOs as used in Dust break the EvE economy. But BPOs themselves don't. EvE uses BPOs and BPCs (blueprint copies with limited runs) to manufacture items which can be bought for ISK. We actually need BPOs if we are going to be able to have unlimited numbers of anything. And we need the ISK to buy the materials and manufacturing time to make them, so we should not be so ready to give up our ISK, either. I think there's a place for BPO style suits - Militia level suits with Militia level equipment that doesn't run out, similar to the clothing items we have in EvE, where likewise, once bought we don't lose them. But anything better than that should be bought for ISK and made from BPs (either Originals or Copies). I know, that's why I specified. You can get ISK back, we don't need the players that milked PC to own the economy. I don't think any forms of currency or assets should be transferred, just the tiered rewards. DEPLOYING COVER!!! -Me
Nirwanda Vaughns 1	Posted - 2016.02.06 18:23:00 - [80] - Quote Technically we could keep our SP, CCP have geared EVE to a way that a new player can be competetive even against guys liek my EVE toon who are 12yrs old, be it accelerated progression for the first few weeks/months and introducing smaller tier ships with roles that were once skill intense. Now the game is moving to PC CCP couple introduce the idea i had of linked accounts between EVE and DUST2.0 where EVE subs will grant certain monthly perks to the DUST2.0 accounts in a way that ESO players who sub get a monthly allowance given to them of various items and gold. that way the guys who have piled loads of cash into boosters to get SP don't miss out too much, but new players from EVE can benefit from their EVE sub helping them grow in DUST2.0, and of course, it may lead to an increase in EVE subs if those of us that may want the extra perks can get 2 games for 1 sub Please fix my C-II hitpoints!! Jesus and I love you :)

Binx Klepto Eternal Beings I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 81	Posted - 2016.02.06 20:32:00 - [81] - Quote Signed. Massin Minmatarin son of a bitch http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Binx_Klepto
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 404	Posted - 2016.02.06 21:56:00 - [82] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: You will keep your name and that will be it. You will be lucky to keep your AUR and any BPOs you have and all that AUR spent on boosters has been lost and used in vain. But...but....my Council's Rep Tool. Exactly. EVERYTHING can be kept, if CCP wants to. Creating a brand new database is a helluva lot harder than just using the existing one with a new front end for DoPC. New functionality is the only reason they would change anything, and that can be done as part of the transition process, or even after the new system is implemented. Like I said, we have no idea what they'll do. We don't know what or if anything will transfer. Names are useless in scope. If I knew I'd get to keep my stuff I will definitely 100% return because I would feel what I put into the game would still be around to enjoy. I understand that this will be a new game and we may get nothing, as such I am prepared for that reality. I just don't feel having BPOs (basic) or skins are game breaking. I mean heck most people given the chance would run Proto all day. Eh, we shall see. BPOs in the EvE world are used differently from those in Dust. If the new Dust is integrated more completely into the EvE universe, be prepared for BPOs that don't give you "unlimited" anything, but still require materials and manufacturing resources (which you pay for) to make what you use. The upshot of this is that in the EvE world, EVERYTHING has a BPO. So proto suits and weapons can be "unlimited" by just buying the BPOs, the materials and the manufacturing time and churning them out. Or you might like to actually do that and then sell them to others that don't want to bother with all that. For a profit of course... ;)
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 404	Posted - 2016.02.06 22:02:00 - [83] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Technically we could keep our SP, CCP have geared EVE to a way that a new player can be competetive even against guys liek my EVE toon who are 12yrs old, be it accelerated progression for the first few weeks/months and introducing smaller tier ships with roles that were once skill intense. Now the game is moving to PC CCP couple introduce the idea i had of linked accounts between EVE and DUST2.0 where EVE subs will grant certain monthly perks to the DUST2.0 accounts in a way that ESO players who sub get a monthly allowance given to them of various items and gold. that way the guys who have piled loads of cash into boosters to get SP don't miss out too much, but new players from EVE can benefit from their EVE sub helping them grow in DUST2.0, and of course, it may lead to an increase in EVE subs if those of us that may want the extra perks can get 2 games for 1 sub I would actually really like to see my EvE account interchangeable with Dust 2.0. If they're in the same universe and on the same platform, why not? If Dust is truly integrated into EvE, there's no reason this can't be done. They may choose not to do it of course, for other reasons, like keeping the method of payment different. I think that would be a substantial retrograde step. I'd love to see EvE and Dust fully integrated so you can just log out of one and into the other with the same character, who has skills in both. The only difference would be the front end. Of course that was not possible with the PS3, because the accounts had to be different to incorporate PSN, but on PC, that will not be the case.
benandjerrys WarRavens Imperium Eden 1	Posted - 2016.02.06 22:03:00 - [84] - Quote We have too much endgame content with our current experience rates to merit a 100% so initial npe would be a curbstomp. Ive been saying transneural skill packs so people dedicated here would get a headstart in EvE but that idea was initially received with alot of anger The butthurt is strong #bringbackjadek
byte modal 489	Posted - 2016.02.07 01:35:00 - [85] - Quote NIPPLETTES petition? We don't need no stinkin' puh-tishown!! What were we pwtitioning agsin? I like my name but all else is a carrier of the plague. BuRN THE WITCH!!! When i get home im logging my thsles suit. White glory of stfu right before im popped. Wait. Petition?? Kinda goes against your whole name brand thing no? The fs i give are to troll the forum hordes complso ing about being ripped off. And my gf. Omg mybtypng!!! Phone thumbing sux. Theres a joke or two in there about somebody's mom im sure, if you have the patience to dig around. Omg. Thats THREE potential mama jokes!!. M.eow beeeshes!!! Game OVER, may'n!!!! kitten bacon taco (nom)
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 525	Posted - 2016.02.07 04:05:00 - [86] - Quote Fierces Dave wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Fierces Dave wrote: I'll keep my name and maybe a little badge or something to show that I was from Dust 514 but it would make the game highly unbalanced if we transfer SP and ISK. This is a new game using IDEAS from Dust and lessons learned from Dust. This is not a port people. I'd like to point out EVE vets have significantly more SP than a noob. There is also different secs in the game where they can't attack you if you are a noob. They also have a shrinking player base for a reason.... Check their subscription numbers. People don't want to be late to the party.
Git Gud Bruh 0.P. 182	Posted - 2016.02.07 07:33:00 - [87] - Quote Murder Medic wrote: So long as I can keep my name I'm good. Though it would be kind of nice to have AUR purchases refunded in the form of AUR equivilant currency in the new game. That way your purchases aren't a complete waste. That said I don't mind starting over so long as everyone else is too. If I don't get to keep my name I will literally take my bass boat all the way to Iceland. I'll be in the Atlantic like severely angry mumbling "Rattati.....mumble mumble mumble, Frame.....mumble mumble mumble, Archduke.....mumble mumble mumble.....gonna Git Gud up in that main lobby with this mumble mumble round clip on this mumble mumble AR-10 mumble mumble laser sight mumble mumble, ever seen Rampage? mumble mumble." Whether you're going down with the ship or swimming for shore now, o7 faggots, I'm gonna miss you like a PLC would.
Reign Omega Eternal Beings I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 2	Posted - 2016.02.07 10:39:00 - [88] - Quote ID G4f wrote: Again, this thread is not a debate, it is a protest for those of us who want the one thing we came to dust for, a universe that doesn't end. If I wanted to start over every iteration I would play battlefield or call of duty. The players who want to start over just want to be on top of the new pecking order when they sign up day 1. It is not like everyone will stay equal, the nature of sp & isk means these players will start with a lead on those who do not have a gaming pc yet. Give us the same respect you give eve characters and let us live on the new game, no biomass. If you do not agree go rant elsewhere this thread is for those who do not want their character to die & are planning to walk away from ccp if our character's do die. Final fantasy xi is still running. 13 years on playstation 2. If I'm not mistaken they will finally close the servers next month. I know this is unrelated but I just figured I would point it out for all the doomsayers who swore dust couldn't last 10 years on ps3. With a properly built games, solid fanbase, and willing development games can outlive even the console they were built on. I know CCP isn't square enix, and dust certainly isn't ffxi, but its still valid. As far as the original post. Idgaf about keeping any of the shxt on my 3 characters. If ccp can reproduce the uniqueness of dust, and deliver on what they originally promised, even if it's only for pc, or even for a late ps4 port...I'll show up. I have been here since aug 2012 and all things end. If something better comes out of it that's cool. If not, thats cool too. Hell naw...to the naw naw naw...hell to the naw.
ID G4f Capital Acquisitions LLC The-Office 167	Posted - 2016.02.15 10:45:00 - [89] - Quote I love how people want to turn a petition into a debate. There are plenty of debate threads. The main point is by resetting our character's it means they could decide to reset character's once a year, it sets a precedent. If I want to start over I will go play a different game. Eve is known as a PERSISTENT GAME by creating a "new dust" and dumping our character's it destroys hope that our new character's would be worth investing in. And in my opinion the people who don't want a transfer probably don't plan on spending any cash on the new game either. Games need $ to survive but sure alienate all your paying customers and let all potential future customers know any $ spent can and will be turned a blind eye towards in a blink of an eye. This thread is just a simple hand raise to alert ccp of the customers they will be losing. I'm sure those that signed spent alot more $ on this game then those trying to derail this thread. and sure you trolls can laugh at me just for spending money here but that should mean something to the company making the $$$. 110mil sp and counting Playing since 2013-03-12 06:21 Bernie sanders for president! Finally a president of the people
byte modal 520	Posted - 2016.02.15 14:47:00 - [90] - Quote I doubt anyone is laughing at you because you spent money. A lot of us spent money and actually have different opinions. That's life. I would guess that if people are laughing at you, it's more likely that they're laughing at the silly way you are cornering your argument around yourself. Well, that and the irony of your name. Inventing a"what if" story to make your point as your only point is silly. If you want to make a legit argument then don't invent a precedent and use that AS your precedent. If you're going to try to paint it b/w like that, off of nothing i might add, then in b/w terms, it will be a new game. Period. I remember starting over with every FF I ever bought. I think that has already been established. In respect to the OP, my hand stays down. If we get anything then cool. That's MHO. kitten bacon taco (nom)

ID G4f Capital Acquisitions LLC The-Office 170	Posted - 2016.02.16 08:41:00 - [91] - Quote byte modal wrote: I doubt anyone is laughing at you because you spent money. A lot of us spent money and actually have different opinions. That's life. I would guess that if people are laughing at you, it's more likely that they're laughing at the silly way you are cornering your argument around yourself. Well, that and the irony of your name. Inventing a"what if" story to make your point as your only point is silly. If you want to make a legit argument then don't invent a precedent and use that AS your precedent. If you're going to try to paint it b/w like that, off of nothing i might add, then in b/w terms, it will be a new game. Period. I remember starting over with every FF I ever bought. I think that has already been established. In respect to the OP, my hand stays down. If we get anything then cool. That's MHO. Actually I have seen quite a few people laughing at the concept of people like me who spent money on this game to support it since it was "free" & "dead since the rogue wedding" and taking everything away only reinforces the concept that anyone spending $$ on the new game would be wasting it since a character reset will obviously be right around the corner. My 'self centered' way I make my argument is because I only speak for myself. The point of a 'petition' is it allows the developers to see who has the same opinion at a quick glance. But most people I know who have spent alot of $$$ on this game have a similar opinion. but if people have a different opinion they (and you) are Welcome to start a thread for a debate or opposing petition. Either way I do not try to voice opinions for other people. Lastly my 'what if' story is more about what dust 'could be' in no way is my argument based around it. I have just shown multiple ways our assets and progress could be mitigated without wiping our stats. As for my name. It stands. Idgaf. But just because idgaf about one thing, doesn't mean Idgaf about another. For example Idgaf about talking about giving a **** on a topic because you think my name disqualifies my opinion & that your opinion supersedes those other paying customers who have signed. Ccp can see who signed & how much they invested all on their own. Honestly I do not see why you feel the need to belittle my efforts instead of scrolling on if you disagree with my petition. Ccp will probably ignore this & transfer nothing anyways. Why is it a problem to you that I am giving customers who have decided to walk away (or at least not invest $$$) if no transfer is given, a chance to let the company know how they feel? 110mil sp and counting Playing since 2013-03-12 06:21 Bernie sanders for president! Finally a president of the people


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