DUST Search - Perma Scanning

Summa Militum wrote:

Mortishai Belmont wrote:

Summa Militum wrote:

Mortishai Belmont wrote:

There are actually modules you can use to prevent getting scanned, they are called dampeners. They are a low slot item and they are purchasable to the public.

I have read this suggestion from other people and it is a very irrational and illogical suggestion. Take a moment and think about it.

You have to skill into a specific suit and use nothing but scans for the effect you're talking about, it only stands to reason that your would have to take a specific measure to defeat it. Otherwise there would be no purpose in running a Gal. Logi with scans.

Put on damps and go take out the guy who is scanning like anyone else with sense would do. Or pull out scans of your own. Or run a suit that isn't affected so much by being scanned. Run scans to level the playing field.

So whine about it or do something on the field to counter it, either way I don't think it's going to change anything.

The problem I have with people saying to equip Dampeners to combat Permascanning is that it only takes one person to force the entire enemy team to have to gimp their suit in order to avoid being scanned.

One person should not have that much power. Permascanning should be a coordinated effort by multiple people.

I think since the Scanner drawls energy from the Dropsuit in order for it to work then it should be made so that once a merc uses a scanner the cool down effect for the scanner applies to all scanners equipped.

This will allow for people to equip different scanners for tactical purposes and forces permascanning to be achieved only when multiple people work together.

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Union118 TH3 STRUGGL3 1	Posted - 2015.12.03 02:37:00 - [1] - Quote Getting scanned 24/7 in a single match is a bit overkill. I dont care how many slots you have and what suit but the stacking scanners has got to go. I get the importance of a scan and its scanner but it is unnecessary for it to never stop. The whole team is not just going to turn into scouts and place links. The 200 meter for a scan for 8 seconds with 15 seconds of cool down is still a bit much if a gal logi is using it. Mayby 150 meters for 10 seconds and 20 second cooldown. You dont need 200 cuz on most maps thats half the playing field from redline to redline. Idk but unless someone has some better ideas for stacked scanners i think one should be enough. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
lamo guys Corrosive Synergy 133	Posted - 2015.12.03 02:42:00 - [2] - Quote Sorry man I scan a lot, but never have I run dual scans! Don't blink it will be over quick
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 539	Posted - 2015.12.03 02:43:00 - [3] - Quote Oh glorious another one complaining about the mechanics of Dust. Congratulations Sir ! You have now started a cycle on "Non Stacking Scanners" True Amarr In Disguise Vehicle Expert In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.
Happy Violentime 1	Posted - 2015.12.03 02:47:00 - [4] - Quote lamo guys wrote: Sorry man I scan a lot, but never have I run dual scans! Dual? I run quadruple scans on my gal logi.
Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion 2	Posted - 2015.12.03 02:49:00 - [5] - Quote Then we shouldn't have more than 1 link, Nanohive. Or rep on a suit. And duel? Please, I perma scan with different scanners. I scan scan one right after the other. CEO of T-W-L Gallente Loyalist- Ion Pistol for LIFE! GALLENTE!!! FREEDOM!!! QUAFE!!!
Raven-747 WarRavens Imperium Eden 274	Posted - 2015.12.03 02:51:00 - [6] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: lamo guys wrote: Sorry man I scan a lot, but never have I run dual scans! Dual? I run quadruple scans on my gal logi. Detected ^ When you headshot a frontline with proto
Llast 326 An Arkhos 9	Posted - 2015.12.03 02:52:00 - [7] - Quote Union118 wrote: Getting scanned 24/7 in a single match is a bit overkill. I dont care how many slots you have and what suit but the stacking scanners has got to go. I get the importance of a scan and its scanner but it is unnecessary for it to never stop. The whole team is not just going to turn into scouts and place links. The 200 meter for a scan for 8 seconds with 15 seconds of cool down is still a bit much if a gal logi is using it. Mayby 150 meters for 10 seconds and 20 second cooldown. You dont need 200 cuz on most maps thats half the playing field from redline to redline. Idk but unless someone has some better ideas for stacked scanners i think one should be enough. I'm partially to putting the same 3 second delay that the cloak has on the Scanners. That way people can carry different scanners for different levels of detection but would have to take time to switch between them. This would also add risk to scanning, as right now it's nothing to switch from scanner to weapon. MOAR Ladders SpadeGÇª Remember your Warbarge
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.12.03 03:47:00 - [8] - Quote Union118 wrote: Getting scanned 24/7 in a single match is a bit overkill. I dont care how many slots you have and what suit but the stacking scanners has got to go. I get the importance of a scan and its scanner but it is unnecessary for it to never stop. The whole team is not just going to turn into scouts and place links. The 200 meter for a scan for 8 seconds with 15 seconds of cool down is still a bit much if a gal logi is using it. Mayby 150 meters for 10 seconds and 20 second cooldown. You dont need 200 cuz on most maps thats half the playing field from redline to redline. Idk but unless someone has some better ideas for stacked scanners i think one should be enough. I have a solution to permascanning. Allow for solo players to earn Intel WPs for using the scanner. We should try to incentivize people to use a scanner to combat a scanner.
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.12.03 03:49:00 - [9] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: lamo guys wrote: Sorry man I scan a lot, but never have I run dual scans! Dual? I run quadruple scans on my gal logi. Is that necessary? I am able to permascan with my GalLogi using two CreoDron Active Scanners.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.12.03 04:13:00 - [10] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Then we shouldn't have more than 1 link, Nanohive. Or rep on a suit. And duel? Please, I perma scan with different scanners. I scan scan one right after the other. Links and nanohives have limits in the number on the field and the number carried and will eventually run out. The limiting factors on scans are what cool down, distance, and angle. The flux has 200m range which is pretty insane a large enough angle to capture when well placed the entire city and on a gal logi they never have down times with no scans.

Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.12.03 04:15:00 - [11] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: lamo guys wrote: Sorry man I scan a lot, but never have I run dual scans! Dual? I run quadruple scans on my gal logi. Is that necessary? I am able to permascan with my GalLogi using two CreoDron Active Scanners. It takes 3 flux to perma scan and a 4th to scan for the potential flank or a focused to get scouts.
Union118 TH3 STRUGGL3 1	Posted - 2015.12.03 04:18:00 - [12] - Quote Lets go with no stacking scanners for now. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.12.03 04:20:00 - [13] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Union118 wrote: Getting scanned 24/7 in a single match is a bit overkill. I dont care how many slots you have and what suit but the stacking scanners has got to go. I get the importance of a scan and its scanner but it is unnecessary for it to never stop. The whole team is not just going to turn into scouts and place links. The 200 meter for a scan for 8 seconds with 15 seconds of cool down is still a bit much if a gal logi is using it. Mayby 150 meters for 10 seconds and 20 second cooldown. You dont need 200 cuz on most maps thats half the playing field from redline to redline. Idk but unless someone has some better ideas for stacked scanners i think one should be enough. I'm partially to putting the same 3 second delay that the cloak has on the Scanners. That way people can carry different scanners for different levels of detection but would have to take time to switch between them. This would also add risk to scanning, as right now it's nothing to switch from scanner to weapon. LoL "Risk to scanning?" You mean "risk to farting". You want a Scanning Risk? Force ALL scans to reveal EVERYONE in their scan radius. Both allies and enemies. EVERYONE. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Vicious Minotaur 3	Posted - 2015.12.03 04:50:00 - [14] - Quote I have a simple solution to permascans: DELETE ACTIVE SCANNERS FROM THE GAME Seriously. Whoever though such a piece of equipment was a good idea needs to be subjected to this every day, twice a day. That goes for all you active scanner defender scumbags, too. Minotaur Master Race Violently penetrating you since ca 84 BCE. ( -í° -£-û -í°)
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y Shadow of Dust 1	Posted - 2015.12.03 05:35:00 - [15] - Quote There are actually modules you can use to prevent getting scanned, they are called dampeners. They are a low slot item and they are purchasable to the public. The C.E.O. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.12.03 05:54:00 - [16] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: There are actually modules you can use to prevent getting scanned, they are called dampeners. They are a low slot item and they are purchasable to the public. I have read this suggestion from other people and it is a very irrational and illogical suggestion. Take a moment and think about it.
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y Shadow of Dust 1	Posted - 2015.12.03 06:03:00 - [17] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: There are actually modules you can use to prevent getting scanned, they are called dampeners. They are a low slot item and they are purchasable to the public. I have read this suggestion from other people and it is a very irrational and illogical suggestion. Take a moment and think about it. You have to skill into a specific suit and use nothing but scans for the effect you're talking about, it only stands to reason that your would have to take a specific measure to defeat it. Otherwise there would be no purpose in running a Gal. Logi with scans. Put on damps and go take out the guy who is scanning like anyone else with sense would do. Or pull out scans of your own. Or run a suit that isn't affected so much by being scanned. Run scans to level the playing field. So whine about it or do something on the field to counter it, either way I don't think it's going to change anything. The C.E.O. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.12.03 06:25:00 - [18] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Summa Militum wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: lamo guys wrote: Sorry man I scan a lot, but never have I run dual scans! Dual? I run quadruple scans on my gal logi. Is that necessary? I am able to permascan with my GalLogi using two CreoDron Active Scanners. It takes 3 flux to perma scan and a 4th to scan for the potential flank or a focused to get scouts. I can understand equipping a Focused Scanner as Scanner #3 for tactical reasons but I feel like equipping 3 CreoDron Active Scanners is rather inefficient. Perhaps equipping so many scanners makes sense when running with a squad because you can just have someone else in your squad take care of providing other very necessary pieces of equipment. My Logi's are fitted around the premise of me running solo so if I were to equip three scanners it would be less beneficial than if I equipped two scanners and used my other two equipment slots for two other pieces of equipment. I guess it's all situational.
Genral69 death Only Bitche's 886	Posted - 2015.12.03 08:40:00 - [19] - Quote So much for u leaving However I get your point permanent scans can be serouisy annoying. Gko scout for the win? I truly suck at scouting xD alloteck breach https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=213777&find=unread
Union118 TH3 STRUGGL3 1	Posted - 2015.12.03 13:20:00 - [20] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: So much for u leaving However I get your point permanent scans can be serouisy annoying. Gko scout for the win? I truly suck at scouting xD alloteck breach I have not played this entire week. So technically i have left dust but this thread is long past overdue. My scout skills suck too but i seen you take out the trash. What happened with Third RRock? Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)

Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2	Posted - 2015.12.03 15:53:00 - [21] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Then we shouldn't have more than 1 link, Nanohive. Or rep on a suit. And duel? Please, I perma scan with different scanners. I scan scan one right after the other. Are you suggesting we should limit the number of times you can scan before you have to switch fits to refill you scans like on nanos and uplinks? I'm down for that añ¼añ+añ¦-añ¬añ+añƒañ¦-añÿañ¿añ+añ+añ¦-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ *"Baal comes...and destruction follows him like a storm."* añ¿añ+añ¦añ¿aÑìaññañ¦añ+añ¿aÑìañºañòañ+añ¦añ+aññ-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ-añ¦añ¦añÖaÑìañù
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 454	Posted - 2015.12.03 16:46:00 - [22] - Quote 1. With the amount of people who use Active Scanners, I personally find it unnecessary to run multiple scans. 2. I think people forget about the vehicles that roam around with scanners mods. 3. If you are using more than one scanner on a suit, you are being stupid because uplinks. 4. If you are using more than one scanner on a suit, you are being stupid because repair tool. 5. If you are using more than one scanner on a suit, you are being stupid because nanite equipment. 6. If you are complaining about scanners, you are being stupid because dampeners. 7. If you are complaining about scanners, you are being stupid because tactical counter. 8. If you are complaining about scanners, you are being stupid because stupid. D4GG3R is my mom. I have reason to suspect Archduke is a Sassy Pirate.
sizwe sizzle Dead Man's Game 26	Posted - 2015.12.03 19:33:00 - [23] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: There are actually modules you can use to prevent getting scanned, they are called dampeners. They are a low slot item and they are purchasable to the public. I use assault dropsuits so if there is a gal logi using a focused scanner I will have to use 3 slots damping which could have been used for biotics or shield regulator's etc YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED BRING IT ON
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 455	Posted - 2015.12.03 19:37:00 - [24] - Quote sizwe sizzle wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: There are actually modules you can use to prevent getting scanned, they are called dampeners. They are a low slot item and they are purchasable to the public. I use assault dropsuits so if there is a gal logi using a focused scanner I will have to use 3 slots damping which could have been used for biotics or shield regulator's etc If you're a medium frame you shouldn't be falling under their scan radius anyway without the use of multiple mods. D4GG3R is my mom. I have reason to suspect Archduke is a Sassy Pirate.
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y Shadow of Dust 1	Posted - 2015.12.04 17:38:00 - [25] - Quote sizwe sizzle wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: There are actually modules you can use to prevent getting scanned, they are called dampeners. They are a low slot item and they are purchasable to the public. I use assault dropsuits so if there is a gal logi using a focused scanner I will have to use 3 slots damping which could have been used for biotics or shield regulator's etc And they are using a whole suit and class to get scans that good, they could be using anything else in the game. What's your point? o.o The C.E.O. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 18	Posted - 2015.12.04 20:20:00 - [26] - Quote Ask Zatara Rought. Dropsuit Usage Rates
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 645	Posted - 2015.12.04 20:31:00 - [27] - Quote lamo guys wrote: Sorry man I scan a lot, but never have I run dual scans! I think it's fine. You don't see scanners on the top of the leaderboard. Also I have a Proto Min Logi fitting with 3 Proto scanners. =ƒÿà
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.12.05 00:44:00 - [28] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: Summa Militum wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: There are actually modules you can use to prevent getting scanned, they are called dampeners. They are a low slot item and they are purchasable to the public. I have read this suggestion from other people and it is a very irrational and illogical suggestion. Take a moment and think about it. You have to skill into a specific suit and use nothing but scans for the effect you're talking about, it only stands to reason that your would have to take a specific measure to defeat it. Otherwise there would be no purpose in running a Gal. Logi with scans. Put on damps and go take out the guy who is scanning like anyone else with sense would do. Or pull out scans of your own. Or run a suit that isn't affected so much by being scanned. Run scans to level the playing field. So whine about it or do something on the field to counter it, either way I don't think it's going to change anything. The problem I have with people saying to equip Dampeners to combat Permascanning is that it only takes one person to force the entire enemy team to have to gimp their suit in order to avoid being scanned. One person should not have that much power. Permascanning should be a coordinated effort by multiple people. I think since the Scanner drawls energy from the Dropsuit in order for it to work then it should be made so that once a merc uses a scanner the cool down effect for the scanner applies to all scanners equipped. This will allow for people to equip different scanners for tactical purposes and forces permascanning to be achieved only when multiple people work together.
Vyuru Algintal Core Gallente Federation 296	Posted - 2015.12.05 01:14:00 - [29] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: Summa Militum wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: There are actually modules you can use to prevent getting scanned, they are called dampeners. They are a low slot item and they are purchasable to the public. I have read this suggestion from other people and it is a very irrational and illogical suggestion. Take a moment and think about it. You have to skill into a specific suit and use nothing but scans for the effect you're talking about, it only stands to reason that your would have to take a specific measure to defeat it. Otherwise there would be no purpose in running a Gal. Logi with scans. Put on damps and go take out the guy who is scanning like anyone else with sense would do. Or pull out scans of your own. Or run a suit that isn't affected so much by being scanned. Run scans to level the playing field. So whine about it or do something on the field to counter it, either way I don't think it's going to change anything. The problem I have with people saying to equip Dampeners to combat Permascanning is that it only takes one person to force the entire enemy team to have to gimp their suit in order to avoid being scanned. One person should not have that much power. Permascanning should be a coordinated effort by multiple people. I think since the Scanner drawls energy from the Dropsuit in order for it to work then it should be made so that once a merc uses a scanner the cool down effect for the scanner applies to all scanners equipped. This will allow for people to equip different scanners for tactical purposes and forces permascanning to be achieved only when multiple people work together. Pretty much what he said. Also, the ability for one person to locate the entire enemy team is a bit too much and powerful. And dampened don't help, as the scanner receives a "some margin of error" message. Which tells them that there is a dampened scout over yonder, and to send their escort over to check it out. Also tossing in, remember way back when, in the time when everything in visual range was added to the TacNet? Remember how people said that was unfair? How is perma scanning with a Logi any different? I think scanners are a fine and useful tool, but they need to be reworked. Especially since some of the mechanics and limitations that they were designed around have been changed or removed. Scanner range falloff for starters would be a good start.
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 460	Posted - 2015.12.05 17:04:00 - [30] - Quote Time for a reality check. Lets start with a great opener. No medium, and especially not a heavy frame should be able to fall under the scan precision of an active scanner. Let me explain. Assaults: Upfront (in most cases) one on one encounters. They are good for getting up in there and shoving their guns right down peoples throats UNLESS they are focused on long range encounters with long ranged weapons. They are scannable because they have a bit of tank to them. Logis: Do I even need to say that the fact that they hold equipment gives more than ample reason to be scanned? Commandos: Tankier Assaults (usually with some form of AV) or just the fact that they have TWO light weapons, and not to mention their base HP is much higher than an Assault. Scans are used to pick up threats, and Commandos can be deadly. Sentinels: Fatty McFat Fats with armor plates and a freaking HMG or Forge Gun. So yeah these guys definitely should never fall under a scan. Secondly, anyone who says "why should I or anyone else gimp my suit by using a damp" needs to be slapped. If you are relying THAT much on your HP then maybe you should run something else or hide like the little whiney bitches you are. You are gimping yourself by not being diverse in your playstyle. (This just grinds my gears because I think of all the people who don't use proper fits and then complain when other mechanics in the game beat them out. This to me is a no brainer.) Next lets take a minute to think about how many people you see on the field with scanners. I know that if I'm in a squad there are two of us with scanners and neither of us have more than one on our suits PLUS I see about 3-5 other people on my team running scans as well. To top THAT off, I generally see one or more vehicles driving or flying around with scans constantly running. Moral of this little story is that if you're complaining about Permascanning, please do us all a favor and grow a pair because your cries are nothing but invalid and there are too many buckets full of your tears laying around. Use them on something that is actually wrong in this game. D4GG3R is my mom. I have reason to suspect Archduke is a Sassy Pirate.



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