DUST Search - The arguement defending CCP's silence

Git Gud Bruh wrote:

deezy dabest wrote:

The silence is just another chapter in the horror story that is the treatment of Dust as a whole.

In years now not a single bit of real progress has been made while "balancing" has been used as an excuse to say they are working on the game.

Less vehicles than before.

Less maps than before.

NPE is absolute trash.

PC is just as useless as it was before and now you even get to wonder if the match will get randomly cancelled.

Lag has gone from being primarily a PC issue to also being a problem in every other game mode.

Cash grabbing proficiency 10 was achieved in the form of a half finished 2d model.

I have never in my life seen a company that drastically reduced quality all while asking for more money and then people have the nerve to act like they are the victim when paying customers complain and ask the company to at least show some real effort on meeting their promises as oppose to just dumping them like trash and running of to work on some crappy VR projects.

If you don't like people rightfully complaining then don't read it.

Agreed. The game is literally in some of the worst shape it's ever been. The lagspikes are constant, the framerate issues are as bad as ever, PC is worse than it was pre-"fix pc", they've spent months doing nothing, the last dev post on the forums was 3 months ago and that was to tell someone to stfu. I paid my dues, I bought my aur, I put in the hours, where's my customer service? I've had 2 help tickets for 2 MONTHS! The latinos have overrun the servers and own 75% of molden heath because they're too laggy to fight, hit detection is as awful as it ever was....and on top of that we're still waiting on news about....ANYTHING! If I take my car to a mechanic, I have every right to ***** about it if he closes up shop for 3 months and tells me absolutely nothing about my car after I've prepaid for repairs.

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byte modal 369	Posted - 2016.01.09 16:56:00 - [31] - Quote You mean you didn't get AUR when paid for it? You didn't get boosters when you paid for it? What other items from the market place were you promised and did not receive when you clicked purchase? I'd submit a ticket if i were you. kitten bacon taco (nom)
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2016.01.09 17:21:00 - [32] - Quote applause Not only did you echo the feeling in my heart... You managed to collect damn near the entire set of forum complainers. We're missing maybe two of them. Lmao Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2016.01.09 19:10:00 - [33] - Quote byte modal wrote: ^ You mean you didn't get AUR when paid for it? You didn't get boosters when you paid for it? What other items from the market place were you promised and did not receive when you clicked purchase? I'd submit a ticket if i were you. The problem here is you're looking at the product within the product, whereas I'm just looking at the product as a whole. Many people only put money into this game to help support its development, yet this game has had a horrible development cycle that constantly takes one step forward and two steps back. For every good little tweak the devs manage to squeeze out, three bugs have gone unfixed for years. It seems like any profits from this game are simply being funneled out of DUST and into other projects, and has for some time. If you think sweet mashed potatos tastes like vanilla ice cream than who am I to come between you two? If any of my posts seem severely negative, it's probably because they are.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 4	Posted - 2016.01.09 19:17:00 - [34] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: There is one word that, to me, means silence is golden. Now I believe this word is Icelandic, but I could be wrong. Anyway, here it is: INCARNA I am guessing you are referring to the fact that CCP flapped their gums and not only failed to deliver but also managed to do only things that players hated. I would agree with you if it was not for that amazing little thing called a middle ground. You can talk to players and announce what you are working on if you are actual able to deliver. Speaking to people does not mean you have to just shout out every idea you have even when you have a serious record of not being able to complete things in a timely or efficient manner. o7 All #514InTheWind
byte modal 369	Posted - 2016.01.09 20:19:00 - [35] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: byte modal wrote: ^ You mean you didn't get AUR when paid for it? You didn't get boosters when you paid for it? What other items from the market place were you promised and did not receive when you clicked purchase? I'd submit a ticket if i were you. The problem here is you're looking at the product within the product, whereas I'm just looking at the product as a whole. Many people only put money into this game to help support its development, yet this game has had a horrible development cycle that constantly takes one step forward and two steps back. For every good little tweak the devs manage to squeeze out, three bugs have gone unfixed for years. It seems like any profits from this game are simply being funneled out of DUST and into other projects, and has for some time. If you think sweet mashed potatos tastes like vanilla ice cream than who am I to come between you two? You know, i don't necessarily disagree with your frustration of the development, but we're talking of two different things. There is only a product within that we have paid for. The product as you describe was free. Period. To use your own analogy, it's rather silly for me to pay for vanilla ice cream which is a consumable product, then have a tantrum because I assumed that my purchase entitled me to more than one serving of vanilla icecream. Or worse an indefinate supply of it as well as so much more that was not on the menu. Your perception is assumption only. Reality is still what it is. But please do continue whining over a F2P video game that you chose to pay for. Noone bought the game unless you count those that bought the bundled ps3. Still though, they bought a PS3 that happened to have a game included that would otherwise have been free. There was no scam. You (or whoever we're talking about) paid for a consumable. You (whoever) then consumed it. A degree off, some ended up with BPOs and infinite gear (within the confines of the game) for the price of a consumable product. Yet you're comparing that to sweet mashed potatoes for wtfever that means. No. You got your ice cream, ate it, in some cases got a second helping with BPOs and APEX, then you still have the willful ignorance to throw a tantrum twisting what has actually transpired into something where you claim you have been slighted. If my family member paid me for ice cream and i gave it, and the kid demanded more accusing me of giving him potatoes instead, I'd advice the kid to grow up and laugh because there's a long hard reality waiting for him. If the kid is an adult, then I'd suggest therapy for delusions of self entitlement. Could be symptomatic of something more serious. ...for whoever we're talking about, that is. Full Disclosure: i never really liked sweet potatoes kitten bacon taco (nom)
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2016.01.09 20:27:00 - [36] - Quote See I'm not whining though, whining would imply that I care and want something in return. I am so far beyond that point. I accept that I invested my money poorly in a poorly managed project, as you say, this is simply reality. However to just shut up because I'm displeased with the project is just as futile as lavishing them with praise for it. So, I'd rather tell people like it is than try to give them hope over something that has none. Perhaps my analogy is off, but it doesn't take much to see how poorly this project has been handled and how dismal of a future it currently has. If any of my posts seem severely negative, it's probably because they are.
byte modal 369	Posted - 2016.01.09 20:40:00 - [37] - Quote Yeah, i used "you" generically. I had hoped to clarify that i didn't mean you specifically. Maybe i didn't do that well enough. You're last points are fair. I only had issue with the notion that we were given something less than what some of us paid for. Not that i disagree with the frustration in CCP's mishandling of public relations. Or whatever. kitten bacon taco (nom)
SHADOWBlood ASSASSIN Eternal Beings I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 342	Posted - 2016.01.10 04:55:00 - [38] - Quote I think this is hilarious, so I'm gonna say that I was simply doing this to see what reactions I could get from people. I was counting on "bitchception" comments, but some of the other stuff is funny in a way I wasn't expecting. Devil's advocate is fun, I'm gonna do this more often =D "When my nine in d-ck goes from your jaw to the back of your throat, please, do not f-cking complain!" -Makaveli
castba 1	Posted - 2016.01.10 07:58:00 - [39] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Why does anyone in the DUST community think anything is getting fixed? Tweaked perhaps, fixed? Lol, no. Perhaps if there is a rebuild without the hardware restrictions. Perhaps. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Djinn SouI Molden Heath PoIice Department 174	Posted - 2016.01.10 08:25:00 - [40] - Quote Why do you scrubs act so surprised? This is definitely not a new occurence. Your stupidity is giving me an aneurysm.

Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2	Posted - 2016.01.10 10:13:00 - [41] - Quote Git Gud Bruh wrote: deezy dabest wrote: The silence is just another chapter in the horror story that is the treatment of Dust as a whole. In years now not a single bit of real progress has been made while "balancing" has been used as an excuse to say they are working on the game. Less vehicles than before. Less maps than before. NPE is absolute trash. PC is just as useless as it was before and now you even get to wonder if the match will get randomly cancelled. Lag has gone from being primarily a PC issue to also being a problem in every other game mode. Cash grabbing proficiency 10 was achieved in the form of a half finished 2d model. I have never in my life seen a company that drastically reduced quality all while asking for more money and then people have the nerve to act like they are the victim when paying customers complain and ask the company to at least show some real effort on meeting their promises as oppose to just dumping them like trash and running of to work on some crappy VR projects. If you don't like people rightfully complaining then don't read it. Agreed. The game is literally in some of the worst shape it's ever been. The lagspikes are constant, the framerate issues are as bad as ever, PC is worse than it was pre-"fix pc", they've spent months doing nothing, the last dev post on the forums was 3 months ago and that was to tell someone to stfu. I paid my dues, I bought my aur, I put in the hours, where's my customer service? I've had 2 help tickets for 2 MONTHS! The latinos have overrun the servers and own 75% of molden heath because they're too laggy to fight, hit detection is as awful as it ever was....and on top of that we're still waiting on news about....ANYTHING! If I take my car to a mechanic, I have every right to *** about it if he closes up shop for 3 months and tells me absolutely nothing about my car after I've prepaid for repairs. You are both completely sidestepped the OP's point and arguing another. He's not saying 'quit your bitching because I am tired of reading it', he's saying 'Quit your bitching because that's what started the issue you're bitching about now and certainly won't fix it' añ¼añ+añ¦-añ¬añ+añƒañ¦-añÿañ¿añ+añ+añ¦-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ "Baal comes...and destruction follows him like a storm."** añ¿añ+añ¦añ¿aÑìaññañ¦añ+añ¿aÑìañºañòañ+añ¦añ+aññ-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ-añ¦añ¦añÖaÑìañù
ANON Cerberus TerranProtossZerg 1	Posted - 2016.01.10 13:33:00 - [42] - Quote How dare we criticise poor design and implementation of a ps3 game! How dare we offer genuine support, feedback and ideas about one of our favourite games! I mean in this day and age its not like we have a plethora of other games to choose from...... (oh w8 m8 we do echh??)
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2016.01.10 14:25:00 - [43] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: You are both completely sidestepped the OP's point and arguing another. He's not saying 'quit your bitching because I am tired of reading it', he's saying 'Quit your bitching because that's what started the issue you're bitching about now and certainly won't fix it' Fairly certain CCPs drunk driving drove us into this tree, our bitching didn't change that one way or the other. Aside from the fact the OP claims to be trolling us, this is total horse ** cuz back in the day for every one thread that complained there were two lavishing CCP with unwarranted praise. The ** goes both ways. If any of my posts seem severely negative, it's probably because they are.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 5	Posted - 2016.01.10 15:50:00 - [44] - Quote The game started like no other I've played in every sense. New concept in gameplay, new concept in development. Dev were actually listening us, stuff we had suggested has been brought into the game. We felt the interaction and took it as an habit. The fact CCP is breaking this habit is pissing the most of us. Quite simple to understand. Regressed to blueberry level =ƒÿ»
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2	Posted - 2016.01.10 18:36:00 - [45] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: You are both completely sidestepped the OP's point and arguing another. He's not saying 'quit your bitching because I am tired of reading it', he's saying 'Quit your bitching because that's what started the issue you're bitching about now and certainly won't fix it' Fairly certain CCPs drunk driving drove us into this tree, our bitching didn't change that one way or the other. Aside from the fact the OP claims to be trolling us, this is total horse ** cuz back in the day for every one thread that complained there were two lavishing CCP with unwarranted praise. The goes both ways. If I implied that CCP's game design issues are due to people bitching, that was not my intention. Basically I was saying that you people are bitching because of CCP's silence, which was brought on BY your bitching and more bitching isn't going to make them suddenly start opening up. If anything it's showing them they are right to keep their mouths shut until they have something to show us. You (perhaps not you specifically) toxic *** brought this silence on yourselves and now you're complaining about the concequences of your actions. Congrats. añ¼añ+añ¦-añ¬añ+añƒañ¦-añÿañ¿añ+añ+añ¦-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ "Baal comes...and destruction follows him like a storm."** añ¿añ+añ¦añ¿aÑìaññañ¦añ+añ¿aÑìañºañòañ+añ¦añ+aññ-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ-añ¦añ¦añÖaÑìañù
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2016.01.10 19:36:00 - [46] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: You are both completely sidestepped the OP's point and arguing another. He's not saying 'quit your bitching because I am tired of reading it', he's saying 'Quit your bitching because that's what started the issue you're bitching about now and certainly won't fix it' Fairly certain CCPs drunk driving drove us into this tree, our bitching didn't change that one way or the other. Aside from the fact the OP claims to be trolling us, this is total horse ** cuz back in the day for every one thread that complained there were two lavishing CCP with unwarranted praise. The goes both ways. If I implied that CCP's game design issues are due to people bitching, that was not my intention. Basically I was saying that you people are bitching because of CCP's silence, which was brought on BY your bitching and more bitching isn't going to make them suddenly start opening up. If anything it's showing them they are right to keep their mouths shut until they have something to show us. You (perhaps not you specifically) toxic *** brought this silence on yourselves and now you're complaining about the concequences of your actions. Congrats. Don't you dare not call me a toxic I think if CCP actually did what they said in the first place this would probably be less of an issue. Every game community EVER has people who *** till the cows come home, that's nothing new. Having company reps constantly tell you one thing then come out with another, that seems to be more of a CCP thing. I don't blame them for being quiet, no one really trusts their word anymore so even telling us things would probably breed just as much mistrust as them staying silent. It's just hard to have any hope for an IP when the very company who spawned it seems all but disconnected from it. If any of my posts seem severely negative, it's probably because they are.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 4	Posted - 2016.01.10 19:58:00 - [47] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: You are both completely sidestepped the OP's point and arguing another. He's not saying 'quit your bitching because I am tired of reading it', he's saying 'Quit your bitching because that's what started the issue you're bitching about now and certainly won't fix it' Fairly certain CCPs drunk driving drove us into this tree, our bitching didn't change that one way or the other. Aside from the fact the OP claims to be trolling us, this is total horse ** cuz back in the day for every one thread that complained there were two lavishing CCP with unwarranted praise. The goes both ways. If I implied that CCP's game design issues are due to people bitching, that was not my intention. Basically I was saying that you people are bitching because of CCP's silence, which was brought on BY your bitching and more bitching isn't going to make them suddenly start opening up. If anything it's showing them they are right to keep their mouths shut until they have something to show us. You (perhaps not you specifically) toxic *** brought this silence on yourselves and now you're complaining about the concequences of your actions. Congrats. At the end of the day CCP is at fault and needs to answer for their actions. Terrible management has wilted the community down to nothing but toxic players and real fans. Unfortunately the toxicity far out numbers those who give a crap about this game going anywhere. If CCP did not give legitimate reasons to *** then the said bitching would hold zero weight and have no bearing on the outcome because it would be recognized as pessimist grumblings. Stop playing white knight for CCP attempting to play the role of their PR department and shift blame around. If the government were to take the colossal mess that it is and say oh we are not going to talk to anyone until we get a solution don't you think there would be rioting in the streets after the first few weeks? We are sitting at months from CCP and you continue to defend them and blame others. LOL does not even begin to cover it. o7 All #514InTheWind !@#$!#@!$$@@#$@$!$ Snap out of the Stockholm Syndrome guys.
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL RUST415 716	Posted - 2016.01.10 20:03:00 - [48] - Quote What MUST BE FIXED if possible to keep game alive on ps3. 1.End of match victory/defeat screen that last for way to long. (Fix needed) just to make the game playable 2. Q times for matches that are NO Where near what the interface says they should be. (fix needed) just to make the game playable 3.Alot of Disconnects including going into match and one of squad can't get in match. What fixes would be nice to have. 1.Skins work in MCC 2.fix sticky steps on dom map
byte modal 369	Posted - 2016.01.10 20:17:00 - [49] - Quote Comparing a video game to government shutdown? I imagine it's less white-knighting CCP and more calling players out for BS hyperbole. Seriously people, this is beyond silly. Make an argument and use valid points. Even if others disagree, it's still respectable the intent and is a genuine effort. Otherwise it's kindergarten politics. Just a suggestion. Wtf is with forums and blowing **** so far out of proportion to try to validate an argument? It's unnecessary and seems counter productive. Honest question. kitten bacon taco (nom)
7th Son 7 Hakuna Matatah Inc 1	Posted - 2016.01.10 20:28:00 - [50] - Quote Brush Master back in April of last year had a wonderful idea that possibly would have given new game play mechanics to the game, that we all could have enjoyed. His idea was so good that Ratatti said he would look into this idea, and then nothing. There are multple cases like this, the fact that CCP won't follow through with simple things like looking into something when they say they will and then just leaving OP to flail in the wind, is bull. It's things like this compounded with the silence that is causing resentment imo. Oh, let's also not forget about the 5 vs. 13 matches that are just so much fun to play. Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ----- OSHO

Soto Gallente BLUEBERRIES WITH AUTISM RUST415 196	Posted - 2016.01.10 20:31:00 - [51] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: Brush Master back in April of last year had a wonderful idea that possibly would have given new game play mechanics to the game, that we all could have enjoyed. His idea was so good that Ratatti said he would look into this idea, and then nothing. There are multple cases like this, the fact that CCP won't follow through with simple things like looking into something when they say they will and then just leaving OP to flail in the wind, is bull. It's things like this compounded with the silence that is causing resentment imo. Oh, let's also not forget about the 5 vs. 13 matches that are just so much fun to play. Have you ever considered that maybe they have looked into it but were not able to complete it due to the current resources? Ex-news reporter for The Scope
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 4	Posted - 2016.01.10 20:41:00 - [52] - Quote byte modal wrote: Comparing a video game to government shutdown? I imagine it's less white-knighting CCP and more calling players out for BS hyperbole. Seriously people, this is beyond silly. Make an argument and use valid points. Even if others disagree, it's still respectable the intent and is a genuine effort. Otherwise it's kindergarten politics. Just a suggestion. Wtf is with forums and blowing **** so far out of proportion to try to validate an argument? It's unnecessary and seems counter productive. Honest question. CCP is the ruling power over the game even more so than any government of a country. We attempt to be participants in said game and even contribute time and money to its existence. Just because you would rather look at the scope of the two things being compared instead of the comparison itself does not make the argument any less valid. It is absolutely white knighting for CCP. If having a company that has seriously broken its promises in the past say hey we got something great just spend money and then go full on iron curtain is not a reason to complain then I legitimately do not know what is. As for complaining before the silence I stand by my original statement. Any complaining was first validated by CCP's actions otherwise it would have been shrugged off as nonsense instead of growing and festering. o7 All #514InTheWind !@#$!#@!$$@@#$@$!$ Snap out of the Stockholm Syndrome guys.
7th Son 7 Hakuna Matatah Inc 1	Posted - 2016.01.10 20:47:00 - [53] - Quote Soto Gallente wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: Brush Master back in April of last year had a wonderful idea that possibly would have given new game play mechanics to the game, that we all could have enjoyed. His idea was so good that Ratatti said he would look into this idea, and then nothing. There are multple cases like this, the fact that CCP won't follow through with simple things like looking into something when they say they will and then just leaving OP to flail in the wind, is bull. It's things like this compounded with the silence that is causing resentment imo. Oh, let's also not forget about the 5 vs. 13 matches that are just so much fun to play. Have you ever considered that maybe they have looked into it but were not able to complete it due to the current resources? If that were indeed the case, I would expect CCP to let the OP know so I don't have to watch him come lo his thread every 3 months looking for any word back. If you're curious, I think the thread is page 4 or 5 under Features/Ideas section written by Brush Master. Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ----- OSHO
Soto Gallente BLUEBERRIES WITH AUTISM RUST415 196	Posted - 2016.01.10 20:49:00 - [54] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: byte modal wrote: Comparing a video game to government shutdown? I imagine it's less white-knighting CCP and more calling players out for BS hyperbole. Seriously people, this is beyond silly. Make an argument and use valid points. Even if others disagree, it's still respectable the intent and is a genuine effort. Otherwise it's kindergarten politics. Just a suggestion. Wtf is with forums and blowing **** so far out of proportion to try to validate an argument? It's unnecessary and seems counter productive. Honest question. CCP is the ruling power over the game even more so than any government of a country. We attempt to be participants in said game and even contribute time and money to its existence. Just because you would rather look at the scope of the two things being compared instead of the comparison itself does not make the argument any less valid. It is absolutely white knighting for CCP. If having a company that has seriously broken its promises in the past say hey we got something great just spend money and then go full on iron curtain is not a reason to complain then I legitimately do not know what is. As for complaining before the silence I stand by my original statement. Any complaining was first validated by CCP's actions otherwise it would have been shrugged off as nonsense instead of growing and festering. CCP does not have complete control over the game. We don't even know who to blame for not having a port. What is Sony is responsible for not letting us have a port? What if it is CCP? The world is filled with what if statements, without solid facts and evidence none of them can be answered to its fullest extent. Ex-news reporter for The Scope
Soto Gallente BLUEBERRIES WITH AUTISM RUST415 196	Posted - 2016.01.10 20:51:00 - [55] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: Soto Gallente wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: Brush Master back in April of last year had a wonderful idea that possibly would have given new game play mechanics to the game, that we all could have enjoyed. His idea was so good that Ratatti said he would look into this idea, and then nothing. There are multple cases like this, the fact that CCP won't follow through with simple things like looking into something when they say they will and then just leaving OP to flail in the wind, is bull. It's things like this compounded with the silence that is causing resentment imo. Oh, let's also not forget about the 5 vs. 13 matches that are just so much fun to play. Have you ever considered that maybe they have looked into it but were not able to complete it due to the current resources? If that were indeed the case, I would expect CCP to let the OP know so I don't have to watch him come lo his thread every 3 months looking for any word back. If you're curious, I think the thread is page 4 or 5 under Features/Ideas section written by Brush Master. I know of the thread you speak of. Even still, CCP has no commitment to respond. In fact it might be because of NDA even, though I doubt it. Frickin' NDA, bane of my existence. Ex-news reporter for The Scope
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 4	Posted - 2016.01.10 20:52:00 - [56] - Quote Soto Gallente wrote: CCP does not have complete control over the game. We don't even know who to blame for not having a port. What is Sony is responsible for not letting us have a port? What if it is CCP? The world is filled with what if statements, without solid facts and evidence none of them can be answered to its fullest extent. CCP has shown that they are more than willing and able to jump to PC. Sony will publish any game that pays the dues and passes the QA checks. We saw that with the fact that they published Dust in the first place. Your point is taken tho. Ifs are nothing more than ifs. Specifically when you have a company absolutely stone walling everyone. o7 All #514InTheWind !@#$!#@!$$@@#$@$!$ Snap out of the Stockholm Syndrome guys.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2016.01.11 05:01:00 - [57] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: SHADOWBlood ASSASSIN wrote: Can't say I'm surprised at this feedback, but it doesn't help my opinion of you forum users in the slightest. Also, yes, Dreis, I am, in fact, bitching about other people bitching. So now you're bitching about him bitching about your bitching about other people bitching? So you're bitching about him bitching about me bitching about him bitching about other people bitching? Well.... yes. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.


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