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Apocalyptic Destroyer
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.12.29 02:15:00 -
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The forums are constantly moderated but there's still silence xD Shows you where their priorities are.
-Vehicle Expert
-In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.
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OGREL0RD
Community Cream Pie
2
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Posted - 2015.12.29 02:17:00 -
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Don't let the MAN drag ya down!
Tyrant Lord of Cream Land
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maybe deadcatz
Serris Inc
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Posted - 2015.12.29 04:29:00 -
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ccp in a nutshell when drawing you in.
But CCP is really good at making you their b!tch.
Ha!You can't kill me! I'm already dead!
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Union118
TH3 STRUGGL3
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Posted - 2015.12.29 05:54:00 -
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I aint gunna be a b!tch for CCP.
The prophesy said id bring CCP umm great birthing pains and bleeding. Lots and lots of bleeping. Makes them less trust worty since most people do not trust anything that bleeds for a week and does not die. Sorry Ccp. D:
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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Immortal John Ripper
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Posted - 2015.12.29 06:50:00 -
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We have angered the dust gods now we must suffer. A plague has besieged us all.
Don't give me more likes.
ReversePyschology
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General John Ripper
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Posted - 2015.12.29 06:50:00 -
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We have angered the dust gods now we must suffer. A plague has besieged us all.
Don't give me more likes.
ReversePyschology
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Radiant Pancake3
Celestial Phoenixes
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Posted - 2015.12.29 06:52:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:We have angered the dust gods now we must suffer. A plague has besieged us all. I refuse to like this post just because your signature says reverse psychology...
"benandjerrys cock cream ice cream flavored" - Pancake
Join-in-my-corp? Search CP4U
Wanna Squad? Pub Chat: CP4U Pub
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General John Ripper
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Posted - 2015.12.29 07:16:00 -
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Radiant Pancake3 wrote:Immortal John Ripper wrote:We have angered the dust gods now we must suffer. A plague has besieged us all. I refuse to like this post just because your signature says reverse psychology... Good.
Don't give me more likes.
ReversePyschology
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Immortal John Ripper
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Posted - 2015.12.29 07:16:00 -
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Radiant Pancake3 wrote:Immortal John Ripper wrote:We have angered the dust gods now we must suffer. A plague has besieged us all. I refuse to like this post just because your signature says reverse psychology... Good.
Don't give me more likes.
ReversePyschology
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GM Archduke
Game Masters C C P Alliance
3
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Posted - 2015.12.29 11:45:00 -
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Oh, that terrible silence! Only three CCP employees explained why we're silent, and only about a dozen times. I bring shame on famiry!!
GM Archduke
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
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Unholy HateGore
highland marines
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Posted - 2015.12.29 11:57:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Oh, that terrible silence! Only three CCP employees explained why we're silent, and only about a dozen times. I bring shame on famiry!!
Arch yes I know we do a lot of bitching. I have one question...... where did this game play and what not end up????
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Sbundo'D
Dead Meta Game
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Posted - 2015.12.29 12:01:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Oh, that terrible silence! Only three CCP employees explained why we're silent, and only about a dozen times. I bring shame on famiry!!
-_-''
So because we have been told a dozen times "we don't know, you'll know when we do" Are we supposed to break out the celebrations ??? I'm not so sure...
Once upon a time, CCP went silent.. in anticipation.. gamers began wondering what might be in store.. Then CCP finally came out!!! and said, uhhmm yeahh that work we've being doing.. nothing to do with this game Of course at the time, we were told to expect great things... no-one expected a theory that would come to nothing 2yrs later
So I can't blame anyone for the complaints, you guys joke about it that's cool But we have learned to freak dafuq out, rather than expect anything to be done in our interest |
Sbundo'D
Dead Meta Game
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Posted - 2015.12.29 12:11:00 -
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Why apologize for bitching ??
6 months of nothing happening but SKINS being released and the servers deteriorating day by day
No gameplay overhauls, despite the fact that EU players are forced to server switch or play DOM...
Yet another CPM election, and the guys elected are less active once they got what they wanted
PC 2.No Show.. players are encouraged to waste the time of active Corporations, thanks
- Boosters x3 / Respecs / APEX / SKINS / Warbarge.. but not much to show for what is spent
The game is near unplayable... how CCP could expect anything other than bitching amazes me But I suppose, their main interaction with Dust514 gamers.. is with a bunch that stopped playing....
Because the game is screwed..
But yeah, sarcasm and silence are great rewards for those still supporting Dust514, K |
deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.12.29 12:13:00 -
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Don't worry the silence will be broken SOONGäó.......
By Sony shutting down the PSN servers for PS3 some time around 2018.
o7 All #514InTheWind
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.12.29 12:16:00 -
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Sbundo'D wrote:Why apologize for bitching ?? 6 months of nothing happening but SKINS being released and the servers deteriorating day by day No gameplay overhauls, despite the fact that EU players are forced to server switch or play DOM... Yet another CPM election, and the guys elected are less active once they got what they wantedPC 2.No Show.. players are encouraged to waste the time of active Corporations, thanks - Boosters x3 / Respecs / APEX / SKINS / Warbarge.. but not much to show for what is spent The game is near unplayable... how CCP could expect anything other than bitching amazes me But I suppose, their main interaction with Dust514 gamers.. is with a bunch that stopped playing.... Because the game is screwed..But yeah, sarcasm and silence are great rewards for those still supporting Dust514, K
Slow clap.
DROP THE MIC DROP THE MIC
o7 All #514InTheWind
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Sbundo'D
Dead Meta Game
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Posted - 2015.12.29 12:21:00 -
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Hell naw..
I've wasted hundreds on this game, stood by it to read BS replies like the one above ^^ great interaction
No way I am dropping my mic over their mess!!
EDIT: I love you really Archie But the skank that is tightening that gag can gtfo !! |
The KTM Duke
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.12.29 12:28:00 -
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Sbundo'D wrote:Why apologize for bitching ?? 6 months of nothing happening but SKINS being released and the servers deteriorating day by day No gameplay overhauls, despite the fact that EU players are forced to server switch or play DOM... Yet another CPM election, and the guys elected are less active once they got what they wantedPC 2.No Show.. players are encouraged to waste the time of active Corporations, thanks - Boosters x3 / Respecs / APEX / SKINS / Warbarge.. but not much to show for what is spent The game is near unplayable... how CCP could expect anything other than bitching amazes me But I suppose, their main interaction with Dust514 gamers.. is with a bunch that stopped playing.... Because the game is screwed..But yeah, sarcasm and silence are great rewards for those still supporting Dust514, K Nothing to add ...oh well buy skins today!
Out for 9 weeks, broken both scaphoids // 9 weeks were enough to forget me.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.12.29 12:28:00 -
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Sbundo'D wrote:Hell naw.. I've wasted hundreds on this game, stood by it to read BS replies like the one above ^^ great interaction No way I am dropping my mic over their mess!! EDIT: I love you really Archie But the skank that is tightening that gag can gtfo !!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Drop+The+Mic
I am in the 4 figures area and can only laugh so that I do not feel like one of the greatest dumbasses in video game consumer history.
o7 All #514InTheWind
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GM Archduke
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.12.29 12:32:00 -
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I don't mean to offend anyone, but we did say that we'll be silent until there is something to talk about. Simple as that.
Other than this, we're still working on 1.3, it will be released and it will be quite interesting.
GM Archduke
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
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Sbundo'D
Dead Meta Game
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Posted - 2015.12.29 12:32:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Sbundo'D wrote:Hell naw.. I've wasted hundreds on this game, stood by it to read BS replies like the one above ^^ great interaction No way I am dropping my mic over their mess!! EDIT: I love you really Archie But the skank that is tightening that gag can gtfo !! http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Drop+The+MicI am in the 4 figures area and can only laugh so that I do not feel like one of the greatest dumbasses in video game consumer history.
I'm still not dropping my mic!
And besides, Archduke gets a paycheck out of this... I get to waste time and money by playing this...
You can't blame them for the smug attitude I'd probably be the same in their shoes |
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Sbundo'D
Dead Meta Game
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Posted - 2015.12.29 12:36:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:I don't mean to offend anyone, but we did say that we'll be silent until there is something to talk about. Simple as that.
Other than this, we're still working on 1.3, it will be released and it will be quite interesting.
WE KNOW!!!!!!
But we don't have a clue what/when/why.. Or most importantly to what end...
At least I feel genuinely guilty ranting at an Archduke response But the offence was taken with your bosses about a year ago Red/Blue tag you are all CCP So seeing as you guys cash a paycheck while we burn ours, my trigger finger gets a bit itchy
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Echo 1991
WarRavens Imperium Eden
1
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Posted - 2015.12.29 12:42:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:I don't mean to offend anyone, but we did say that we'll be silent until there is something to talk about. Simple as that.
Other than this, we're still working on 1.3, it will be released and it will be quite interesting. We know you're working on it. The issue is that we have no idea what's going on, which is incredibly frustrating, and we would like to kept in the loop.
We're not asking for you to confirm ports or every little thing that's gonna happen in the future, we just want communication, throw us a bone here.
Change the Ion Pistol Fitting Skill Pls.
#PortDust514
'Echo is a dirty hooker' - UnclS2
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Sbundo'D
Dead Meta Game
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Posted - 2015.12.29 12:43:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote: it will be released and it will be quite interesting.
Just before FF14.. I was doing my thing (complaining)
And Iron Wolf Saber, replied something quite similar to this ^^
We all know how that turned out I thank you for at least some kind of status update... But if there is one thing we have learned, it's not to get optimistic before a release..
Just like you, when you can't tell us about it
Dust caught my attention by the potential interaction with CCP and gamers... But as time has passed, the players hate on CCP for not being open enough While CCP hate on the players, for not having a clue wtf is going on and complaining
All that potential, and it ends up with 2 sides bitching about each other. <3 Human nature |
deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.12.29 12:48:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:I don't mean to offend anyone, but we did say that we'll be silent until there is something to talk about. Simple as that.
Other than this, we're still working on 1.3, it will be released and it will be quite interesting.
This is getting more and more eerily similar to pre FF14 in all honesty.
I know you guys are probably just as frustrated by CCP imposing an iron curtain as well but it has reached a point where saying no news over and over is only having a negative effect.
Like I have said over and over the silence is just enabling rumor mongers and nay sayers that would prefer people move on from Dust. If hypothetically I were to tell some one that Dust is 100% dead and has been abandoned in favor of VR projects not only would the person I am saying that to have absolutely zero argument against that but a fair amount of evidence would actually fall on my side. This is bad for image, bad for player retention, bad for player spending, and all around bad for everyone involved.
At this rate by the time the silence breaks there will be so much bitterness festering among the community that anything short of we rebuilt the whole game and fixed every bug as well as finally abandoned server side hit detection in favor of p2p will have any lasting effect to disperse the negativity.
o7 All #514InTheWind
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jdom503
blueberry shields forever
36
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Posted - 2015.12.29 12:59:00 -
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We all got the right to speak our peace. From us that were in beta to the new comers that want to see this be a legit shooter. I for one believe that you and the other red/blue tags want this game to go away. If not why the continuous buff/nerf towards weapons making 0 sense. The fact that it's done is one way to drive players away. It's one of the main reasons most of the guys n gals I use to play with said cya. Spend money and time specing into something just to be told haha you wasted your money and time. So we're left with the choice of doing it all over or spending more to reset. Also the lack of content in y'alls posts don't say anything but hey we got your money already so get good. Yes there's alot of dumb complaining on here but most have very valid points. But those that have those valid points get clowned by the cpm clowns you got as the go betweens. I've seen breaking bad strictly use the get good answer on certain threads. All we want is some truth from you guys. Try it, we might stay or go but mostly people are gone for good. Make us dream of big things again, that's what we want. The first year was promising but it's been all down hill afterwards. Trust me I wish I could just walk away from this game but to be honest I've spent to much time to do so. If you guys are planning a future let us know. If not do the same and tell us. Don't gank us for our $$$ by keeping us in the dark as you take us. Be a real man and say yeah or nay. |
Sbundo'D
Dead Meta Game
120
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Posted - 2015.12.29 13:03:00 -
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FUN FACT:
344 Total KIlls from CPM members this month (Zaria made up nearly half with 140) (2 have not played)
Compared to Global, where 1000th place has 2.370 Kills
And who gives feedback to CCP?? We can assume the CPM know more than us about 1.3 Yet, very few of them have played the game enough to offer anything more than a vague opinion
Maybe I am confusing their function, I always assumed community representation was on the list... But how can they do that when they do not even play... I wonder.. under all their nice words...
Does their opinion of Dust514 pretty much add up to mine ?? At least I am honest with you
INB4we have lives, no-one said playing the game was important during elections.. yanno blablabla |
Sbundo'D
Dead Meta Game
121
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Posted - 2015.12.29 13:15:00 -
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Sgt Kirk - 0 Kills (eerrrmmm, yeah) Cross Atu - 0 Kills (and we are not seeing posts, which is a shame, Cross is actually good at communicating) Breakin Stuff - 26 Kills (Why did we think this was a good idea again?) Kevall Longstride - 38 Kills (I mailed twice this year asking to meet up and chat about Dust = no reply) Aeon Amadi - 51 Kills (lol, joins Inner.Hell... what better place to gain active feedback) Darth-Carbonite Gio - 89 Kills (for a guy who neckbearded naming a weapon, it shows priorities) Zaria Min Deir - 140 Kills (but may not have logged in recently enough to notice her Corp died)
So we can rest assured our representation is the best it has ever been !!!
Now I'll stop complaining and wait for an update none of us actually playing Dust know anything about |
jdom503
blueberry shields forever
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Posted - 2015.12.29 13:25:00 -
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Sbundo'D wrote:Sgt Kirk - 0 Kills (eerrrmmm, yeah) Cross Atu - 0 Kills (and we are not seeing posts, which is a shame, Cross is actually good at communicating) Breakin Stuff - 26 Kills (Why did we think this was a good idea again?) Kevall Longstride - 38 Kills (I mailed twice this year asking to meet up and chat about Dust = no reply) Aeon Amadi - 51 Kills (lol, joins Inner.Hell... what better place to gain active feedback) Darth-Carbonite Gio - 89 Kills (for a guy who neckbearded naming a weapon, it shows priorities) Zaria Min Deir - 140 Kills (but may not have logged in recently enough to notice her Corp died) So we can rest assured our representation is the best it has ever been !!! Now I'll stop complaining and wait for an update none of us actually playing Dust know anything about
Breaking stuff, I said braking bad lol. Anyways thanks for the info cause that guy is always talking down on the rest of us. Maybe he should get good. |
Jack Boost
Zarena Family
1
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Posted - 2015.12.29 13:38:00 -
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Dear GM Archduke.
Solution for this kind of topics is easy:
Make CCP statment:
Quote:I don't mean to offend anyone, but we did say that we'll be silent until there is something to talk about. Simple as that.
STICKY (new players still come and want to know this too)
And seccond: - if you dont want to 'say' anything, just show us :) Small progress bar to next event/patch/etc in this sticky threat too can make wonders here. (It can be generatet automaticly from CCP SCRUM engine)
I guarantee - NO ONE ASK MORE! (if .. we shoot them on sight)
Not much time left...
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Sbundo'D
Dead Meta Game
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Posted - 2015.12.29 13:45:00 -
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jdom503 wrote:Sbundo'D wrote:Sgt Kirk - 0 Kills (eerrrmmm, yeah) Cross Atu - 0 Kills (and we are not seeing posts, which is a shame, Cross is actually good at communicating) Breakin Stuff - 26 Kills (Why did we think this was a good idea again?) Kevall Longstride - 38 Kills (I mailed twice this year asking to meet up and chat about Dust = no reply) Aeon Amadi - 51 Kills (lol, joins Inner.Hell... what better place to gain active feedback) Darth-Carbonite Gio - 89 Kills (for a guy who neckbearded naming a weapon, it shows priorities) Zaria Min Deir - 140 Kills (but may not have logged in recently enough to notice her Corp died) So we can rest assured our representation is the best it has ever been !!! Now I'll stop complaining and wait for an update none of us actually playing Dust know anything about Breaking stuff, I said braking bad lol. Anyways thanks for the info cause that guy is always talking down on the rest of us. Maybe he should get good.
It's not about how good they are... More about the fact, if they run for CPM.. Maybe.. just maybe.. actually enjoying the game might be a thought on their mind
-100 kills.. in a month..
That's not from being bad That is because they cannot be bothered wasting time playing Dust514
(perfect for representing the dying community of a broken game) |
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.12.29 13:46:00 -
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Sbundo'D wrote:Sgt Kirk - 0 Kills (eerrrmmm, yeah) Cross Atu - 0 Kills (and we are not seeing posts, which is a shame, Cross is actually good at communicating) Breakin Stuff - 26 Kills (Why did we think this was a good idea again?) Kevall Longstride - 38 Kills (I mailed twice this year asking to meet up and chat about Dust = no reply) Aeon Amadi - 51 Kills (lol, joins Inner.Hell... what better place to gain active feedback) Darth-Carbonite Gio - 89 Kills (for a guy who neckbearded naming a weapon, it shows priorities) Zaria Min Deir - 140 Kills (but may not have logged in recently enough to notice her Corp died) So we can rest assured our representation is the best it has ever been !!! Now I'll stop complaining and wait for an update none of us actually playing Dust know anything about
I would rather see how much of their time they spend on PS4.
o7 All #514InTheWind
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
6
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Posted - 2015.12.29 13:47:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Oh, that terrible silence! Only three CCP employees explained why we're silent, and only about a dozen times. I bring shame on famiry!!
Dats Racist
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ROMULUS H3X
research lab
919
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Posted - 2015.12.29 13:51:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Oh, that terrible silence! Only three CCP employees explained why we're silent, and only about a dozen times. I bring shame on famiry!!
Please, Archiest of Dukes, don't be swayed by the cries about the 'silence'.. These same players who are impatient do not reflect or represent the majority of DUST mercs.. They only represent the gutter trash.
FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS
PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH
ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
6
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Posted - 2015.12.29 13:59:00 -
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Sbundo'D wrote:Sgt Kirk - 0 Kills (eerrrmmm, yeah) Cross Atu - 0 Kills (and we are not seeing posts, which is a shame, Cross is actually good at communicating) Breakin Stuff - 26 Kills (Why did we think this was a good idea again?) Kevall Longstride - 38 Kills (I mailed twice this year asking to meet up and chat about Dust = no reply) Aeon Amadi - 51 Kills (lol, joins Inner.Hell... what better place to gain active feedback) Darth-Carbonite Gio - 89 Kills (for a guy who neckbearded naming a weapon, it shows priorities) Zaria Min Deir - 140 Kills (but may not have logged in recently enough to notice her Corp died) So we can rest assured our representation is the best it has ever been !!! Now I'll stop complaining and wait for an update none of us actually playing Dust know anything about
Them not playing the game simply signifies an increased level of intelligence.
There is NOTHING interesting going on right now.
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Ghosts Chance
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.12.29 14:09:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:I don't mean to offend anyone, but we did say that we'll be silent until there is something to talk about. Simple as that.
Other than this, we're still working on 1.3, it will be released and it will be quite interesting.
to be fair you guys said warbarges would be interesting and all we got was a pay 2 win 2D animated sprite.
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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Ghosts Chance
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.12.29 14:15:00 -
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and to everyone commenting on the lack of activity from the CPM.
i remember a certain ex CPM member (judge) who IMMEDIATLY quit the game and was never heard from again the moment he got behind the NDA curtain. And now we see a repeat in that EVERY damn CPM member who takes a peak behind the curtain sees a sudden and durastic decline in gameplay, discoounting of course IWS who continued on his forum warrior ways unrelenting because he played the games for the forums rather than to actually play the game.
at this point its pretty obvious that whatever is behind that iron curtain is terrible terrible stuff if everyone who gets a peak suddenly loses all interest in a game they were previously devout to.
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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ANON Cerberus
TerranProtossZerg
989
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Posted - 2015.12.29 14:19:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:I don't mean to offend anyone, but we did say that we'll be silent until there is something to talk about. Simple as that.
Other than this, we're still working on 1.3, it will be released and it will be quite interesting.
Just "quite interesting"?
How about something like.... " It will be f**king amazing beyond anything you could have imagined in your tiny dusticle brains!" |
ANON Cerberus
TerranProtossZerg
989
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Posted - 2015.12.29 14:23:00 -
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Sbundo'D wrote:jdom503 wrote:Sbundo'D wrote:Sgt Kirk - 0 Kills (eerrrmmm, yeah) Cross Atu - 0 Kills (and we are not seeing posts, which is a shame, Cross is actually good at communicating) Breakin Stuff - 26 Kills (Why did we think this was a good idea again?) Kevall Longstride - 38 Kills (I mailed twice this year asking to meet up and chat about Dust = no reply) Aeon Amadi - 51 Kills (lol, joins Inner.Hell... what better place to gain active feedback) Darth-Carbonite Gio - 89 Kills (for a guy who neckbearded naming a weapon, it shows priorities) Zaria Min Deir - 140 Kills (but may not have logged in recently enough to notice her Corp died) So we can rest assured our representation is the best it has ever been !!! Now I'll stop complaining and wait for an update none of us actually playing Dust know anything about Breaking stuff, I said braking bad lol. Anyways thanks for the info cause that guy is always talking down on the rest of us. Maybe he should get good. It's not about how good they are... More about the fact, if they run for CPM.. Maybe.. just maybe.. actually enjoying the game might be a thought on their mind -100 kills.. in a month.. That's not from being bad That is because they cannot be bothered wasting time playing Dust514 (perfect for representing the dying community of a broken game)
So why one earth do we keep electing people that go AWOL.....
OR is it the fact that prestigious players actually see what is behind the CCP Iron Curtain and are so disappointed they cease to play the game.
But seriously its very disheartening when people suddenly go inactive or reduce activity massively and at the same time make no effort what so ever to engage with the community (I think that applies strongly to most of the current CPM) |
james selim brownstein
NECROM0NGERS
180
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Posted - 2015.12.29 14:35:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:I don't mean to offend anyone, but we did say that we'll be silent until there is something to talk about. Simple as that.
Other than this, we're still working on 1.3, it will be released and it will be quite interesting.
Unless 1.3 = A Port, than it wont be as "Interesting" as you think.
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
1
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Posted - 2015.12.29 15:08:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:I don't mean to offend anyone, but we did say that we'll be silent until there is something to talk about. Simple as that.
Other than this, we're still working on 1.3, it will be released and it will be quite interesting. "...we're working on the last 3 months on nothing worth talking about ..."
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
"I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.12.29 15:31:00 -
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First there was bluprising, then the rouge wedding, i swear to Dog if we get a Rat wedding, ill come to Iceland and bring demons from the Midwest and Deep South to conquer it.
I'm DUST514, first class. Not that it matters to you, but I've seen things you couldn't comprehend.
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.12.29 15:38:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Sbundo'D wrote:Sgt Kirk - 0 Kills (eerrrmmm, yeah) Cross Atu - 0 Kills (and we are not seeing posts, which is a shame, Cross is actually good at communicating) Breakin Stuff - 26 Kills (Why did we think this was a good idea again?) Kevall Longstride - 38 Kills (I mailed twice this year asking to meet up and chat about Dust = no reply) Aeon Amadi - 51 Kills (lol, joins Inner.Hell... what better place to gain active feedback) Darth-Carbonite Gio - 89 Kills (for a guy who neckbearded naming a weapon, it shows priorities) Zaria Min Deir - 140 Kills (but may not have logged in recently enough to notice her Corp died) So we can rest assured our representation is the best it has ever been !!! Now I'll stop complaining and wait for an update none of us actually playing Dust know anything about Them not playing the game simply signifies an increased level of intelligence. There is NOTHING interesting going on right now. Yeah, gotta go with Himi on this one.
Being elected CPM shouldn't mean having to be continuously angry all the time, which is what would happen to all of them if they were forced to play this game every day for a certain number of hours like you guys seem to think they should be.
The one true villain here is the Non Disclosure Agreement and the people who write it and maintain it. With so many other companies opening up their development process to their community in the early stages and gaining support from fans through constant communication, CCP Shanghai has gone back a decade.
****, CCP Reykjavik constantly talks about long-term visions for EVE and in-progress features that sometimes don't even pan out. If anything that's just keeping more people excited over the game and wanting to know more about the future.
When you clam up completely, people stop wondering what the future might hold.
They surmise that there is no future and either move on or sit on your forums and complain at you all day long becuase even though you're a Game Master and not in charge of any of the people actually causing the problem, you're the only one the angry people can see.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
4
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Posted - 2015.12.29 15:39:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:First there was bluprising, then the rouge wedding, i swear to Dog if we get a Rat wedding, ill come to Iceland and bring demons from the Midwest and Deep South to conquer it.
Technically Rattati became the nanny for the red headed step child that is Dust after the Rouge wedding so I think we are safe from a rat wedding.
o7 All #514InTheWind
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Union118
TH3 STRUGGL3
1
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Posted - 2015.12.29 16:17:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:I don't mean to offend anyone, but we did say that we'll be silent until there is something to talk about. Simple as that.
Other than this, we're still working on 1.3, it will be released and it will be quite interesting. You want something to talk about!?
How about the epidemic going throughout dust. Im talking HIV, AIDS, LOOPUS, the works all being spread around in this sandbox.
People running around with dirty needles picking up mercs. This sh!t has to stop. If you are not careful in battle you could die from different diseases than a bullet. Its getting ridiculous Duke.
Just last week i saw a guy get picked up in battle. After he got up and was ready to get back into the fight he dropped his weapon grabbing his crouch and rolled on the ground till he died with one are reaching for the stars as if looking for help. I felt sorry for him and gave em a proper tea bagging in honor of his service on the battlefield.
Anyway how do you expect us to want to play if this is scaring away customers. Lets talk about that Duke!
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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Unholy HateGore
highland marines
122
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Posted - 2015.12.29 16:42:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:I don't mean to offend anyone, but we did say that we'll be silent until there is something to talk about. Simple as that.
Other than this, we're still working on 1.3, it will be released and it will be quite interesting. I still want to know about this?????
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Sbundo'D
Dead Meta Game
137
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Posted - 2015.12.29 16:59:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Sbundo'D wrote:Sgt Kirk - 0 Kills (eerrrmmm, yeah) Cross Atu - 0 Kills (and we are not seeing posts, which is a shame, Cross is actually good at communicating) Breakin Stuff - 26 Kills (Why did we think this was a good idea again?) Kevall Longstride - 38 Kills (I mailed twice this year asking to meet up and chat about Dust = no reply) Aeon Amadi - 51 Kills (lol, joins Inner.Hell... what better place to gain active feedback) Darth-Carbonite Gio - 89 Kills (for a guy who neckbearded naming a weapon, it shows priorities) Zaria Min Deir - 140 Kills (but may not have logged in recently enough to notice her Corp died) So we can rest assured our representation is the best it has ever been !!! Now I'll stop complaining and wait for an update none of us actually playing Dust know anything about Them not playing the game simply signifies an increased level of intelligence. There is NOTHING interesting going on right now.
And that has been the way for most Dust gamers since they started playing
Not everyone cares as much for the epeen stroke after a win/war/wa*k, gamers play Dust for fun when it works - But, imo more play it for the concept and potential it could have also the trolls
The more vocal gamers getting bored should have no effect on the active players knowing whats going on Interested or not, all can agree that gameplay has went downhill, and more info than crossed fingers would be great.
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Justice Darling
Horizons' Edge
121
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Posted - 2015.12.29 17:07:00 -
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Sbundo'D wrote:GM Archduke wrote:Oh, that terrible silence! Only three CCP employees explained why we're silent, and only about a dozen times. I bring shame on famiry!! -_-'' So because we have been told a dozen times "we don't know, you'll know when we do" Are we supposed to break out the celebrations ??? I'm not so sure... Once upon a time, CCP went silent.. in anticipation.. gamers began wondering what might be in store.. Then CCP finally came out!!! and said, uhhmm yeahh that work we've being doing.. nothing to do with this game Of course at the time, we were told to expect great things... no-one expected a theory that would come to nothing 2yrs later So I can't blame anyone for the complaints, you guys joke about it that's cool But we have learned to freak dafuq out, rather than expect anything to be done in our interest
And for all that CCP what does this contest on CCP cant say atm win, he win's a really big fat: -»\_(pâä)_/-»
It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!
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benandjerrys
WarRavens Imperium Eden
1
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Posted - 2015.12.29 17:09:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:I don't mean to offend anyone, but we did say that we'll be silent until there is something to talk about. Simple as that.
Other than this, we're still working on 1.3, it will be released and it will be quite interesting.
Archie I like you. I said I'd never troll ya again. Here's an idea. Sticky an official statement of the state of the game. I know you have repeated yourself on your stance, but use the community to enforce your position rather than seeing poop everywhere every time you lurk.
Free isk! (comment with in game name)
#portdust514
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Not Vahzz
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2015.12.29 17:16:00 -
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Inb4 1.3 is the last update, and then we get ported |
Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2015.12.29 17:43:00 -
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Sbundo'D wrote:GM Archduke wrote:I don't mean to offend anyone, but we did say that we'll be silent until there is something to talk about. Simple as that.
Other than this, we're still working on 1.3, it will be released and it will be quite interesting. WE KNOW!!!!!! But we don't have a clue what/when/why.. Or most importantly to what end... At least I feel genuinely guilty ranting at an Archduke response But the offence was taken with your bosses about a year ago Red/Blue tag you are all CCP So seeing as you guys cash a paycheck while we burn ours, my trigger finger gets a bit itchy That's as fair a statement as fair can be, the public face of CCP is completely incognizant of what this entire development process has been like for the players. It's really a case study in deniability and politics 101.
PSN: RationalSpark
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.12.29 18:00:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:First there was bluprising, then the rouge wedding, i swear to Dog if we get a Rat wedding, ill come to Iceland and bring demons from the Midwest and Deep South to conquer it. Technically Rattati became the nanny for the red headed step child that is Dust after the Rouge wedding so I think we are safe from a rat wedding.
Solid point.
My question now is, does it still count as infanticide if the redheaded step child is well into its angsty teenage years?
I'm DUST514, first class. Not that it matters to you, but I've seen things you couldn't comprehend.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
4
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Posted - 2015.12.29 18:29:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:First there was bluprising, then the rouge wedding, i swear to Dog if we get a Rat wedding, ill come to Iceland and bring demons from the Midwest and Deep South to conquer it. Technically Rattati became the nanny for the red headed step child that is Dust after the Rouge wedding so I think we are safe from a rat wedding. Solid point. My question now is, does it still count as infanticide if the redheaded step child is well into its angsty teenage years?
You present a very valid argument.
I will defer judgement until a later date because there is just not currently enough data.
o7 All #514InTheWind
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Bradric Banewolf
Eternal Beings
1
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Posted - 2015.12.29 19:10:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:I don't mean to offend anyone, but we did say that we'll be silent until there is something to talk about. Simple as that.
Other than this, we're still working on 1.3, it will be released and it will be quite interesting.
Hell i'll take this over nothing at all! Just say this different ways every week, and that's better than nothing!
Nothing is killing us because we're actively dealing with the in-game issues?! We're fighting through the lag, hoping for fixes, and trying to keep corps alive with a dwindling playerbase?! We're showing up to no shows, stomaching 4v12's, and playing against the laggy teams.
All we ask is we get some insight as to what is or isn't going on. I think we've earned that much in dedication alone.
Also, Archduke we do appreciate what you try to do here in the forums and in ticket support. I think you just catch some mean words meant for other more silent parties?! We can wait for 1.3, but can the small stuff be addressed in the meantime?
1. Glitched gear we can't sell
Imperial CPU Upgrade Imperial Armor Plates Imperial Armor Repairer
State PG Upgrade State Shield Regulator State Shield Energizer State Shield Extender
Republic CPU Upgrade Republic Assault Combat Rifle 'Construct' Kaalakiota Forge Gun
I'm sure there are others, but these are the ones stuck in my inventory. The Mods.... meh, but the weapons...? I have 55 'Construct' Kaalakiota Forge Guns that I can't use or sell?!
This seems to be an easy fix. Please correct me if i'm wrong? Since other items are able to be sold already.
It's the small things bro!
If you guys want the b*tching to stop.... FIX THE LAG, AND BAN KNOWN CHEATERS! You do that, and the community will be much more reasonable. Currently there are players who seem to do just fine while everyone they're fighting can barely move. They "conveniently" freeze frame to safety ALL the time! No way it's just a coincidence that many times?!
Also, admit it! Hit detection is.... sketchy at best right now. Jump mods are cool, but were premature in their release. Why are the devs going for big changes when some of the small stuff is far more important?
o7
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
1
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Posted - 2015.12.29 19:17:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:I don't mean to offend anyone, but we did say that we'll be silent until there is something to talk about. Simple as that.
Other than this, we're still working on 1.3, it will be released and it will be quite interesting. Two years ago there was also a bit of a silent phase and then we got the rouge wedding. Even if annoying I think it's quite understandable that trust is easier lost than gained under these prerequisites.
As it is, I think the threads asking for more information are a sign of positive interest in Dust's future. Things would be a lot worse if nobody cared about what CCP was working on. On the flipside, a short post on the fact that the devs would like to say something informative but can't for external reasons is a sign of interest on the dev's behalf - even if it contains no new information. |
Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.12.29 19:38:00 -
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Geez Sbundo or whatever your name is, go outside, have a life, play a different game, get your phallus blown...
Its not that serious man, not at all. You act like you got nothing interesting going on in your world. Its mad corny, childish and bratty how you acting over a last gen video game. Weird.
Saying what's on people's minds
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CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
763
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Posted - 2015.12.29 19:48:00 -
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GǪGǪ. GǪGǪGǪGǪ.. GǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪ..
I can't believe all the people who posted here, including the CPM poster.
You know, there are times when this well-intentioned "forum" melts down into just a "Facebook" name-calling swamp. And there are times when communication and information are productive here.
But there are other times when sly individuals who are WAY cleverer than the mob of posters, decides to "use" the posters as marbles on the floor for his personal entertainment. I won't say what my profession is, but it does put me in contact with kids, so I recognize when clever kids manipulate "the less malicious, less-aware" kids into disruptive noise.
In all your posts and passions, did you notice how the original author of this thread lit his fuse and never worried to post anything else afterwards. He satisfied his urge. He wanted to start a mob-disruption, and he figured he could herd you like a flock of sheep with just a single hit-n-run post of "bait words".
GǪ.And looks like he was right. A whole mob, that got played. In my "Roles of New Eden" thread, I forgot to include that, there are Scammers and Saboteurs in the FORUM as well. Not just in the game.
We could debate which Role the author was playing in his thread here. But more importantly, who are WE? Who ARE you? CCP is too nice and professional and cautious a host to say it, but I have nothing to lose the way they might lose if they ask the question, so: Who are you?
Who are you to come in THEIR house, and demand that they give you reasons why they decide to do anything they do?
This is a charming little leisure game where no player was ever forced to join, or is locked into a playing contract, or obligated to spend any money to learn this game. In a game like this the normal action of someone who objects to the game-designer is to uninstall or eject his gameGǪ and the normal action of someone who likes the game is to spend more time and money wearing out the console and the controller and smiling till your cheeks hurt. GǪ.Getting addicted to a game you don't have some patience for, and clogging up the websites/customer-service/forums with commandments and demands, like a King who deserves justification from your serf, CCPGǪ. that describes a whole different kind of behavior, not the 'normal' behavior I've met in other multi-player games. So you're gonna have to explain to me, what kind of weird new species of player are you? Who are you?
They put a game out there for free (it's just a danged leisure game, not a pharmacist's prescription, not cancer treatment, not gov't law, AND it's for FREE). So who are you to keep demanding reasons from them as if Dust could somehow ever be more YOUR investment more than it is THEIR investment?
It's the Christmas holiday period, and many career people won't be (aren't supposed to be) working in their chairs this month,GǪ but you refuse to have any understanding of how things work this time of year,GǪ so who are you?
Every time (I mean EVERY) the devs have mapped a plan or given preliminary announcement of "new developments", 8 out of 10 of us use it for stone-throwing, lampooning, phantom-quarterbacking, and vile-commentary---NOT for so called "productive, helpful, feedback". But you pretend that you can't see how silence is such a sensible strategy for working with forum mobs like us,GǪ so who are you?
Our parents were "obligated" to respond to us every time we repeatedly ask "are we there yet--are we there yet" every half hour,GǪ but the host in someone's house is never obligated to answer that question ever. Who are you to try to make the host of this game responsible to you and answerable to you the way your mothers were?
Who are you to demand and expect justifications from someone for changing the paint color or when the furniture's going to be moved around in the house, when THEY are the Host/Owner, and you're just a guest? (Whether you 'bought' an extra pillow for your bed or notGǪ)
Constant and repeated behavior like this is just the sign of Addicts, not game-players. And I don't mean that in the fun healthy way, I mean it as an unhealthy addiction. Snap out of this "they owe me" routine, and be Game-PlayersGǪ And stop getting "played" by some of these threads. You're not the first posters to fall for threads like this, but you got played "big time" by the fuse-lighter here--he wasted your effort, and wasted your points of view. Just like, from a certain point of view, I know my words here were pretty much wasted.
Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne...
No story can have life without writers and publishers.
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Union118
TH3 STRUGGL3
1
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Posted - 2015.12.29 21:55:00 -
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CELESTA AUNGM wrote:GǪGǪ. GǪGǪGǪGǪ.. GǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪ.. I can't believe all the people who posted here, including the CPM poster. You know, there are times when this well-intentioned "forum" melts down into just a "Facebook" name-calling swamp. And there are times when communication and information are productive here. But there are other times when sly individuals who are WAY cleverer than the mob of posters, decides to "use" the posters as marbles on the floor for his personal entertainment. I won't say what my profession is, but it does put me in contact with kids, so I recognize when clever kids manipulate "the less malicious, less-aware" kids into disruptive noise. In all your posts and passions, did you notice how the original author of this thread lit his fuse and never worried to post anything else afterwards. He satisfied his urge. He wanted to start a mob-disruption, and he figured he could herd you like a flock of sheep with just a single hit-n-run post of "bait words". GǪ.And looks like he was right. A whole mob, that got played. In my "Roles of New Eden" thread, I forgot to include that, there are Scammers and Saboteurs in the FORUM as well. Not just in the game. We could debate which Role the author was playing in his thread here. But more importantly, who are WE? Who ARE you? CCP is too nice and professional and cautious a host to say it, but I have nothing to lose the way they might lose if they ask the question, so: Who are you? Who are you to come in THEIR house, and demand that they give you reasons why they decide to do anything they do? This is a charming little leisure game where no player was ever forced to join, or is locked into a playing contract, or obligated to spend any money to learn this game. In a game like this the normal action of someone who objects to the game-designer is to uninstall or eject his gameGǪ and the normal action of someone who likes the game is to spend more time and money wearing out the console and the controller and smiling till your cheeks hurt. GǪ.Getting addicted to a game you don't have some patience for, and clogging up the websites/customer-service/forums with commandments and demands, like a King who deserves justification from your serf, CCPGǪ. that describes a whole different kind of behavior, not the 'normal' behavior I've met in other multi-player games. So you're gonna have to explain to me, what kind of weird new species of player are you? Who are you? They put a game out there for free (it's just a danged leisure game, not a pharmacist's prescription, not cancer treatment, not gov't law, AND it's for FREE). So who are you to keep demanding reasons from them as if Dust could somehow ever be more YOUR investment more than it is THEIR investment? It's the Christmas holiday period, and many career people won't be (aren't supposed to be) working in their chairs this month,GǪ but you refuse to have any understanding of how things work this time of year,GǪ so who are you? Every time (I mean EVERY) the devs have mapped a plan or given preliminary announcement of "new developments", 8 out of 10 of us use it for stone-throwing, lampooning, phantom-quarterbacking, and vile-commentary---NOT for so called "productive, helpful, feedback". But you pretend that you can't see how silence is such a sensible strategy for working with forum mobs like us,GǪ so who are you? Our parents were "obligated" to respond to us every time we repeatedly ask "are we there yet--are we there yet" every half hour,GǪ but the host in someone's house is never obligated to answer that question ever. Who are you to try to make the host of this game responsible to you and answerable to you the way your mothers were? Who are you to demand and expect justifications from someone for changing the paint color or when the furniture's going to be moved around in the house, when THEY are the Host/Owner, and you're just a guest? (Whether you 'bought' an extra pillow for your bed or notGǪ) Constant and repeated behavior like this is just the sign of Addicts, not game-players. And I don't mean that in the fun healthy way, I mean it as an unhealthy addiction. Snap out of this "they owe me" routine, and be Game-PlayersGǪ And stop getting "played" by some of these threads. You're not the first posters to fall for threads like this, but you got played "big time" by the fuse-lighter here--he wasted your effort, and wasted your points of view. Just like, from a certain point of view, I know my words here were pretty much wasted. Have i ever told you i love reading your posts. Its like reading a book. I cant wait for to read the sequel.
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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james selim brownstein
NECROM0NGERS
181
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Posted - 2015.12.29 22:42:00 -
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Not Vahzz wrote:Inb4 1.3 is the last update, and then we get ported Sorry to burst your bubble, but 1.3 WILL be the last update, i promise you.
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Ggg Hjjhk
BLUEBERRIES WITH AUTISM RUST415
13
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Posted - 2015.12.30 09:36:00 -
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Union118 wrote:[quote=CELESTA AUNGM]GǪGǪ. So you're gonna have to explain to me, what kind of weird new species of player are you? Who are you? the player that gets achievements in game for getting so many head shot, stabs, ect...like a participation trophy. ever notice most online games these days have those??? got to lvl 10!!! u now can let anyone who looks or cares. this doesnt have those little pop up telling you GOOD JOB KEEP PLAYING!! this game is like real life! cold, brutal, not giving trophys for doing what the game play requires??? basically a participation trophy for kicking a ball in a soccer game player XD
BTW: way to antagonize
Public APEX Punch
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
1
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Posted - 2015.12.30 11:21:00 -
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CELESTA AUNGM wrote:GǪGǪ. GǪGǪGǪGǪ.. GǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪ..
calm down , I know your trying to sound like a adult here, but coming off more like an angst, teenager looking for brownie points.
This game isn't a charity, F2P is a business model, fashioned by offering free access and asking for long term monetary support via in game incentives. That long term cash haul earns more than selling the game outright. Earning cash over a long term commitment means building up a rapport of trust with your paying customers, who pay to keep the game running. its not a charity, and CCP is only keeping the game running because of the guys who pump in cash. CCP is losing that trust right now.
Paying for the game doesn't mean players need access to the inner business workings of CCP. Paying for a game that is still undergoing development with an uncertain future, us paying Customers deserve some info as to where our investment ( the future of the development of Dust 514) is going.
Its a trip to a restaurant, paying for a meal and the chef tells you "we are going to change the menu sometime in the future don t worry about what we serve just pay me in advance. See you in 3 months"
Its not a guest visit to a house, or ''Daddy change this for me." l don't know if that's the extent of your life experience if you can't tell the difference between loyal paying customers kept 3 months out of the loop or yourself freeloading and believing you have no right to say anything because you paid nothing and expect nothing.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
"I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
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OGREL0RD
Community Cream Pie
6
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:57:00 -
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james selim brownstein wrote:Not Vahzz wrote:Inb4 1.3 is the last update, and then we get ported Sorry to burst your bubble, but 1.3 WILL be the last update, i promise you. He said that, can you not read?
Tyrant Lord of Cream Land
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Happy Violentime
1
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Posted - 2015.12.31 01:38:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:I don't mean to offend anyone, but we did say that we'll be silent until there is something to talk about. Simple as that.
Other than this, we're still working on 1.3, it will be released and it will be quite interesting.
So you're working on 1.3 and when released it will be interesting... But it's not worth talking about?? |
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