I disagree that 1 person shouldn't be able to take out a tank. If I hop on top of a tank and he starts moving I should move with the tank since I am standing on top of it.

I should be able to hop on top of a tank, throw down a nanohive, and then repeatedly throw AV grenades down on the tank until it either blows up or the person driving the tank gets out to try to kill me. **** this easy mode ********.


My issue with a tank earlier today was within a different scenario though. I ran up behind a tank and hit it with three AV grenades. The tank took substantial damage then drove off about 30 meters in one direction while I ran to a supply depot about 20 meters in the opposite direction to restock my AV grenades.

When I went back after the tank I noticed his hardener was activated so I waited for the hardener to die down before engaging again. Finally when the hardener deactivated I go up to attack the tank just to find out that the tank was able to repair all of its armor during the timeframe of the hardener being activated. I hit the tank with 3 more AV grenades and the tank drove off about another 30 meters.

The entire time this is happening the tank is slaughtering my teammates who were at that particular objective point.

Now I find myself in the situation where the Supply Depot is 50 meters away from me with the tank being 80 meters from it; that's 130 meters I have to quickly travel in enough time to attack the tank again before he is able to reactivate the hardener.

This is ********.

Oh snap! This thread is still going.

I readjusted how I attack tanks so my stance on decreasing the activation time for Armor Hardener Modules no longer applies (I might resurrect my original opinion later on when I get more experience but for now it's dead to me).

Now I think my issue is with the quick acceleration tanks have when they go from not moving at all to moving but until I find out whether or not the quick acceleration is caused by a module I'm not going to harp on this one too much.

Plus, let's be honest; the root cause of all my issues with tanks is with other people on my team not having a class fitted with AV Grenades that they can use to help me take down a tank and the fact that most people seem to try to avoid tanks instead of going after to destroy them.

I have an 'APEX' and a 'Proto' fit appropriately named F**k You Tank. I wish for more people to have fittings designed around the idea of flanking up on tanks and destroying them. Shoving AV Grenades and a Plasma Cannon up a tanks @$$ (the rear of the tank is where the weak spot is at) is very effective for one person to destroy or at least scare off a tank; two people shoving AV Grenades and a Plasma Cannon up a tanks @$$ will destroy almost any Proto Tank.

It's a tank.....if he dies it will take 5 games to make back what the one vehicle cost.... so no you in your lone suit shouldn't be able to single handed take it out.

I feel that the Armor Hardener Module for vehicles should be used to allow vehicles to escape to safety. What I see now, specifically from Tanks, is they will activate the Armor Hardener Module and then continue to go about slaughtering everyone near them.

I suggest reverting Tanks and Dropships back to what they were before they were nerfed, remove passive Armor Repair from Tanks and Dropships, and decrease substantially the amount of time a Armor Hardener Module can stay active.

What are your thoughts?

I disagree.

I feel that the Armor Hardener Module for vehicles should be used to allow vehicles to escape to safety. What I see now, specifically from Tanks, is they will activate the Armor Hardener Module and then continue to go about slaughtering everyone near them.

I suggest reverting Tanks and Dropships back to what they were before they were nerfed, remove passive Armor Repair from Tanks and Dropships, and decrease substantially the amount of time a Armor Hardener Module can stay active.

What are your thoughts?

one plasma shoot with an Allotek Plasma Cannon and 3 Lai Dai Packed AV Grenade will do the trick for the most part solo unless you are fighting a shield tanker, they take two plasma shoots first then maybe 2 Lai Dai or 3 pending on rep time.

Then Tanks need to be cheaper. They aren't worth 5+ profitable battles.

I might disagree.

I am currently pumping a lot of SP into Tanks right now so I can create an expensive and powerful tank to use to do a cost-benefit analysis on them.

Simply consider the economics of HAV units.

An investment at its highest tier of game-play at roughly 1.143 or 4-6 100% profit conflicts. Any losses while deploying these vehicles sets you back a further 4-6 games.

To earn the same amount as an infantryman would take even longer.

ive always preferred to rep tank.


but as it stands tanks dont last nearly as long in our typical engagements with out hardeners..

the fact that hardeners are easier to fit than reps or plates doesnt help either.


honestly i bet if we could get hp closer to that of those large turret installations. and greatly nerf hardeners. tanks would have sufficient hp to deal with most encounters.


speed could then take a hit.

and possibly reps too. if it proves to be "To Much" for av to handle.

Slightly different twist:
Reduce hardener up-time by 67%, also reduce hardener downtime by 67%.

The basic idea is that right now, per HAV-HAV or HAV-infantry fight hardeners are (mostly) only activated once. Either the fight is won before the hardener runs out or one party bails. This is not exciting gameplay.
With the reduced hardener cycle time a pilot needs to time his hardener's uptime precisely to the incoming damage. The 10 seconds of hardening are worth nothing while the enemy is reloading his turret or while line of sight is denied. If one pilot is better at anticipating the flow of a fight and timing his hardener accordingly he will win over a pilot who doesn't.

The same theory can be applied to damage modules. However I advise against choosing too small cycle times as it'll make the micromanagement of modules a chore (two hardeners, a damage mod, a shieldbooster / fuel injector and maybe a scanner all operating on 20 second cycles? That'd be one module activation every 4 seconds on average).

Nah, for the armor vehicles, the delay is well justified.


But, for Shield Hardeners - YES reduce delay, they deserve it!
There is a huge logical difference between those two, and shields are still underhand currently.

After completing my assessment I will have considered the economics of HAV units relative to how much I view driving around in a Tank to be "easy mode" relative to infantrymen.

That's right...I said "easy mode".

I will await the "I drove past a group and they easily blew up my 2 mil ISK HAV" posting.

Simply consider the economics of HAV units.

An investment at its highest tier of game-play at roughly 1.143 or 4-6 100% profit conflicts. Any losses while deploying these vehicles sets you back a further 4-6 games.

To earn the same amount as an infantryman would take even longer.