DUST Search - #PortDust514: What a next-generation Dust 514 means to YOU.

Maken Tosch wrote:

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Yes, this is exactly what I was aiming at guys.

Keep it up! I want to see what all of you come up with!

I'll add another one of my own: fully linked economy between both games

While many people continue to express worry over EVE players being able to buy everything they want, CCP had a transition plan in mind to slowly link the two markets and ensure everyone played nice.

EVE players would be producing all of our assets in bulk, which would likely end up reducing costs on popular hardware below what they are in the game right now. You also have to keep in mind that even with all the money in the game, you still have to have a Dust character who has the skills for it, and know how to use the asset.

I'm sure we've all seen a few times someone who runs nothing but Proto gear or fully Complex fit vehicles and just isn't very good with them.

To ease some concerns about Eve Capsuleers extorting Dust Mercs with mob-shakedown-style prices, the extremely competitive nature of the Eve Online economy ensures that the price of any commodity in the market is always the right price. The right price is however much the buyer and seller agree upon.

If I was an Eve Capsuleer who manufactured 50 units of a Scout Mk.0 and then posted them as a sell order for 1 million ISK each on the secondary market, some other Eve Capsuleer who manufactured the same thing or bought them for cheap in trade can then choose to undercut me by selling his/her own stock of 50 for 500,000 ISK each or even cheaper. At that point, who do you think loses? Me, because a Dust Merc found someone else who is a more reasonable seller.

It's that one check and balance that will ensure that prices stay under control in an economy that is run by the players.

As for Mobius' final point, there is an inverse to his point as well. I have seen players who run militia quite often and are still able to wreck protos because of their experience.

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Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.12.28 18:10:00 - [1] - Quote I've been reading some posts lately where people seem confused as to what the idea behind that hashtag is. Some people have even accused myself and others of wanting the game as it is now put onto the PS4 with a graphical upgrade and no changes to gameplay. That couldn't be further from the truth, but what I want to do now instead of arguing is set up another thread for everyone to talk about what THEY want from next generation Dust 514. Let's again try and keep the platform debate out in order to try and keep this discussion friendly. We all know each other's opinions on that by now anyway. So everyone, what new gameplay would you want to see if/when Dust 514 is moved to newer tech? I'll give a first example: PI (Planetary Interaction (EVE-side)) Raids. An EVE player drops a single CRU into the outskirts of another EVE player's PI colony. You are limited in both clones and that you can't call in vehicles. Your objective is to hijack automated transports to move to the Command Center before time runs out and it gets locked down. If you succeed, you then re-direct resources of your choosing to that location and launch them from the Command Center's launchpad into space where the coordinates of the container are then sent to the EVE player who dropped the CRU. The EVE player can then pick up the resources and the raid is a success. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Spaceman-Rob Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.12.28 18:19:00 - [2] - Quote 1080p at 60fps 64 player battles and better textures, lighting etc would be a real nice face lift for Dust.
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.12.28 18:23:00 - [3] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: 1080p at 60fps 64 player battles and better textures, lighting etc would be a real nice face lift for Dust. That would indeed be very nice. Personally, I think it would be neat to have those, but also 128 and even 256 player battles in Public Contracts for people who just want to jump in and have fun without a lot of preparation, but also want a larger-scale combined-arms experience. Hell, the M.A.G. veterans came here hoping they'd get those huge battles they missed. They and many many others would come back to the game for that. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
benandjerrys WarRavens Imperium Eden 1	Posted - 2015.12.28 18:26:00 - [4] - Quote Pi is the only "safe" niche market in k space of sorts. There is no implementation due to dealing with a product with a shelf life. Not saying PS 4 is a bad deal but at this pace we will be nearing the end of that consoles life span if things keep going the way they are. By saying #portdust514 to me means keeping an fps in the EvE universe and I'll be fine with however that looks. Free isk! (comment with in game name) #portdust514
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.12.28 18:28:00 - [5] - Quote benandjerrys wrote: Pi is the only "safe" niche market in k space of sorts. There is no implementation due to dealing with a product with a shelf life. Not saying PS 4 is a bad deal but at this pace we will be nearing the end of that consoles life span if things keep going the way they are. By saying #portdust514 to me means keeping an fps in the EvE universe and I'll be fine with however that looks. Yeah, the idea here is just to discuss what you want from a future version regardless of what platform it turns out to be on. You seem to have had a lot to say in the main #PortDust514 thread, so what would you personally want as an experience in a new Dust 514? Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
benandjerrys WarRavens Imperium Eden 1	Posted - 2015.12.28 18:55:00 - [6] - Quote A symbiotic relationship between the games as intended. Free isk! (comment with in game name) #portdust514
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.12.28 20:11:00 - [7] - Quote benandjerrys wrote: A symbiotic relationship between the games as intended. Any ideas you could put here? Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 13	Posted - 2015.12.28 20:14:00 - [8] - Quote Good post Mobius, and one that needed to be made. Highlighting another aspect of the #PortDust514 campaign. Mobius Wyvern wrote: PS4 This. The #PortDust514 campaign doesn't give a flying fedo's ass what platform we go to, so long as it is off the PS3. The real goals here are to A.) Get CCP to talk about the future of DUST 514 and B.) Get the game off the PS3. Become the phoenix, rise again
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 5	Posted - 2015.12.28 20:35:00 - [9] - Quote I want to ram a valkirie with an hardened gorgon, then proceed to board a spaceship with the same exact dropship. Have a forgegun heavy surfing the top of my DS while do this would be the icing on the cake. Camouflage master =ƒÄà
I Blame Society Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2015.12.28 20:39:00 - [10] - Quote Better graphics, more FPS, no lag, racial parity for ALL weapon variants and vehicles, AI drones, A STORY MODE, MISSIONS... I can go on forever. You shall not defeat me in combat, for I am the one who does not bleed... Face me, and you will lose yours.

Mortishai Belmont XxAMBUSH FTWxX Shadow of Dust 1	Posted - 2015.12.28 20:39:00 - [11] - Quote No port, stfu (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.12.28 20:42:00 - [12] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: No port, stfu Clearly you read the OP. Thank you for your helpful input. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 698	Posted - 2015.12.28 20:45:00 - [13] - Quote Truthfully I'm more interested in performance rather than pretty colors and better graphics.
Mortishai Belmont XxAMBUSH FTWxX Shadow of Dust 1	Posted - 2015.12.28 20:46:00 - [14] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: No port, stfu Clearly you read the OP. Thank you for your helpful input. Your welcome, hopefully it prevents another 80 threads talking about a port that's never gonna happen. False hope is bad for you. (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1	Posted - 2015.12.28 20:51:00 - [15] - Quote Graphics like Killzone: Shadow Fall, Full Racial Parity, character customization, PVE, proper trading, balanced matchmaking, in-game lore, and impact on FW. AmarrFTW "The Hero got his feelings hurt for 9 hp... " Not For Sale- Sanders 2016
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.12.28 21:55:00 - [16] - Quote I could care less about EVE link during the first iteration. What I want is first good visuals and frame rate so I'm not embarrassed to show my friends. A connected merc quarters room for social interaction because it's crazy how something so seemingly pointless has such a big impact on the overall feel. Last thing you want is navigating menus. Look at what Destiny has done with the Tower, then add in the basics like voice and text chat. Racial parity as well, it's embarrassing trying to respond to a new page asking where Amarr/Minmatar vehicles are. And lastly we need a more involved middle tier, not necessarily FW but more engaging than what we have now. Public matches won't hold onto most, and the opposite end of planetary conquest is too impractical for the majority (but still extremely important for the game's image). Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.12.28 22:05:00 - [17] - Quote I want shared passive scans GONE. Banished to never ever ever come back. I want meaningful EWAR. IE if I am giving up the specific advantages HP gives, I better get something just as good (only different) in return. NPE tutorials. True segmentation between play modes so try hards can't ruin the game for more casual players. To ride the tram. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 13	Posted - 2015.12.28 22:09:00 - [18] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I want shared passive scans GONE. Banished to never ever ever come back. Can we compromise with a module or equipment that must be fitted in order to share passive scans? Passive scans available to every squad member, all the time, are too much. Mobius Wyvern wrote: What new gameplay would you want to see if/when Dust 514 is moved to newer tech? I can't say this enough: PvE or PvEvP. Some kind of roaming salvage mission system with squads. You are encouraged to wander massive ship wrecks looking for rare metals or components to sell. Along the way you can encounter drones and pirates trying to do the same. Sometimes you run into another player squad. Who are they? Are they a friendly corp who restocks your ammo? Are they bloodthirsty assholes who want the wreck all to themselves. Become the phoenix, rise again
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.12.28 22:22:00 - [19] - Quote I would not necessarily hope for any meaningful link between Dust 514 on the next platform and Eve Online on the PC beyond that of Faction Warfare. But I do hope for CCP to learn from its mistakes. Regardless on what the next platform will be for Dust 514, the following is critical for the success of Dust. 1. Implement a proper secondary market that is as close to Eve Online's market as possible. By this I mean secure trade contracts, window trades with confirmation requirements, ability to trade Respecs for ISK like you would with some boosters today as that would be a real money maker for CCP like how PLEX is, a regional market window where players can post buy/sell orders in real time, and most importantly the ability to move yourself and your assets via your own personal warbarge from one system to another in any region. 2. Every player should have access to a testing range where they can try out vehicles, weapons, and dropsuits without having to learn how to use them the hard way at their expense. No enemies to bother them, no blueberries to steal their rides, etc. Just the player being by him/herself. A a director of DUST University, I find this to be extremely important in helping a new player learn the ropes. 3. Access to a test server via a separate client (like Eve Online) where CCP can safely test out new changes without impacting the main client so that players can try them out without having to deal with the headaches of living like lab rats. This way, if anything goes wrong then only the test client will be impacted and not the main client. 4. Overhaul the recruiter rewards system. At the moment, all we have is this... http://dust514.com/user/friends/ which is not helping considering that the rewards are no longer enticing and there is no way to visibly track the progress of our recruits. If anything. This hurts recruiting efforts greatly especially when there is little incentive to help retain new recruits. That is all I have to say for now. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Alena Ventrallis Commando Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.12.28 23:16:00 - [20] - Quote That CCP actually is willing to commit to a game through rain and sunshine, and are thus worthy of my continued financial investment in their products. Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.

Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.12.28 23:24:00 - [21] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: No port, stfu Clearly you read the OP. Thank you for your helpful input. Your welcome, hopefully it prevents another 80 threads talking about a port that's never gonna happen. False hope is bad for you. oh shut up nancy. Saying what's on people's minds
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.12.28 23:37:00 - [22] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I want shared passive scans GONE. Banished to never ever ever come back. Can we compromise with a module or equipment that must be fitted in order to share passive scans? Passive scans available to every squad member, all the time, are too much. Mobius Wyvern wrote: What new gameplay would you want to see if/when Dust 514 is moved to newer tech? I can't say this enough: PvE or PvEvP. Some kind of roaming salvage mission system with squads. You are encouraged to wander massive ship wrecks looking for rare metals or components to sell. Along the way you can encounter drones and pirates trying to do the same. Sometimes you run into another player squad. Who are they? Are they a friendly corp who restocks your ammo? Are they bloodthirsty assholes who want the wreck all to themselves. I couldn't agree more. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 7	Posted - 2015.12.29 07:13:00 - [23] - Quote What does a 'port' mean to me? I see it as a chance for the game to recapture the excitement and energy that I felt for DUST back in the beta. When things felt fresh and new and we had an an entire game to explore. I see it as a chance to correct horrible mistakes made early on in the PS3 version, and hopefully lead a way to a cleaner, more efficient, and more enjoyable game design and experience. To me the port is an escape from the apathy and frustration I feel with the game, and a chance to be part of something 'new' again. "That little sh*t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati
byte modal 357	Posted - 2015.12.29 07:38:00 - [24] - Quote Mostly a port to X means to me no more ranty port dust threads In all seriousness though, I'd expect secure space implemented, private shooting ranges to test fittings and weaponry without getting instaganked (at least a firing range for weaponry if SEC space is a go because we could test militia gear in higher SEC space with relative safety), Ideally, linked to EVE Legit player market hopefully linked to EVE basic NPE introducing newbies to gear, squad commands, and SP allocation knowledge Overhaul of the SP gain so that it's more in line with EVE rather than dealing with all these spastic compromises since beta in caps, boosting, farming, etc., etc. Not necessarily in that order. kitten bacon taco (nom)
Panther Alpha DarkWingsss 1	Posted - 2015.12.29 09:14:00 - [25] - Quote I just want to see what CCP can do without the limitations of the PS3. I always thought Dust 514 had great potential, but never saw it. 500gb of hard drive space ._._.Go mad .
I-Shayz-I I----------I 6	Posted - 2015.12.29 09:40:00 - [26] - Quote A FOCUS ON CHAT CHANNELS AND BONDING WITH LIKE MINDED MERCS Compared to every other multiplayer game out there, none have brought me together with such an awesome community and players as Dust 514. Some of my best friends I have met online in Dust, simply because of the way chat channels can let you find the same players to play with reliably in order to form bonds with those players. The other big thing is the NPE. Not having a visual/interactive tutorial is really bad for the actual battle part of the game. Not only that, but the entire "progression" tab needs to be reworked and made extremely simple so that new players can unlock suits modules and weapons all at once by saving up enough sp for the next tier of loadouts. Once they unlock a loadout, they can then purchase that loadout for isk as a way of "restocking". The current "loadouts" and "skills" tab should be the advanced section for players who are finally comfortable with buying their own suits and editing their own loadouts. Finally we need to simplify queues in order to better matchmake players and keep the queue times low. 3 separate queues: -Quick Battle (casual, basic rewards for everyone, rotating mix of game modes) -Faction Warfare (ranked battles, high level rewards skewed towards winners, objective based game modes) -Private Contracts (custom games, winner takes all style rewards, Planetary Conquest, Corporation Battles) On top of that, implementing some sort of ranking system or progression system would help keep end-game players woth something to do. A ranking system would match high rank players with other high rank players, keeping the lower tier players to fight in their own battles without the S ranks stomping all over them in a quick battle Hopefully though, the higher skilled and higher reward ranked battles would keep those players out of the low reward unranked quick battles 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1	Posted - 2015.12.29 10:36:00 - [27] - Quote Random gamemodes would be terrible. But i'd like PVE to be a valid option,for pubs and FW. Can't survive pubstomps? Well PVE welcomes you! With modes such as: -recon,locate and extract a valuable (insert thing here),but be warned the area is heavily infested. -infiltration/defense,an abandoned outpost has a cache of (insert thing here),a team of 2 squads must work together to accomplish the objective. One squad infiltrates and another stays outside to prevent the infestation from following them,the outside defenders must hold out until the infiltration team is finished to extract. Interestingly you could have 2 gamemodes combined here. Infiltration would be for loot. Defense would be for ISK. Someone who selects infiltration would do the infiltration.(Like skirm,ambush,or Dom) And someone who selects defense would do the defending. -hive,you must destroy a nest of drones but be warned an overseer class is on the field. You can destroy the nest and flee or wait and hunt the overseer drone for extra bonuses. (Obviously the overseer would be hard to kill.) -extermination,kill all the drones -Queen hunt,like hive but the queen unit can fight back and is mobile all while rapidly spawning drone minions to attack you,plus she can cloak for short periods of time while her minions repair her.But she's filled with oodles of rare goodies. Risk vs reward. Security determines difficulty. And while regular PVP is happening to keep territory,PVE is happening to reclaim territory in FW. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.12.29 14:47:00 - [28] - Quote Yes, this is exactly what I was aiming at guys. Keep it up! I want to see what all of you come up with! I'll add another one of my own: fully linked economy between both games While many people continue to express worry over EVE players being able to buy everything they want, CCP had a transition plan in mind to slowly link the two markets and ensure everyone played nice. EVE players would be producing all of our assets in bulk, which would likely end up reducing costs on popular hardware below what they are in the game right now. You also have to keep in mind that even with all the money in the game, you still have to have a Dust character who has the skills for it, and know how to use the asset. I'm sure we've all seen a few times someone who runs nothing but Proto gear or fully Complex fit vehicles and just isn't very good with them. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.12.29 23:59:00 - [29] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Yes, this is exactly what I was aiming at guys. Keep it up! I want to see what all of you come up with! I'll add another one of my own: fully linked economy between both games While many people continue to express worry over EVE players being able to buy everything they want, CCP had a transition plan in mind to slowly link the two markets and ensure everyone played nice. EVE players would be producing all of our assets in bulk, which would likely end up reducing costs on popular hardware below what they are in the game right now. You also have to keep in mind that even with all the money in the game, you still have to have a Dust character who has the skills for it, and know how to use the asset. I'm sure we've all seen a few times someone who runs nothing but Proto gear or fully Complex fit vehicles and just isn't very good with them. To ease some concerns about Eve Capsuleers extorting Dust Mercs with mob-shakedown-style prices, the extremely competitive nature of the Eve Online economy ensures that the price of any commodity in the market is always the right price. The right price is however much the buyer and seller agree upon. If I was an Eve Capsuleer who manufactured 50 units of a Scout Mk.0 and then posted them as a sell order for 1 million ISK each on the secondary market, some other Eve Capsuleer who manufactured the same thing or bought them for cheap in trade can then choose to undercut me by selling his/her own stock of 50 for 500,000 ISK each or even cheaper. At that point, who do you think loses? Me, because a Dust Merc found someone else who is a more reasonable seller. It's that one check and balance that will ensure that prices stay under control in an economy that is run by the players. As for Mobius' final point, there is an inverse to his point as well. I have seen players who run militia quite often and are still able to wreck protos because of their experience. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.12.30 04:44:00 - [30] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Yes, this is exactly what I was aiming at guys. Keep it up! I want to see what all of you come up with! I'll add another one of my own: fully linked economy between both games While many people continue to express worry over EVE players being able to buy everything they want, CCP had a transition plan in mind to slowly link the two markets and ensure everyone played nice. EVE players would be producing all of our assets in bulk, which would likely end up reducing costs on popular hardware below what they are in the game right now. You also have to keep in mind that even with all the money in the game, you still have to have a Dust character who has the skills for it, and know how to use the asset. I'm sure we've all seen a few times someone who runs nothing but Proto gear or fully Complex fit vehicles and just isn't very good with them. To ease some concerns about Eve Capsuleers extorting Dust Mercs with mob-shakedown-style prices, the extremely competitive nature of the Eve Online economy ensures that the price of any commodity in the market is always the right price. The right price is however much the buyer and seller agree upon. If I was an Eve Capsuleer who manufactured 50 units of a Scout Mk.0 and then posted them as a sell order for 1 million ISK each on the secondary market, some other Eve Capsuleer who manufactured the same thing or bought them for cheap in trade can then choose to undercut me by selling his/her own stock of 50 for 500,000 ISK each or even cheaper. At that point, who do you think loses? Me, because a Dust Merc found someone else who is a more reasonable seller. It's that one check and balance that will ensure that prices stay under control in an economy that is run by the players. As for Mobius' final point, there is an inverse to his point as well. I have seen players who run militia quite often and are still able to wreck protos because of their experience. Very good points. I forgot to point those out in my own post because I was doing it somewhat quickly while at work. Having EVE players manufacturing Dust assets would mean you'd always get the lowest possible prices, making gear more affordable for everyone. As well, one of the stated elements of previous discussions of integration plans at FanFest and EVE Vegas was that the NPC buy orders would all remain on the market for the first phase, ensuring the only way EVE players could make any money would be to sell below those prices. Once everything normalized, they'd remove the NPC buy orders and we'd have a full open market. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector



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