I usually hate everything you post...

But this shite is spot on.

Abron was gal SLAV, don't member cal one.

I miss that thing more than my LLAV. ):

And my blaster sagaris with triple RoF mods....

I blame 1.7.

Why was so much content removed? There was really no reason for it.

You can say CCP ruined vehicles but the reality is it is vehicle users ruined vehicles.

When I started playing this game corps like Nyan San were spamming invincible tanks that farmed infantry every match.

I'm not the only one who thinks players like this pushed droves of players away from DUST

Sure the AV vs vehicles is flawed and this game will be dead before any true "balance" is achieved

I don't think players should gimp their fits or play styles because they are winning but we are talking about vehicles that players would stop using because of how easy and boring it was to dominate when using them.

Murder Taxi's would probably be a threat that you could deal with right now. So I agree they need a bit of a buff
But when they were prevalent?
When Heavies were almost impossible to take down and even the basic HMG could shred you at 30m?
This is why it was nerfed into the ground

I think we are seeing now that having more access to stronger and varied AV has brought more balance than there ever was.

Right now tanks have a lot less options but they are still very strong and not at all easy to kill

ADS needs some love too

I personally would love vehicles to go back to how strong and varied they were many updates ago

Just allow all weapons 100% AV damage and swarms changed to a sidearm and you have a deal

You can say CCP ruined vehicles but the reality is it is vehicle users ruined vehicles.

When I started playing this game corps like Nyan San were spamming invincible tanks that farmed infantry every match.

I'm not the only one who thinks players like this pushed droves of players away from DUST

Sure the AV vs vehicles is flawed and this game will be dead before any true "balance" is achieved

I don't think players should gimp their fits or play styles because they are winning but we are talking about vehicles that players would stop using because of how easy and boring it was to dominate when using them.

Murder Taxi's would probably be a threat that you could deal with right now. So I agree they need a bit of a buff
But when they were prevalent?
When Heavies were almost impossible to take down and even the basic HMG could shred you at 30m?
This is why it was nerfed into the ground

I think we are seeing now that having more access to stronger and varied AV has brought more balance than there ever was.

Right now tanks have a lot less options but they are still very strong and not at all easy to kill

ADS needs some love too

I personally would love vehicles to go back to how strong and varied they were many updates ago

Just allow all weapons 100% AV damage and swarms changed to a sidearm and you have a deal

The best days of DUST have long gone, all we have left is memories.

Say what you want about the vehicles they were fun, well worth dropping in 40mil of SP into every part of it, so much fun so much variety but now all we have left is an empty shell.

Sure Nyan San abused them in ambush but whose fault it is? They used what they were allowed to use, it was not glitching or exploitation, it was in the rules of the game at that time and at that time matchmaking was shite and still is so proto stompers and 6man teams vs academy noobs.

Forget pubs, PC was where it was at, PC was where vehicles were actually useful and fun and were needed to an extent.

Pilots had an actual active role in games, now you can replace it with 1 infantry person in the vast majority of cases.

Distant memories.

I blame 1.7.

Why was so much content removed? There was really no reason for it.

You can say CCP ruined vehicles but the reality is it is vehicle users ruined vehicles.



Just allow all weapons 100% AV damage and swarms changed to a sidearm and you have a deal

Now , your first statement I agree with because it's like I say about this community ... YOUR PART OF THE PROBLEM , you have some the exaggerate and create issues from non-issues and they want their roles to shine more and the role that their bias against , nerfed into uselessness . Can't get viable feedback because CCP doesn't know what to do to please everyone and what could be useful gets muddled up in a bunch of troll responses and useless feedback from players trying to derail the thread .

Bias does more harm then anything and leads to more harm then good , it's part of the reason this game is in the state it's in now and that's because of the community at heart .

The second part of that is that you have players in that role and they want their role to shine more and because their getting push back from the part of the community that's trying to have their role nerfed , they can't be honest about things that need to done to their own role because of the lies that are being told in the attempt from the other side , so they lie about issues or proposed changes and in that , can't / don't give constructive feedback in an attempt to balance their role because they feel threatened .

This community is it's own worse enemy .

The last statement to me , is part of the reason that were in the boat that were in now .

Not balanced , a bit biased and seems to clearly be a part of the first group regardless if you use vehicles or not , that's how that statement comes across as being counterproductive .

That was some of the things that I seen in the vehicle discussions during the changes and it doesn't help vehicle use not one bit .

It just ruins a role because we can't have any bias placed to the side in benefit of the game , can't have a honest and constructive dialogue because some just want to manipulate and others act similar in an attempt to fight against that manipulation so they exaggerate .

Doesn't help the whole ( being the game ) one bit .

I blame ccp because they never listened to anything any of us say there were a lot of people that warned them about really bad decisions well before they were made even when it wasnt about vehicles...but they never ever listen .

That's because CCP has their favorites whom they listen too , If they play EVE , make video's / podcasts or some other self promotion or is in with those that do , it just seems like those are the players that they listen to .

I don't know if it has anything to do with past history from playing EVE but it just seems that they listen to all the wrong people because this game hasn't left the dungeon yet and I'm starting to believe they have those who are committed to Dust , right where they want them because it just seems like this game has zero future and I'm not even that shallow in talking about a port , what these port pushers just don't understand is that even with a port , that doesn't mean that they have a future for the game , it could be like the current marketing ... an attempt to get players to spend RW currency for a game that has no future but you would ask then , why port it .?. well , why keep this game going on now when anyone can clearly see that CCP has no future for it , they don't even hide that by the poor performance of the game .

One day it's running half way decent and the next your getting black screens and DQ's and they incorporate zero content other then ways to get you to spend RW currency . No talk about addressing matchmaking and no talk about the future of DUST 514 or what could be done about lag , glitches and other real issues that plague the performance of the game .

I know I keep talking about performance but to me , that and matchmaking are the elephant in the room and to keep ignoring these two issues is proof enough for me to understand that this game has no future .

Talk about real issues and get your thread either derailed by trolls or locked by CCP for ranting .

Troll threads get blue tags when that's suppose to be against their own policy .

Nothing will get done as long as those who care ( their not the majority ) about the game are pushed aside , that should also show that this game has zero future .

Unfortunately those who want balance are like 3% of posters

I think you forgot how broken the Charybdis was when it existed. It had an unkillable shield recharging faster than tanks could recharge theirs and the damages from the broken physic were insanely high.

It was the worst plague in dust's history. And it lasted more than a year. If they ever reintroduce these things, they'll have to be very careful with the stats !

Then, you do have a good point on how bad vehicle content was taken out of the game.. It's a real shame to think that the balance (and the content) was better before 1.7 than after while it was supposed to be "the best vehicle update" ...

One simple wordGǪ TANKOPHOBIA.


Or, VEHICLOPHOBIA if you like. Same difference, the COD infantry only FPS crybabies got their way.

These people would absolutely ruin EVE if they weren't console only kiddies. They'd cry until EVE nerfed or removed all the ships.

I think you forgot how broken the Charybdis was when it existed. It had an unkillable shield recharging faster than tanks could recharge theirs and the damages from the broken physic were insanely high.

It was the worst plague in dust's history. And it lasted more than a year. If they ever reintroduce these things, they'll have to be very careful with the stats !

Then, you do have a good point on how bad vehicle content was taken out of the game.. It's a real shame to think that the balance (and the content) was better before 1.7 than after while it was supposed to be "the best vehicle update" ...

I blame 1.7.

- Pilots knew the end was near when Uprising was first released, and the PG skill was taken away.

Why was so much content removed? There was really no reason for it.

- Too much variety for pilots, too many oceans created from the tears of infantry that cried they couldn't solo the best pilots around with MLT AV.

because it made it hard to balance

and most all of that content if not all was removed uprising 1.0

Murder taxi were only a problem because of flawed bumper physics.

A LLAV would not be the same now, even more so due to passive resistance mods being a thing of the past.


Can we have them back?

Worse than 400m lock on swarms?

Far worse IMO. Swarms were absolutely useless against them.. And they didn't last as long !

I think you forgot how broken the Charybdis was when it existed. It had an unkillable shield recharging faster than tanks could recharge theirs and the damages from the broken physic were insanely high.

It was the worst plague in dust's history. And it lasted more than a year. If they ever reintroduce these things, they'll have to be very careful with the stats !

Then, you do have a good point on how bad vehicle content was taken out of the game.. It's a real shame to think that the balance (and the content) was better before 1.7 than after while it was supposed to be "the best vehicle update" ...

the caldari logi lav was inferior to the gallente logi lav

I blame 1.7.

Why was so much content removed? There was really no reason for it.

I think you forgot how broken the Charybdis was when it existed. It had an unkillable shield recharging faster than tanks could recharge theirs and the damages from the broken physic were insanely high.

It was the worst plague in dust's history. And it lasted more than a year. If they ever reintroduce these things, they'll have to be very careful with the stats !

Then, you do have a good point on how bad vehicle content was taken out of the game.. It's a real shame to think that the balance (and the content) was better before 1.7 than after while it was supposed to be "the best vehicle update" ...

I'll reinstall DUST if I can get my Charybdis back, kthx.

Hai Morte <3

You really think something weighing likely more than today's cars, say more around 6000lbs or more traveling at 80mph really won't ragdoll a meatbag?

Lolwut? One two many uplink spawns there eh? Maybe some lasting cell damage?

To this waste of nanites, and the others who say they would still be OP.

THEY REMOVED THE MODULES THAT MADE THEM OP...

And one could do same amount of killing at that time with a baloch due to BAD BUMPER PHYSICS...

Both of these have been since 'balanced'...

Do you guys even eyeball bro? Or do you just fumble fingers around and then hit post?

exactly...no chasis no jovian fusion powerplants....plus the entire roadkill damage got dramatically nerfed isnt like it used to be ....wouldnt be op at all

They would be a sad Shadow of their former selves.. But I would still rock them.

Hidden agenda: hoping I would get my SLAV back as well xD

With overdrives they moved quick enough that av nades magnetism didn't work either.