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Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 7	Posted - 2015.12.22 01:55:00 - [1] - Quote This also goes with the following threads: Lessons from Fanfest 2014 What Would You Expect to Transfer if a Port Happens? Going on the same assumption that Dust is remade for a next gen system, assuming that it ends up on a platform that you're capable of playing it on. How would you feel if all of your Assets, ISK, LP, and SP was wiped when you transfered your character to the new game? For the sake of argument, assume that you would retain all unspent AUR and boosters, but would not receive a refund for AUR spent on BPOs, Boosters, ect. How would you rate it if you received some sort of Veteran Package that includes some unique SKINs, avatar, ect. that is only possible to get if you are DUST veteran, but still lost all of your SP, ISK, ect. Rate it on a scale of 1 to 5 with 1 being "I would not mind this at all and would play the new game happily" and 5 being "I would hate this and refuse to play the new game". Again just kind of curious what people think since the feedback in the other thread was pretty widely spread, and Im curious on how people would react a theoretical worst case scenario. "That little sh*t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati
byte modal 349	Posted - 2015.12.22 02:02:00 - [2] - Quote -5? I'd dance in the streets if it meant a proper redirection of progression and player division based on EVE security space ...as explained in the other thread. A nod to the originals would be spiffy. Beyond that, nothing good can come of it unless under the restrictions already mentioned. Just IMHO. Doesn't seem too many agree though ;) kitten bacon taco (nom)
Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.12.22 02:05:00 - [3] - Quote 1 The Mistress of Massdrivers Buying Council's Modified Repair Tool 4m ea Check out my thread in player
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.12.22 02:05:00 - [4] - Quote I would be pretty upset to lose all my SP though I am pretty sure I would get over it if I were compensated with something awesome. I would be more upset to lose my BPOs and Skins.
Dengru Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 579	Posted - 2015.12.22 02:07:00 - [5] - Quote 4 (>^_^)><(^.^<)
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1	Posted - 2015.12.22 02:09:00 - [6] - Quote 1, Quite honestly I wouldn't mind reliving the experience of the grind, especially if they made the game better and complete. Would be nice if our names appeared "Dusted" in the boards and stuff, maybe have our avatar look battle-worn. Course this is all assuming it ever happens. AmarrFTW "The Hero got his feelings hurt for 9 hp... " Not For Sale- Sanders 2016
VAHZZ Community Cream Pie 10	Posted - 2015.12.22 02:15:00 - [7] - Quote I actually would not mind it, in fact i would welcome it. SP does not actually value the actual skill level of a player, you can not spec into gun game, it just values the gear. Hell, some would say starter gear is OP. All I want, is a port, if i lose my SP, then oh well. The people getting butthurt about SP are the ones who can't do anything without protostomping. But, you know, all proto falls to my militia forge gun anyway. *Long Live The King* @Aldturtl
VAHZZ Community Cream Pie 10	Posted - 2015.12.22 02:16:00 - [8] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Would be nice if our names appeared "Dusted" in the boards and stuff, maybe have our avatar look battle-worn. Course this is all assuming it ever happens. This times a billion. *Long Live The King* @Aldturtl
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 9	Posted - 2015.12.22 02:22:00 - [9] - Quote 5 I don't have the time to gather SP like I did when I first started out. Having a nice amount at the start would be cool. If the port has good matchmaking and actual security status on maps, or what have you, then you wouldn't need to worry about this, in my opinion. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 672	Posted - 2015.12.22 02:27:00 - [10] - Quote http://m.imgur.com/gallery/kS8iGlb I'd like to keep my SP, Aurum, Skins, and BPOs. The isk can go to the wind for all I care. The other stuff I put time and money into.

TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 672	Posted - 2015.12.22 02:30:00 - [11] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: http://m.imgur.com/gallery/kS8iGlb I'd like to keep my SP, Aurum, Skins, and BPOs. The isk can go to the wind for all I care. The other stuff I put time and money into. 5 I just couldn't start from scratch again.
Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion 3	Posted - 2015.12.22 02:31:00 - [12] - Quote 4. I'd be mad cuz time and money was spent to reach SP level but i would still play. CEO of T-W-L YT- LD3514 Gallente Loyalist- ION PISTOL FOR LIFE! GFQ!
benandjerrys WarRavens Imperium Eden 1	Posted - 2015.12.22 02:46:00 - [13] - Quote 1 hell yea I was here for Mordus private trials.... And I'd do it again all the wiser. Free isk! (comment with in game name) #portdust514
Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3	Posted - 2015.12.22 02:49:00 - [14] - Quote Depends, as this is kinda vague from my perspective. Do you mean a complete wipe, as in no compensation (ex. instead of just a SP wipe and no dice, a wipe and you get a "extended" booster to get your SP back)? If so, I'd geninuly be pissed off at CCP, and would want a refund. If there was compensation, I would be a bit sad that I would have to work again, but I wouldn't mind. ISk and other regular assets (ex. LP and LP items, DK, etc) I don't care if it's wiped. Those are burned and earned on a regular basis, and can be earned just as quickly. In fact, burning that stuff off, and allowing for an actual manufacturing system to come online might be beneficial in the long run. Rare consumable items I'm not sure about. Those items are collected often times, and are things to be stared at, and only rarely used, mostly during events. I would hate to see those go, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. Bought items and BPO's needs to stay. They can be converted into other things, or refunded, whatever, but people can't just have their investments that thy were told would have a long term impact just burned and expect people to not be completely livid. I do support converting of items, especially for BPO's (manufacturing purposes of course). And that package wouldn't be worth it until most vets quit 10 years down the road. Also, avatars? I'd rather have actual character creation, but that's another topic for another day :P This is something weaksauce, something I wouldn't support at the worst case, so 5. EDIT: welp, I failed to read Top lel
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Corrosive Synergy RUST415 622	Posted - 2015.12.22 02:57:00 - [15] - Quote I've already been through the grind three times now. A fourth time wouldn't bother me any. Although I would be mildly upset at having lost all the real life money I put into this game. But, then again, my old main has literally over a dozen boosters to its name, seven or eight of which are omega boosters I never got around to using, so I guess it's at least cool I'd have a decent head start. How would I rate some sort of cosmetic package for being a veteran? Assuming the same rating scale as your other thing, 1. It's just cosmetic, and it shows I've played through and supported the game. Not like it's hurting anything. Although hopefully there's either more than just a medium assault skin or the skin finally fits over all suits. As for actually losing all my ISK, assets, BPOs, etc... It'd suck. If I could keep my BPOs I wouldn't care one bit. ISK? Easy to get back, or at the very least if on the new console it's harder to obtain we'd all start on even ground so it won't matter. Assets? I only buy what I use, anyway. I sell everything else. SP? Again, everyone is starting on even ground, minus those who had boosters to pass over, but you still have to play the game to make use of active, and passive accrual is very slow. The BPOs, though? I got them through real life money, so obviously having them just snatched away with no compensation will be quite a kick to, well, everywhere. It would feel like I'm actually being stolen from. I love this game, but I would not have paid $200+ for it, and, since I literally just got a call back from a much higher paying job just a few hours ago, I intend to put more moolah into this place. Having it all whisked away with nothing more than 'so long, and thanks for all the fish' would really hurt, and I don't mean to my wallet, even if there were a greatly improved Dust 514 just around the corner. Sure I have the satisfaction of 'I contributed to this', but I wasn't putting in donations. There wasn't a Kickstarter or IdieGoGo or whatever. I was putting money into this game specifically to get in-game assets, and while I completely understand the game will one day die and I'll lose it all anyway, having a direct spawn of this game, specifically this game but better and on a new console, that isn't going to let me keep the things I spent actual, hard earned money for? The thought bothers me. It's like completely paying for a car and then having someone come by to recall it because of massive safety issues, but when they release a new, better one you have to pay full price for the new car, even though your old one was taken away for safety reasons without compensation. As much as that old car needed to be fixed up, as great as that new car will be, you still got jipped. The thought that Dust 514 may one day be the game we dreamed it to be. It fills you with Determination!
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.12.22 03:26:00 - [16] - Quote 3. I would be somewhat upset at a complete wipe. I can understand if they want to scale down an SP transfer (100k for every 10 Mil SP over starting SP), as some people have some ridiculous SP, and the new system might be very different, but I would like to see at least some SP advantage, in addition to some unique items. Characters made in Mordu's Trials (wasn't here for closed beta, hope that is correct) should get something unique, Open Beta, players etc. Obviously you could go overboard with it, so I don't want to get carried away, but the more things they can do, even if it is little, will help mend some fences. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 7	Posted - 2015.12.22 03:35:00 - [17] - Quote 4, I don't have time for that crap again. Plus they wouldn't reset EVE for every new kid on the block just because the meta was already set in. They'd instead tell him to join a corp and learn the ropes of something you like doing. I only deal in absolutes
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 711	Posted - 2015.12.22 03:36:00 - [18] - Quote 1, really. Let's start fresh and make something better out of this. PS3 is over, let it go, let it go Story of your life
DJINN Heartreaper Negative-Feedback. 41	Posted - 2015.12.22 03:40:00 - [19] - Quote well I'd hang with some friends once in awhile but this game I would not touch again with all the current flaws
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 900	Posted - 2015.12.22 03:41:00 - [20] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: This also goes with the following threads: Lessons from Fanfest 2014 What Would You Expect to Transfer if a Port Happens? Going on the same assumption that Dust is remade for a next gen system, assuming that it ends up on a platform that you're capable of playing it on. How would you feel if all of your Assets, ISK, LP, and SP was wiped when you transfered your character to the new game? For the sake of argument, assume that you would retain all unspent AUR and boosters, but would not receive a refund for AUR spent on BPOs, Boosters, ect. How would you rate it if you received some sort of Veteran Package that includes some unique SKINs, avatar, ect. that is only possible to get if you are DUST veteran, but still lost all of your SP, ISK, ect. Rate it on a scale of 1 to 5 with 1 being "I would not mind this at all and would play the new game happily" and 5 being "I would hate this and refuse to play the new game". Again just kind of curious what people think since the feedback in the other thread was pretty widely spread, and Im curious on how people would react a theoretical worst case scenario. meh Just a Caldari living the clean life. ( -í° -£-û -í°) No.

KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.12.22 03:43:00 - [21] - Quote Simple. Rage for a sunblinding amount. Not give any money for the ported version. KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading. Search "KEROSKIN" for list of skins for sale!
five times Liverpool F.C. 258	Posted - 2015.12.22 04:05:00 - [22] - Quote Easiest way would be to have an 12 to 18 month delay on characred transfers Then you will have all the PS4 newborns on a closer SP pool. So the PS3 dusters can continue on ps3 for the 18 months and or make a new character on PS4 while they wait And have seperate matchmaker for transferred characters for 6 to 12 months
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 7	Posted - 2015.12.22 04:14:00 - [23] - Quote five times wrote: Easiest way would be to have an 12 to 18 month delay on characred transfers Then you will have all the PS4 newborns on a closer SP pool. So the PS3 dusters can continue on ps3 for the 18 months and or make a new character on PS4 while they wait And have seperate matchmaker for transferred characters for 6 to 12 months I'd rather it be a delay on our access to our sp pool than for that to happen. Plus the complexity of your idea is just outright pointless when most of us would just switch to our main character once the wait period was over I only deal in absolutes
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.12.22 04:57:00 - [24] - Quote I would say... 1. I was originally about to say 5 but a certain truth dawned on me. The truth is that the skill points we have now are only relevant to Dust 514 on the PS3. It would not be relevant when the game gets ported over to a new platform such as the PS4, PC, or both because then a port alone will mean that the progression system we have now on the PS3 will very likely be changed drastically. Don't forget that we have pointless skill books like the ones for frame suits that don't have any bonuses to them or useless skill levels of certain skill books such as levels 2 and 4 of say Uplinks, Active Scanners, etc. Porting the game will give CCP the perfect opportunity to clean up the skill tree which is currently a bit of a mess I would say. With that said, I would expect we will likely lose at least some (if not all) SP in the process during the port. I will never use the flawed argument of "it will help minimize the skill gap between newbies and vets" because such an argument only implies a temporary solution to a permanent reality. The reality being that there will always be large skill gaps between newbies and vets in any game even if the game's skill progression were to somehow be perfected. As for AUR spent, I see no point in even expecting a refund on spent AUR. Maybe I can expect keeping any AUR I still haven't spent yet but I will never expect any refund for AUR spent. For assets, even if I somehow kept all of my BPOs, I would be very surprised if no changes were made to them to accommodate for any changes to the skill/suit progression system that might come with a port. The BPOs we have now are designed for Dust 514 as it is now on the PS3. They might not work well if they are port "as is" to the next platform. And don't expect any AUR refunds on the MILITIA BPOs because I can tell you with certainty that won't happen. It won't happen because of a little-known fact about the MLT BPOs and how they use to cost 100 AUR each back in the closed-beta days. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Vicious Minotaur 3	Posted - 2015.12.22 05:04:00 - [25] - Quote I hope that assets, ISK, SP and LP as we now know it will not be relevant in the "new" DUST. And I REALLY hope the "new" DUST is treated like an entirely new game. If ISK, SP, et al. transfer easily to the new game, then I'd say that new game is as poorly developed and thought out as this one, and as such is not even worth my time. Minotaur Master Race Violently penetrating you since ca 84 BCE. ( -í° -£-û -í°)
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.12.22 05:08:00 - [26] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: 4. I'd be mad cuz time and money was spent to reach SP level but i would still play. I spent hundreds of dollars on Dust too, but I'm not going to be mad about it. Some say I should be mad, but they have no say on what I say. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
jane stalin free dropships for newbs 531	Posted - 2015.12.22 05:15:00 - [27] - Quote I love my SP because it lets me have a chance against other players with high SP, If EVERYONE lost SP it would not be so bad, and if that is what it takes to move to a new console and get new players so be it, If I was CCP I would port to other consoles and I would reset everyones SP because the new players in the new market would be frustrated by being murdered by high SP players however if an old player grinded to 50million SP they would get access to old characters and have 50 million SP to spend. ...............................boyko...............................
DozersMouse XIII Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 1	Posted - 2015.12.22 05:46:00 - [28] - Quote Wouldn't mind losing my 165 mill SP for a port addicted to the Kubo's GMK-16 banana cannon
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 1	Posted - 2015.12.22 06:18:00 - [29] - Quote I just want my name and CEO of Opus Arcana. Tyrant King, Opus Arcana
zDemoncake Horizons' Edge 1	Posted - 2015.12.22 06:30:00 - [30] - Quote 5 CEO of Horizons' Edge's mercenary division *My soul, your beats!* Enemy to many; equal to none.

VAHZZ Community Cream Pie 10	Posted - 2015.12.22 06:34:00 - [31] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: I just want my name and CEO of Opus Arcana. And I want my name and your role as CEO of Opus Arcana *Long Live The King* @Aldturtl
Dead Cavino Lunatic.High 164	Posted - 2015.12.22 06:34:00 - [32] - Quote 1 If i'm capable, I will play "new DUST" regardless of what happens. I don't like two-legged things.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2	Posted - 2015.12.22 06:49:00 - [33] - Quote I I never had any issues with my SP resetting in beta so I wouldn't have any issues with it happening in a port. As long as I were compensated in some meaningful way for the money I've spent on the game (other than SP) I would say 1-2, if not then 3-4 añ¼añ+añ¦-añ¬añ+añƒañ¦-añÿañ¿añ+añ+añ¦-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ *"Baal comes...and destruction follows him like a storm."* añ¿añ+añ¦añ¿aÑìaññañ¦añ+añ¿aÑìañºañòañ+añ¦añ+aññ-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ-añ¦añ¦añÖaÑìañù
Nothing Certain Pervy Sages 1	Posted - 2015.12.22 06:49:00 - [34] - Quote I want that to happen. Let us at least start on a level playing field. Because, that's why.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 5	Posted - 2015.12.22 08:42:00 - [35] - Quote 3 Must be something more than a skin. But if possible I would play anyway, everybody new, no one new. Camouflage master =ƒÄà
sir RAVEN WING RabbitGang 5	Posted - 2015.12.22 09:12:00 - [36] - Quote benandjerrys wrote: 1 hell yea I was here for Mordus private trials.... And I'd do it again all the wiser. I agree. From Mordu's I would do 1 I'd likely be so ecstatic that I would be out helping old ladies cross the r... path of dirt with bloody fools driving down it while my game does what it must. If I had good sums of cash burning holes in my pockets then there would be a good chance CCP gets a few holes in their pockets instead of me. =ƒç+=ƒç¬ Retired Merc... for now. "it's just buried by 3 pages." - Cat Merc
Git Gud Bruh Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 48	Posted - 2015.12.22 09:27:00 - [37] - Quote Too much aurrum, too much isk grinded, too many worst of times, too many best of times. We all worked hard to get where we are. We stepped into this game when we did and had to play catch-up just like everyone else. Why completely wipe everything everyone's worked for up to this point. We were all starter fit scrubs once and climbed our way to the top. Honestly if dust was ported and everything I had achieved so far was wiped, I wouldnt play the port. So long as dust was still up and running I'd still be herp derping in the warbarge. I understand that a port would draw in plenty of new players and they need a chance to survive on the battlefield but dammit we were all new players once and had no chance to survive on the battlefield. We all came straight out of academy into the hell that is Public Contracts and I honestly think that's they way it should be. Im not supporting all the old players getting to run full proto 24/7 in a port...I'm supporting the struggle. My favorite weapon is a basic ARR, I dont care about having to grind out proto gear again, I care about what dust really is, it's a random pile of good and bad players in varying degrees of gear, some opponents are complete scrubs in officer, others are legends in militia and that's the way I like it. Every opponent is different and everyones gear every single time is different and I honestly wouldnt have it any other way. If everyone gets reset I couldnt abide, I enjoy fighting gods in all officer gear. Arirana can 1v1 me any day of the week, I gladly accept and challenge and wont dare think of running and that's what I think the real struggle in dust is, there's always someone better than you with more sp and a better fit, and thats the way it should be.... I know the new scrubs need a fighting chance but none of us received that chance. **** those scrubs, I had to earn my place and so should they. Give all of the newbies a 6 month omega booster and we'll call it even. "Militia Internet, Proto Lag" -Zandor Suzuki "To be fair"- viper xsniper "Americ*nt"- TheD1CK
Git Gud Bruh Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 48	Posted - 2015.12.22 09:36:00 - [38] - Quote jane stalin wrote: I love my SP because it lets me have a chance against other players with high SP, If EVERYONE lost SP it would not be so bad, and if that is what it takes to move to a new console and get new players so be it, If I was CCP I would port to other consoles and I would reset everyones SP because the new players in the new market would be frustrated by being murdered by high SP players however if an old player grinded to 50million SP they would get access to old characters and have 50 million SP to spend. We all started at some point and there was always someone better than us. Why should these new ps4 scrubs get any more of a fair chance than we did? I came in and got my ** kicked in just like every single one of us did and I think part of the real dust experience is GETTING YOUR KICKED IN by someone you're probably never gonna kill more than once, because at one point in time....that dude you cant kill got his ** kicked in by someone he probably never killed more than once, because.....so on and so forth. "Militia Internet, Proto Lag" -Zandor Suzuki "To be fair"- viper xsniper "Americ*nt"- TheD1CK
sir RAVEN WING RabbitGang 5	Posted - 2015.12.22 09:40:00 - [39] - Quote Git Gud Bruh wrote: We all came straight out of academy You forget some of us came before Academy. I was dropped right into the game and shot blues thinking I was red for some reason. Then got gunned down by the red I just attempted to protect. I miss those days but not the bugs =ƒç+=ƒç¬ Retired Merc... for now. "it's just buried by 3 pages." - Cat Merc
Alena Ventrallis Commando Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.12.22 09:41:00 - [40] - Quote 4. I didn't whine when I started playing Eve in 2009 with players that had 100m+ SP. I expect all the money spent on Dust (SP, BPOs, etc.) to transfer over. A port is not a new game, it is simply moving an existing game to a new platform. If I worked for a company for several years and got multiple pay increases, should I expect to have my salary reset to starting because we moved into a shiny new office? Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.

Reign Omega L0RDS 0F LEGI0N Damage LLC 2	Posted - 2015.12.22 10:04:00 - [41] - Quote It should be, it's impossible to draw or keep a playerbase if a large chunk has a significant leg up in a game where time played adds any sort of competitive advantage. Hell naw...to the naw naw naw...hell to the naw.
CaP XZ 102	Posted - 2015.12.22 10:34:00 - [42] - Quote I wouldn't feel hurt at all. Our progress from call of duty; 1 to call of duty; 2 isn't transferred, why should dust: 214 (numbers based on port to ps4 date) have dust:514's save progress? alt of xavier zor the real xor
castba 998	Posted - 2015.12.22 10:45:00 - [43] - Quote 1, because it really doesn't (and shouldn't) matter. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.12.22 11:06:00 - [44] - Quote 5. I want a port to continue my dust experience(10 year project!), and the time, real money and effort put in to it. meta lock new players from the old ones. which is was players have been saying since 2013. open more star systems to grow conflict out side of the same routine PC players. rebuilding a new system from scratch is a waste of time and dev effort.Upgrade the engine,meta lock, open up space, make a deal with Sony for thePS4, job done. A port only works if you retain a player base to build on. Dust has such a ****** reputation that it needs word of mouth to spread. A whole bunch of players screwed out of SP are going to badmouth any port and drag down dust even further. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Imperium Eden 4	Posted - 2015.12.22 11:16:00 - [45] - Quote Damn it Pokey. I am not going to get sleep today am I? Will edit this when I am on something other than an iPad. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC 520	Posted - 2015.12.22 11:24:00 - [46] - Quote Gimme my FW Rank and my Loyalty Rank, cause grinds, give me my assests or a refund and im in. You can have all that SP. Im against slavery says the liberal, as he picks up his Iphone 5, made in China.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC 520	Posted - 2015.12.22 11:29:00 - [47] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: 5. I want a port to continue my dust experience(10 year project!), and the time, real money and effort put in to it. meta lock new players from the old ones. which is was players have been saying since 2013. open more star systems to grow conflict out side of the same routine PC players. rebuilding a new system from scratch is a waste of time and dev effort.Upgrade the engine,meta lock, open up space, make a deal with Sony for thePS4, job done. A port only works if you retain a player base to build on. Dust has such a **** reputation that it needs word of mouth to spread. A whole bunch of players screwed out of SP are going to badmouth any port and drag down dust even further. I brought 4 new players to DUST from DESTINY in the past month. They stayed because they had HELP figuring out this ***** game. Jesus CCP two 5 minute tutorial videos that say dont spend your SP and join a good corp could be brilliant ? Im against slavery says the liberal, as he picks up his Iphone 5, made in China.
CaP XZ 102	Posted - 2015.12.22 11:32:00 - [48] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Gimme my FW Rank and my Loyalty Rank, cause grinds, give me my assests or a refund and im in. You can have all that SP. Who needs SP when you have gun-game LISTEN CCP alt of xavier zor the real xor
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3	Posted - 2015.12.22 11:55:00 - [49] - Quote I'd say 1. take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM]
jpmannu 126	Posted - 2015.12.22 12:27:00 - [50] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: This also goes with the following threads: Lessons from Fanfest 2014 What Would You Expect to Transfer if a Port Happens? Going on the same assumption that Dust is remade for a next gen system, assuming that it ends up on a platform that you're capable of playing it on. How would you feel if all of your Assets, ISK, LP, and SP was wiped when you transfered your character to the new game? For the sake of argument, assume that you would retain all unspent AUR and boosters, but would not receive a refund for AUR spent on BPOs, Boosters, ect. How would you rate it if you received some sort of Veteran Package that includes some unique SKINs, avatar, ect. that is only possible to get if you are DUST veteran, but still lost all of your SP, ISK, ect. Rate it on a scale of 1 to 5 with 1 being "I would not mind this at all and would play the new game happily" and 5 being "I would hate this and refuse to play the new game". Again just kind of curious what people think since the feedback in the other thread was pretty widely spread, and Im curious on how people would react a theoretical worst case scenario. NONSENSE

jpmannu 126	Posted - 2015.12.22 12:29:00 - [51] - Quote WHY YOU MAKE THESE STUPID THREADS
Viktor Hadah Jr 0uter.Heaven 9	Posted - 2015.12.22 12:31:00 - [52] - Quote 1 or 2. When people say port I think of fix a butch of sh*t and improve the game in major ways not a 1:1 port. But like dust to concept legion type of port. If it's a 1:1 port might as well not even bother. So I don't really expect all the things from the broken game to be transferred to the fixed game. If nothing is fixed then there is no reason to wipe sp isk or anything. For sp I'd be Slightly surprised but no more than slightly. Fully expect isk to be wiped those. I'm kind of a big deal. All PEX User Buying dead and inactive corporations
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 1	Posted - 2015.12.22 13:52:00 - [53] - Quote Keep my name on a gun, and port the *****.. reset the game to chromosome while you're at it. You know sniping is bad when even I refuse to do it.
LOL KILLZ LulKlz 557	Posted - 2015.12.22 13:56:00 - [54] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: http://m.imgur.com/gallery/kS8iGlb I'd like to keep my SP, Aurum, Skins, and BPOs. The isk can go to the wind for all I care. The other stuff I put time and money into. ^^^^^^* HMG is my first love SR my Sancha
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 7	Posted - 2015.12.22 14:27:00 - [55] - Quote jpmannu wrote: WHY YOU MAKE THESE STUPID THREADS Because like I talk about in my article, players were caught completely off guard by the news of Legion and it added to the subsequent fallout because of it. I'm simply raising a topic, that in my mind, is certainly a distinct possibility in the case of a port. I think that If people can talk about it and be actively thinking about it, then if it ever does happen, they'll be far more mentally prepared. Now obviously any number of things may (or may not) happen, this is just one that I personally think is important. In the end my goal is simply to minimize the fallout from a port announcement by making sure people are more mentally prepped for drastic changes than they were back in 2014. "That little sh*t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 677	Posted - 2015.12.22 15:46:00 - [56] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: http://m.imgur.com/gallery/kS8iGlb I'd like to keep my SP, Aurum, Skins, and BPOs. The isk can go to the wind for all I care. The other stuff I put time and money into. 5 I just couldn't start from scratch again. I'd like to clarify that my number standing given isn't based on anything negative about this game. I play this game for different reasons than say Final Fantasy X or Metal Gear. I play those games for the story, music, game play, experience of what the characters go through. I play Dust 514 for the comradory with friends I've made, the flexibility in play style so that I can choose what is fun for me, finally defeating the grind-achieving the optimization of a skill tree so I can play how I wish, knowing my SP allocation and items such as skins and BPOs are what make my profile unique. This game shows that a game doesn't need graphix to look like "The Order" to be good. Heck people don't play Mario to marvel how realistic Luigi and Peach appear. The reason I couldn't find myself to start from scratch is the same when a friend asked me to get Diablo 3 for PlayStation when my account is on PC. With all the time I've put into getting to where I am, I'm just not able to start over.
Moochie Cricket Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 1	Posted - 2015.12.22 16:22:00 - [57] - Quote 4 Caldari REALLY 514
byte modal 349	Posted - 2015.12.22 17:13:00 - [58] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: http://m.imgur.com/gallery/kS8iGlb I'd like to keep my SP, Aurum, Skins, and BPOs. The isk can go to the wind for all I care. The other stuff I put time and money into. 5 I just couldn't start from scratch again. I'd like to clarify that my number standing given isn't based on anything negative about this game. I play this game for different reasons than say Final Fantasy X or Metal Gear. I play those games for the story, music, game play, experience of what the characters go through. I play Dust 514 for the comradory with friends I've made, the flexibility in play style so that I can choose what is fun for me, finally defeating the grind-achieving the optimization of a skill tree so I can play how I wish, knowing my SP allocation and items such as skins and BPOs are what make my profile unique. This game shows that a game doesn't need graphix to look like "The Order" to be good. Heck people don't play Mario to marvel how realistic Luigi and Peach appear. The reason I couldn't find myself to start from scratch is the same when a friend asked me to get Diablo 3 for PlayStation when my account is on PC. With all the time I've put into getting to where I am, I'm just not able to start over. Personally, I am against most transfers without certain conditions being met. I won't bog this reply down with all that when it's already been posted in the other thread. I just wanted to take a moment to note that your argument is maybe the most logical I've read so far in a flood of "I paid for it and because TANK! **** YOU!!1!" I wonder if people are assuming a 1-to-1 replication, just with shinier things? What if the hypothetical release is less of an upgrade and more a new title, just with the flavor that is DUST? LEGION was a unique development apart from DUST. Sure, it was clearly influenced, and I guess we could argue those finer points of separation all day, but it was a different game. Using your D3 for example, would you expect your grind to carry over from D2? It's clearly the same franchise and more or less built on the flavor of Diablo 2, as well as Diablo. Where is that line then for whatever, if anything, comes from CCP? I mean specifically for you. Where was the line in leaving D2 to start a relatively similar grind in D3? D3 from PC to PS4 would be a tough pill to swallow, I agree. But that is the same game. Would you start over on PS4 with your friends if they released D4? Honest questions. I swear I'm not trying to stir the pot Thanks... kitten bacon taco (nom)
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.12.22 18:47:00 - [59] - Quote I would take a deep breath. Calmly light a cig. Pour myself a drink. And press square... Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Yoda Boss Dem Durrty Boyz 488	Posted - 2015.12.22 18:52:00 - [60] - Quote One of Two things can happen. 1 everything wiped. Start new. 2. At the most we might get a little symbol next to your name if this ps4 stuff ever happens (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒGû¬.°n+í¤GÿåGùÅ.° GÖñGÖíTrade/saleGÖºGÖñ

Bradric Banewolf Eternal Beings 1	Posted - 2015.12.22 19:23:00 - [61] - Quote If it means no lag, no mods, and just raw skill and teamwork, i'm game! "Anybody order chaos?"
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1	Posted - 2015.12.22 19:27:00 - [62] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: This also goes with the following threads: Lessons from Fanfest 2014 What Would You Expect to Transfer if a Port Happens? Going on the same assumption that Dust is remade for a next gen system, assuming that it ends up on a platform that you're capable of playing it on. How would you feel if all of your Assets, ISK, LP, and SP was wiped when you transfered your character to the new game? For the sake of argument, assume that you would retain all unspent AUR and boosters, but would not receive a refund for AUR spent on BPOs, Boosters, ect. How would you rate it if you received some sort of Veteran Package that includes some unique SKINs, avatar, ect. that is only possible to get if you are DUST veteran, but still lost all of your SP, ISK, ect. Rate it on a scale of 1 to 5 with 1 being "I would not mind this at all and would play the new game happily" and 5 being "I would hate this and refuse to play the new game". Again just kind of curious what people think since the feedback in the other thread was pretty widely spread, and Im curious on how people would react a theoretical worst case scenario. For a caldari,that question sounds uncapitalistic of you. Let me rephrase your question. Would you as a senior citizen give up your house because a new generation of babies is born? The answer is no,no i wouldn't. I've earned my house,put them in a place they can earn theirs. Possibly on PVE drive... You know,the one located in high-sec town. But leave our PVE here in low-secville for us geezers. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 7	Posted - 2015.12.22 19:34:00 - [63] - Quote I'm not taking a particular position, just asking peoples opinions on a theoretical scenario. "That little sh*t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati
DAAAA BEAST Corrosive Synergy 3	Posted - 2015.12.22 19:34:00 - [64] - Quote 1. Wouldn't mind restarting from scratch with everyone, as long as the game is fun and has no bugs. Notorious DUST 514 Comedian.
Kierkegaard Soren Eridani Light Horse Battalion 1	Posted - 2015.12.22 19:41:00 - [65] - Quote 1. As many of the Elites like to point out here on these forums, SP is no substitute for skill, or in my case, game knowledge. Assuming that the core concepts of Dust are retained; suit fitting, damage profiles, perishable assets etc, then I would happy to lose everything save for my name and my history, safe in the knowledge that I know this new game like it were an old game, which to me is an edge but not an advantage over the newbros, and that feels like a fair compromise between us Vets and the time we have spent here and the NPE for Dust v2.0 still being a viable experience. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
Nam Daas Rejneesh Woodgrain Atari 0	Posted - 2015.12.24 10:06:00 - [66] - Quote I'd freak
I-Shayz-I I----------I 6	Posted - 2015.12.24 10:24:00 - [67] - Quote There should be some kind of booster that correlates to the amount of sp you have at the time of the transfer. Someone with 100 million sp would be able to earn back that amount with these passive boosters in 6 months to a year That way the playerbase grows at an even rate, but those who have dedicated years to the game already can still feel a sense of additional progression. Ultimately it would be extremely boring if you could skill into everything day 1 of the new game. The influx of new players would leave immediately if they were constantly being protostomped. We really don't need a repeat of what happened to Dust 514 originally. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Celus Ivara DUST University Ivy League 435	Posted - 2016.01.10 14:28:00 - [68] - Quote The Worst Case Scenario is such a breach of operating-in-mutual-good-faith that it's be a 5 for me. That said, I tend to doubt the worst case scenario will happen; and there's so many different ways player migration can go it's hard to discuss at this point. Like for example, I'd be 100% fine with kind-for-kind exchanges of old SP for whatever progression looks like in Dust 2.0 . #PortDust514
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2016.01.10 14:31:00 - [69] - Quote I don't believe a port will ever happen but I'm at the point where I think all SP and assets should be wiped, with AUR being refunded back to the player. Everyone should start off with a clean slate, minus the cash they've already put in. If any of my posts seem severely negative, it's probably because they are.
Nirwanda Vaughns 1	Posted - 2016.01.10 14:37:00 - [70] - Quote If i could keep my assets/BPOs i wouldn't be too annoyed, although i think CCP should try keep players assets and stats if they move to PC. all the details are stored on the TQ server so there shouldn't be any reason to wipe them as long as we register with same email as our PSN. For new players to 'keep up' i suggested that if it went to PC then EVE palyers with a sub got increased passive SP boost as well as some new items and i think new pllayers in general should get 2x active and passive SP gain for the first 60days gametime. they do something similar in EVE also with a free attributes remap Please fix my C-II hitpoints!! Jesus and I love you :)

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2016.01.10 14:47:00 - [71] - Quote Swear I've already answered this one but... I wouldn't mind to be quite honest. I have to start on equal footing with any new players that I don't risk alienating them through sheer SP supremacy. I already have mechanics knowledge and experience from this massive beta. That's got to be enough of an edge already. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2016.01.10 15:06:00 - [72] - Quote 4 I would be ungodly ******* pissed at having to grind AGAIN to spec into the playstyle I want (hopefully Fighters), and then I would go back to grinding while occasionally grumbling about it. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Banjo Robertson Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 769	Posted - 2016.01.10 16:54:00 - [73] - Quote to me, it would be irrelivant if they transfered anything from old characters to new characters if the game was bad. I would play a brand new 'dust' if the game was fun, whether or not i keep anything. on the subject of transfering unspent aurum vs spent aurum, I would say either transfer and refund all aurum, or transfer no aurum, no halfway, aurum prices and items might be completely different from original dust to whatever incarnation it takes next. In game benfit and fasion and whatnot could be completely different. CCP already has the money from the aurum whether you spend it or not.
Kail Mako Capital Acquisitions LLC 360	Posted - 2016.01.10 16:59:00 - [74] - Quote 1. I have no problem with starting from the bottom again. Officially recognized for advancing the science of getting bent.
ReGnYuM Second-Nature 3	Posted - 2016.01.10 17:21:00 - [75] - Quote I would not have a problem. I think it would be only fair to the new players etc. However, I wouldn't mind a little to salute to our past, something lore related, maybe a skin, or some banner. Furthermore, maybe some percentage of the arum spent converted into booster would be a nice gesture of good will.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2016.01.10 17:25:00 - [76] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: 4 I would be ungodly ******* pissed at having to grind AGAIN to spec into the playstyle I want (hopefully Fighters), and then I would go back to grinding while occasionally grumbling about it. You'd have to grind to spec into fighters anyway.... a few boosted SP weeks early on and maybe a booster for a little bit and boom. You are set to fly your fighters forevermore. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Medical Crash Systematic Engineers Unlimited 419	Posted - 2016.01.10 17:25:00 - [77] - Quote I'd kick a hole in a wall. I'm not grinding SP again like an Minmatar slave. I do however support the wiping of all ISK. May the farmers crops burn with a passion. My YouTube Channel
7th Son 7 Hakuna Matatah Inc 1	Posted - 2016.01.10 17:38:00 - [78] - Quote I would let CCP wipe my a$$ if it means we get a port, money and time come and go, but this game won't. 2 Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ----- OSHO
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2016.01.10 17:44:00 - [79] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: 4 I would be ungodly ******* pissed at having to grind AGAIN to spec into the playstyle I want (hopefully Fighters), and then I would go back to grinding while occasionally grumbling about it. You'd have to grind to spec into fighters anyway.... a few boosted SP weeks early on and maybe a booster for a little bit and boom. You are set to fly your fighters forevermore. Not if I respecced all of my current SP. I'd have more than enough to max out pretty much any skill necessary. I would gladly render myself incapable of infantry combat because I would be in the sky all the time anyway. Just Pilot suits and Fighters for me. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Y0UR NAME HERE Nyain San 701	Posted - 2016.01.10 17:46:00 - [80] - Quote It'd be cool but idk..what incentive will there be? Fixed bugs all vehicles and weapons? Fix to PC and give incentive to win in pubs? The way I see it is all it will be is a port..same bugs same issues just having to grind all over again Though if we got the avg players up to 10k throught the day then I'd go for that

Unholy HateGore highland marines 133	Posted - 2016.01.10 18:32:00 - [81] - Quote As long as we could get fresh players in and everything worked as it was supposed to and CCP wouldn't listen to all the whiners about nerf this buff that, it would be great. I would gladly start over. I would like something for being in as long as I was and for what Aurum I spent.
DDx777 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2016.01.10 18:43:00 - [82] - Quote [/quote] Let me rephrase your question. Would you as a senior citizen give up your house because a new generation of babies is born? The answer is no,no i wouldn't. I've earned my house,put them in a place they can earn theirs. Possibly on PVE drive... You know,the one located in high-sec town. But leave our PVE here in low-secville for us geezers. [/quote] There still should be some limitations but if they were to port and make a new game with this type of depth then this would work I think I favor a complete reset of skills etc. because of this games current failings. New player retention is critical and pushing them away because the game asks them to get constantly stomped before seeing real progress is not going to work
Thumb Green Elephant Riders 2	Posted - 2016.01.10 19:09:00 - [83] - Quote I'd be pissed but f things end up improving I'll be happy and if they don't I'll be ill as a hornet because my SP would have been wiped for nothing. It's a risk I'm willing to take so that the player base can grow. I'm more in favor of splitting the players up but everybody keeps saying the player base is too small (for 3 years now and it's only gotten smaller since people started saying that) to do that and CCP is too chicken sh!t to bite the bullet and do it; so resetting SP is the only other option. It's not going to be nearly as effective as splitting the players cause you know there's going to be plenty of people that'll drop a bunch of money to be running full proto within the first month. Then the broke no-lifers will have it the next month so it's obvious resetting SP would only be a bandage on a wound that needs stitching. Most of what I see around here is just a bag of dicks in need of some kicks. Dust really needs its high sec.
Crimson ShieId Horizons' Edge 2	Posted - 2016.01.10 19:40:00 - [84] - Quote Assuming the game had hope of progression and those who had played Dust for more than five minutes got some cool skins to show their dedication to the game... and also assuming the port actually freakin' worked and didn't lag every game... Eh, I'd still be slightly frustrated... but... oh, yeah. AND assuming we got to keep the skins and or BPO's we had, THEN and only then would I consider it worth bothering with. If all those conditions were met... I'd put the rating at a 1, maybe a 2. That's a lot of buts though, too many conditions to meet, and given CCP's track record with the game... I dunno if they'd be able to pull that off. The SP and the Isk is something I can always get again, but it takes a fun game to be worth it, and redoing something like that in the current state of Dust? Eh... I'd probably pass... What? Am I mad? Why do you ask?
Trooper X TROOPER Corp X 48	Posted - 2016.01.10 19:42:00 - [85] - Quote If we are talking about a new game completely, then a fresh start for all players, would be the fairest, most sensible decision... For returning Dust Vets who transfer their Clone to the new war zone (as it were), then a returning vets pack would be nice and very much appreciated... You'd hope, that the immersion of EVE's perpetual universe would also stretch to it's Dust Mercs too... - The worst possible thing they could do, would be to completely ignore and delete all progress of Dust Vets, only to find the exact same stuff in the new game!!! TROOPER Corp X - Solo Merc - Blueberry Corp
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 4	Posted - 2016.01.10 20:07:00 - [86] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: This also goes with the following threads: Lessons from Fanfest 2014 What Would You Expect to Transfer if a Port Happens? Going on the same assumption that Dust is remade for a next gen system, assuming that it ends up on a platform that you're capable of playing it on. How would you feel if all of your Assets, ISK, LP, and SP was wiped when you transfered your character to the new game? For the sake of argument, assume that you would retain all unspent AUR and boosters, but would not receive a refund for AUR spent on BPOs, Boosters, ect. How would you rate it if you received some sort of Veteran Package that includes some unique SKINs, avatar, ect. that is only possible to get if you are DUST veteran, but still lost all of your SP, ISK, ect. Rate it on a scale of 1 to 5 with 1 being "I would not mind this at all and would play the new game happily" and 5 being "I would hate this and refuse to play the new game". Again just kind of curious what people think since the feedback in the other thread was pretty widely spread, and Im curious on how people would react a theoretical worst case scenario. I would react with "Oh look another of the hundreds of games that I liked the trailer and never once played." No way in hell I put up with getting cash grabbed all through beta only to be asked to start over because they finally came to the realization that they can not make it work on the system they chose because they blundered it up so bad. I would say screw it and sell my Eve assets for cash just to cash out a small percent of what was spent. I would then celebrate my ban with that little bit of cash and some on top. o7 All #514InTheWind !@#$!#@!$$@@#$@$!$ Snap out of the Stockholm Syndrome guys.
Radiant Pancake3 Celestial Phoenixes 3	Posted - 2016.01.10 22:51:00 - [87] - Quote I would be okay with it... Since i'm a dedicated logibro i'll make SP the quickest... so I'll regain to my former glory in no time... then I would spec back into the Min scout and Min Assault and get rid of my negative KDR... #WOLO
SHADOWBlood ASSASSIN Eternal Beings I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 348	Posted - 2016.01.11 04:24:00 - [88] - Quote Sighs I have spent an unbelievable amount of time and money on this game. If I wasn't compensated and I didn't get my SP, I simply wouldn't play the port. No ******* thank you. "When my nine in d-ck goes from your jaw to the back of your throat, please, do not f-cking complain!" -Makaveli


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