I'm seeing a lot of blatant unadulterated scrubbery lately. Guys in any suit, using any weapons. The suit bonuses mean nothing. They just use whatever they want, in whatever suit they happen to be wearing.

I say a Rasetsu today with the State Rail Rifle swapped out for a Killswitch GEK-38 Assault Rifle. No bonuses of course, but that didn't stop him killing me. I must be a pushover. :)

Seriously, it's gotten ridiculous. I have no problem with people wearing whatever suit they have trained into or any weapon that works for them, but why use a GEK-38 on anything but a Gallente Assault?... The GEK-38 is a fabulous rifle, and yes, I'm sure it will work on any suit at all. Are the bonuses that useless as to be basicly irrelevant?

Its called being a merc.
Do what it takes to win.

What should he fit?
Another RR? sniper rifle? Swarm?
It's not that easy to find a suitable weapon which also benefit from the bonus.

Bonuses that mean death if you are out of proper engagement area?
Why should that assault limit himself to a rail rifle? Maybe he likes the fast regen on sheilds and loves cqc but isn't a fan of armour? Why not combine?

When you fit full racial gear you embody that factions strengthes.
And its weaknesses.


I can do pretty well with a scrambler pistol. But I have level 5 gallente assaults and level 3 amarr assaults. But the scrambler rifle is a smoldering pile of nerfed garbage and the scrambler pistol doesn't benefit from the amarr bonus so chances are I'm putting a scrambler pistol on my gal assualt and a magsec SMG on my amarr assualt to compliment its laser rifle.

Point is when there are endless ways to customize to adapt. The bonuses just make it more enticing to fit racially.

If I'm amarr logi, then I have plenty of armour. Why sit in the back waiting for people to spawn on my links when I can grab an assault rifle and defend my links to avoid a redline?

If I'm a Mk.0 scout with nova knives attempting to shank people but someone pulls a gal logi and permascans my team should I let him farm me because I don't have enough damps to evade his scanners? No I'll simply switch to my gal scout and blow his head off with my breach scrambler pistol.

What if there's an extreme amount of action and I need more sheilds than armour but all the engagements are practilly in nova knife range? So why not grab a caldari assault and rack a shotgun?


Tldr you aren't a scrub,you are a autistic blueberry who purposly limits themselves by fitting full racial and condemning others for adapting to the battlefield.

Sometimes the suit bonus doesn't matter for what you want and lolracialpurity

Galass w/ARR
Amass w/Flaylock
Any mando with Swarms or MD
Shotgun
Bolt Pistol
Minscout w/AScR

We have options bruh.
Its not against the law of the universe to try things

I beg to differ, the Caldari Assault with an AR is *the* original assault loadout, back before the other racial assaults were implemented and when the AR was the only rifle in the game. It's not scrubbery, it's oldschool.

My beta-stuff is locked into an alt (that can't trade because I can't buy Aurum for it), but when I run that I generally equip a Skinweave Caldari Medium with a Toxin AR.

It's a different playstyle that has certain disadvantages (lack of bonuses) but works well in certain scenarios (in this case: good 1-v-1 capabilities in CQC, quick recovery between encounters, resistance bonus to RR, CRs, HMGs and explosives).

Personally I'm still chewing through the racial playstyles. 2 years after release and I haven't even touched the Minmatar suits. Currently working on my GalAss instincts. But I can see that beyond the 16 racial suits and their 'vanilla' playstyles there are a huge number of hybrid fittings that can be both useful and enjoyable. I wouldn't call having fun scrubbery.

Nowadays this is called FOTM'ing

Runs militia bpo, wonders why he dies. Then calls 'other' people scrubs...

Dude. You're the scrub in the crappy mil bpo fit.

So...you are complaining that someone was using a non optimum weapon/suit combo? Why? It's their choice go run that, and really it makes the game have more variety if people aren't playing the obvious optemized fit combos. Maybe they like the shield regen of the rasetsu assault, but don't like the firing pattern/delay of rail weapons. Get over it.

I run my Dragonfly Assault with pretty much every weapon, because i spent like a year when the only assault suit was the Caldari, it basically became my favourite racial suit, and the only weapon you could really use with it was.... an Assault Rifle...

Caldari suit.. good regen and hit n' run ability
w/ AR = good to start an engagement, high accuracy

Gallente suit.. can be fit to have a bit more tank.. maybe add a triage hive
w/ RR = platform to tank damage, charge rifle and return fire..

It may be outside the bonus, but imo the "wrong" weapons often match better to the function of a suit.
Or I see you mention a combo Calass ARR+Magsec.. what makes you think Calass AR+Magsec won't end a fight faster?? regardless of the bonus being "wasted"

Before you call people idiots for adapting their suits.. take a step back..
And think.. why are you following a racial doctrine in a game where we lack modules to achieve such fits anyway??

Bonuses that mean death if you are out of proper engagement area?
Why should that assault limit himself to a rail rifle? Maybe he likes the fast regen on sheilds and loves cqc but isn't a fan of armour? Why not combine?

When you fit full racial gear you embody that factions strengthes.
And its weaknesses.


I can do pretty well with a scrambler pistol. But I have level 5 gallente assaults and level 3 amarr assaults. But the scrambler rifle is a smoldering pile of nerfed garbage and the scrambler pistol doesn't benefit from the amarr bonus so chances are I'm putting a scrambler pistol on my gal assualt and a magsec SMG on my amarr assualt to compliment its laser rifle.

Point is when there are endless ways to customize to adapt. The bonuses just make it more enticing to fit racially.

If I'm amarr logi, then I have plenty of armour. Why sit in the back waiting for people to spawn on my links when I can grab an assault rifle and defend my links to avoid a redline?

If I'm a Mk.0 scout with nova knives attempting to shank people but someone pulls a gal logi and permascans my team should I let him farm me because I don't have enough damps to evade his scanners? No I'll simply switch to my gal scout and blow his head off with my breach scrambler pistol.

What if there's an extreme amount of action and I need more sheilds than armour but all the engagements are practilly in nova knife range? So why not grab a caldari assault and rack a shotgun?


Tldr you aren't a scrub,you are a autistic blueberry who purposly limits themselves by fitting full racial and condemning others for adapting to the battlefield.

I've wondered about this sort of thing myself, the benefits of mixing racial stuff against the lack of bonuses. The AR is an amazing weapon. I use it with my Gal alt and it's just phenomenal compared with the RR except for range, and ONLY for range. But there are variants that get range, anyway. The thing for me with the RR is the slow ROF and long charge time. They are death in CQC. The ARR and MAGSEC are great for that, but other than the starter fits, none of the BPOs use the ARR and only the MEDIC uses the MAGSEC. As I primarily use BPOs that's a concern for me.

This combination (CalAss/AR) may be "old school" but it's still racially incorrect and sounds like it dates from a time when the game hadn't been developed fully to include such concepts. They go way beyond what suits use what rifles. They actually relate to the EvE universe, where Caldari are experts in "kiting" and sniping, and use shields with negligible armour because they fight at distance, versus Gallente who use extreme close range tactics, with ships that are heavily armoured and use blasters which are devastating at close range. You can see the same sort of thing in Dust. To an extent, there's no place for the typical Caldari fighting style in Dust - everything is close range. But for long distance, Caldari suits and weapons are excellent.

I don't think tank type defines combat scenarios as much as you seem to. A shield tanked Caldari suit can work really well in CQC because of it's resistance bonus. Where a Gallente Assault suffers extra damage from grenades and Massdrivers, Combat Rifles, HMGs and Railrifles a Caldari Assault gets damage reductions against those (very common) damage types. That effect can be very large - when making an assault on Mass Driver users the Gallente Assault takes 50% more damage than the Caldari suit.

The same goes for weapon choice. The +10% damage bonus of the ARR against armor tends to outperform the raw DPS advantage or the AR when dealing with high-armor targets, even in CQC. On the other hand a scrambler rifle will always be the superior choice against shields, regardless of range.

While suit bonuses should entice racially correct fittings to provide orientation, the fact that we can mix and match suits to specific needs is one of the important aspects of Dust. In contrast to Eve online racial mixing is possible and useful in almost any way conceivable.

I particularly enjoy equipping my Amarr Assault with a Flaylock pistol as a sidearm. The Scrambler Rifle deals with shields very easily but has a tough time against armor. If engaged with high-armor targets I will try to close the distance and switch to the flaylock after the enemy's shields are gone. Sidearms are an area where racial purity really can hold you back.

He has a point on the strength parts and weaknesses. Although if you do for fully racially you will find your strengths to outshine your weaknesses.

Its called being a merc.
Do what it takes to win.

Called "special fitting" in my terms.

Special fit -- a suit or vehicle which is built specifically for one or two purposes. It excels in this/these specific areas; however, is underpowered for general use. E.G: Python fit for anti-AV.

This fit (calAss + AR) used to be the fit. But things changed... That's why it's special fit now. Sucks to be the calAss w/ AR going against a galAss w/ AR or have a ranged battle. But damn under some sweet conditions, you've taken *YOUR* fit, and made it maximize *YOUR* style.

Hell... I LR + CalAss. I find it better than RR + calAss. Sometimes you just gotta play you.

I use a Quafe CR and a Quafe LR with my Centurion Commando for lolz...

What? All I spec'd into was GAL suits and what am I going to do, not use a free Quafe weapon?

I have some interesting free weapons, too, but none of them are BPOs. I've used them from time to time just to see what they're like, but unless they're BPOs I can't get used to them or my use of my normal weapons will suffer. Take for example, using an AR I got from a box - I get used to the lightning quick fire of it even compared with the ARR which still requires charge is still not immediate, and then I go back to my ARR or worse, RR, and I'm dead.

If I had BPOs of these weapons it might be different, and I might even grow to like mixing it up, but without BPOs, I just can't afford to, at least not if I have to go back to the ARR and RR...

Nope.
And you never looked at this from an economical point of veiw.

An apex is a free suit. A bpo

And what do you get out of strongboxes?
Aurum gear.

Suppose that redberry got some of those kill switch geks that have got you so butthurt and threw them onto his handy dandy apex suit?

Maybe he's trying to save isk for some reason. I dunno. Pay for his hamster to have surgery or something?

Because if I remember correctly it costs nothing to slap on some free guns on to your free bpo.