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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.12.16 19:29:00 -
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But there's one thing we actually should praise CCP for.
They've done a very good in job in balancing a good product with a fair monetization policy.
I've been playing a lot of games on Steam lately, and the trend towards DLC and microtransactions, a long with higher base game prices is disturbing.
The big companies are quickly moving towards a 'minimum content - maximum cost' philosiphy.
I got excited when 'Total War: Warhammer' was announced. But then I learned that even though the base game is $80 (CAD), that they are working on Day-1 DLC RACE PACKS, 6 months before release! Not only that, splitting the game into three full priced titles, charging $5 dollars extra to see blood in the game (wish I was kidding) etc. etc. The overall game will cost $300-$400 if you want everything. Never buying anything from Creative Assembly again. Can't reward these practices.
I got excited when Battlefront was announced, but now I see the fraction of the contet BF 2 had, the Day 1 DLC, the fact that they are working on sequels before the first game is finished etc. Never buying from EA again either.
Screw all these big companies.
Yes Dust has it's share of problems, but at least they care about their product, interact with the community, and have a reasonable monetization policy. Credit where it's due!
Real CPM Platform
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
13
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Posted - 2015.12.16 19:31:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:They've done a very good in job in balancing a good product with a fair monetization policy. /me looks at $10 cosmetic items that work on ONE race's dropsuits of ONE specific size... /me looks back at post...
Trolling is against the rules, Talos. Quit ******* around.
Become the phoenix, rise again
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.12.16 19:37:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:They've done a very good in job in balancing a good product with a fair monetization policy. /me looks at $10 cosmetic items that work on ONE race's dropsuits of ONE specific size... /me looks back at post... Trolling is against the rules, Talos. Quit ******* around.
$10 cosmetic items are fine and dandy in a F2P game. You're not missing out by not having those things.
Micro-transactions are not OK when:
- They are essential to the overall game experience (specific guns, vehicles, maps) AND ESPECIALLY when you pay for the base game in the first place.
I hate DLC as much as anyone, believe me, but CCP are doing it responsibly.
Real CPM Platform
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Travis Stanush
TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS
592
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Posted - 2015.12.16 19:52:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:They've done a very good in job in balancing a good product with a fair monetization policy. /me looks at $10 cosmetic items that work on ONE race's dropsuits of ONE specific size... /me looks back at post... Trolling is against the rules, Talos. Quit ******* around. $10 cosmetic items are fine and dandy in a F2P game. You're not missing out by not having those things. Micro-transactions are not OK when: - They are essential to the overall game experience (specific guns, vehicles, maps) AND ESPECIALLY when you pay for the base game in the first place. I hate DLC as much as anyone, believe me, but CCP are doing it responsibly. Yup CA really screwed its TW fanbase ( not that I'll be playing Warhammer anyways..) I hated Rome II for that reason.
No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
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Shart Machine
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2015.12.16 20:04:00 -
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Ever wonder why F2P mobile games are geared toward either old folks or young kids? Microtransactions.
I'm all for praising CCP and the success they've had with Dust as a balanced free game that generates profit. Pay to accelerate exists (sp boosters), but there is no hard evidence of pay to win, and that's impressive considering the potential profit of a p2w game.
[#makeDustwheelchairaccessible]
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VAHZZ
Community Cream Pie
10
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Posted - 2015.12.16 20:10:00 -
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So, you are saying weed should be legalized?
Long live the king
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
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Posted - 2015.12.16 20:27:00 -
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Dust was always a good game compared to the other games on the market, quite honestly other FPS games out their are terrible, so dust wins largely by default but there is still a lot to be said for what they have accomplished on this obsolete system.
I hope one day they have the balls to try something interesting again, and no valkyrie really isn't going to be it.
it is so disappointing that CCP decided to put their weight behind such a gimmicky concept. |
Soto Gallente
BLUEBERRIES WITH AUTISM RUST415
55
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Posted - 2015.12.16 20:29:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Dust was always a good game compared to the other games on the market, quite honestly other FPS games out their are terrible, so dust wins largely by default but there is still a lot to be said for what they have accomplished on this obsolete system.
I hope one day they have the balls to try something interesting again, and no valkyrie really isn't going to be it.
it is so disappointing that CCP decided to put their weight behind such a gimmicky concept. I agree.
Ex-news reporter for The Scope
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens Imperium Eden
4
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Posted - 2015.12.16 20:33:00 -
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Shart Machine wrote:Ever wonder why F2P mobile games are geared toward either old folks or young kids? Microtransactions.
I'm all for praising CCP and the success they've had with Dust as a balanced free game that generates profit. Pay to accelerate exists (sp boosters), but there is no hard evidence of pay to win, and that's impressive considering the potential profit of a p2w game. "I do 8% more damage than you and will always do 8% more damage than you" is pretty damn close to paying to win in my opinion.
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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Soto Gallente
BLUEBERRIES WITH AUTISM RUST415
55
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Posted - 2015.12.16 20:34:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Shart Machine wrote:Ever wonder why F2P mobile games are geared toward either old folks or young kids? Microtransactions.
I'm all for praising CCP and the success they've had with Dust as a balanced free game that generates profit. Pay to accelerate exists (sp boosters), but there is no hard evidence of pay to win, and that's impressive considering the potential profit of a p2w game. "I do 8% more damage than you and will always do 8% more damage than you" is pretty damn close to paying to win in my opinion. Lol, I have my ammo facility to level 8 on my other character and haven't spent a dime.
Granted pretty much all my other subsystems are level 2 or 3.
Ex-news reporter for The Scope
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Soto Gallente
BLUEBERRIES WITH AUTISM RUST415
55
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Posted - 2015.12.16 20:37:00 -
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Also, even IF it was ptw, it is still a whole lot better than most other f2p games or even games that cost money to buy.
Ex-news reporter for The Scope
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
4
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Posted - 2015.12.16 20:37:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:But there's one thing we actually should praise CCP for.
They've done a very good in job in balancing a good product with a fair monetization policy.
I've been playing a lot of games on Steam lately, and the trend towards DLC and microtransactions, a long with higher base game prices is disturbing.
The big companies are quickly moving towards a 'minimum content - maximum cost' philosiphy.
I got excited when 'Total War: Warhammer' was announced. But then I learned that even though the base game is $80 (CAD), that they are working on Day-1 DLC RACE PACKS, 6 months before release! Not only that, splitting the game into three full priced titles, charging $5 dollars extra to see blood in the game (wish I was kidding) etc. etc. The overall game will cost $300-$400 if you want everything. Never buying anything from Creative Assembly again. Can't reward these practices.
I got excited when Battlefront was announced, but now I see the fraction of the contet BF 2 had, the Day 1 DLC, the fact that they are working on sequels before the first game is finished etc. Never buying from EA again either.
Screw all these big companies.
Yes Dust has it's share of problems, but at least they care about their product, interact with the community, and have a reasonable monetization policy. Credit where it's due!
Over $1000 for 1% more damage.
Asking for money for well over a year while adding no actual content added.
An essentially useless warbarge that can easily end up costing over $10,000.
Spamming players with mystery boxes and charging them to open them with a good chance the result will be totally useless.
Allowing players to outright steal items that cost pretty good amounts of real cash thanks to incomplete mechanics has no word for it.
I must VERY SERIOUSLY be missing something. Are you sure you were logged into Dust?
Show there is a future #CCPSpeakOn514
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Soto Gallente
BLUEBERRIES WITH AUTISM RUST415
56
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Posted - 2015.12.16 20:40:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:But there's one thing we actually should praise CCP for.
They've done a very good in job in balancing a good product with a fair monetization policy.
I've been playing a lot of games on Steam lately, and the trend towards DLC and microtransactions, a long with higher base game prices is disturbing.
The big companies are quickly moving towards a 'minimum content - maximum cost' philosiphy.
I got excited when 'Total War: Warhammer' was announced. But then I learned that even though the base game is $80 (CAD), that they are working on Day-1 DLC RACE PACKS, 6 months before release! Not only that, splitting the game into three full priced titles, charging $5 dollars extra to see blood in the game (wish I was kidding) etc. etc. The overall game will cost $300-$400 if you want everything. Never buying anything from Creative Assembly again. Can't reward these practices.
I got excited when Battlefront was announced, but now I see the fraction of the contet BF 2 had, the Day 1 DLC, the fact that they are working on sequels before the first game is finished etc. Never buying from EA again either.
Screw all these big companies.
Yes Dust has it's share of problems, but at least they care about their product, interact with the community, and have a reasonable monetization policy. Credit where it's due!
Over $1000 for 1% more damage. Asking for money for well over a year while adding no actual content added. An essentially useless warbarge that can easily end up costing over $10,000. Spamming players with mystery boxes and charging them to open them with a good chance the result will be totally useless. Allowing players to outright steal items that cost pretty good amounts of real cash thanks to incomplete mechanics has no word for it. I must VERY SERIOUSLY be missing something. Are you sure you were logged into Dust? It is not ptw because first of all, 1% more damage is miniscule and unimportant in almost all battle situations, and secondly CCP is actually discouraging you from buying it by making it expensive.
It is not P2p because no one except richy rich people are going to actually get that.
Ex-news reporter for The Scope
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
21
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Posted - 2015.12.16 20:47:00 -
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I feel the pain on that TW: Warhammer.... not a single Elf race is going to be present in the core game.... and ELVES ARE A CORE RACE OF THE UNIVERSE.
Or they were until the Chaos Gods destroyed it.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
4
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Posted - 2015.12.16 20:48:00 -
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Soto Gallente wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:But there's one thing we actually should praise CCP for.
They've done a very good in job in balancing a good product with a fair monetization policy.
I've been playing a lot of games on Steam lately, and the trend towards DLC and microtransactions, a long with higher base game prices is disturbing.
The big companies are quickly moving towards a 'minimum content - maximum cost' philosiphy.
I got excited when 'Total War: Warhammer' was announced. But then I learned that even though the base game is $80 (CAD), that they are working on Day-1 DLC RACE PACKS, 6 months before release! Not only that, splitting the game into three full priced titles, charging $5 dollars extra to see blood in the game (wish I was kidding) etc. etc. The overall game will cost $300-$400 if you want everything. Never buying anything from Creative Assembly again. Can't reward these practices.
I got excited when Battlefront was announced, but now I see the fraction of the contet BF 2 had, the Day 1 DLC, the fact that they are working on sequels before the first game is finished etc. Never buying from EA again either.
Screw all these big companies.
Yes Dust has it's share of problems, but at least they care about their product, interact with the community, and have a reasonable monetization policy. Credit where it's due!
Over $1000 for 1% more damage. Asking for money for well over a year while adding no actual content added. An essentially useless warbarge that can easily end up costing over $10,000. Spamming players with mystery boxes and charging them to open them with a good chance the result will be totally useless. Allowing players to outright steal items that cost pretty good amounts of real cash thanks to incomplete mechanics has no word for it. I must VERY SERIOUSLY be missing something. Are you sure you were logged into Dust? It is not ptw because first of all, 1% more damage is miniscule and unimportant in almost all battle situations, and secondly CCP is actually discouraging you from buying it by making it expensive. It is not P2p because no one except richy rich people are going to actually get that.
Not once did I say P2W or P2P.
My main point is that saying Dust is not min content / maximum cost is just plain ridiculous. Dust has the least content of any AAA title I have ever seen and is the only game that you can spend literally an unlimited amount of money and end up with nothing to show for it.
While there is a slight feel of P2W I would definitely agree that it is minimal if existent.
Overall the concepts they have implemented are good but have been overshadowed by the fact that the money seems to go nowhere because we really see no progress that is an indicator of it being reinvested. Lag seems to be an absolute permanent fixture in the game, changes are half way at best, "balancing" at this point seems to be nothing more than an endless circle so that they can claim they are working on the game, and any type of ACTUAL new content is up to this point not even on the table.
Show there is a future #CCPSpeakOn514
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maybe deadcatz
Serris Inc
1
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Posted - 2015.12.16 23:04:00 -
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This is why I love tf2, you can be f2p and not pay a dime,but you can join in on the fun by buying a hat or some cheap item from the store. Anything. The cheapest thing upgrades your account.
But do the hats make you better? Do they make you deadlier? No. Because every idiot that has a inventory full of mad milk can just trade that for some metal and trade the metal for a hat. Or trade the mad milk for a hat,yes you heard me,milk for a hat.
You can get the most out of sometimes just spending .49 cents.
Dust gives you all its content. You don't even have to pay a dime to trade unless your account is less than 6 months old and doesn't have enough loyalty rank.
Ha!You can't kill me! I'm already dead!
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Soto Gallente
BLUEBERRIES WITH AUTISM RUST415
58
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Posted - 2015.12.17 01:51:00 -
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maybe deadcatz wrote:This is why I love tf2, you can be f2p and not pay a dime,but you can join in on the fun by buying a hat or some cheap item from the store. Anything. The cheapest thing upgrades your account.
But do the hats make you better? Do they make you deadlier? No. Because every idiot that has a inventory full of mad milk can just trade that for some metal and trade the metal for a hat. Or trade the mad milk for a hat,yes you heard me,milk for a hat.
You can get the most out of sometimes just spending .49 cents.
Dust gives you all its content. You don't even have to pay a dime to trade unless your account is less than 6 months old and doesn't have enough loyalty rank. I used to play tf2
Then I broke my computer
THE END
Ex-news reporter for The Scope
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Viktor Hadah Jr
0uter.Heaven
9
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Posted - 2015.12.17 03:48:00 -
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Anyone want to crowd fund me so i can fund star citizens.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/The-Completionist-Digital
I'm kind of a big deal.
All PEX User
Buying dead and inactive corporations
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Worthless Target
Extra Padding
91
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Posted - 2015.12.17 04:55:00 -
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I'll admit, im glad CCP knows how to avoid the pay to win mechanic, but there is still the oppressing wait to win mechanic.
Embrace the stomp
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y Shadow of Dust
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Posted - 2015.12.17 05:16:00 -
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You know, a lot of people on here will start pointing out all the things you can buy, like skins and stuff... But that's cosmetic.
I do have to agree with you, CCP did do a good job on a free-to-play game. There is no restricted content that you can't access for free. Spending money on this game is only cosmetic and allows you to have access to things earlier than you normally would. Which is perfect because they do have to have a way to make money from the game or else it couldn't function.
I do have to say they are a bit greedy and they could stand to care a bit more about customers rather than just a paycheck, like they did in the beginning.
They could really do better with public relations with their community and give us information more freely, it's like they think they're the CIA and they have top secret life altering information o.O
The C.E.O. of G.L.O.R.Y,
(~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
2
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Posted - 2015.12.17 13:27:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:You know, a lot of people on here will start pointing out all the things you can buy, like skins and stuff... But that's cosmetic.
I do have to agree with you, CCP did do a good job on a free-to-play game. There is no restricted content that you can't access for free. Spending money on this game is only cosmetic and allows you to have access to things earlier than you normally would. Which is perfect because they do have to have a way to make money from the game or else it couldn't function.
I do have to say they are a bit greedy and they could stand to care a bit more about customers rather than just a paycheck, like they did in the beginning.
They could really do better with public relations with their community and give us information more freely, it's like they think they're the CIA and they have top secret life altering information o.O
They really aren't keeping anything secret. If you check the eve forums you can usually get a pretty clear picture about what they are working on and you can even try it well in advance on tranquility.
we've heard quite a bit about valkyrie and they are eager to show it off at any con that will let them in the door.
ccp doesn't keep secrets, they just won't say the game has been abandoned from a development perspective because people would stop paying for things. doesn't mean the lights will be turned off people will likely be able to enjoy dust for several more years you just won't get much in the lines of development and new updates.
one of two things are happening right now, either dust is turning a tiny profit and CCP is happy to sit on that for now, or dust is breaking even and CCP is being kind to the community by keeping it up and running, but in neither scenario will CCP be investing anything in the future of the game. |
Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game Preatoriani
2
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Posted - 2015.12.17 14:37:00 -
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Dust has pretty good payment methods. I'd say the warbarge damage bonus is the only real p2w thing. Warbarge components should really be purchasable with isk, or at least tradable. We have no real way of using our isk for any long term progression, making the overall purpose of the game feel a little pointless. Using isk on the warbarge would have been a great way to invest. I thought the original purpose of Aurum was an alternative to isk, used to speed up your progression. Not to buy Aurum exclusive stuff. Yes the warbarge can be obtained passively, but the time frames are immense.
I think the skins are a bit overpriced.
People don't buy Aurum items as they are too expensive for consumables. There should be more discounted bundles like the faction bundles.
Judging by other games, monetisation in Dust is pretty good. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.12.17 16:47:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:But there's one thing we actually should praise CCP for.
They've done a very good in job in balancing a good product with a fair monetization policy.
I've been playing a lot of games on Steam lately, and the trend towards DLC and microtransactions, a long with higher base game prices is disturbing.
The big companies are quickly moving towards a 'minimum content - maximum cost' philosiphy.
I got excited when 'Total War: Warhammer' was announced. But then I learned that even though the base game is $80 (CAD), that they are working on Day-1 DLC RACE PACKS, 6 months before release! Not only that, splitting the game into three full priced titles, charging $5 dollars extra to see blood in the game (wish I was kidding) etc. etc. The overall game will cost $300-$400 if you want everything. Never buying anything from Creative Assembly again. Can't reward these practices.
I got excited when Battlefront was announced, but now I see the fraction of the contet BF 2 had, the Day 1 DLC, the fact that they are working on sequels before the first game is finished etc. Never buying from EA again either.
Screw all these big companies.
Yes Dust has it's share of problems, but at least they care about their product, interact with the community, and have a reasonable monetization policy. Credit where it's due!
b i t c h.........please!
go play Warframe then get back to us. |
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