DUST Search - Will there be a cpm summit?

Llamastar wrote:

Avallo Kantor wrote:

Not to mention they are still restricted in talking about DUST based on various NDAs and other factors that tie their hands, especially if they wish to avoid any accidental information leaks.

CSM Members are under the same NDA, and manage to post daily about their own thoughts and opinions, as well as ask for clarity around popular player generated ideas and requests. That's not breaking NDA, and a CSM/CPM Member is in no way shape or form discouraged from talking about their own personal gameplay, thoughts, and opinions. The NDA isn't a gag order. It's a limitation on talking about confidential information specifically. Stop using it as a blanket justification for low engagement, please.

I won't belabor the point, but to reiterate: I was comparing apples and apples. CSM Member engagement v CPM Member engagement, with the community, specifically. You point out accurately that there aren't as many broad channels of engagements. Yet you list off the prime examples of channels that do exist. I'm merely pointing out that there's opportunity to engage in a completely non-illicit way that's not being taken advantage of. That's all.

That being said you're welcome to your opinion that a good job is being done. Personally, I don't see it. Maybe that opinion will change over time, but at the moment I just see a stark and unfortunate contrast between CPM and it's ancestral body.

I also am amazed at the platform-self-loathing implied by a complete unwillingness to being compared or contrasted to the EVE CSM, as if the two games weren't irreversibly intertwined at all levels ( Lore, races, basic gameplay concepts, and day to day real granular impact ). Imho DUST should have at least one representative on the CSM to champion inter-game related features, and say what's working and what's not. Vice versa an EVE representative in the CPM to talk about DUST impacts on FW, etc. Perhaps a pipe dream but it seems like a not-unreasonable idea. I can tell you frankly that the vast majority of EVE players have not the first clue of what DUST players actually do, or for example that DUST FW has any direct consequences in the EVE state of FW affairs at all. This is not talked about, discussed, or widely known; even in FW discussions. If there was wider understanding of the impact that the grunts had on the sandbox, it could go a long way towards getting influential entities to try to leverage that. A CSM DUST player talking about these topics is a PR opportunity at the very least.

Who knows if there's opportunity for any of that. I along with everyone else am waiting for some big announcement regarding the future of the platform, and what the future holds for two very good games with two player bases in different states of angst. I personally am hoping there's big things ahead for the next major iteration, because this is a great game that needs to keep getting bigger and stronger.


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Avallo Kantor 1	Posted - 2016.01.14 19:39:00 - [1] - Quote I'd argue that the CPM is not doing a poor job at all, and that they have performed admirably in a terrible situation. As to prior comments about poor CPM communication outside of their own comm channels and skype, I would counter with the fact that DUST simply has a smaller community than EVE and there are factually less third party avenues for them to appear in. There are no as many DUST podcasts compared to EVE, and fewer channels for them to communicate on. Not to mention they are still restricted in talking about DUST based on various NDAs and other factors that tie their hands, especially if they wish to avoid any accidental information leaks. Simply said, they cannot speak on what CCP does not wish them to speak of, and DUST has given NOTHING to say in about half a year, were as EVE has already shared vague plans of the future (Citadels, evolving storyline, etc) that the CSM can speak about, albeit in a cryptic non-answer sort of way, or at least support and talk about hypotheticals. Also, might I mention that for all the "lack of CPM communication" you are complaining about, you are speaking to a CPM member in this thread, and that they are actively responding to multiple threads? "Mind Blown" - CCP Rattati
Avallo Kantor 1	Posted - 2016.01.14 21:47:00 - [2] - Quote Llamastar wrote: Avallo Kantor wrote: Not to mention they are still restricted in talking about DUST based on various NDAs and other factors that tie their hands, especially if they wish to avoid any accidental information leaks. CSM Members are under the same NDA, and manage to post daily about their own thoughts and opinions, as well as ask for clarity around popular player generated ideas and requests. That's not breaking NDA, and a CSM/CPM Member is in no way shape or form discouraged from talking about their own personal gameplay, thoughts, and opinions. The NDA isn't a gag order. It's a limitation on talking about confidential information specifically. Stop using it as a blanket justification for low engagement, please. I won't belabor the point, but to reiterate: I was comparing apples and apples. CSM Member engagement v CPM Member engagement, with the community, specifically. You point out accurately that there aren't as many broad channels of engagements. Yet you list off the prime examples of channels that do exist. I'm merely pointing out that there's opportunity to engage in a completely non-illicit way that's not being taken advantage of. That's all. That being said you're welcome to your opinion that a good job is being done. Personally, I don't see it. Maybe that opinion will change over time, but at the moment I just see a stark and unfortunate contrast between CPM and it's ancestral body. I also am amazed at the platform-self-loathing implied by a complete unwillingness to being compared or contrasted to the EVE CSM, as if the two games weren't irreversibly intertwined at all levels ( Lore, races, basic gameplay concepts, and day to day real granular impact ). Imho DUST should have at least one representative on the CSM to champion inter-game related features, and say what's working and what's not. Vice versa an EVE representative in the CPM to talk about DUST impacts on FW, etc. Perhaps a pipe dream but it seems like a not-unreasonable idea. I can tell you frankly that the vast majority of EVE players have not the first clue of what DUST players actually do, or for example that DUST FW has any direct consequences in the EVE state of FW affairs at all. This is not talked about, discussed, or widely known; even in FW discussions. If there was wider understanding of the impact that the grunts had on the sandbox, it could go a long way towards getting influential entities to try to leverage that. A CSM DUST player talking about these topics is a PR opportunity at the very least. Who knows if there's opportunity for any of that. I along with everyone else am waiting for some big announcement regarding the future of the platform, and what the future holds for two very good games with two player bases in different states of angst. I personally am hoping there's big things ahead for the next major iteration, because this is a great game that needs to keep getting bigger and stronger. I completely understand where you are coming from, but I would counterpoint on the matter of discussion that a lot of it has died down. Honestly speaking these six months of silence, regardless of what CCP's intentions are, has put more than a few buckets of cold water on the enthusiasm of the community, and a lot of discussion has died down as good bits of the more active community has went into hibernation or left. Not that I am claiming the game is dying, it's just in a ... recess. This has impacted the CPM as well, and I can report than when there was more excitement and discussion the CPM was highly involved in discussions, starting numerous threads on the topics themselves, and being -very- proactive in looking out for player feedback, and understanding the reasons for that feedback. The long term silence however has stifled that, and likely behind the scenes caused a shift in CPM focus from getting players to talk to CCP to getting CCP to talk to players. Because of that, CPM is likely spending a good bit of their resources (which they have a limited amount of due to this being charity work) working directly with CCP on our behalf. Sadly we can't know what that feedback is, and it may well just be falling on deaf ears. As to Darth's earlier statements, the CSM has had an extremely spotty past with numerous incidents marring it's record over the years. For many long time EVE players that is a lasting mark on the CSM that many think on when thinking of them, and it's understandable that Darth has both pride that CPM has not had similar screwups and indignation they are being compared unfairly to an organization that has caused so much turmoil in the past. "Mind Blown" - CCP Rattati