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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
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Posted - 2015.11.19 10:02:00 -
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And fill matches by putting people on the team which has less players instead of the opposite.
What... 1.3, when?
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Jack Boost
Zarena Family
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Posted - 2015.11.19 10:18:00 -
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We don't need this. (PC will be broken without this - cus you can't bring more people to match)
Instead we need list of all matches and freely join to match that is suitable for you.
(people limit/ ping-connection/ wp etc)
If Scoty can't make happy all, you must do it onself.
But question is if console players can handle this?
Not much time left...
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.11.19 10:23:00 -
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Jack Boost wrote:We don't need this. (PC will be broken without this - cus you can't bring more people to match)
Instead we need list of all matches and freely join to match that is suitable for you.
(people limit/ ping-connection/ wp etc)
If Scoty can't make happy all, you must do it onself.
But question is if console players can handle this?
I see no reason why console players couldn't "handle" this O_o
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.11.19 10:24:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:Jack Boost wrote:We don't need this. (PC will be broken without this - cus you can't bring more people to match)
Instead we need list of all matches and freely join to match that is suitable for you.
(people limit/ ping-connection/ wp etc)
If Scoty can't make happy all, you must do it onself.
But question is if console players can handle this? I see no reason why console players couldn't "handle" this O_o
We had it before. Did it get taken away because we couldn't handle it? Oh noes!
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Keister Shrapnel
K-Mart
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Posted - 2015.11.19 11:12:00 -
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Or change "leave battle" option to "I'm a big *****" ==> "Do you really want to be a big *****?" X-yes O-no
If I stopped using explosives, my kdr would be doubled.
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Hawkings Greenback
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.11.19 11:25:00 -
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All that will happen is that the MCC will become a merc living room.
Then people will more than likely just switch off the game to leave the match.
It would be interesting to see if CCP had figures for the number of leavers during matches & if it has actually increased over the last 6 months.
From my experience in game it has gotten worse.
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Leovarian L Lavitz
TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS
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Posted - 2015.11.19 11:26:00 -
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Or have fog of war - leader board only shows a person's name after 500 wp are earned or after a player is killed.
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2015.11.19 13:28:00 -
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Keister Shrapnel wrote:Or change "leave battle" option to "I'm a big *****" ==> "Do you really want to be a big *****?" X-yes O-no
Should get changed to "Beer Break Button".
CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2015.11.19 13:33:00 -
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Hawkings Greenback wrote:All that will happen is that the MCC will become a merc living room.
Then people will more than likely just switch off the game to leave the match.
It would be interesting to see if CCP had figures for the number of leavers during matches & if it has actually increased over the last 6 months.
From my experience in game it has gotten worse.
Personally, when a match goes south, I just sit back by the supply depot and pop PLC rounds at a strategic location or snipe while holding a beer between my legs. Matches like that are hopeless and don't deserve any more of my attention. No, leaving and letting someone else in isn't going to change things. And isn't leaving now the big problem? So, at least I'm supporting the team some way.
However, my new obsession is dropship practice. You can never be too good with a dropship.
CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
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phucja
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.19 14:14:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:Jack Boost wrote:We don't need this. (PC will be broken without this - cus you can't bring more people to match)
Instead we need list of all matches and freely join to match that is suitable for you.
(people limit/ ping-connection/ wp etc)
If Scoty can't make happy all, you must do it onself.
But question is if console players can handle this? I see no reason why console players couldn't "handle" this O_o
Our lousy player base caused our current problems. Same ol' rant. U stomp noobs out of academy, refused to let's us into PC and exploited the crap out of PC isk farming to stomp us out of the game. We recognized this and now we're leaving battle when we see u infinteisk officer wearing game ruining, empty battle complaining asshol35. This game could have been awesome, if it wasn't for our crappy player base. Stomp complaining its your fault not CCP. Unless out player base matures we should not get any new content, updates, port or any improvements. Stomp complaining about empty battles its all your faults for intentionally running of our players. Good luck I'll b enjoying leaving battled and looking for balancedmatches
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phucja
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.19 14:22:00 -
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These post r awesome. I imagine this is how u feel when u send us messages after pubs bragging about how many times u killed me with ur officer weapon and then the gg scrub. I've asked u to stomp complaining but it feels good knowing ur miserable. But I gotta b careful don't wanna become a petty console player like u. Anyways, have fun running around big empty maps looking for the last 3 opponents |
Twelve Guage
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.11.19 14:42:00 -
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:And fill matches by putting people on the team which has less players instead of the opposite.
People will just turn their ps3 off if they don't want to stay in a match.
It would be easier to just keep people from join a new match if the
last match they were in isn't over.
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CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.19 14:44:00 -
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Over the years of this game, it's clear to see that Eve Dust 514 should be highly praised for tackling some of the most annoying player-driven "cheats" that video gaming is always plagued with (strafe-cheat, inviso-power cheat, elite-stomping, Aim-assist...).
But I think this is one "cheat" (a term we can argue about later) that I don't think we should ask the game to fix.
I don't think the problem has to do with Dust, and don't think it has to do with motivations or proper incentives. It's got to do with THIS population of players. Back in Dust's earlier days, the match was so hard to get through without being butchered by everything around you----that no one "left" the game in waves. The motivation to fight for your LIFE and survive was a strong motivation to get through the match any way you can.
Now that the game is "cushy" and pussycat-kind to players (in contrast to back then...) players..., well, you've posted it here yourself... we feel we're "too valuable to waste my skills and assets on a match that my team has clearly lost"... or I'm "a mercenary---I only fight when the right people or the right cause profits me", froo, froo, froo, pass me my caviar.
LOL, that's a long way away from the early motivation of "*&&%$, I need to find a way to make it through to Panel-B without getting snipered 8 times and run over 6!"
We may gripe and puke about "Scotty Matchmaker", but it has succeeded for us, and gave us what we wanted SO WELL, that we now have the luxury of thinking about our "valuable time", losing our "12 out of 218 units of Officer-type HAVs", and "the importance" of our personal combat skills being used productively to assist the dumb blueberries who I'm thrown in this team with. Today's Dust population (mostly) fights for our "hope for GAIN", not hope of LIFE, like in the past.
To address our new "mercenary" playing style (YOUR style, not really mine), the only thing I suggest is inserting a "Tax" mechanic into the game, so that you pay a "fee" for leaving the matches. You want to leave? Pay the "exit tax", which will be automatically deducted from your Ranking. Maybe you sacrifice LP for every time you hit the leave-button, maybe you get a "DED- loyalty status" that ranges from 'highly-loyal' to 'criminal-flag'. Or maybe you severely reduce your Loyalty Rank, and have to "buy" your "major" rank back by spending more Aurum.
But somehow, if you want to walk around the combat zone like a "King, too important to lose a match with bums", an "Athlete, with too many girls on his arm to waste my muscle in a match I know my teammates are too puny to win", or a "Billionaire, too concerned about losing a few dimes from my bank, to make a contribution to homeless blues in this match",... you should PAY a game-tax for leaving.
It's A GAME. It's supposed to be challenging enough to take your mind off the real-world people and things that frustrate your daily life. But if the game is "too danged easy to just sit around in", you will just hang around in it and aim all your real-world frustration on the OTHER PLAYERS IN THE GAME.
OMG, I wish we could turn back time and subject today's Dust population to 2012's Dust combat environment. Some need the exposure, and some just need the reminder.
Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne...
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Zen Chi
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.19 14:49:00 -
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How about we remove squads from pubs? |
FraggerMike
G.R.A.V.E
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.19 14:56:00 -
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^^ :) I like the "taxed for leaving battle" idea. Great one. Perhaps, if implemented, should be a combo of ISK, SP, and (gasp!) aurum. Either way, the tax should be more than potential earnings per battle.
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phucja
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.19 14:57:00 -
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Lol the community knows and CCP knows u guys hacked PC to farm isk used for easy mode stomping in pubs. Now that we found a solution to unfair completely one sided matches u want CCP to force us to stay in battles so u can farm us for kills. Lmfao not even CCP is that cruel. U guys have no shame. Stop fukn using ur phucn infiniteisk to easy mode stomp pubs. Fight n fw.Open up PC to us pub players we would like to play n PC without having the circle jerk immidiately kick us out, or there maybe to few players for this idea. But stomp complaining and take responsibility for ur actions. Stop pub stomping. Create qsync channels with about twenty proto/officer users and fight each other if u want to challenge ourselves and not just easy mode pubs. The qsyncs r not always evenly split but I guarantee they will b a lot better than 15 v 3 |
Twelve Guage
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.11.19 15:10:00 -
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phucja wrote:Lol the community knows and CCP knows u guys hacked PC to farm isk used for easy mode stomping in pubs. Now that we found a solution to unfair completely one sided matches u want CCP to force us to stay in battles so u can farm us for kills. Lmfao not even CCP is that cruel. U guys have no shame. Stop fukn using ur phucn infiniteisk to easy mode stomp pubs. Fight n fw.Open up PC to us pub players we would like to play n PC without having the circle jerk immidiately kick us out, or there maybe to few players for this idea. But stomp complaining and take responsibility for ur actions. Stop pub stomping. Create qsync channels with about twenty proto/officer users and fight each other if u want to challenge ourselves and not just easy mode pubs. The qsyncs r not always evenly split but I guarantee they will b a lot better than 15 v 3
Going to stop you right there and correct your obviously wrong perception of the P.C. exploits.
You should know that no one hacked anything. People did however take advantage of a system that
allowed them acquire isk and sp at a stupidly fast rate. That was a mistake on C.C.P'S part not the player base.
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phucja
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.19 15:16:00 -
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Twelve Guage wrote:phucja wrote:Lol the community knows and CCP knows u guys hacked PC to farm isk used for easy mode stomping in pubs. Now that we found a solution to unfair completely one sided matches u want CCP to force us to stay in battles so u can farm us for kills. Lmfao not even CCP is that cruel. U guys have no shame. Stop fukn using ur phucn infiniteisk to easy mode stomp pubs. Fight n fw.Open up PC to us pub players we would like to play n PC without having the circle jerk immidiately kick us out, or there maybe to few players for this idea. But stomp complaining and take responsibility for ur actions. Stop pub stomping. Create qsync channels with about twenty proto/officer users and fight each other if u want to challenge ourselves and not just easy mode pubs. The qsyncs r not always evenly split but I guarantee they will b a lot better than 15 v 3 Going to stop you right there and correct your obviously wrong perception of the P.C. exploits.
You should know that no one hacked anything. People did however take advantage of a system that
allowed them acquire isk and sp at a stupidly fast rate. That was a mistake on C.C.P'S part not the player base.
U hacked PC. PC players got into a circlejerk refused to battle each other, kicked us outwhen we got a district and farmed the crap out of isk to easy mode pub stomp us. I imagine before fanfest u actually fought each other n pc, but since then pc has always been owned by the same group of friends farming isk to stomp us n pubs. This old new. Y does everybody ignore the real problem, our lousy playerbase. This community does not deserve to survive
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.11.19 15:25:00 -
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phucja wrote:Our lousy player base caused our current problems. Same ol' rant. U stomp noobs out of academy, refused to let's us into PC and exploited the crap out of PC isk farming to stomp us out of the game. We recognized this and now we're leaving battle when we see u infinteisk officer wearing game ruining, empty battle complaining asshol35. This game could have been awesome, if it wasn't for our crappy player base. Stomp complaining its your fault not CCP. Unless out player base matures we should not get any new content, updates, port or any improvements. Stomp complaining about empty battles its all your faults for intentionally running of our players. Good luck I'll b enjoying leaving battled and looking for balancedmatches
Here. Sit down, and have a cookie.
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Twelve Guage
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.11.19 15:41:00 -
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phucja wrote:
U hacked PC. PC players got into a circlejerk refused to battle each other, kicked us outwhen we got a district and farmed the crap out of isk to easy mode pub stomp us. I imagine before fanfest u actually fought each other n pc, but since then pc has always been owned by the same group of friends farming isk to stomp us n pubs. This old new. Y does everybody ignore the real problem, our lousy playerbase. This community does not deserve to survive
What are you in the fifth grade? Please tell me your not being serious. I don't know
you and you don't know me. So I'm just going to let the verbal diarrhea you just spewed
slide for now. If you want people to take your seriously you should maybe not act like
your ten. You are very misinformed and really need to do some research before saying
things you have no ideal about to people who do. As for how I acquire my isk. It is really
none of your business. However I can at the very least assure you that it was not via an exploit.
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phucja
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.19 15:45:00 -
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Twelve Guage wrote:phucja wrote:
U hacked PC. PC players got into a circlejerk refused to battle each other, kicked us outwhen we got a district and farmed the crap out of isk to easy mode pub stomp us. I imagine before fanfest u actually fought each other n pc, but since then pc has always been owned by the same group of friends farming isk to stomp us n pubs. This old new. Y does everybody ignore the real problem, our lousy playerbase. This community does not deserve to survive
What are you in the fifth grade? Please tell me your not being serious. I don't know
you and you don't know me. So I'm just going to let the verbal diarrhea you just spewed
slip for now. If you want people to take your seriously you should maybe not act like
your ten. You are very misinformed and really need to do some research before saying
things you have no ideal about. As for how I acquire my isk. It is really none of your business
but I can at the very least assure you that it was not via an exploit.
Thankyou for clearing that up for me
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Garcon lyfe
G.R.A.V.E
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.19 17:07:00 -
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Sigh blah blah blah blah is all i hear they took advantage of what happened and now they other gamers have to pay for their greediness! at this point complaining wont do anything so let it go, they really dont care, there gonna laugh and continue to do what they do.
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Edgar Reinhart
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.19 17:37:00 -
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I know people will just leave by unplugging the internet or turning off the PS3 but maybe the idea of some kind of deposit to sign up to the contract?
Up until the point you deploy for the first time you're in the clear to leave whenever you want but once you have deployed you've accepted the contract and pay a, say 100,000ISK deposit, call it a Strategic Management Down Payment or something equally catchy. Complete the battle it is returned to you, leave the battle by clicking leave battle and you loose it.
Besides the disconnecting in other ways I'd assume the downsides of this would be people refusing to deploy at the start of battle until the direction of the fight was apparent, mitigating for people being Scottied and I'm sure other things I haven't thought of.
The first could possibly be mitigated by a slightly longer war barge and then the deposit would kick in once the game starts rather than the first deployment or something.
People who leave then either have their deposit added to the EoM payout in some way. Either to all those that complete the match, or just to those who join later, or something else. The people who join later have to pay lower deposits etc.
All very simple to programme with the teams limited resources I'm sure!!!..... I also expect that there are a myriad of ways that this wouldn't work as an idea anyway that I've just not bothered to think about.
Also like the idea of the Fog of War idea. Either off of War Points earned or "simply" off of the idea of being spotted, so the enemy teams list doesn't populate until the members have been physically seen (sanned?) by a member of the opposition.
As with the comment above I'm personally not much of a battle leaver. More an AFK/ Mess around in the Redline hoping I don't get sniped or have a Dropship land on me kind of guy, but there are sadly definitely matches where it simply becomes uninteresting/pointless to bother.
Apparently, although I don't own a XBone so it's only hearsay from friends etc, Halo 5 suffers from a similar problem of lopsided matches due to people leaving too. So it's not just us and CCP! |
LOL KILLZ
LulKlz
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Posted - 2015.11.19 21:29:00 -
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I ran into a very known S.KI.L.L. O.F. G.O.D. player and him and his whole squad ran when we killed them in a DOM match. 1 death is all it took. Needless to say we won the match but seriously. If you are going to attempt to ProtoStomp, take the ass whooping im going to give you for making the mistake of thinking I'm some noob.
HMG is my first love
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Worthless Target
Extra Padding
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:34:00 -
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If you're so fixed on a punishment for leaving, the most logical thing I can think of is not getting any of the isk and skill points you earned up to the point of leaving. I wouldn't pay someone who just up and quite their job. And the daily missions, no progress should be made in those from an incomplete match.
If you want a more extreme approach, then maybe your entire inventory should be deleted if you leave the match.
Embrace the stomp
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:52:00 -
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Jack Boost wrote:We don't need this. (PC will be broken without this - cus you can't bring more people to match)
Instead we need list of all matches and freely join to match that is suitable for you.
(people limit/ ping-connection/ wp etc)
If Scoty can't make happy all, you must do it onself.
But question is if console players can handle this?
The connection of other players is of particular interest. |
Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:55:00 -
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How about we make it so everybody is having fun, so nobody leaves?
OH WAIT! That would require actually improving DUST! Oh... wait... I don't think that's feasible at this point. Never mind...
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.11.19 23:08:00 -
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Every time I read these threads, I always come to the same conclusion. Some people just don't get it.
You can't improve the game by punishing people like that. It only rewards the stompers. Which is a problem in an of itself, and part of the reason people leave in the first place.
If you try and force them to stay, they will just restart the game, or system. If that is too much work, they will stop signing in and playing.
What they aren't going to do is stick around and play in a gamr that's conclusion was decided before they even spawned in. They aren't going to stick around so you can farm them in the redline.
If you REALLY want to be helpful, try and understand where they are coming from and REWARD them for sticking it out, and with enough incentive, they will!
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
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Posted - 2015.11.20 08:52:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Every time I read these threads, I always come to the same conclusion. Some people just don't get it.
You can't improve the game by punishing people like that. It only rewards the stompers. Which is a problem in an of itself, and part of the reason people leave in the first place.
If you try and force them to stay, they will just restart the game, or system. If that is too much work, they will stop signing in and playing.
What they aren't going to do is stick around and play in a gamr that's conclusion was decided before they even spawned in. They aren't going to stick around so you can farm them in the redline.
If you REALLY want to be helpful, try and understand where they are coming from and REWARD them for sticking it out, and with enough incentive, they will!
If they actually played the damn game, maybe they wouldn't lose. Whoever leaves a game is a *****.
What... 1.3, when?
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Jackkkkkkkkkkkkkkky jack
Th3.Immortals
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Posted - 2015.11.20 08:56:00 -
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i dont think its gonna work. bumbums will sit there do nothing , n sometimes ppl do have reason to leave battle
just found cal assault op^^
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