DUST Search - completely get rid of aim assist

CELESTA AUNGM wrote:

Alena Asakura wrote:

IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote:

i swear more people played when we didnt have it and these people should have to use a lot of skill to aim at you if they gonna dance so fast

Totally agree. I very much doubt that they would be able to keep aim while doing their "footwork".

LOL, there are way too many theories about why it seems "more" people played Dust back before the Aim Assist was introduced. So I can't agree with this stance from the very first post in this thread.

Dust was more BRUTAL and hard to play back then, and that kind of "game" has a way of hooking long-term players and cerebral players FAR more than it does quickie short-term players and simple-game lovers. (But, interestingly the long-term players resist using AUR more than the short-term players---I am an example of that---so CCP's recent profit may be HELPED by having a fast turn around of short-term players, instead of the "more" long-term players you enjoyed before Aim Assist).
WOW. What a theory.

Another theory is, fewer people are playing the current version of the game because there's not as clear a path to climb towards Planetary Conquest benefits right now. Not having anything at all to do with "Aim Assist". Back then, it was ultra-cool to finally build your character to a level respectful enough to dip your foot in a PC match----today, PC is played for fun, with less prestige and less struggle... so why worry to build ambitions and stick around in this game for the long haul anymore? Play like Destiny for 3 months or so, then yawn and put it down.

See? All sorts of theories.
I won't give my opinion about Aim Assist again.
But it is cool to play in a sci-fi environment where your weapon-technology has become so adept at scanning an enemy,
identifying the make of her dropsuit,

xd
analizing her suit hp weakness,
and plotting the highest probability of hit and kill,...
....that we don't just "attack" an opponent in this universe. In New Eden you MUST coat you suit in peanut butter, jiggle from side to side rapidly, and drag a live farm hen on a rope behind you,... to try to throw off the opponent's targeting system as you run up to fight him.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I'm serious, I LIKE this. It's funny, it's hilarious to see what some of you do to avoid a slug in the forehead, and I don't have laughter-fun any other PS3 game nearly as much as my good time playing Dust.

...Maybe that's why my BF doesn't play this game with me as much any more. He takes the gameplay more seriously than me.

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Viktor Hadah Jr 0uter.Heaven 9	Posted - 2016.01.14 16:22:00 - [31] - Quote IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: i swear more people played when we didnt have it and these people should have to use a lot of skill to aim at you if they gonna dance so fast there was a time when we did not have aim assist. I stop playing video games, I don't "retire" Buying dead and inactive corporations
sullen maximus Rawdy Horde 18	Posted - 2016.01.14 17:03:00 - [32] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: i swear more people played when we didnt have it and these people should have to use a lot of skill to aim at you if they gonna dance so fast Aim assist is not the problem. In fact, DUST has very little aim assist compare to most other FPS console games. The main problem with DUST is DUST supports KB/M (keyboard and mouse) where few KB/M players are able to constantly do headshots while most are lucky to get headshots here and there with their thumbsticks. Besides, to make a controller strafe back and forth, there is a neutral space that must be passed across causing a delay in movement while arrow keys have no such neutral space thereby going left to right and right to left without delay. This has been pointed out numerous times. If all aim assist was to be removed, KB/M players would likely simply r a p e controller players all the more. I have said this multiple times but of course I always here the same "you can do the same thing on a controller!" which is complete horsesh!t. I fitted a agile as **** min suit up and test with a friend watching how fast the movement stick could be moved. It's still nothing compared to the instantaneous movement of someone using a kb/m. What's more is that kb/m players know this and will mash those "A,D,A,D,A,D" every single time you fight them. What's more is that the movement is SO quick that there are server lags in the hit detection so you can be hitting them square on but not doing damage. I know about juking. I've been playing fps on consuls for over a decade. But this is absurd. Why CCP allowed this disparity in controls though is beyond me. I don't know if they did to cater to their PC masses from EVE but it should have never been allowed. There is a reason that KB/M is NEVER allowed in ANY consul video game tournament and so long as they continue to allow two different controls with very different rules applied to them nothing will truly be "fair".
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2016.01.14 23:06:00 - [33] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: i swear more people played when we didnt have it and these people should have to use a lot of skill to aim at you if they gonna dance so fast Aim assist is not the problem. In fact, DUST has very little aim assist compare to most other FPS console games. The main problem with DUST is DUST supports KB/M (keyboard and mouse) where few KB/M players are able to constantly do headshots while most are lucky to get headshots here and there with their thumbsticks. Besides, to make a controller strafe back and forth, there is a neutral space that must be passed across causing a delay in movement while arrow keys have no such neutral space thereby going left to right and right to left without delay. This has been pointed out numerous times. If all aim assist was to be removed, KB/M players would likely simply r a p e controller players all the more. While the reason for AA's existence is correct, the description (the R.) is hugely exxagarated. KBM did have somewhat of an advantage before AA, but that's it. It was never a winning ticket. But, still advantage nevertheless and some corrective actions were justified against it. "Cut cut cut - Trim trim trim!" KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Pope Chester 514 MAFIA 27	Posted - 2016.01.15 18:02:00 - [34] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: With the amount of things wrong in Dust you pick up Aim Assist ? Lol you need help and a dose of my thread. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=206464 Lol, exactly. Ironicly aim assist only inhibits me, as it pulls me away from the enemy I'm shooting if another enemy runs near him, so I turned it off, and suprize surprise, I aim better, far more head shots
Unholy HateGore highland marines 139	Posted - 2016.01.15 18:09:00 - [35] - Quote You can get rid of it if you want but it doesn't stop people who have lock on controllers.
Soto Gallente BLUEBERRIES WITH AUTISM RUST415 226	Posted - 2016.01.15 18:29:00 - [36] - Quote Unholy HateGore wrote: You can get rid of it if you want but it doesn't stop people who have lock on controllers. That's a thing? Ex-news reporter for The Scope
IMMORTAL WAR HERO NECROM0NGERS 474	Posted - 2016.01.29 04:31:00 - [37] - Quote Unholy HateGore wrote: You can get rid of it if you want but it doesn't stop people who have lock on controllers. ok now isnt that called skill when aim assist removed Object of war is not2 die 4ur country murder bastard 4 his
IMMORTAL WAR HERO NECROM0NGERS 478	Posted - 2016.01.29 04:49:00 - [38] - Quote Soto Gallente wrote: Unholy HateGore wrote: You can get rid of it if you want but it doesn't stop people who have lock on controllers. That's a thing? i think its called good motor control skills in your brain yo Object of war is not2 die 4ur country murder bastard 4 his
Soto Gallente 552	Posted - 2016.01.29 04:49:00 - [39] - Quote IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: Soto Gallente wrote: Unholy HateGore wrote: You can get rid of it if you want but it doesn't stop people who have lock on controllers. That's a thing? i think its called good motor control skills in your brain yo Lol, that's called skill, not lock on controllers. Ex-news reporter for The Scope
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 355	Posted - 2016.01.29 06:45:00 - [40] - Quote Sergeant Sazu wrote: Atiim wrote: Correlation Gëá Causation I must know. What's the keyboard shortcut for the "does not equal" sign? I hate being stuck with doing a "=/=". Normally it's <>

Lucifalic Baked n Loaded 858	Posted - 2016.01.29 13:35:00 - [41] - Quote I was and am a kb/m player especially before MAG. But have you ever tried dust with kb/m???? It's teeeerble. Like someone poured molAsses into your soul. Kb/m is not the problem. Bad coding/PS3 interactions are. And ****** South American internets Here since Closed beta. That's messed up
Forlorn Destrier Incorruptibles 3	Posted - 2016.01.29 16:12:00 - [42] - Quote IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: i swear more people played when we didnt have it and these people should have to use a lot of skill to aim at you if they gonna dance so fast We have always had aim assist. In fact, it used to be much much stronger and was lowered in sensitivity quite a bit. I am the *Forgotten Warhorse, a Lord of Lightning* I am *Havok, Incorruptible*
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 788	Posted - 2016.01.29 17:51:00 - [43] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: i swear more people played when we didnt have it and these people should have to use a lot of skill to aim at you if they gonna dance so fast Totally agree. I very much doubt that they would be able to keep aim while doing their "footwork". LOL, there are way too many theories about why it seems "more" people played Dust back before the Aim Assist was introduced. So I can't agree with this stance from the very first post in this thread. Dust was more BRUTAL and hard to play back then, and that kind of "game" has a way of hooking long-term players and cerebral players FAR more than it does quickie short-term players and simple-game lovers. (But, interestingly the long-term players resist using AUR more than the short-term players---I am an example of that---so CCP's recent profit may be HELPED by having a fast turn around of short-term players, instead of the "more" long-term players you enjoyed before Aim Assist). WOW. What a theory. Another theory is, fewer people are playing the current version of the game because there's not as clear a path to climb towards Planetary Conquest benefits right now. Not having anything at all to do with "Aim Assist". Back then, it was ultra-cool to finally build your character to a level respectful enough to dip your foot in a PC match----today, PC is played for fun, with less prestige and less struggle... so why worry to build ambitions and stick around in this game for the long haul anymore? Play like Destiny for 3 months or so, then yawn and put it down. See? All sorts of theories. I won't give my opinion about Aim Assist again. But it is cool to play in a sci-fi environment where your weapon-technology has become so adept at scanning an enemy, identifying the make of her dropsuit, analizing her suit hp weakness, and plotting the highest probability of hit and kill,... ....that we don't just "attack" an opponent in this universe. In New Eden you MUST coat you suit in peanut butter, jiggle from side to side rapidly, and drag a live farm hen on a rope behind you,... to try to throw off the opponent's targeting system as you run up to fight him. I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I'm serious, I LIKE this. It's funny, it's hilarious to see what some of you do to avoid a slug in the forehead, and I don't have laughter-fun any other PS3 game nearly as much as my good time playing Dust. ...Maybe that's why my BF doesn't play this game with me as much any more. He takes the gameplay more seriously than me. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
KEROSIINI-TERO Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2016.01.29 19:02:00 - [44] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: i swear more people played when we didnt have it and these people should have to use a lot of skill to aim at you if they gonna dance so fast We have always had aim assist. In fact, it used to be much much stronger and was lowered in sensitivity quite a bit. It might have been on the menu, but like so many other things, it was nonfunctional. The AA as we know it was introduced during early fall of 2013, probably August and then tweaked in September. "Cut cut cut - Trim trim trim!" KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Forlorn Destrier Incorruptibles 3	Posted - 2016.01.29 19:58:00 - [45] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: i swear more people played when we didnt have it and these people should have to use a lot of skill to aim at you if they gonna dance so fast We have always had aim assist. In fact, it used to be much much stronger and was lowered in sensitivity quite a bit. It might have been on the menu, but like so many other things, it was nonfunctional. The AA as we know it was introduced during early fall of 2013, probably August and then tweaked in September. If my memory is correct, AA existed prior to that, but hit detection was non-existent (we could fire 2 full clips AR rounds at a target not moving and only 5 meters away and no damage would register). As a result, it was if it didn't exist. Once they updated that, CCP realized the AA was too strong and lowered it. I am the *Forgotten Warhorse, a Lord of Lightning* I am *Havok, Incorruptible*
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 356	Posted - 2016.01.29 20:03:00 - [46] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: I won't give my opinion about Aim Assist again. But it is cool to play in a sci-fi environment where your weapon-technology has become so adept at scanning an enemy, identifying the make of her dropsuit, analizing her suit hp weakness, and plotting the highest probability of hit and kill,... ....that we don't just "attack" an opponent in this universe. In New Eden you MUST coat you suit in peanut butter, jiggle from side to side rapidly, and drag a live farm hen on a rope behind you,... to try to throw off the opponent's targeting system as you run up to fight him. I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I'm serious, I LIKE this. It's funny, it's hilarious to see what some of you do to avoid a slug in the forehead, and I don't have laughter-fun any other PS3 game nearly as much as my good time playing Dust. ...Maybe that's why my BF doesn't play this game with me as much any more. He takes the gameplay more seriously than me. Well, I for one an turned off by all the coating in peanut butter, jiggling from side to side rapidly and dragging live farm hens on a rope behind me. I find all such things inane and ridiculous, as clearly do you. But I don't find them "laughter-fun", I actually dislike them to the point of quitting the game whenever I encounter something like this that offends me to a great enough extent. I continue to play as much as possible as I always have FPSs, firing from cover, aiming using sights where possible, from a distance where my better aim using my preferred weapons (usually a good RR) will have a greater effect on my target than they could possibly have on me. I am ultimately most incensed by being taken out from the flank, while in cover, by someone blatantly out in the open where they have no reasonable right to be, because in any decent FPS, they would have died from someone else long before they got a chance to target me. When that happens is when I usually turn off the console and do something more productive, at least until I cool down enough to contemplate the prospects of such idiocy again. No I don't find such things "fun". They to me are an indication I'm wasting my time playing this game. If the dynamics of the game were such that people couldn't get away with anything so puerile as that described above, and people actually had to do "normal" things like firing from cover, etc, then I probably would feel this game had some sort of future. Perhaps it really does just come down to rapid turnover of high-AUR using players. I'm not a long-liner at Dust but I am in New Eden, and I certainly don't count as a high-AUR user. I loath AUR, as do most of the EvE players I know. But CCP makes money from AUR in Dust, so it's reasonable they would develop the game to be one that favours the high-turnover model, rather than the player retention model. The problem is, as far as I can see, there is certainly high turnover, but the player retention is suffering so badly, there may not be enough players for the high turnover players to fight against! All that said, every day I find my time playing Dust is decreasing, I quit and turn off the console faster, I leave battle faster on seeing something ridiculous, or being stomped in a pub that's supposed to be loaded with players at my level (no I don't believe that, but it's supposed to be that way, apparently). In short, if I were to plot it, I'd say my time playing Dust each day is asymptotic to the x-axis, and in the not-too-distant future, unless the fabled 1.3 seriously fixes a lot of these issues, which I do not believe are even seen as issues, I will be turning off the console so soon after starting play that I might as well leave it off.
GeorgeN76 Eden Claims Corp 2	Posted - 2016.01.29 20:17:00 - [47] - Quote How about making aim assist work only if you are stationary? Dancing queens wouldnt have aim assist Scouts and Swarms New Edens Pawn Shop
XxWarlordxX97 just relaxing 4	Posted - 2016.01.29 20:36:00 - [48] - Quote IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: i swear more people played when we didnt have it and these people should have to use a lot of skill to aim at you if they gonna dance so fast Keyboards are already better then the DS3 controller to use but lets make them in invincible Armor tanked heavies are pathetic
Soto Gallente 572	Posted - 2016.01.29 20:37:00 - [49] - Quote XxWarlordxX97 wrote: IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: i swear more people played when we didnt have it and these people should have to use a lot of skill to aim at you if they gonna dance so fast Keyboards are already better then the DS3 controller to use but lets make them in invincible Lol, have you ever tried using the KB/M? Ex-news reporter for The Scope
IMMORTAL WAR HERO NECROM0NGERS 482	Posted - 2016.04.26 07:50:00 - [50] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: i swear more people played when we didnt have it and these people should have to use a lot of skill to aim at you if they gonna dance so fast Totally agree. I very much doubt that they would be able to keep aim while doing their "footwork". LOL, there are way too many theories about why it seems "more" people played Dust back before the Aim Assist was introduced. So I can't agree with this stance from the very first post in this thread. Dust was more BRUTAL and hard to play back then, and that kind of "game" has a way of hooking long-term players and cerebral players FAR more than it does quickie short-term players and simple-game lovers. (But, interestingly the long-term players resist using AUR more than the short-term players---I am an example of that---so CCP's recent profit may be HELPED by having a fast turn around of short-term players, instead of the "more" long-term players you enjoyed before Aim Assist). WOW. What a theory. Another theory is, fewer people are playing the current version of the game because there's not as clear a path to climb towards Planetary Conquest benefits right now. Not having anything at all to do with "Aim Assist". Back then, it was ultra-cool to finally build your character to a level respectful enough to dip your foot in a PC match----today, PC is played for fun, with less prestige and less struggle... so why worry to build ambitions and stick around in this game for the long haul anymore? Play like Destiny for 3 months or so, then yawn and put it down. See? All sorts of theories. I won't give my opinion about Aim Assist again. But it is cool to play in a sci-fi environment where your weapon-technology has become so adept at scanning an enemy, identifying the make of her dropsuit, xd analizing her suit hp weakness, and plotting the highest probability of hit and kill,... ....that we don't just "attack" an opponent in this universe. In New Eden you MUST coat you suit in peanut butter, jiggle from side to side rapidly, and drag a live farm hen on a rope behind you,... to try to throw off the opponent's targeting system as you run up to fight him. I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I'm serious, I LIKE this. It's funny, it's hilarious to see what some of you do to avoid a slug in the forehead, and I don't have laughter-fun any other PS3 game nearly as much as my good time playing Dust. ...Maybe that's why my BF doesn't play this game with me as much any more. He takes the gameplay more seriously than me. Object of war is not2 die 4ur country murder bastard 4 his

IWH HAS OFFICER IMMORTAL WAR HEROES LIVE IN CANADA BRUH 8	Posted - 2016.07.24 01:01:00 - [51] - Quote IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: i swear more people played when we didnt have it and these people should have to use a lot of skill to aim at you if they gonna dance so fast well I guess aim assist is gone then
IWH HAS OFFICER IMMORTAL WAR HEROES LIVE IN CANADA BRUH 8	Posted - 2016.07.24 01:05:00 - [52] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Weren't you the guy making multiple "I'm quitting Dust" love songs? no i made a christmas without dust its different its was stolen from me dust was
DeadlyAztec11 9574	Posted - 2016.07.25 05:09:00 - [53] - Quote Atiim wrote: Correlation Gëá Causation Thank God this was the first comment. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
DeadlyAztec11 9574	Posted - 2016.07.25 05:11:00 - [54] - Quote IWH HAS OFFICER wrote: IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: i swear more people played when we didnt have it and these people should have to use a lot of skill to aim at you if they gonna dance so fast well I guess aim assist is gone then You bumped a thread from last year twice. Biomass yourself. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 13120	Posted - 2016.07.25 08:19:00 - [55] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: You bumped a thread from last year twice. Biomass yourself. Seconded. Yes, I am a Goon. No, I don't care about your spacepolitik.
IMMORTAL WAR HERO NECROM0NGERS 574	Posted - 2016.07.26 16:01:00 - [56] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: You bumped a thread from last year twice. Biomass yourself. Seconded. yeah just some proof i been here awhile for some reason this the oldest post i have without lock on it lol Object of war is not2 die 4ur country murder bastard 4 his
Lightning35 Delta514 Federation Marines 62 4918	Posted - 2016.07.26 19:10:00 - [57] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Sergeant Sazu wrote: Atiim wrote: Correlation Gëá Causation I must know. What's the keyboard shortcut for the "does not equal" sign? I hate being stuck with doing a "=/=". Its the Gëá key of course. CEO of Federation Marines 62 - Bravo Company Gallente - Freedom - Quafe - Gk.0s/Gv.0s - 72m SP
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 30102	Posted - 2016.07.26 19:31:00 - [58] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Atiim wrote: Correlation Gëá Causation Thank God this was the first comment. Atiim was a good sort. Gentlemen. It has been a pleasure. o7
DeadlyAztec11 9577	Posted - 2016.07.27 02:02:00 - [59] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Atiim wrote: Correlation Gëá Causation Thank God this was the first comment. Atiim was a good sort. When we initially rolled him out the audience didn't really take to him because we over did it with his edginess. Though rather than soften up the character by making him kinder we instead increased his wit and gave him a compass of justice. And people really took to him after that. The producers over at GJR studios couldn't have been happier. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
IMMORTAL WAR HERO NECROM0NGERS 576	Posted - 2016.07.28 16:18:00 - [60] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Atiim wrote: Correlation Gëá Causation Thank God this was the first comment. Atiim was a good sort. XD Object of war is not2 die 4ur country murder bastard 4 his



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