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TIGER SHARK1501
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Posted - 2016.02.05 13:45:00 -
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My skins and BPOS are key to me returning. I'd like my SP too being that almost 3 years in and I can play every role I want without grinding as if it's my job. Isk can go to the wind. |
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Posted - 2016.02.05 13:57:00 -
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The Modern Creature wrote:BPO's as you know them will not be transferred or maybe not in the new game at all. They're trying to run on the EVE Economy and BPO's just completely break it. If you want to keep your BPO's the only solution I see that will be coming is that you'll have to manufacture them yourself.
Edit: Petition not signed. A basic BPO is not game breaking. You really feel me running my Dren swarm launcher and Basic Ammar Logi will break the game or economy? |
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Posted - 2016.02.05 14:00:00 -
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Fierces Dave wrote:I'll keep my name and maybe a little badge or something to show that I was from Dust 514 but it would make the game highly unbalanced if we transfer SP and ISK. This is a new game using IDEAS from Dust and lessons learned from Dust. This is not a port people. I'd like to point out EVE vets have significantly more SP than a noob. |
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Posted - 2016.02.05 14:52:00 -
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Fierces Dave wrote:TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:Fierces Dave wrote:I'll keep my name and maybe a little badge or something to show that I was from Dust 514 but it would make the game highly unbalanced if we transfer SP and ISK. This is a new game using IDEAS from Dust and lessons learned from Dust. This is not a port people. I'd like to point out EVE vets have significantly more SP than a noob. There is also different secs in the game where they can't attack you if you are a noob. I asked on many occasions for tier lock with negativity from many vets and silence from Devs. |
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Posted - 2016.02.05 21:46:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:The Modern Creature wrote:BPO's as you know them will not be transferred or maybe not in the new game at all. They're trying to run on the EVE Economy and BPO's just completely break it. If you want to keep your BPO's the only solution I see that will be coming is that you'll have to manufacture them yourself.
Edit: Petition not signed. BPOs *as used in Dust* break the EvE economy. But BPOs themselves don't. EvE uses BPOs and BPCs (blueprint copies with limited runs) to manufacture items which can be bought for ISK. We actually need BPOs if we are going to be able to have unlimited numbers of anything. And we need the ISK to buy the materials and manufacturing time to make them, so we should not be so ready to give up our ISK, either. I think there's a place for BPO style suits - Militia level suits with Militia level equipment that doesn't run out, similar to the clothing items we have in EvE, where likewise, once bought we don't lose them. But anything better than that should be bought for ISK and made from BPs (either Originals or Copies). Dust isn't EVe even if it's in that universe and connected . Also worth mentioning saving 6,000 isk on one fitting won't make me win or break the economy. PC did that for dust long ago |
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Posted - 2016.02.05 21:48:00 -
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Fierces Dave wrote:I'll keep my name and maybe a little badge or something to show that I was from Dust 514 but it would make the game highly unbalanced if we transfer SP and ISK. This is a new game using IDEAS from Dust and lessons learned from Dust. This is not a port people. Also worth pointing out. Are vets in EVE able to sell their skills to people that haven't or don't wish to grind? |
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Posted - 2016.02.05 21:53:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:No. You won't be able to CREATE skill points, only buy them from someone who's already earnt them. Yes, you will be able to buy skill points from other people but they will lose those skill points in the process. Not quite what you're indicating here. You said exactly what I thought! Thank you. |
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Posted - 2016.02.05 21:54:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:You will keep your name and that will be it.
You will be lucky to keep your AUR and any BPOs you have and all that AUR spent on boosters has been lost and used in vain. But...but....my Council's Rep Tool. |
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Posted - 2016.02.05 22:03:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:jade gamester wrote:ID G4f wrote:This thread is not a debate on whether you think it is a good idea, just a head count of people like me who joined dust to not have to start over again. If you biomass us, i will not be returning to start over. As it will just keep happening. The continuous nature of the universe is what brought me here & will be the only thing that will tear me away. If anyone else will not be returning without their character's x up & be heard. Even if it doesn't mean anything. You have to look at it logically speaking. This game has been abused with isk glitch to the point we can all run proto forever. And SP wise I'm sitting at 108mil. With 12 proto suits, and proto tank. Bringing that to the next game will instantly cause problems for new players. I think visualisations and bpos should be brought over, and also a reward for what loyalty level we are in dust but that's sensible to me There is absolutely nothing wrong with bringing everything you have into the new game! So it instantly causes problems for new players, how is that any different from the existing Dust, or EvE for that matter? There is absolutely nothing wrong with keeping absolutely everything you have and porting across to the new game, in totum. That can be done and it's completely viable, with just a new front end running on PC. What I really don't want to see, though is just another lobby shooter, like Dust has become. As part of the EvE universe, Dust on PC (DoPC) should be a sandbox, like EvE, were battles aren't scheduled, don't start and finish according to some sort of rules, are part of the EvE war system where appropriate, and otherwise, just generally part of the PvP world of EvE. Battles should EXIST wherever and whenever two or more players decide to duke it out, and there should be the scope for more people to arrive on either side to make it as even or as one-sided as those people want. This is what EvE is about, not the stylised battles of Dust. Wherever possible EVERYTHING should and could be transferred across, just retaining the old database and building a new front end. Perhaps initially, it could stay in the JALS (Just Another Lobby Shooter) format before moving to a proper sandbox DoPC. But everything could and should transfer across. Not to mention a newer playerbase you could have a tiered system. You wanna tangle with noobs? You can wear the same level of stuff as them. |
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Posted - 2016.02.06 01:24:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:Kobija Hakaisou wrote:We paid for it. We want it. If you pay for a lifetime supply of...jerky...and i tell you after half a year that we dont want to give you any more, you should be refunded in some way. Just a heads up, you signed no such contract with CCP that you'd get a lifetime supply of anything. If you thought that's what you were getting, you need to learn to be a smarter consumer. The nature of videogames that are hosted on external servers is that the plug can be pulled at any time, and for any reason. If you went in too deep with Aurum purchases then I feel bad for you, but at the end of the day you were buying temporary pixels... they may have been 'permanent' in-game, but unfortunately there is no such thing in real life. The nature of the EvE universe is persistence... No there's no such contract, other than the EULA, but there is a reasonable expectation that if you pay out money for something you will get what you paid for. If that's "unlimited", "infinite", or any other permutation of the infinity symbol that's against all BPOs then you should expect to be able to keep using it, at least in the EvE universe, for as long as it exists. EvE will shut down eventuatlly, one day, maybe, perhaps after a few generations of new players have passed through, perhaps, just maybe. But until then, if you've paid for a BPO, a skin, or anything else that's supposed to be perpetual, we should have access to it. I'll agree that it's a weird edge-case as far as this goes, but the post from CCP made it pretty clear that the new game will be like Dust but not actually Dust. If it were a more straight-forward 'Dust514 is being ported to PS4' then yea, I'd say that a full transfer would be appropriate. But I think CCP have realized how badly they messed up the economy and have deliberately avoided stating that they're continuing Dust on PC so they have a chance to start fresh. You paid for items in Dust, but now Dust is over. In a while there'll be a new New Eden FPS, but it's not Dust. PC destroyed the economy rather well. BPOs did not especially in comparison to people in mega corps that did multiple PC matches in a day or farmed districts in the early days for boat loads of isk. |
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Posted - 2016.02.06 13:17:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:You will keep your name and that will be it.
You will be lucky to keep your AUR and any BPOs you have and all that AUR spent on boosters has been lost and used in vain. But...but....my Council's Rep Tool. Exactly. EVERYTHING can be kept, if CCP wants to. Creating a brand new database is a helluva lot harder than just using the existing one with a new front end for DoPC. New functionality is the only reason they would change anything, and that can be done as part of the transition process, or even after the new system is implemented. Like I said, we have no idea what they'll do. We don't know what or if anything will transfer. Names are useless in scope. If I knew I'd get to keep my stuff I will definitely 100% return because I would feel what I put into the game would still be around to enjoy. I understand that this will be a new game and we may get nothing, as such I am prepared for that reality.
I just don't feel having BPOs (basic) or skins are game breaking. I mean heck most people given the chance would run Proto all day. Eh, we shall see. |
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Posted - 2016.02.06 13:21:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:Not to mention a newer playerbase you could have a tiered system. You wanna tangle with noobs? You can wear the same level of stuff as them. But! That misses the entire point of the EvE universe where absolutely anything can happen. In EvE PvP (sorry for the oxymoron), people can and do take on others of completely different capabilities, and sometimes that works out differently from what you'd expect. If a noob takes on a vet, most likely that noob will come off second best. If a vet takes on a noob in hisec, the vet will come off second best because of violation of the hisec rules. In losec or nullsec, ANYTHING goes. In hisec, noobs are relatively protected. It won't mean that you can't be attacked, only that your attacker will definitely lose a ship. It's a different world from the one that most Dusters are used to. It's a better world than what Dust has become, with a lot more opportunities. I'm aware. Who's to say a teird or low sec battles couldn't have similar consequences in the next game? |
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