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Mr Leader
Duvolle Banks
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Posted - 2015.10.29 22:07:00 -
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It's been nerfed as low as it can go. It needs a serious lock on range buff. |
Radiant Pancake3
KILL-EM-QUICK
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Posted - 2015.10.29 22:20:00 -
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Wasn't it nerfed last hotfix...
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Bradric Banewolf
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.29 23:42:00 -
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Mr Leader
Duvolle Banks
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Posted - 2015.10.29 23:53:00 -
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250m would be reasonable I suppose. This definitely needs to get looked at again because right now it's pitiful and tankers and drop ships know how to stay just out of range and assault me and blueberries. Forge guns are the only thing that makes sense now and that's not the way it's supposed to be. |
maybe deadcatz
Serris Inc
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Posted - 2015.10.30 00:03:00 -
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Nerf the swarms,they are so op.
After the Nerf,buff the swarms,they suck!
AND THE CYCLE CONTINUES.
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Yoda Boss
Dem Durrty Boyz
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Posted - 2015.10.30 02:38:00 -
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The only fair way is to give the swarms the same range as small missiles. Or nerf small missiles to the range of swarms.
Right now dropships just hover a little above 150m n rain down shots..
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Press Attache
The Office of The Attorney General
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Posted - 2015.10.30 02:44:00 -
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Mr Leader wrote:250m would be reasonable I suppose. This definitely needs to get looked at again because right now it's pitiful and tankers and drop ships know how to stay just out of range and assault me and blueberries. Forge guns are the only thing that makes sense now and that's not the way it's supposed to be.
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know your auto aim scrub Weapon should be just as strong as a forge.
Learn to aim and then AV won't be so bad.
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Jackkkkkkkkkkkkkkky jack
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.30 02:56:00 -
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i think just put range buff in swarm proficiency will b good...ppl have to spend sp for the buff..... dont just buff the status of weapon
just found cal assault op^^
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maybe deadcatz
Serris Inc
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Posted - 2015.10.30 02:58:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:Mr Leader wrote:250m would be reasonable I suppose. This definitely needs to get looked at again because right now it's pitiful and tankers and drop ships know how to stay just out of range and assault me and blueberries. Forge guns are the only thing that makes sense now and that's not the way it's supposed to be. Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know your auto aim scrub Weapon should be just as strong as a forge. Learn to aim and then AV won't be so bad.
Aim? Ha! Why aim when there's lock on? Nah just kidding. I love blasting drop ships with a plasma cannon. The pilot never sees it coming.
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shanatak
Prima Gallicus
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Posted - 2015.10.30 07:10:00 -
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Mr Leader wrote:It's been nerfed as low as it can go. It needs a serious lock on range buff.
Nerf your idea |
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Leovarian L Lavitz
TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS
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Posted - 2015.10.30 07:20:00 -
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Let open vehicle passengers toss grenades
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duster 35000
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Posted - 2015.10.30 07:44:00 -
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Yoda Boss wrote:The only fair way is to give the swarms the same range as small missiles. Or nerf small missiles to the range of swarms.
Right now dropships just hover a little above 150m n rain down shots..
dropships can kill at over 150m since when?
Molestia approved.
We'll bang ok?
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Trooper X
TROOPER Corp X
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Posted - 2015.10.30 07:56:00 -
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shanatak wrote:Mr Leader wrote:It's been nerfed as low as it can go. It needs a serious lock on range buff. Nerf your idea
Dude!... Your one of the few ADS pilots, I know by name... You were easily killing people with your shiny skytank before the nerf and from what I can see, its even easier for you, after it...
The range nerf wasn't needed... the turn angle and damage effect, i'd tend to agree with...
The constant nerf, buff thing is a pain though...
A 'range module' that you could buy would be better. Give the commands a slot where the grenades would go, that way if your going to use the SL, you need to be a bit more dedicated to the role, to be fully effective....
TROOPER Corp X - Solo Merc - Blueberry Corp
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.10.30 09:24:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Let open vehicle passengers toss grenades
let open vehicle passengers use their HMG/SWARMS/PLC  |
Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2015.10.30 09:25:00 -
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Mr Leader wrote:250m would be reasonable I suppose. This definitely needs to get looked at again because right now it's pitiful and tankers and drop ships know how to stay just out of range and assault me and blueberries. Forge guns are the only thing that makes sense now and that's not the way it's supposed to be.
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duster 35000
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Posted - 2015.10.30 09:41:00 -
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Mr Leader wrote:It's been nerfed as low as it can go. It needs a serious lock on range buff.
My swarm range is already long enough
Molestia approved.
We'll bang ok?
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.30 10:43:00 -
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I just don't understand why damage wasn't lowered. It craps out 12 missiles in less than 7 seconds which can do upwards of 1200 damage with each volley, even more with dmg mods, proficiency and the warbarge thing.
The amount of damage is what should be dealt with, not lock range or distance it can travel.
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Moochie Cricket
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.30 11:54:00 -
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duster 35000 wrote:Yoda Boss wrote:The only fair way is to give the swarms the same range as small missiles. Or nerf small missiles to the range of swarms.
Right now dropships just hover a little above 150m n rain down shots.. dropships can kill at over 150m since when?
Missiles have a 200m range, but anything outside of 75m usually doesn't render.
Caldari
REALLY 514
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control
Otherworld Empire Productions
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Posted - 2015.10.30 12:51:00 -
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I'd be happy if it could lock below you as well. Or actually lock within the range, range meter can say lower than lock range but still unable to lock on.
/c
DUSTBoard
DUST Server Status
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Thaddeus Reynolds
Facepunch Security
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Posted - 2015.10.30 13:04:00 -
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ChribbaX wrote:I'd be happy if it could lock below you as well. Or actually lock within the range, range meter can say lower than lock range but still unable to lock on.
/c
Wait...Chribba actually plays dust? But there's no Veldspar down here!
In all seriousness, the Swarm Lock Mechanics need to be looked at...I've haven't been able to lock onto targets in the 90-120m ranges before, only to be able to lock onto that target at 175-200m (large ranges given due to difficulty in discerning precise distances and to compensate for movement of the target and myself). While these are the exception, not the rule in my experience...they are nonetheless annoying the work with (or be on the receiving end of).
A proper DPS/Range Curve needs to be established for AV weaponry...but vehicles in general need looked at as well, the Vehicle v AV system still jumps between two extremes, with very little being in the middle. Rarely when fighting a vehicle as an AVer or when fighting an AVer as a vehicle do I think that it was a "fair" fight (in that it is rare that I feel like I have an equal mechanical chance to be killed as to kill something always in imbalanced...both ways)
Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper.
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Vulpes Dolosus
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.30 14:58:00 -
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Yoda Boss wrote:The only fair way is to give the swarms the same range as small missiles. Or nerf small missiles to the range of swarms.
Right now dropships just hover a little above 150m n rain down shots..
Small missiles have a much shorter effective range than swarms (at least on ADSs, which I assume the complaint is about). ADSs can only really engage within 80m or so max, after that, a lot of factors kick in making it difficult or dangerous to fight (missile flight time, rendering, small adjustments making larger changes, etc.).
The only time I've been able to get kills farther than 125m (still 25m short of max swarm range) was when I knew where a lot of enemies were close together and not moving (like on the orange pipe map right next to the tower). At that point I'm just taking pot shots hoping something hits. (Also, damage is halved between 150-200m).
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CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.30 15:39:00 -
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.. .This is still a slow and shocking issue to me. I think CCP sees this problem as I do, so I have some comfort in that feeling----the reduction of lock-on range in the Swarm Launcher was the right thing to do.
Two nights ago, I joined an FW match. One (just one) red-team Assault-DS flew clear over to our MCC area. The DS had zero passengers, clearly hadn't invested enough SP to make its chin-gun very powerful yet, and could only kill a random footsoldier now and then. BUT, SIX of our team dropped their cookies, pulled S-Launchers and PCs from the Supply Depot, manned the puny Missile Installation, and wasted a year of ammo trying to "score a vehicle kill".
I wish I was that DS-driver! Good for him! While six from our team sat in the staging area shooting at him, the rest of HIS red team hiked through the map and turned EVERY panel red. That DS-driver won the match for his team, possibly without even knowing it.
...All because gameplayers can't stop being ADDICTED to the fever to "kill a dropship". Drop your pants just to kill this empty, mostly-harmless, traffic-n-weather-together News-helicopter. I was about to shoot/melee the blue players to get them to hold their fire... but this was FW, and I know I'd be kicked from the match before I could kick enough sense into THEM.
I think CCP sees that bizarre addiction too, and nerfin the S-Launcher is their way of weening you OFF the DS-hunt behavior, without nerfing your ability to help us deal with HAV-threats, etc.
Don't misunderstand me--my point of view is really way beyond "the far-away Dropship".
Regardless of how a PLAYER wants to use some of these weapons, the concept of "Anti-Vehicle" in New Eden warfare is designed to mean "push that vehicle-threat outta here---kill her if she's stubborn enough to stand there flipping you the middle-finger, but above all PUSH her out of the firefight!" ... and it's a concept that really has to be tightly maintained.
I may not always agree with that definition. And other players may define A/V as "I blow up mechs and air machines--try to beat my personal best today!"...but that's not what the A/V gear is "tech"ed out to accomplish in Dust combat, and if you got into 'the A/V Role' to slaughter vehicles the way we slaughter a merc with a gun, you got into the role without knowing the true job.
The reduction in the lock-on range in the Swarm Launcher was the right thing to do...
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duster 35000
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Posted - 2015.10.30 15:46:00 -
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fyi, all decent players have swarms on thier commandos
even with a hardener at 3k hardener an incubus has to run after the first shot, no time to fight back
I can't wait to first tanks
We'll bang ok?
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Cesar Geronimo
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.10.30 16:14:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:I just don't understand why damage wasn't lowered. It craps out 12 missiles in less than 7 seconds which can do upwards of 1200 damage with each volley, even more with dmg mods, proficiency and the warbarge thing.
The amount of damage is what should be dealt with, not lock range or distance it can travel.
Which pretty much means nothing to a halfway competent dropship pilot... And even the bad dropship pilots who don't know how to evade at least know how to stack modules... |
Bremen van Equis
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.10.30 16:40:00 -
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Moochie Cricket wrote:Missiles have a 200m range, but anything outside of 75m usually doesn't render.
Yup...you said it. Swarmers can't lock on past range where pilots can't see their targets. Seems pretty balanced now. I'm still getting taken out by swarms, but at least I can see who's firing them now!
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.10.30 16:53:00 -
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We should be able to shoot what's shooting us. If derpship can reavh you with a turret, we should be able to shoot it as well. Same for tankers. I'm not even talking about full damage, but at least being able to lock.
There should be falloff damage to swarms as well.
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.30 18:46:00 -
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Cesar Geronimo wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:I just don't understand why damage wasn't lowered. It craps out 12 missiles in less than 7 seconds which can do upwards of 1200 damage with each volley, even more with dmg mods, proficiency and the warbarge thing.
The amount of damage is what should be dealt with, not lock range or distance it can travel. Which pretty much means nothing to a halfway competent dropship pilot... And even the bad dropship pilots who don't know how to evade at least know how to stack modules...
I'm sorry, what has that got to do with it? I just suggested a way to make swarms balanced, so dropships don't get instablapped and swarms aren't useless. Dropships in general have to either fit tank or reps cos fitting them is a nightmare.
Swarms have always done too much damage, I've used them long enough to know that, and at to far a range. They shouldn't have both so pick one.
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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
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Posted - 2015.10.30 19:15:00 -
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Mr Leader wrote:It's been nerfed as low as it can go. It needs a serious lock on range buff.
how about this
they buff swarm range
bring back closed beta swarm zoom
add a tiny laser painter
and make every scrub who uses the gun have to keep target painted for the missiles to track
oh no never mind cant do that then you would have to aim the gun
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duster 35000
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Posted - 2015.10.30 19:16:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Cesar Geronimo wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:I just don't understand why damage wasn't lowered. It craps out 12 missiles in less than 7 seconds which can do upwards of 1200 damage with each volley, even more with dmg mods, proficiency and the warbarge thing.
The amount of damage is what should be dealt with, not lock range or distance it can travel. Which pretty much means nothing to a halfway competent dropship pilot... And even the bad dropship pilots who don't know how to evade at least know how to stack modules... I'm sorry, what has that got to do with it? I just suggested a way to make swarms balanced, so dropships don't get instablapped and swarms aren't useless. Dropships in general have to either fit tank or reps cos fitting them is a nightmare. Swarms have always done too much damage, I've used them long enough to know that, and at to far a range. They shouldn't have both so pick one.
dropships should just get passive DR like logi vehicles did
I can't wait to first tanks
We'll bang ok?
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.30 19:55:00 -
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Dr? I'm unfamiliar with the term.
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Thaddeus Reynolds
Facepunch Security
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Posted - 2015.10.30 20:09:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Dr? I'm unfamiliar with the term.
Damage Reduction...so in reference to the resistance bonus(es)
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JudgeIsABadPilot
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.10.30 20:20:00 -
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Mr Leader wrote:250m would be reasonable I suppose. This definitely needs to get looked at again because right now it's pitiful and tankers and drop ships know how to stay just out of range and assault me and blueberries. Forge guns are the only thing that makes sense now and that's not the way it's supposed to be.
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.30 20:24:00 -
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Thaddeus Reynolds wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Dr? I'm unfamiliar with the term. Damage Reduction...so in reference to the resistance bonus(es)
Oh yeah. I remember that. That could actually work.
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Nothing Certain
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.30 22:32:00 -
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I think they should increase the range back where it was but have damage fall off with distance. When I fly a dropship, swarms seem to be fair to play against close up but when you fly away 390 meters and they still hit you so hard it just isn't right.
Because, that's why.
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.10.30 22:36:00 -
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duster 35000 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Cesar Geronimo wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:I just don't understand why damage wasn't lowered. It craps out 12 missiles in less than 7 seconds which can do upwards of 1200 damage with each volley, even more with dmg mods, proficiency and the warbarge thing.
The amount of damage is what should be dealt with, not lock range or distance it can travel. Which pretty much means nothing to a halfway competent dropship pilot... And even the bad dropship pilots who don't know how to evade at least know how to stack modules... I'm sorry, what has that got to do with it? I just suggested a way to make swarms balanced, so dropships don't get instablapped and swarms aren't useless. Dropships in general have to either fit tank or reps cos fitting them is a nightmare. Swarms have always done too much damage, I've used them long enough to know that, and at to far a range. They shouldn't have both so pick one. dropships should just get passive DR like logi vehicles did
Helvete NO!!
No reasson to do that!!
If so i want really BIG reduction to all vehicle hardeners.
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Forge syndicalist of Corrosive Synergy
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DAAAA BEAST
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.10.30 22:36:00 -
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Why would we need a buff to the most easy to use weapon ... you don't even have to aim !
People crying over this is ridiculous. If nothing , forge guns should get a range buff.
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.10.30 22:42:00 -
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DAAAA BEAST wrote:Why would we need a buff to the most easy to use weapon ... you don't even have to aim !
People crying over this is ridiculous. If nothing , forge guns should get a range buff.
Defo if not reduction to charge should be great too ;p
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