DUST Search - The cloak is horrendous!

Vesta Opalus wrote:

korrah silain wrote:

Vesta Opalus wrote:

Cloak is fine as is. You're doing it wrong and/or underestimating its effects.

Maybe the proto cloak is fine but the basics can be seen very easily. This makes them useless, which in turn gimps scouts as a whole by making basic frames not able to get a benefit from what is their signature equipment(the "scout bonus" is a discount on fitting costs for a piece of equipment that is useless at that tier) and gimps adv pretty hard as well(adv cloaks take up a majority of the fitting on an adv suit.( Enough that the rest of the slots are very hard to fill, even with lower cost modules)

Is that a confirmed fact, that proto/adv/basic all have different graphical effects? Source?

I used to use the basic cloak exclusively until I had a glut of SP and just said **** it and went proto with it. Ive never had issues using the down-tier cloaks vs. the proto cloak except for the time the thing is active.

Though I do agree that cloak CPU/PG costs are too high for scouts of basic/adv level (and even the proto minmatar has alot of trouble fitting the proto/adv tier ones). This problem also exists for high slot shield regen modules, plasma cannons, and hacking/kinetic modules, to greater or lesser extent.

you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.

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Anmol Singh G0DS AM0NG MEN 1	Posted - 2015.11.03 03:56:00 - [1] - Quote 99% of the time people can easily spot me in my cloak from a mile away. It seriously is the easiest thing to spot. Proposal: Make is less visible or remove cloak and give scouts some useful bonus. *Sagaris lover!!!* Commando <3
Radiant Pancake3 KILL-EM-QUICK 2	Posted - 2015.11.03 03:58:00 - [2] - Quote A sentinel is easier to spot than a cloaked scout. Learned the ways of N4g from Alcina's mom Deemed the most Kinkiest Corp Mate. Min Loyalist.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.11.03 04:02:00 - [3] - Quote As a war reporter, I wouldn't mind it having a longer activation time. https://youtu.be/gcxoqhtkSZY Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.11.03 04:22:00 - [4] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: 99% of the time people can easily spot me in my cloak from a mile away. It seriously is the easiest thing to spot. Proposal: Make is less visible or remove cloak and give scouts some useful bonus. I believe I read that the reason people are so easily spotted at a distance when they are cloaked is because of the pixel display on televisions. I think because of pixel display nothing can be done on the DEVs end to help people who are cloaked not be spotted so easily at a distance. I could be wrong about this though.
Union118 TH3 STRUGGL3 907	Posted - 2015.11.03 04:23:00 - [5] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: 99% of the time people can easily spot me in my cloak from a mile away. It seriously is the easiest thing to spot. Proposal: Make is less visible or remove cloak and give scouts some useful bonus. Not to me. Maybe my TV sucks but you cloakers blend in the screen. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
duster 35000 546	Posted - 2015.11.03 04:29:00 - [6] - Quote Union118 wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: 99% of the time people can easily spot me in my cloak from a mile away. It seriously is the easiest thing to spot. Proposal: Make is less visible or remove cloak and give scouts some useful bonus. Not to me. Maybe my TV sucks but you cloakers blend in the screen. it's the maps with lower lighting the max amount of blue needs to be turned down I can't wait to first tanks We'll bang ok?
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.11.03 04:38:00 - [7] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: As a war reporter, I wouldn't mind it having a longer activation time. https://youtu.be/gcxoqhtkSZY After watching the video I think it would be wise for CCP to hook you up with a Special Cloak that will never deactivate that way you can make more videos like this. A 40 second Cloak Duration is clearly not long enough for a war reporter.
korrah silain True Illuminate 128	Posted - 2015.11.03 04:45:00 - [8] - Quote Yea for fucks sake please! It got gimped to the point thatit couldn't be used to hunt, or ambush directly ages ago, it would be nice if the visuals were updated to allow it to function.as a positioning tool...also maybe decrease the cost to reflect its nerfing? Kinda insane how hard adv is to fit on adv suits you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.11.03 04:52:00 - [9] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: As a war reporter, I wouldn't mind it having a longer activation time. https://youtu.be/gcxoqhtkSZY After watching the video I think it would be wise for CCP to hook you up with a Special Cloak that will never deactivate that way you can make more videos like this. A 40 second Cloak Duration is clearly not long enough for a war reporter. That would be incredibly helpful. Setting up my PS Move to remove my arm from screen, plus, cloaking up takes too much to finagle. https://youtu.be/z2BGXRZggxI Theory crafting EQ. e.g Cinematic Cloak: a Cloak with 30 minutes of activation time and 30 minutes of recharge time (just has to be sufficiently long enough to discourage re-cloaking on a single suit. This essentially makes it a one time use cloak that never shuts down, but cannot be activated multiple times--unless you swap out a supply depot. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Pocket Rocket Girl Psygod9 515	Posted - 2015.11.03 04:56:00 - [10] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: As a war reporter, I wouldn't mind it having a longer activation time. https://youtu.be/gcxoqhtkSZY nice job on the vid, also did you have to organize or coordinate it or was it just a natural happening Moo...

Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.11.03 05:34:00 - [11] - Quote Pocket Rocket Girl wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: As a war reporter, I wouldn't mind it having a longer activation time. https://youtu.be/gcxoqhtkSZY nice job on the vid, also did you have to organize or coordinate it or was it just a natural happening All natural. I ****** up on the recloak and that's how the ADS pilot saw me. Figured I'd just wait it out and see if they'd murder me--made a good transition point. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1	Posted - 2015.11.03 06:15:00 - [12] - Quote Union118 wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: 99% of the time people can easily spot me in my cloak from a mile away. It seriously is the easiest thing to spot. Proposal: Make is less visible or remove cloak and give scouts some useful bonus. Not to me. Maybe my TV sucks but you cloakers blend in the screen. Yeah, more times than not I don't see cloaks. The further away though, it shows up easier than close. I think it has more to do with server lag loading the aheen. Therefore, moving quickly gives you some advantage. It's the straight running or moving side or backwards that give it up. CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
maybe deadcatz Serris Inc 1	Posted - 2015.11.03 06:55:00 - [13] - Quote I think my balance on scout damps includes a rework on the cloak. Instead of having the 15% bonus reduction that skill would be moved to the cloak field operation tree in dropsuit upgrades and gallente scouts would recieve bonus cloak time per level to make up for the damp bonus being made into the scout suit bonus. So all scouts can be stealthy and use the cloak,but the gallente can use it with more effct. Edit: here's a link to my post. Though its right here in gd thing (Gò«=^° -ë °^=)Gò«Gö¦GöüGöüGö¦ ( Gò»=^°Gûí°^=)Gò» Gö+GöüGöüGö+ Gù»n+Éo( =-ë=)y~~..nyaa Ha! You can't kill me,I'm already dead!
Vicious Minotaur 3	Posted - 2015.11.03 07:15:00 - [14] - Quote The cloak is horrendous?! Minotaur Master Race Forcibly penetrating humans since ca 84 BCE. ( -í° -£-û -í°)
Jackkkkkkkkkkkkkkky jack Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 115	Posted - 2015.11.03 08:32:00 - [15] - Quote u will still show on mini map if ur scanned or just walk across someone...... its easy to see u ... so .... skill lol just found cal assault op^^
Ydubbs81 RND Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 4	Posted - 2015.11.03 08:56:00 - [16] - Quote Union118 wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: 99% of the time people can easily spot me in my cloak from a mile away. It seriously is the easiest thing to spot. Proposal: Make is less visible or remove cloak and give scouts some useful bonus. Not to me. Maybe my TV sucks but you cloakers blend in the screen. Yep Scouts cloak up and they disappear right in front of you. Maybe they jump or go behind a corner and if you don't catch that little shimmer, they are gone. How do you think duna's KD is so high? It's because when his tank gets blown up, he cloaks and you can't find him. Any less invisible then they will be totally invisible even when they are running. "Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit" Check RND out here
korrah silain True Illuminate 129	Posted - 2015.11.03 09:41:00 - [17] - Quote I see cloaked scouts moving around all the time, and standing still while cloaked is hardly a defence when recticles flash if you aim at them. I will admit that the lower tiers are easier to see, which is bull. There is absolutely no reason to run the basic cloaks unless they are the free ones on the apex suits because they don't lower visibility while on the move at all and take up stupid resources. That would be the only thing I would change is to make the visual the same across tier because between the duration, and the dampening bonus there is enough of a progression, and it would be nice to be able to fit a useful cloak on a basic or advanced frame. you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
Radiant Pancake3 KILL-EM-QUICK 2	Posted - 2015.11.03 12:46:00 - [18] - Quote korrah silain wrote: Yea for fucks sake please! It got gimped to the point thatit couldn't be used to hunt, or ambush directly ages ago, it would be nice if the visuals were updated to allow it to function.as a positioning tool...also maybe decrease the cost to reflect its nerfing? Kinda insane how hard adv is to fit on adv suits It's a cloak made for traversing open areas/easier flanking. Not a war cloak. Learned the ways of N4g from Alcina's mom Deemed the most Kinkiest Corp Mate. Min Loyalist.
Chosokabe Ite Shields Of The State 131	Posted - 2015.11.03 13:30:00 - [19] - Quote I tried bringing attention to this before. I suggested cloak shimmer visibility should depend on how fast the player is moving. But the anti cloak crowd made it clear that they were perfectly comfortable with seeing cloaked players clearly at any distance. Sniped a cloaked player once, after I spotted him WITHOUT the scope zoomed in. Wasn't very satisfying.
Yeeeuuuupppp Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.11.03 13:47:00 - [20] - Quote Or: we can just remove cloaks WITHOUT giving any special bonus so being a scout actually requires 'skill' Unless said bonus is reduction to profile like it was before the clack tainted scouts *I'll boop you with a plasma Cannon* PSN: GMANCASH "I played Dust so long i grew a f--king afro"

Anmol Singh G0DS AM0NG MEN 1	Posted - 2015.11.03 14:18:00 - [21] - Quote I would also like to mention some other flaws of the cloak. Say I stacked on 4 complex precision mods on my Cal scout and 2 range amps, as soon as I turn on the cloak, all those mods go to waste because you get like 2m scan radius (NO WONDER ALL THE SCOUTS TANK NOW). Also, the stupid delay to change to weapon also applies to when you aren't cloaked but have cloak in hand. That is literally one of the worst things ever. *Sagaris lover!!!* Commando <3
korrah silain True Illuminate 129	Posted - 2015.11.03 17:11:00 - [22] - Quote Radiant Pancake3 wrote: korrah silain wrote: Yea for fucks sake please! It got gimped to the point thatit couldn't be used to hunt, or ambush directly ages ago, it would be nice if the visuals were updated to allow it to function.as a positioning tool...also maybe decrease the cost to reflect its nerfing? Kinda insane how hard adv is to fit on adv suits It's a cloak made for traversing open areas/easier flanking. Not a war cloak. Funny how it makes it alot easier to see when traversing open areas then, isn't it? you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
Daemonn Adima Y.A.M.A.H 537	Posted - 2015.11.03 17:19:00 - [23] - Quote I suck moose knuckle at unstealthing and getting my knives or Shotty out. I mean I REALLY suck at it. 9/10 times I'll be in stealth, see my target, select my knives stealth and start to attack. Only I end up recloaking and my knives never come out. Then I run around like a frakking moron unstealthing and restealthing thinking my knives came out. I must be the easiest cloak kills some people have had. I'm sure a majority of the people I try and knife think I'm actually ********. WTT APEX Tiger Scout.... =\
Vesta Opalus PROJECT OF KILLERS. RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.11.03 17:41:00 - [24] - Quote Cloak is fine as is. You're doing it wrong and/or underestimating its effects.
korrah silain True Illuminate 129	Posted - 2015.11.03 17:57:00 - [25] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Cloak is fine as is. You're doing it wrong and/or underestimating its effects. Maybe the proto cloak is fine but the basics can be seen very easily. This makes them useless, which in turn gimps scouts as a whole by making basic frames not able to get a benefit from what is their signature equipment(the "scout bonus" is a discount on fitting costs for a piece of equipment that is useless at that tier) and gimps adv pretty hard as well(adv cloaks take up a majority of the fitting on an adv suit.( Enough that the rest of the slots are very hard to fill, even with lower cost modules) you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
Vesta Opalus PROJECT OF KILLERS. RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.11.03 18:02:00 - [26] - Quote korrah silain wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Cloak is fine as is. You're doing it wrong and/or underestimating its effects. Maybe the proto cloak is fine but the basics can be seen very easily. This makes them useless, which in turn gimps scouts as a whole by making basic frames not able to get a benefit from what is their signature equipment(the "scout bonus" is a discount on fitting costs for a piece of equipment that is useless at that tier) and gimps adv pretty hard as well(adv cloaks take up a majority of the fitting on an adv suit.( Enough that the rest of the slots are very hard to fill, even with lower cost modules) Is that a confirmed fact, that proto/adv/basic all have different graphical effects? Source? I used to use the basic cloak exclusively until I had a glut of SP and just said **** it and went proto with it. Ive never had issues using the down-tier cloaks vs. the proto cloak except for the time the thing is active. Though I do agree that cloak CPU/PG costs are too high for scouts of basic/adv level (and even the proto minmatar has alot of trouble fitting the proto/adv tier ones). This problem also exists for high slot shield regen modules, plasma cannons, and hacking/kinetic modules, to greater or lesser extent.
korrah silain True Illuminate 129	Posted - 2015.11.03 18:16:00 - [27] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: korrah silain wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Cloak is fine as is. You're doing it wrong and/or underestimating its effects. Maybe the proto cloak is fine but the basics can be seen very easily. This makes them useless, which in turn gimps scouts as a whole by making basic frames not able to get a benefit from what is their signature equipment(the "scout bonus" is a discount on fitting costs for a piece of equipment that is useless at that tier) and gimps adv pretty hard as well(adv cloaks take up a majority of the fitting on an adv suit.( Enough that the rest of the slots are very hard to fill, even with lower cost modules) Is that a confirmed fact, that proto/adv/basic all have different graphical effects? Source? I used to use the basic cloak exclusively until I had a glut of SP and just said **** it and went proto with it. Ive never had issues using the down-tier cloaks vs. the proto cloak except for the time the thing is active. Though I do agree that cloak CPU/PG costs are too high for scouts of basic/adv level (and even the proto minmatar has alot of trouble fitting the proto/adv tier ones). This problem also exists for high slot shield regen modules, plasma cannons, and hacking/kinetic modules, to greater or lesser extent. Yeah that problem isn't nearly to the same extent, and yes the graphics are different, no I don't have a source beyond anecdotal evidence, but yes I am almost certain there is a difference considering I see a difference not only when I equip them, but also on different scouts I'm up against. you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
logan turnbull Hellstorm LLC 40	Posted - 2015.11.03 18:25:00 - [28] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: 99% of the time people can easily spot me in my cloak from a mile away. It seriously is the easiest thing to spot. Proposal: Make is less visible or remove cloak and give scouts some useful bonus. If you move we can see you part of the cloak mechanics. lets roll
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 9	Posted - 2015.11.03 18:35:00 - [29] - Quote korrah silain wrote: Yea for fucks sake please! It got gimped to the point thatit couldn't be used to hunt, or ambush directly ages ago, it would be nice if the visuals were updated to allow it to function.as a positioning tool...also maybe decrease the cost to reflect its nerfing? Kinda insane how hard adv is to fit on adv suits It's not a combat cloak. It's a utility cloak. You use it to get from the city to an outside point undetected. Using a cloak in a city is beyond [mentally handicapped]. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
korrah silain True Illuminate 129	Posted - 2015.11.03 18:39:00 - [30] - Quote Joel II X wrote: korrah silain wrote: Yea for fucks sake please! It got gimped to the point thatit couldn't be used to hunt, or ambush directly ages ago, it would be nice if the visuals were updated to allow it to function.as a positioning tool...also maybe decrease the cost to reflect its nerfing? Kinda insane how hard adv is to fit on adv suits It's not a combat cloak. It's a utility cloak. You use it to get from the city to an outside point undetected. Using a cloak in a city is beyond [mentally handicapped]. And yet you become more visible the further out you are. Nice argument talking about mentally handicapped. Also the nside the city it works to make an escape around a.corner and stop to hide, but you clearly don't play scout... you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.



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