Also worth pointing out. Are vets in EVE able to sell their skills to people that haven't or don't wish to grind?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with bringing everything you have into the new game! So it instantly causes problems for new players, how is that any different from the existing Dust, or EvE for that matter?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with keeping absolutely everything you have and porting across to the new game, in totum. That can be done and it's completely viable, with just a new front end running on PC.

What I really don't want to see, though is just another lobby shooter, like Dust has become. As part of the EvE universe, Dust on PC (DoPC) should be a sandbox, like EvE, were battles aren't scheduled, don't start and finish according to some sort of rules, are part of the EvE war system where appropriate, and otherwise, just generally part of the PvP world of EvE. Battles should EXIST wherever and whenever two or more players decide to duke it out, and there should be the scope for more people to arrive on either side to make it as even or as one-sided as those people want. This is what EvE is about, not the stylised battles of Dust.

Wherever possible EVERYTHING should and could be transferred across, just retaining the old database and building a new front end. Perhaps initially, it could stay in the JALS (Just Another Lobby Shooter) format before moving to a proper sandbox DoPC. But everything could and should transfer across.

Dust isn't EVe even if it's in that universe and connected . Also worth mentioning saving 6,000 isk on one fitting won't make me win or break the economy. PC did that for dust long ago

Also worth pointing out. Are vets in EVE able to sell their skills to people that haven't or don't wish to grind?

You will keep your name and that will be it.

You will be lucky to keep your AUR and any BPOs you have and all that AUR spent on boosters has been lost and used in vain.

But...but....my Council's Rep Tool.

Just a heads up, you signed no such contract with CCP that you'd get a lifetime supply of anything. If you thought that's what you were getting, you need to learn to be a smarter consumer. The nature of videogames that are hosted on external servers is that the plug can be pulled at any time, and for any reason. If you went in too deep with Aurum purchases then I feel bad for you, but at the end of the day you were buying temporary pixels... they may have been 'permanent' in-game, but unfortunately there is no such thing in real life.

Not to mention a newer playerbase you could have a tiered system. You wanna tangle with noobs? You can wear the same level of stuff as them.

The nature of the EvE universe is persistence...

No there's no such contract, other than the EULA, but there is a reasonable expectation that if you pay out money for something you will get what you paid for. If that's "unlimited", "infinite", or any other permutation of the infinity symbol that's against all BPOs then you should expect to be able to keep using it, at least in the EvE universe, for as long as it exists. EvE will shut down eventuatlly, one day, maybe, perhaps after a few generations of new players have passed through, perhaps, just maybe. But until then, if you've paid for a BPO, a skin, or anything else that's supposed to be perpetual, we should have access to it.

I'll agree that it's a weird edge-case as far as this goes, but the post from CCP made it pretty clear that the new game will be like Dust but not actually Dust. If it were a more straight-forward 'Dust514 is being ported to PS4' then yea, I'd say that a full transfer would be appropriate. But I think CCP have realized how badly they messed up the economy and have deliberately avoided stating that they're continuing Dust on PC so they have a chance to start fresh.

You paid for items in Dust, but now Dust is over. In a while there'll be a new New Eden FPS, but it's not Dust.

I'll agree that it's a weird edge-case as far as this goes, but the post from CCP made it pretty clear that the new game will be like Dust but not actually Dust. If it were a more straight-forward 'Dust514 is being ported to PS4' then yea, I'd say that a full transfer would be appropriate. But I think CCP have realized how badly they messed up the economy and have deliberately avoided stating that they're continuing Dust on PC so they have a chance to start fresh.

You paid for items in Dust, but now Dust is over. In a while there'll be a new New Eden FPS, but it's not Dust.

Exactly.

EVERYTHING can be kept, if CCP wants to. Creating a brand new database is a helluva lot harder than just using the existing one with a new front end for DoPC. New functionality is the only reason they would change anything, and that can be done as part of the transition process, or even after the new system is implemented.

But!

That misses the entire point of the EvE universe where absolutely anything can happen. In EvE PvP (sorry for the oxymoron), people can and do take on others of completely different capabilities, and sometimes that works out differently from what you'd expect. If a noob takes on a vet, most likely that noob will come off second best. If a vet takes on a noob in hisec, the vet will come off second best because of violation of the hisec rules. In losec or nullsec, ANYTHING goes. In hisec, noobs are relatively protected. It won't mean that you can't be attacked, only that your attacker will definitely lose a ship.

It's a different world from the one that most Dusters are used to. It's a better world than what Dust has become, with a lot more opportunities.

BPOs *as used in Dust* break the EvE economy. But BPOs themselves don't. EvE uses BPOs and BPCs (blueprint copies with limited runs) to manufacture items which can be bought for ISK. We actually need BPOs if we are going to be able to have unlimited numbers of anything. And we need the ISK to buy the materials and manufacturing time to make them, so we should not be so ready to give up our ISK, either.

I think there's a place for BPO style suits - Militia level suits with Militia level equipment that doesn't run out, similar to the clothing items we have in EvE, where likewise, once bought we don't lose them. But anything better than that should be bought for ISK and made from BPs (either Originals or Copies).

Like I said, we have no idea what they'll do. We don't know what or if anything will transfer. Names are useless in scope. If I knew I'd get to keep my stuff I will definitely 100% return because I would feel what I put into the game would still be around to enjoy. I understand that this will be a new game and we may get nothing, as such I am prepared for that reality.

I just don't feel having BPOs (basic) or skins are game breaking. I mean heck most people given the chance would run Proto all day. Eh, we shall see.

Technically we could keep our SP, CCP have geared EVE to a way that a new player can be competetive even against guys liek my EVE toon who are 12yrs old, be it accelerated progression for the first few weeks/months and introducing smaller tier ships with roles that were once skill intense.

Now the game is moving to PC CCP couple introduce the idea i had of linked accounts between EVE and DUST2.0 where EVE subs will grant certain monthly perks to the DUST2.0 accounts in a way that ESO players who sub get a monthly allowance given to them of various items and gold.

that way the guys who have piled loads of cash into boosters to get SP don't miss out too much, but new players from EVE can benefit from their EVE sub helping them grow in DUST2.0, and of course, it may lead to an increase in EVE subs if those of us that may want the extra perks can get 2 games for 1 sub

There is also different secs in the game where they can't attack you if you are a noob.

So long as I can keep my name I'm good. Though it would be kind of nice to have AUR purchases refunded in the form of AUR equivilant currency in the new game.

That way your purchases aren't a complete waste.

That said I don't mind starting over so long as everyone else is too.

Again, this thread is not a debate, it is a protest for those of us who want the one thing we came to dust for, a universe that doesn't end. If I wanted to start over every iteration I would play battlefield or call of duty. The players who want to start over just want to be on top of the new pecking order when they sign up day 1. It is not like everyone will stay equal, the nature of sp & isk means these players will start with a lead on those who do not have a gaming pc yet. Give us the same respect you give eve characters and let us live on the new game, no biomass. If you do not agree go rant elsewhere this thread is for those who do not want their character to die & are planning to walk away from ccp if our character's do die.